Boozed up yobs threatened with city ban (From Daily Echo)

Pathetic media driven garbage creating a nanny state.

Red&White Power wrote:
Pathetic media driven garbage creating a nanny state.

Are you saying that there isnt a problem then?

Red&White Power wrote:
Pathetic media driven garbage creating a nanny state.

LOL. I was thinking just the opposite. It's about **** time. I'm sick of drunken idiots ruining nights out for others....

Red&White Power wrote:
Pathetic media driven garbage creating a nanny state.

the ban should go further, from every place that sell alcohol in hampshire.
if people cant control them selfs when drinking or just after, then yes then that nanny state should place bans

They need to stop selling cheap booze in supermarkets too at silly prices, although of course those of us who genuinely want a party/occasion and benefit will those out. The above are good measures but won't stop people getting wrecked before they go out!

All blown out of proportion by the media. The creation of a nanny state continues. Less trouble now than there was 10/20 years ago despite more drinking venues ! FACT The whinging police should get on with it.

Aside from that though the real problem is the broken society that the labour party has created.

More empty threats we've heard so many times before

I have just written to the head of the Local Planning Authority to suggest that no more bars be allowed to open in the Night Time Economy Hub in the North of the city.
There was a ban on more bars in Bevois Valley in 2003 and if that had been extended at the time the problem would not have got so out of hand.
The Council will not heed the warnings of those who know better than they do ( just about everybody ? )

No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s!

As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s!

As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

I think you'll find that drink related issues have become really prevalent since Labour got in bed with the drinks industry and relaxed virtually all of the existing rules. It could be seen as quite a clever move by Labour who increased their tax income from the imbeciles that prowl the town in a drunken haze and the spiralling profit levels for the drinks industry and the share holders. When the Conservatives bring in their £500 fines for hospital admissions for drink related incidents, the pressure will be eased on the NHS and everyone will be happy.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote: No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s! As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

I think you'll find that drink related issues have become really prevalent since Labour got in bed with the drinks industry and relaxed virtually all of the existing rules. It could be seen as quite a clever move by Labour who increased their tax income from the imbeciles that prowl the town in a drunken haze and the spiralling profit levels for the drinks industry and the share holders. When the Conservatives bring in their £500 fines for hospital admissions for drink related incidents, the pressure will be eased on the NHS and everyone will be happy.

Why does it appear that its everybody else's fauly apart from the sh**s that cause the problem. Virtually every country in Europe has the ability to sell alcohol 24 hours a day. So why is it that these scum bags have to drink to oblivion and hack eveyone else off. Dont forget Brits have been drinking like this for years if you remember cheap package holidays to Spain irrespective of the government in charge. So its not just the last few years.Their mentality, for some reason, insists that get bladdered. Furthermore, i enjoy a drink as i am sure that you do but i am sure that you drink in moderation.....so why shouldn't buy cheap booze.....why does it have to stop because of morons.
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The actions that are being taken now could have been taken a long time ago in towns and cities as i believe that the police and local authorities have had the powers for years. Raise the drinking age to 25..close bars and pubs down if they break the rules and ban the idiots from those bars say after 8-00pm or something....but why should we all have to suffer

At last, a positive step in the right direction: the anti-social behaviour of students has continued, unabated, for far too long

Lone Ranger wrote:

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote: No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s! As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

I think you'll find that drink related issues have become really prevalent since Labour got in bed with the drinks industry and relaxed virtually all of the existing rules. It could be seen as quite a clever move by Labour who increased their tax income from the imbeciles that prowl the town in a drunken haze and the spiralling profit levels for the drinks industry and the share holders. When the Conservatives bring in their £500 fines for hospital admissions for drink related incidents, the pressure will be eased on the NHS and everyone will be happy.

Why does it appear that its everybody else's fauly apart from the sh**s that cause the problem. Virtually every country in Europe has the ability to sell alcohol 24 hours a day. So why is it that these scum bags have to drink to oblivion and hack eveyone else off. Dont forget Brits have been drinking like this for years if you remember cheap package holidays to Spain irrespective of the government in charge. So its not just the last few years.Their mentality, for some reason, insists that get bladdered. Furthermore, i enjoy a drink as i am sure that you do but i am sure that you drink in moderation.....so why shouldn't buy cheap booze.....why does it have to stop because of morons.
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The actions that are being taken now could have been taken a long time ago in towns and cities as i believe that the police and local authorities have had the powers for years. Raise the drinking age to 25..close bars and pubs down if they break the rules and ban the idiots from those bars say after 8-00pm or something....but why should we all have to suffer

Quite agree with you LR - I think the difference with Europe is that drunkeness isn't socially acceptable or tolerated as it appears to be in the UK.
I don't see banning them from bars as an effective deterrent though, likely they'll drink elsewhere or it simply won't be enforced. I'd like to see plod come down properly on drunken behaviour, maybe a night or 2 mandatory in a basic skanky cell, longer the next time etc so there is a real, quickly dealt out punishment & lesson.
Maybe the message will get across that being off in this sort of state isn't some kind of acceptable right of passage.

simple to sort..... introduce a criminal offence for having over the equivalent of 4 times the drink drive limit in your blood in a public place.... the sentence.... £4000 fine.
end of problem. job done. sorted.
drunken chavs can not afford £4k...
result.

Red&White Power wrote:
All blown out of proportion by the media. The creation of a nanny state continues. Less trouble now than there was 10/20 years ago despite more drinking venues ! FACT The whinging police should get on with it. Aside from that though the real problem is the broken society that the labour party has created.

dont believe that,would like to see that fact and where you got it from

matts wrote:

Red&White Power wrote: All blown out of proportion by the media. The creation of a nanny state continues. Less trouble now than there was 10/20 years ago despite more drinking venues ! FACT The whinging police should get on with it. Aside from that though the real problem is the broken society that the labour party has created.

dont believe that,would like to see that fact and where you got it from

police are lazy true.... drinking violence is no more of a problem that it was in the 80s true.... but things are different now. there is more crime generally and more thick kids who are too dumb to do anything else BUT cause problems ,, and YES that is labour's fault , they live in a distant galaxy where we are equal but in reality , some are hard working achievers and others lazy no-hopers who want to have without achieving anything... solution : " introduce laws similar to those in california and make the achievers pay more to incarcerate the low life so we can all have a better life " .. bigger prisions yes , but I would pay more tax to have criminals locked up for 20 years rather than 5 weeks for attempted murder.

its ok them putting up the prices of alco pops etc but what about the poor people that dont cause any trouble that go out and drink theses? theyre being punished too!!! and do they really think by putting up prices they will stop drinking??? its not going to work they will just drink shots and spirits instead which are even worse!!! they havent got a clue!!! put the drinking age up to 21 is what i say!!!

davesbabe wrote:
its ok them putting up the prices of alco pops etc but what about the poor people that dont cause any trouble that go out and drink theses? theyre being punished too!!! and do they really think by putting up prices they will stop drinking??? its not going to work they will just drink shots and spirits instead which are even worse!!! they havent got a clue!!! put the drinking age up to 21 is what i say!!!

So you don't want the poor & well behaved alcopop buyers punished but you're happy to see everyone under 21 who can behave decently (there are a lot of them) punished instead? added to that, the legal drinking age at 18 is widely ignored, as it would be at 21.
The only solution that's fair to all is to severely punish those with unacceptable behaviour, irrespective of age, sex or personal circumstances.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s! As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

The Thatcher era was nothing about ME, more about making the individual more responsible for themselves. More responsible for their job, housing, health, schooling, personal life. The failing was that all the good work has been undone by Blair and Brown who wanted to totally dominate our lives through taxing us to death and creating rules and laws which are totally pointless.
If you're concerned go and join the street pastors who go out every Tuesday, Friday and Saturday night looking after the drunks.

LIGHT-WEIGHTS

Pint anyone?

Booze is too cheap in this country.the drinks Industry too powerful and unaccountable. The Supermarkets are two powerful and unaccountable. Mix that on the one hand with socially deprived youths with nothing to do and with more privileged youths with money and too much time on their hands and you get a mess every friday and saturday night.

I take with a pinch of salt the bleatings of conservatives whingeing on about 'broken Britain'.
What did CaMoron and his Bullingdon boys used to do when at Eton?
Get drunk and smash up a restaurant. Brilliant example to young people.

No one has as yet suggested a sensible and permanent way of changing the drinking culture yet.
Fines and imprisonment wont work.
Unless people can find alternatives to drinking to fulfill their lives I'm afraid we will have to put up with it.

I'm off down the pub.

As usual - the minority idiots ruin everything for the poor old silent majority.

Most of us drink sensibly and in moderation whilst the usual suspects fill our media with their binge-drinking antics and related punch-ups, car crashes etc.

Same with the footy yobs whose pathetic tribal testosterone-laden turf wars hinder the enjoyment of a day out plus waste of police resources.

Even with our nutcase elements of jihadist fundamentalists who have hi-jacked a segment of Islam for their own twisted purposes. This has tainted their own majority of so-called 'brothers' and stirred up even more racial discrimination.

Airport security is now at nightmare levels thanks to these wackos and they have succeeded in increasing the terror threat even without direct action.

What a crazy world we live in

Condor Man wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s! As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

The Thatcher era was nothing about ME, more about making the individual more responsible for themselves. More responsible for their job, housing, health, schooling, personal life. The failing was that all the good work has been undone by Blair and Brown who wanted to totally dominate our lives through taxing us to death and creating rules and laws which are totally pointless.
If you're concerned go and join the street pastors who go out every Tuesday, Friday and Saturday night looking after the drunks.

condor man looks like you and derek, forgotten the thatcher yuppie culture she created, and the young tory clubs in uni's, and what it was like, a day hardly never went pass, with out some small article in the national press, of the drunken yuppie and what they got up to. like smashing up clubs, bars and wreaking the streets, and they got away with it very lightly because it was a case who they knew, it was a culture of me me me me pure greed, and this was bred in to people by thatcher.

What a load of old crapola. Our local Bobbies are very optimistic but it's unrealistic. Inspector Phil Bates, just a bloke with a job who likes to impose rules to justify his stinking position.

What is needed here is enforcement of existing laws that strip bar owners of their licences if they break the rules and continue to serve to people who have clearly had too much to drink.

A few closed bars and pubs will quickly send a message to the others.

The farcical statement from police claiming to 'work with' the licenced trade to control this problem illustrates how confused senior police officers have become. The licenced trade is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Think about it for just one moment! Should the police get into bed with drug cartels to distribute yellow cards to over-indulgent druggies? Or maybe get the suppliers of the guns used in gang-shootings to issue yellow cards to their patrons. I don't think so!

Police need to start remembering who they represent and serve. Us, not the licensed trade or any other special interest group of greedy businessmen.

Elected senior officers and judges would rapidly effect changes. Methinks that is what we really need.

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s! As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

The Thatcher era was nothing about ME, more about making the individual more responsible for themselves. More responsible for their job, housing, health, schooling, personal life. The failing was that all the good work has been undone by Blair and Brown who wanted to totally dominate our lives through taxing us to death and creating rules and laws which are totally pointless.
If you're concerned go and join the street pastors who go out every Tuesday, Friday and Saturday night looking after the drunks.

condor man looks like you and derek, forgotten the thatcher yuppie culture she created, and the young tory clubs in uni's, and what it was like, a day hardly never went pass, with out some small article in the national press, of the drunken yuppie and what they got up to. like smashing up clubs, bars and wreaking the streets, and they got away with it very lightly because it was a case who they knew, it was a culture of me me me me pure greed, and this was bred in to people by thatcher.

The usual predictable non-message.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
No that started with Thatcher and her 'me me me' culture! this degeneration has been going on for years, these youngsters were born &raised in the 80s/90s! As for police whingeing, why don't you volunteer to go out on a Tuesday or Saturday night with them and see how much whingeing goes on. As someone said the other day various council administrations have to take responsibility for allowing TOO many bars and take aways to open, licences etc.

The Thatcher era was nothing about ME, more about making the individual more responsible for themselves. More responsible for their job, housing, health, schooling, personal life. The failing was that all the good work has been undone by Blair and Brown who wanted to totally dominate our lives through taxing us to death and creating rules and laws which are totally pointless.
If you're concerned go and join the street pastors who go out every Tuesday, Friday and Saturday night looking after the drunks.

condor man looks like you and derek, forgotten the thatcher yuppie culture she created, and the young tory clubs in uni's, and what it was like, a day hardly never went pass, with out some small article in the national press, of the drunken yuppie and what they got up to. like smashing up clubs, bars and wreaking the streets, and they got away with it very lightly because it was a case who they knew, it was a culture of me me me me pure greed, and this was bred in to people by thatcher.

The usual predictable non-message.

hate to be reminded of the yuppie era derek, your so quick to forget where it all started from.

Everybody on here seems to know whose fault it all is. Some say it's the labour government for relaxing the licencing laws. Some say it's the licenced trade for selling booze too cheaply. Sorry folks, I think you're wrong. It's the fools who cannot drink sensibly, who get tanked up on cheap booze before they even go out and then cause mayhem. They are the ones who need to be hit hard in the pocket with strictly enforced fines for anti social behaviour arising through drunkenness. Anyone arrested for drunk and disorderly should be thrown in a drunk tank and only released on payment of a £500 fine. Note that in the article it states that Tuesday night is the worst night - student night out ! Note also that the article states that doormen my be involved in the handing out of yellow cards - plenty of opportunity there for unscrupulous people taking advantage of the system to settle grudges. The police and judiciary need to think this through very carefully.