Union to urge rejection of pay deal (From Daily Echo)

Yikes, I wish the DE would stop using that stock picture of those ugly mugs.

Shoong wrote:
Yikes, I wish the DE would stop using that stock picture of those ugly mugs.

Would you prefer one of Royston Smith?

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Yikes, I wish the DE would stop using that stock picture of those ugly mugs.

Would you prefer one of Royston Smith?

No, but I suppose the picture does show what kind of person militancy attracts.

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Yikes, I wish the DE would stop using that stock picture of those ugly mugs.

Would you prefer one of Royston Smith?

No, but I suppose the picture does show what kind of person militancy attracts.

If you are suggesting that picture of a person or persons proves the type of people any organisation attracts, then going by the picture of Smith the Conservative Party has to be the magnet for mindless morons the Skinheads.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Yikes, I wish the DE would stop using that stock picture of those ugly mugs.

Would you prefer one of Royston Smith?

No, but I suppose the picture does show what kind of person militancy attracts.

If you are suggesting that picture of a person or persons proves the type of people any organisation attracts, then going by the picture of Smith the Conservative Party has to be the magnet for mindless morons the Skinheads.

Let's assume this is a poor attempt at humour & ignore it.

Is not about time that the workers started to face up to the fact that everyone is in the same boat. Enough is enough we all just want some normality back in regards to our rubish being collected on the correct day of the week. It seems we are paying for a service that is non exsisting!!!

I hope this drags on until May. By that time the Millionaire will be in charge and he's already said 1,500 people will have to go.

Regents Parky wrote:
Is not about time that the workers started to face up to the fact that everyone is in the same boat. Enough is enough we all just want some normality back in regards to our rubish being collected on the correct day of the week. It seems we are paying for a service that is non exsisting!!!

When super rich who may be taking home in a week more than some workers could only dream of earning after whole year’s hard work, and to add insult to injury first group gets over 49% pay rise and the second is asked to accept pay cuts; how can we all be in the same boat?

Condor Man wrote:
I hope this drags on until May. By that time the Millionaire will be in charge and he's already said 1,500 people will have to go.

Condor Man, good news for you is that there is real possibility that your dream of closet Conservative Williams becoming the Leader of the Council may actually become a reality
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Because at a public meeting Monday evening your favourite character Mike Tucker announced that he and his union will be supporting NuLabour in May elections. He also went on to say that he himself prefers Williams
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Tucker sabotaging socialism may be a bad news for some of us who believe in good old Labour’s socialist values, but it has got to be music to your Tory ears. Because only faces may change but Thatcherite policies will remain safe into Williams led Conservatised NuLabour hands
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Only slightly bad news for you could be that grass root members of the unions and the voters may actually have better sense than Tucker, (who appears to be a strange kind of turkey that could be looking forward to Christmas), so may actually opt to vote for those candidates who are genuinely opposed to all cuts

Regents Parky wrote:
Is not about time that the workers started to face up to the fact that everyone is in the same boat. Enough is enough we all just want some normality back in regards to our rubish being collected on the correct day of the week. It seems we are paying for a service that is non exsisting!!!

It would appear that you believe Cameron's claim about 'The Big Society' and 'We are all in this together.'

What the majority of us are in is brown and smelly, and a minority are in the brown and aromatic.

The majority are in the effluent while the minority continue to be on the gravy train.

Guess which group Cameron and his banker friends are in.

Is it just me or does the one in the bottom left look like he's just sat on a placard?

The reason we are in the mire is down to overspending - in other words, spending money we didn't have.
The last government was out of control on spending and saddled us with a massive debt that had NOTHING to do with the global financial crisis!(Yes, there is additional debt from bailing out the banks but it is only about 8% of the total debt)
Add to it the gross overspending by we, joe public, who managed to rack up TRILLIONS of Pounds of personal debt and you can see why we are in the proverbial whatsit!
Just be thankful we are not Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy or France - all of whom are a lot worse off than us!
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Only one thing matters to us at the moment, our Triple A Rating.
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With regard to this Southampton dispute, the Unions are a bunch of numpties. We have to cut costs and the quickest way to do that is to cut labour costs - that's how it works - there is no other sensible way! Ask any businessman.
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It's now up to the government to encourage new jobs and for businesses, especially small businesses, to create new jobs. There is no simple solution - austerity for a few more years yet.

Come on LH let's have one of your brilliant 500 word diatribes to explain the stupidity of the Unions and their lost cause, I will back you all the way, this is going on far too long.

Osprey, Look at the above article. I the unions hadn't agreed to drop legal action why hasn't Unison come out & said the same as Unite?
I can't see for the life of me how one can put this forward without commenting leaving it to their members which I will have to say I think is the right way to do it.
But then the smaller union has gone back on the agreement & is doing it's best to scupper the whole deal & I was already sceptical about the unions motives in this dispute but now I'm dead sure it's totally political by Unite.OH! Osprey had another e-mail from Human Resources telling me the first one was wrong & they're still processing the applicants so I still don't know where the hell I stand on an interview.Oh! good win last night wasn't it?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Regents Parky wrote: Is not about time that the workers started to face up to the fact that everyone is in the same boat. Enough is enough we all just want some normality back in regards to our rubish being collected on the correct day of the week. It seems we are paying for a service that is non exsisting!!!

When super rich who may be taking home in a week more than some workers could only dream of earning after whole year’s hard work, and to add insult to injury first group gets over 49% pay rise and the second is asked to accept pay cuts; how can we all be in the same boat?

If your concern lies with the super rich what's stopping you picking up my rubbish? I'm not rich, I also don't have a final salary pension nor have I had a payrise in the last 3 years. If you want to get back at the people who aren't in the same boat as you stop picking up litter from posh houses and get on with collecting ours *sigh*.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Regents Parky wrote: Is not about time that the workers started to face up to the fact that everyone is in the same boat. Enough is enough we all just want some normality back in regards to our rubish being collected on the correct day of the week. It seems we are paying for a service that is non exsisting!!!

When super rich who may be taking home in a week more than some workers could only dream of earning after whole year’s hard work, and to add insult to injury first group gets over 49% pay rise and the second is asked to accept pay cuts; how can we all be in the same boat?

If your concern lies with the super rich what's stopping you picking up my rubbish? I'm not rich, I also don't have a final salary pension nor have I had a payrise in the last 3 years. If you want to get back at the people who aren't in the same boat as you stop picking up litter from posh houses and get on with collecting ours *sigh*.

Niclew wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Regents Parky wrote: Is not about time that the workers started to face up to the fact that everyone is in the same boat. Enough is enough we all just want some normality back in regards to our rubish being collected on the correct day of the week. It seems we are paying for a service that is non exsisting!!!

When super rich who may be taking home in a week more than some workers could only dream of earning after whole year’s hard work, and to add insult to injury first group gets over 49% pay rise and the second is asked to accept pay cuts; how can we all be in the same boat?

If your concern lies with the super rich what's stopping you picking up my rubbish? I'm not rich, I also don't have a final salary pension nor have I had a payrise in the last 3 years. If you want to get back at the people who aren't in the same boat as you stop picking up litter from posh houses and get on with collecting ours *sigh*.

Why should I pick your rubbish?
I am not your dustman, the workers who should be doing this job have been left with no choice but to take industrial action by your beloved local Council, which seems to have sufficient money to waste on Cllr. Hannidies ‘Horror House’ but not enough to pay to these workers
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Also as lifelong trade unionist, I have every right to express solidarity with unionised workers, and have no intention of scabbing upon them
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May I ask you what is stopping you from producing less rubbish, and either take what little is left to recycling centre yourself, or get somebody from Cameron’s so called ‘Big Society’ to do it for you, instead of demanding that I an old man should do it for you? Or is this your shameless ‘Big Society’s’ value to demand that we the old people should serve your kind of stuck ups and sad snobs like slaves? If I was your dad or grand dad, I would be thoroughly disgusted with your most shameful demand from an old man.

Barmy, sorry I can't spell your name, but you say the workers have been left no choice but to Take Industrial Action???

Please tell me, are they being threatened by the Union bosses? Of course they have a choice. Bin Men have surely been lifted out of the pay cuts OR they are being over paid.

Wake me up when this is all over as it's getting very boring now. I feel for those EXTRA workers who will have no job in order to make the Union fat cats happy. Only another 1000 job losses to come if Unions get their way.........

IronLady2010 wrote:
Barmy, sorry I can't spell your name, but you say the workers have been left no choice but to Take Industrial Action???

Please tell me, are they being threatened by the Union bosses? Of course they have a choice. Bin Men have surely been lifted out of the pay cuts OR they are being over paid.

Wake me up when this is all over as it's getting very boring now. I feel for those EXTRA workers who will have no job in order to make the Union fat cats happy. Only another 1000 job losses to come if Unions get their way.........

Iron Lady, I am not surprised about your lack of ability to even copy somebody’s name from the screen right under your stuck up snobbish Tory trunk
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If that kind of ability reflects throughout the self confessed ‘Nasty Party’ of you which appear to be the mouth piece for on this site, it is hardly surprising under their control Southampton Council can’t negotiate a reasonable agreement with its workforce
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Iron Lady, we are aware that the other woman who was also known by similar name has started to become the victim of some serious health problems, but I wonder if you too have started to lose your marbles (That is if in your case there were any in the very first place!)
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You have got to be hallucinating to believe that what you describe as union bosses (which in fact do not exist apart from in your thick Tory head, because all the union officials are democratically elected by their members who elect officials not bosses, which may be Tory tradition) could threaten the grass root membership
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Are you suffering from memory loss of convenience, for overlooking the fact that trade unions in Britain operate under some of the tightest laws introduced during your own Maggie Thatcher’s time? Or are you suggesting that she was so stupid that she left the loopholes in laws that may allow what you call “union bosses’ get away with threatening their members?
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I suggest you pour yourself a drink and tune into BBC2, and watch 'Secret Pakistan' to find out how your darlings in government are wasting our money by giving to a country, which is in fact damaging British interests and proving to be danger to the lives of our brave men and women in Afghanistan, sent there by HM's Government. If possible try to think why the same government can’t use that wasted wealth in helping the local councils meet their bills?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Barmy, sorry I can't spell your name, but you say the workers have been left no choice but to Take Industrial Action???

Please tell me, are they being threatened by the Union bosses? Of course they have a choice. Bin Men have surely been lifted out of the pay cuts OR they are being over paid.

Wake me up when this is all over as it's getting very boring now. I feel for those EXTRA workers who will have no job in order to make the Union fat cats happy. Only another 1000 job losses to come if Unions get their way.........

Iron Lady, I am not surprised about your lack of ability to even copy somebody’s name from the screen right under your stuck up snobbish Tory trunk
.
If that kind of ability reflects throughout the self confessed ‘Nasty Party’ of you which appear to be the mouth piece for on this site, it is hardly surprising under their control Southampton Council can’t negotiate a reasonable agreement with its workforce
.
Iron Lady, we are aware that the other woman who was also known by similar name has started to become the victim of some serious health problems, but I wonder if you too have started to lose your marbles (That is if in your case there were any in the very first place!)
.
You have got to be hallucinating to believe that what you describe as union bosses (which in fact do not exist apart from in your thick Tory head, because all the union officials are democratically elected by their members who elect officials not bosses, which may be Tory tradition) could threaten the grass root membership
.
Are you suffering from memory loss of convenience, for overlooking the fact that trade unions in Britain operate under some of the tightest laws introduced during your own Maggie Thatcher’s time? Or are you suggesting that she was so stupid that she left the loopholes in laws that may allow what you call “union bosses’ get away with threatening their members?
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I suggest you pour yourself a drink and tune into BBC2, and watch 'Secret Pakistan' to find out how your darlings in government are wasting our money by giving to a country, which is in fact damaging British interests and proving to be danger to the lives of our brave men and women in Afghanistan, sent there by HM's Government. If possible try to think why the same government can’t use that wasted wealth in helping the local councils meet their bills?

Paramjit have you not read any of Ironlady's previous posts?
she quite clearly states she has not voted tory but will do in the May elections so saying she has a stuck up Tory trunk shows exactly what a bigot you are.
she may come from Ocean Village but surely if she & her husband want to put their money into living in an area that's their right.
you go on about the government putting money into Pakistan? how many Pakistani's would like to get hold of you right now? how is this any different to the monies we plough into India? surely all that money should be stopped as India aren't exactly poor are they?
Let's get to the subject of the article.one union hasn't said the councils made it all up & even though they can't recommend it as they had hoped for more they have done the honourable thing & left it to their members which i salute.
then we have the smaller union Unite coming away from a meeting with the council & unison saying vote against it,we didn't agree with any of it.funny Unison never said that so exactly what meeting did Unite attend?
Was it with Southy & the rest of the TUSC ? because quite clearly it wasn't the same meeting Unison attended or they would be saying the same thing & no agreement would have taken place & maybe those bin men & council workers who continue strike action could have ended up looking for work as the council has 685 names for 16 jobs so nows the time for the unions to settle or put all their members future at risk

loosehead wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Barmy, sorry I can't spell your name, but you say the workers have been left no choice but to Take Industrial Action???

Please tell me, are they being threatened by the Union bosses? Of course they have a choice. Bin Men have surely been lifted out of the pay cuts OR they are being over paid.

Wake me up when this is all over as it's getting very boring now. I feel for those EXTRA workers who will have no job in order to make the Union fat cats happy. Only another 1000 job losses to come if Unions get their way.........

Iron Lady, I am not surprised about your lack of ability to even copy somebody’s name from the screen right under your stuck up snobbish Tory trunk
.
If that kind of ability reflects throughout the self confessed ‘Nasty Party’ of you which appear to be the mouth piece for on this site, it is hardly surprising under their control Southampton Council can’t negotiate a reasonable agreement with its workforce
.
Iron Lady, we are aware that the other woman who was also known by similar name has started to become the victim of some serious health problems, but I wonder if you too have started to lose your marbles (That is if in your case there were any in the very first place!)
.
You have got to be hallucinating to believe that what you describe as union bosses (which in fact do not exist apart from in your thick Tory head, because all the union officials are democratically elected by their members who elect officials not bosses, which may be Tory tradition) could threaten the grass root membership
.
Are you suffering from memory loss of convenience, for overlooking the fact that trade unions in Britain operate under some of the tightest laws introduced during your own Maggie Thatcher’s time? Or are you suggesting that she was so stupid that she left the loopholes in laws that may allow what you call “union bosses’ get away with threatening their members?
.
I suggest you pour yourself a drink and tune into BBC2, and watch 'Secret Pakistan' to find out how your darlings in government are wasting our money by giving to a country, which is in fact damaging British interests and proving to be danger to the lives of our brave men and women in Afghanistan, sent there by HM's Government. If possible try to think why the same government can’t use that wasted wealth in helping the local councils meet their bills?

Paramjit have you not read any of Ironlady's previous posts?
she quite clearly states she has not voted tory but will do in the May elections so saying she has a stuck up Tory trunk shows exactly what a bigot you are.
she may come from Ocean Village but surely if she & her husband want to put their money into living in an area that's their right.
you go on about the government putting money into Pakistan? how many Pakistani's would like to get hold of you right now? how is this any different to the monies we plough into India? surely all that money should be stopped as India aren't exactly poor are they?
Let's get to the subject of the article.one union hasn't said the councils made it all up & even though they can't recommend it as they had hoped for more they have done the honourable thing & left it to their members which i salute.
then we have the smaller union Unite coming away from a meeting with the council & unison saying vote against it,we didn't agree with any of it.funny Unison never said that so exactly what meeting did Unite attend?
Was it with Southy & the rest of the TUSC ? because quite clearly it wasn't the same meeting Unison attended or they would be saying the same thing & no agreement would have taken place & maybe those bin men & council workers who continue strike action could have ended up looking for work as the council has 685 names for 16 jobs so nows the time for the unions to settle or put all their members future at risk

That's my boy, well done.

loosehead wrote:
Osprey, Look at the above article. I the unions hadn't agreed to drop legal action why hasn't Unison come out & said the same as Unite?
I can't see for the life of me how one can put this forward without commenting leaving it to their members which I will have to say I think is the right way to do it.
But then the smaller union has gone back on the agreement & is doing it's best to scupper the whole deal & I was already sceptical about the unions motives in this dispute but now I'm dead sure it's totally political by Unite.OH! Osprey had another e-mail from Human Resources telling me the first one was wrong & they're still processing the applicants so I still don't know where the hell I stand on an interview.Oh! good win last night wasn't it?

Yes indeed, but it was a bit shaky when Posh got their breakaway goal! Best of luck with the job, hope it works out in the end. One Union seems to be trying to bring Unionism into disrepute, I am rather anxious that this little dispute is going to get lost in a Nationwide action, the Government seem to be getting the message about their Pension plans muddled, that doesn't bode well for future negotiations. Silliband isn't helping either.

George4th wrote:
The reason we are in the mire is down to overspending - in other words, spending money we didn't have. The last government was out of control on spending and saddled us with a massive debt that had NOTHING to do with the global financial crisis!(Yes, there is additional debt from bailing out the banks but it is only about 8% of the total debt) Add to it the gross overspending by we, joe public, who managed to rack up TRILLIONS of Pounds of personal debt and you can see why we are in the proverbial whatsit! Just be thankful we are not Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy or France - all of whom are a lot worse off than us! > Only one thing matters to us at the moment, our Triple A Rating. > With regard to this Southampton dispute, the Unions are a bunch of numpties. We have to cut costs and the quickest way to do that is to cut labour costs - that's how it works - there is no other sensible way! Ask any businessman. > It's now up to the government to encourage new jobs and for businesses, especially small businesses, to create new jobs. There is no simple solution - austerity for a few more years yet.

Where did you get that 'knowledge' from? a cereal box?

The quickest way to cut costs may be to cut labour and frontline staff, but that is also the quickest ways to reduce standards of service! It also pushes more families to the 'bread line', with more entering into JSA that means more public money has to be used to prop up the benefit system - which is one true criplling entity to the UK econemy!

The Rising Phoenix wrote:

George4th wrote:
The reason we are in the mire is down to overspending - in other words, spending money we didn't have. The last government was out of control on spending and saddled us with a massive debt that had NOTHING to do with the global financial crisis!(Yes, there is additional debt from bailing out the banks but it is only about 8% of the total debt) Add to it the gross overspending by we, joe public, who managed to rack up TRILLIONS of Pounds of personal debt and you can see why we are in the proverbial whatsit! Just be thankful we are not Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy or France - all of whom are a lot worse off than us! > Only one thing matters to us at the moment, our Triple A Rating. > With regard to this Southampton dispute, the Unions are a bunch of numpties. We have to cut costs and the quickest way to do that is to cut labour costs - that's how it works - there is no other sensible way! Ask any businessman. > It's now up to the government to encourage new jobs and for businesses, especially small businesses, to create new jobs. There is no simple solution - austerity for a few more years yet.

Where did you get that 'knowledge' from? a cereal box?

The quickest way to cut costs may be to cut labour and frontline staff, but that is also the quickest ways to reduce standards of service! It also pushes more families to the 'bread line', with more entering into JSA that means more public money has to be used to prop up the benefit system - which is one true criplling entity to the UK econemy!

But phoenix the council has stated from the very beginning that the pay cuts & pay freeze would mean a lot less people being made redundant than would be necessary if these cuts weren't implemented.
Yet you have been very anti council in your previous posts yet your above post seems to say they are doing the right thing compared to the Labour party who want to get rid of 700 more people.
No matter what your political affiliations are,you have a group of the workforce who did job & finish some of these were going to take a pay cut but most were going to get a pay rise,with overtime the actual loss of pay could have quite easily been made up.this would have lead to a bare minimum of redundancies yet it was with the unions blessing ( manipulating) rejected.
so they offered a newer deal where 99% of bin men/drivers ,sweepers & toll collectors would have taken no cut but yet again the unions said reject it but then changed their minds & said accept only for the workers to vote against it.
Now if Unite has gone a joint agreement with Unison made with the council hoping they win the court cases & to drag this into the national dispute what are the workers going to do if they lose the cases?
Once it's been proven in court the council have acted legally the excuse for industrial action will no longer be valid ( letters of the sack) so if the workers continue to work normally & not on a go slow ( pretend work to rule) they would secure their jobs but if they continue with industrial action they can be deemed as breaking the law & can be replaced with the 685 applicants for the bin jobs so do they wish to continue to partake in political action or do they want a job?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Niclew wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Regents Parky wrote: Is not about time that the workers started to face up to the fact that everyone is in the same boat. Enough is enough we all just want some normality back in regards to our rubish being collected on the correct day of the week. It seems we are paying for a service that is non exsisting!!!

When super rich who may be taking home in a week more than some workers could only dream of earning after whole year’s hard work, and to add insult to injury first group gets over 49% pay rise and the second is asked to accept pay cuts; how can we all be in the same boat?

If your concern lies with the super rich what's stopping you picking up my rubbish? I'm not rich, I also don't have a final salary pension nor have I had a payrise in the last 3 years. If you want to get back at the people who aren't in the same boat as you stop picking up litter from posh houses and get on with collecting ours *sigh*.

Why should I pick your rubbish? I am not your dustman, the workers who should be doing this job have been left with no choice but to take industrial action by your beloved local Council, which seems to have sufficient money to waste on Cllr. Hannidies ‘Horror House’ but not enough to pay to these workers . Also as lifelong trade unionist, I have every right to express solidarity with unionised workers, and have no intention of scabbing upon them . May I ask you what is stopping you from producing less rubbish, and either take what little is left to recycling centre yourself, or get somebody from Cameron’s so called ‘Big Society’ to do it for you, instead of demanding that I an old man should do it for you? Or is this your shameless ‘Big Society’s’ value to demand that we the old people should serve your kind of stuck ups and sad snobs like slaves? If I was your dad or grand dad, I would be thoroughly disgusted with your most shameful demand from an old man.

Oh my!
Come on everyone lets have a competition where our parents can be "thoroughly disgusted" with us for not being able to guess the age and occupation of "trolls" on the internet. What a great game!

LH quote : "Once it's been proven in court the council have acted legally" Is that certain? You put a lot of faith in the fact that the Council are in the right, but what if their legal eagles have got it wrong?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LH quote : "Once it's been proven in court the council have acted legally" Is that certain? You put a lot of faith in the fact that the Council are in the right, but what if their legal eagles have got it wrong?

Osprey if it's proven the council were in the wrong I would put my hands up.but on here you've read the letter from the union to it's members that Ironlady posted & in that letter they quite clearly stated they knew way before the 90 days & as that's what the actions about I can't see where the council were lying?
Now clearly if these unions print the truth & tell their members the truth they shouldn't have made them believe they can win legal battles on a lie should they?
Did you hear the union guy make the statement about keeping the battle going until they have a Labour council that Aldermore boy & others heard?
If this is so does this make your believe that this dispute is about an illegal act wane & maybe you are starting to see what I & others have been saying is true & that this is all about the unions wanting to oust a tory council so it's been about politics all along 7 never been about their members . please osprey if I'm wrong & the courts prove this I will admit to it can you admit to seeing a flaw in the legality of the unions actions?

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LH quote : "Once it's been proven in court the council have acted legally" Is that certain? You put a lot of faith in the fact that the Council are in the right, but what if their legal eagles have got it wrong?

Osprey if it's proven the council were in the wrong I would put my hands up.but on here you've read the letter from the union to it's members that Ironlady posted & in that letter they quite clearly stated they knew way before the 90 days & as that's what the actions about I can't see where the council were lying?
Now clearly if these unions print the truth & tell their members the truth they shouldn't have made them believe they can win legal battles on a lie should they?
Did you hear the union guy make the statement about keeping the battle going until they have a Labour council that Aldermore boy & others heard?
If this is so does this make your believe that this dispute is about an illegal act wane & maybe you are starting to see what I & others have been saying is true & that this is all about the unions wanting to oust a tory council so it's been about politics all along 7 never been about their members . please osprey if I'm wrong & the courts prove this I will admit to it can you admit to seeing a flaw in the legality of the unions actions?

Wait and see.