Anthony Marsh guilty of murdering Stephanie Bellinger and baby Lili in Totton

Anthony Marsh and Stephanie Bellinger

Stephanie Bellinger and baby Lili.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Digital Editor

A MAN has been found guilty of brutally murdering his girlfriend and their baby daughter.

Anthony Marsh was today found guilty of the murders of Stephanie Bellinger and baby Lili at the family home in Totton in February this year.

He began his frenzied attack as the mother and baby slept.

Stephanie had been "wounded, stabbed or cut repeatedly" over 30 times to the head, neck, back and chest and had woken screaming when the attack had began and tried to defend herself.

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Lili had been stabbed once in the head but also had bruising to her face. Marsh said he had attempted to strangle her, suffocate her and stood on her with both feet.

Marsh, who was 21 at the time, then took a shower before he fled the house in the middle of the night, leaving their two-year-old son locked inside "alive and unharmed".

It was at least 30 hours before the murders were discovered by Stephanie's mother Elizabeth, and sister Ruth.

They had gone to the house, worried that they could not reach Stephanie by phone, and seen the little boy through the letterbox who began shouting "nana, nana".

When they shouted to him and asked him where his mum was, he told them she and Lili were sleeping, jurors heard.

A neighbour then helped them break into the semidetached house, using a hammer to smash a glass pane in the porch door.

The women ran upstairs where they found Stephanie's partly naked body, with the knife still in her from the final wound Marsh inflicted. Next to her was Lili's body, covered by a duvet. Marsh's bloody handprint was on the wall and a book entitled How to Lose a Husband and Gain a Life was lying on the pillow.

Marsh was arrested three days later in Fareham town centre, after walking there from Totton.

While he admitted the killings, Marsh had claimed 'voices' in his head had made him commit the terrible crimes. As a result, he denied murder.

The court was told that Marsh claims he was suffering from an abnormality that comes from psychosis which "substantially impaired his responsibility".

However, the jury today decided that Marsh was guilty of the murders.

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4:31pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Ozmosis says...

Let's hope the bloke is either sectioned or locked up indefinitely.... for everyone's sake. Sympathies to the family - I can only imagine how hard the trial must have been for them
Let's hope the bloke is either sectioned or locked up indefinitely.... for everyone's sake. Sympathies to the family - I can only imagine how hard the trial must have been for them Ozmosis
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4:51pm Tue 30 Nov 10

flower49 says...

Ozmosis wrote:
Let's hope the bloke is either sectioned or locked up indefinitely.... for everyone's sake. Sympathies to the family - I can only imagine how hard the trial must have been for them
I agree with the above comments, the trial must have been so horrendous, I found the Echo journalist to be very graphic in the describing of the killings, it made me feel sick, god only knows what lifelong effects this will have on so many family and friends of these two lives taken so young by what one can only describe a madman.
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: Let's hope the bloke is either sectioned or locked up indefinitely.... for everyone's sake. Sympathies to the family - I can only imagine how hard the trial must have been for them[/p][/quote]I agree with the above comments, the trial must have been so horrendous, I found the Echo journalist to be very graphic in the describing of the killings, it made me feel sick, god only knows what lifelong effects this will have on so many family and friends of these two lives taken so young by what one can only describe a madman. flower49
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5:05pm Tue 30 Nov 10

menotyou says...

so heartbreaking! deepest condolences to the family. xxx
so heartbreaking! deepest condolences to the family. xxx menotyou
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5:13pm Tue 30 Nov 10

hythe knights says...

Death penalty is deserved.
Death penalty is deserved. hythe knights
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5:18pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Bronson69 says...

EwRot in hell you gutless pri@k.
With a bit of luck he will receive what he deserves once inside . A slow and painful death preferably ( not too long though ,wouldnt want to waste tax payers money)
EwRot in hell you gutless pri@k. With a bit of luck he will receive what he deserves once inside . A slow and painful death preferably ( not too long though ,wouldnt want to waste tax payers money) Bronson69
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5:34pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Stupideditor says...

hythe knights wrote:
Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty

key-word cold-kind
[quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind Stupideditor
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7:31pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Hannibal Lecture says...

Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote:
Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty

key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
[quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"? Hannibal Lecture
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8:13pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Atpost says...

Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
[quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true Atpost
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8:21pm Tue 30 Nov 10

forest hump says...

Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
[quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED! forest hump
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8:23pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Atpost says...

forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
But WHAT american system is that?
Is the significance of the question really lost on you?
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you? Atpost
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8:44pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Karenrstevens says...

My thoughts are with the family and friends such a sad story and so young,lets hope its a decent sentance
My thoughts are with the family and friends such a sad story and so young,lets hope its a decent sentance Karenrstevens
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8:49pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Hannibal Lecture says...

forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
You could not be more wrong. You could try, but you would not be successful. "America" has no such policy whatsoever. Prove me wrong. Actual evidence, please, not just what you believe because you saw Dead Man Walking
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]You could not be more wrong. You could try, but you would not be successful. "America" has no such policy whatsoever. Prove me wrong. Actual evidence, please, not just what you believe because you saw Dead Man Walking Hannibal Lecture
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8:50pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Hannibal Lecture says...

Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
Indeed - and I thought it was just an ironic nicname
[quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]Indeed - and I thought it was just an ironic nicname Hannibal Lecture
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9:05pm Tue 30 Nov 10

forest hump says...

Atpost wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?
No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that!
[quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?[/p][/quote]No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that! forest hump
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9:17pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Hannibal Lecture says...

forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?
No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that!
That's not what you said initially, though. Not even remotely.

You said "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!"

It is nothing like that. In states that have the death penalty, you MAY receive it. And it may even eventually be enforced. But that's not a quick process, it takes years, often decades, to happen, all at the expense of - survey says! - The Taxpayer™.

So:

This system is state-dependent, it is not "the American system".
Where capital punishment exists, it is not automatic. The taking of a life does not necessarily - nor even usually - lead to a death sentence. In some circumstances, it may happen, but actually, most of the time, it doesn't.
It is far from a simple process, with layers of appeals that take enormous amounts of time.
The process can take longer than a life sentence, at a cost to the taxpayer.

Seems that NOT ONE PART of your claim is actually true. At all.

You must be pretty dumb, too, not to have spotted that this fabled system hasn't actually done much to deter murderers in America.

QED, as you put it
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?[/p][/quote]No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that![/p][/quote]That's not what you said initially, though. Not even remotely. You said "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!" It is nothing like that. In states that have the death penalty, you MAY receive it. And it may even eventually be enforced. But that's not a quick process, it takes years, often decades, to happen, all at the expense of - survey says! - The Taxpayer™. So: This system is state-dependent, it is not "the American system". Where capital punishment exists, it is not automatic. The taking of a life does not necessarily - nor even usually - lead to a death sentence. In some circumstances, it may happen, but actually, most of the time, it doesn't. It is far from a simple process, with layers of appeals that take enormous amounts of time. The process can take longer than a life sentence, at a cost to the taxpayer. Seems that NOT ONE PART of your claim is actually true. At all. You must be pretty dumb, too, not to have spotted that this fabled system hasn't actually done much to deter murderers in America. QED, as you put it Hannibal Lecture
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9:27pm Tue 30 Nov 10

forest hump says...

Hannibal Lecture wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?
No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that!
That's not what you said initially, though. Not even remotely. You said "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!" It is nothing like that. In states that have the death penalty, you MAY receive it. And it may even eventually be enforced. But that's not a quick process, it takes years, often decades, to happen, all at the expense of - survey says! - The Taxpayer™. So: This system is state-dependent, it is not "the American system". Where capital punishment exists, it is not automatic. The taking of a life does not necessarily - nor even usually - lead to a death sentence. In some circumstances, it may happen, but actually, most of the time, it doesn't. It is far from a simple process, with layers of appeals that take enormous amounts of time. The process can take longer than a life sentence, at a cost to the taxpayer. Seems that NOT ONE PART of your claim is actually true. At all. You must be pretty dumb, too, not to have spotted that this fabled system hasn't actually done much to deter murderers in America. QED, as you put it
So, Sunshine, what's your answer? You have downtrodden me. I think you must be some kind of Liberal freak who hates the death sentance? Well, for me: I would just rid these freaks from the Earth. Unless you want to give them a home?
[quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?[/p][/quote]No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that![/p][/quote]That's not what you said initially, though. Not even remotely. You said "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!" It is nothing like that. In states that have the death penalty, you MAY receive it. And it may even eventually be enforced. But that's not a quick process, it takes years, often decades, to happen, all at the expense of - survey says! - The Taxpayer™. So: This system is state-dependent, it is not "the American system". Where capital punishment exists, it is not automatic. The taking of a life does not necessarily - nor even usually - lead to a death sentence. In some circumstances, it may happen, but actually, most of the time, it doesn't. It is far from a simple process, with layers of appeals that take enormous amounts of time. The process can take longer than a life sentence, at a cost to the taxpayer. Seems that NOT ONE PART of your claim is actually true. At all. You must be pretty dumb, too, not to have spotted that this fabled system hasn't actually done much to deter murderers in America. QED, as you put it[/p][/quote]So, Sunshine, what's your answer? You have downtrodden me. I think you must be some kind of Liberal freak who hates the death sentance? Well, for me: I would just rid these freaks from the Earth. Unless you want to give them a home? forest hump
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10:36pm Tue 30 Nov 10

forest hump says...

As I thought, no alternative, just conjecture!
As I thought, no alternative, just conjecture! forest hump
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11:28pm Tue 30 Nov 10

freefinker says...

forest hump wrote:
As I thought, no alternative, just conjecture!
Conjecture: "an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information" OED
.
I think, conclusively, this fits you - not Hannibal Lecture, whose factual information has totally trumped your ‘shoot from the hip’ solution.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: As I thought, no alternative, just conjecture![/p][/quote]Conjecture: "an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information" OED . I think, conclusively, this fits you - not Hannibal Lecture, whose factual information has totally trumped your ‘shoot from the hip’ solution. freefinker
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11:59pm Tue 30 Nov 10

Dragnet says...

forest hump said:-

"The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed."

I looked up the figures. Texas kills more people than any other state. From 1976 to 2009 in Texas there were 61424 murders. In the same period, they executed only 464, less than 1% of convicted killers.

So it doesn't really follow that (quote again) "if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed."

(wow, bizarrely security-words are "live-long")
forest hump said:- "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed." I looked up the figures. Texas kills more people than any other state. From 1976 to 2009 in Texas there were 61424 murders. In the same period, they executed only 464, less than 1% of convicted killers. So it doesn't really follow that (quote again) "if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed." (wow, bizarrely security-words are "live-long") Dragnet
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12:08am Wed 1 Dec 10

freefinker says...

Dragnet wrote:
forest hump said:-

"The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed."

I looked up the figures. Texas kills more people than any other state. From 1976 to 2009 in Texas there were 61424 murders. In the same period, they executed only 464, less than 1% of convicted killers.

So it doesn't really follow that (quote again) "if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed."

(wow, bizarrely security-words are "live-long")
Well researched, but you'll find forest hump is not interested in facts.
They usually get in the way of his pre-conceived opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Dragnet[/bold] wrote: forest hump said:- "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed." I looked up the figures. Texas kills more people than any other state. From 1976 to 2009 in Texas there were 61424 murders. In the same period, they executed only 464, less than 1% of convicted killers. So it doesn't really follow that (quote again) "if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed." (wow, bizarrely security-words are "live-long")[/p][/quote]Well researched, but you'll find forest hump is not interested in facts. They usually get in the way of his pre-conceived opinions. freefinker
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8:40am Wed 1 Dec 10

pod says...

forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?
No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that!
when you people have stopped playing handbags at dawn, please have some respect for this story.
The most horriffic crime has happened and some creature has been found guilty. In the middle of all this is a dead woman and baby and a family and many friends whose lives have been completely destroyed.
You should be ashamed of yourselves of yourselves for highjacking this story for your own one-upmanship.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?[/p][/quote]No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that![/p][/quote]when you people have stopped playing handbags at dawn, please have some respect for this story. The most horriffic crime has happened and some creature has been found guilty. In the middle of all this is a dead woman and baby and a family and many friends whose lives have been completely destroyed. You should be ashamed of yourselves of yourselves for highjacking this story for your own one-upmanship. pod
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9:37am Wed 1 Dec 10

Hannibal Lecture says...

forest hump wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?
No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that!
That's not what you said initially, though. Not even remotely. You said "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!" It is nothing like that. In states that have the death penalty, you MAY receive it. And it may even eventually be enforced. But that's not a quick process, it takes years, often decades, to happen, all at the expense of - survey says! - The Taxpayer™. So: This system is state-dependent, it is not "the American system". Where capital punishment exists, it is not automatic. The taking of a life does not necessarily - nor even usually - lead to a death sentence. In some circumstances, it may happen, but actually, most of the time, it doesn't. It is far from a simple process, with layers of appeals that take enormous amounts of time. The process can take longer than a life sentence, at a cost to the taxpayer. Seems that NOT ONE PART of your claim is actually true. At all. You must be pretty dumb, too, not to have spotted that this fabled system hasn't actually done much to deter murderers in America. QED, as you put it
So, Sunshine, what's your answer? You have downtrodden me. I think you must be some kind of Liberal freak who hates the death sentance? Well, for me: I would just rid these freaks from the Earth. Unless you want to give them a home?
LOL lrn2think, idiot. I haven't said anything whatsoever about how I feel about the death penalty. All I did was point out how factually inaccurate you were about capital punishment in the USA. You can think whatever you want about me, I won't be losing any sleep.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?[/p][/quote]No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that![/p][/quote]That's not what you said initially, though. Not even remotely. You said "The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!" It is nothing like that. In states that have the death penalty, you MAY receive it. And it may even eventually be enforced. But that's not a quick process, it takes years, often decades, to happen, all at the expense of - survey says! - The Taxpayer™. So: This system is state-dependent, it is not "the American system". Where capital punishment exists, it is not automatic. The taking of a life does not necessarily - nor even usually - lead to a death sentence. In some circumstances, it may happen, but actually, most of the time, it doesn't. It is far from a simple process, with layers of appeals that take enormous amounts of time. The process can take longer than a life sentence, at a cost to the taxpayer. Seems that NOT ONE PART of your claim is actually true. At all. You must be pretty dumb, too, not to have spotted that this fabled system hasn't actually done much to deter murderers in America. QED, as you put it[/p][/quote]So, Sunshine, what's your answer? You have downtrodden me. I think you must be some kind of Liberal freak who hates the death sentance? Well, for me: I would just rid these freaks from the Earth. Unless you want to give them a home?[/p][/quote]LOL lrn2think, idiot. I haven't said anything whatsoever about how I feel about the death penalty. All I did was point out how factually inaccurate you were about capital punishment in the USA. You can think whatever you want about me, I won't be losing any sleep. Hannibal Lecture
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9:38am Wed 1 Dec 10

Hannibal Lecture says...

forest hump wrote:
As I thought, no alternative, just conjecture!
Forgive me for not wanting to spend my entire evening picking your, err, "point" apart. I note you had nothing whatsoever to say on the areas about which you were provably wrong, though. Perhaps it's time to learn the difference between what you think ought to be true, and what actually is true.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: As I thought, no alternative, just conjecture![/p][/quote]Forgive me for not wanting to spend my entire evening picking your, err, "point" apart. I note you had nothing whatsoever to say on the areas about which you were provably wrong, though. Perhaps it's time to learn the difference between what you think ought to be true, and what actually is true. Hannibal Lecture
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10:04am Wed 1 Dec 10

Little Red Corvette says...

I can't believe what this man did to that poor girl and her beautiful baby. How completely horrendous for the family to have to listen in graphic detail to what happened to them. He should be treated like the mad dog that he is, put down and disposed of. He is a callous, vicious and deranged lunatic and I dearly hope someone gets him inside.
I can't believe what this man did to that poor girl and her beautiful baby. How completely horrendous for the family to have to listen in graphic detail to what happened to them. He should be treated like the mad dog that he is, put down and disposed of. He is a callous, vicious and deranged lunatic and I dearly hope someone gets him inside. Little Red Corvette
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10:33am Wed 1 Dec 10

davesbabe says...

it is not an american custom, it used to happen here before america was even colonised, it doesnt matter what we think there will never be a death penalty in GB as long as the human rights act exists as the criminals get more rights than the victims, bless stephanie and lili, may they rest in peace and i hope the little boy is with someone who will make him happy, and loves him lots, its the family thats left behind i feel sorry for deepest sympathies!
it is not an american custom, it used to happen here before america was even colonised, it doesnt matter what we think there will never be a death penalty in GB as long as the human rights act exists as the criminals get more rights than the victims, bless stephanie and lili, may they rest in peace and i hope the little boy is with someone who will make him happy, and loves him lots, its the family thats left behind i feel sorry for deepest sympathies! davesbabe
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11:00am Wed 1 Dec 10

Shoong says...

pod wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Atpost wrote:
Hannibal Lecture wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
hythe knights wrote: Death penalty is deserved.
I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind
What "American system"?
The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true
It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED!
But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?
No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that!
when you people have stopped playing handbags at dawn, please have some respect for this story.
The most horriffic crime has happened and some creature has been found guilty. In the middle of all this is a dead woman and baby and a family and many friends whose lives have been completely destroyed.
You should be ashamed of yourselves of yourselves for highjacking this story for your own one-upmanship.
Agreed, you need to get over yourselves really, no shame.
[quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannibal Lecture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hythe knights[/bold] wrote: Death penalty is deserved.[/p][/quote]I second that. He's admitted that he has killed them regardless of mental capacity. We should use the american system, why waste take payers maoney to keep him alive when it will be much easier, cheaper and deserved of the death penalty key-word cold-kind[/p][/quote]What "American system"?[/p][/quote]The one that stupid saw on a film once - so it must be true[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with Hollywood. The system is; simply: if you are guilty of killing someone, you get killed. No wasting taxpayers' monies to look after scum. QED![/p][/quote]But WHAT american system is that? Is the significance of the question really lost on you?[/p][/quote]No, it is not lost! In the USA, in certain States, if you kill someone and you are found guilty, you are then subsequently killed. You must be pretty dumb to not understand that![/p][/quote]when you people have stopped playing handbags at dawn, please have some respect for this story. The most horriffic crime has happened and some creature has been found guilty. In the middle of all this is a dead woman and baby and a family and many friends whose lives have been completely destroyed. You should be ashamed of yourselves of yourselves for highjacking this story for your own one-upmanship.[/p][/quote]Agreed, you need to get over yourselves really, no shame. Shoong
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11:02am Wed 1 Dec 10

Sasha2020 says...

What an incredibly sad story. My heart goes out to the family, and I do wonder for their sake whether such graphic reporting was actually required in this case. It's bad enough that they have lost a beautiful daughter and granddaughter.

As someone who works in the health service, I also wonder if this tragedy could have been avoided had mental health services not been so badly eroded over the years. Of course, I don't have all the facts, but it does look to me that this man should have been placed as an in-patient in a secure unit along time ago. Prevention of the crime in the first place surely has to be a better option than punishment.
What an incredibly sad story. My heart goes out to the family, and I do wonder for their sake whether such graphic reporting was actually required in this case. It's bad enough that they have lost a beautiful daughter and granddaughter. As someone who works in the health service, I also wonder if this tragedy could have been avoided had mental health services not been so badly eroded over the years. Of course, I don't have all the facts, but it does look to me that this man should have been placed as an in-patient in a secure unit along time ago. Prevention of the crime in the first place surely has to be a better option than punishment. Sasha2020
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