Yesterday the Daily Echo revealed that even though residents may be forced to fork out for a permit to park outside their house they may still have to fight to a space.
The plans have already been condemned as "disgraceful" and "unfair" by opposition groups and residents' association leaders.
Now has Daily Echo launched a Parking Mad campaign calling on city residents to join the fight for a U-turn.
The councillor behind the plans has provoked more outrage by confirming there should be no guarantee of a spaces for every resident even if they buy a permit.
The head of the city's residents' associations, Peter Wirgman, who estimates the new permits could cost residents £50 a year, said many were already "incensed".
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The latest revelation would only add to the upset, he said. "If we've got someone living in a terraced house in the Polygon and would like to park outside their home, not only will they have to pay for a permit, on top of that if they are not guaranteed a space, that's only going to further upset them."
He added: "It seems to be imposing a charge on the people most unable to pay."
The city council's Labour and Lib Dem Cabinet gave the go-ahead to start charging residents to park outside their own homes as part of a new parking policy.
Under the radical shake-up residents will have to pay for all parking permits - the first is currently free.
While the council will curb new city centre parking zones it wants to mark out more paid-for zones elsewhere.
City centre residents will be encouraged to use parking spaces such as multi-storey car parks which cost £2 a night.
Lib Dem councillor Jill Baston said: "We need to recognise there is a cost to providing parking and there are more and more cars on the road.
"It does cost the council to implement residents' parking zones."
She added: "It's more difficult where there is limited space. But there is no way we can magically increase space on the streets.
"It's not possible that all the time there will be a space. It is problematic but we shall try to solve it in various ways."
Posted by: gary vincent, Southampton on 8:03am Sat 22 Mar 08
Well Done Lab & Lib Dems,
Keep on like this and you'll have a city completely free of cars and...oh yes of course visitors too!
And what do visitors do? they bring revenue, so prepare for leaner times councillors!
This is another fiscal assault on those people who are residents of the city and incidentally are the very people whose interests you as elected councillors are paid to represent.
I only visit the city now if absolutely necessary, it used to be a pleasant experience but alas due to the efforts of our wonderful city councillors with their ever increasing over regulation of parking,it is not now the case.
Well Done Lab & Lib Dems,
Keep on like this and you'll have a city completely free of cars and...oh yes of course visitors too!
And what do visitors do? they bring revenue, so prepare for leaner times councillors!
This is another fiscal assault on those people who are residents of the city and incidentally are the very people whose interests you as elected councillors are paid to represent.
I only visit the city now if absolutely necessary, it used to be a pleasant experience but alas due to the efforts of our wonderful city councillors with their ever increasing over regulation of parking,it is not now the case.
Lib Dem councillor Jill Baston said: "We need to recognise there is a cost to providing parking and there are more and more cars on the road "It does cost the council to implement residents' parking zones"
What cost to provide parking?
If it costs the council to implement parking zones, then dont do them.
How can they justify charging for a service they cannot provide?
Daylight robbery.
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
Lib Dem councillor Jill Baston said: "We need to recognise there is a cost to providing parking and there are more and more cars on the road "It does cost the council to implement residents' parking zones"
What cost to provide parking?
If it costs the council to implement parking zones, then dont do them.
How can they justify charging for a service they cannot provide?
Daylight robbery.
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
Posted by: Daz, Southampton on 8:45am Sat 22 Mar 08
Well maybe the council should think about removing the rather large number of foreign cars with no british tax on them first, my street is packed solid full of Polish cars, they either have no idea that we have to pay car tax here or simply dont care.
And once again, who pays for this?....local people....I could go on and state similar reasons for maternity wards, increased housing problems, but it all comes down to one thing....our government have screwed us over royally.
Well maybe the council should think about removing the rather large number of foreign cars with no british tax on them first, my street is packed solid full of Polish cars, they either have no idea that we have to pay car tax here or simply dont care.
And once again, who pays for this?....local people....I could go on and state similar reasons for maternity wards, increased housing problems, but it all comes down to one thing....our government have screwed us over royally.
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
Lib Dem councillor Jill Baston said: "We need to recognise there is a cost to providing parking and there are more and more cars on the road "It does cost the council to implement residents' parking zones" What cost to provide parking? If it costs the council to implement parking zones, then dont do them. How can they justify charging for a service they cannot provide? Daylight robbery. At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.[/quote] And let us not forget that residents parking came in against the wishes of the residents but at the will of the council.For them to now say that it costs and the taxpayer must pay for the councils folly is rubbing salt into the wound
Ian wrote:
Lib Dem councillor Jill Baston said: "We need to recognise there is a cost to providing parking and there are more and more cars on the road "It does cost the council to implement residents' parking zones" What cost to provide parking? If it costs the council to implement parking zones, then dont do them. How can they justify charging for a service they cannot provide? Daylight robbery. At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
And let us not forget that residents parking came in against the wishes of the residents but at the will of the council.For them to now say that it costs and the taxpayer must pay for the councils folly is rubbing salt into the wound
Posted by: Beater, Bassett on 9:31am Sat 22 Mar 08
"The Council" are not some alien super power intent on te destruction of life as we know it in Southampton.
They are a democratically elected body enpowered by the electorate to oversee the functioning of the city for a fixed period of time.
Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in.
Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have!
"The Council" are not some alien super power intent on te destruction of life as we know it in Southampton.
They are a democratically elected body enpowered by the electorate to oversee the functioning of the city for a fixed period of time.
Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in.
Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have!
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 10:36am Sat 22 Mar 08
If one of the political parties (I expect it will be the Tories,) adopt this petition and campaign by the Daily Echo, will it be declared as election campaign expenses at the May elections?
Just a thought eh, with all the fuss that has happened nationally to the political parties over the past few months.
If one of the political parties (I expect it will be the Tories,) adopt this petition and campaign by the Daily Echo, will it be declared as election campaign expenses at the May elections?
Just a thought eh, with all the fuss that has happened nationally to the political parties over the past few months.
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 10:43am Sat 22 Mar 08
'While the council will curb new city centre parking zones it wants to mark out more paid-for zones elsewhere.
City centre residents will be encouraged to use parking spaces such as multi-storey car parks which cost £2 a night'
Doesnt this happen in other cities already?
Personally it doesnt make sense to me as I think the parking permit system in central Southampton works just fine.
'While the council will curb new city centre parking zones it wants to mark out more paid-for zones elsewhere.
City centre residents will be encouraged to use parking spaces such as multi-storey car parks which cost £2 a night'
Doesnt this happen in other cities already?
Personally it doesnt make sense to me as I think the parking permit system in central Southampton works just fine.
Posted by: Mark, sitting on the dock of Southampton on 10:56am Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
'While the council will curb new city centre parking zones it wants to mark out more paid-for zones elsewhere. City centre residents will be encouraged to use parking spaces such as multi-storey car parks which cost £2 a night' Doesnt this happen in other cities already? Personally it doesnt make sense to me as I think the parking permit system in central Southampton works just fine. [/quote] [bold]Personally it doesnt make sense to me as I think the parking permit system in central Southampton works just fine.[/bold]
Well said Ian, like the old saying goes if it aint broke dont fix it
Ian wrote:
'While the council will curb new city centre parking zones it wants to mark out more paid-for zones elsewhere. City centre residents will be encouraged to use parking spaces such as multi-storey car parks which cost £2 a night' Doesnt this happen in other cities already? Personally it doesnt make sense to me as I think the parking permit system in central Southampton works just fine.
Personally it doesnt make sense to me as I think the parking permit system in central Southampton works just fine.
Well said Ian, like the old saying goes if it aint broke dont fix it
[quote]"We need to recognise there is a cost to providing parking and there are more and more cars on the road "It does cost the council to implement residents' parking zones"
[/quote]
So what does our ever-increasing council tax get spent on? This city - much like the country as a whole - is more and more just becoming a black hole for the tax-paying individual's earnings
"We need to recognise there is a cost to providing parking and there are more and more cars on the road "It does cost the council to implement residents' parking zones"
So what does our ever-increasing council tax get spent on? This city - much like the country as a whole - is more and more just becoming a black hole for the tax-paying individual's earnings
Posted by: thicky ian, west end on 3:34pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
If one of the political parties (I expect it will be the Tories,) adopt this petition and campaign by the Daily Echo, will it be declared as election campaign expenses at the May elections? Just a thought eh, with all the fuss that has happened nationally to the political parties over the past few months.[/quote] it cant be the liberals or labour can it you thick git
Ian wrote:
If one of the political parties (I expect it will be the Tories,) adopt this petition and campaign by the Daily Echo, will it be declared as election campaign expenses at the May elections? Just a thought eh, with all the fuss that has happened nationally to the political parties over the past few months.
it cant be the liberals or labour can it you thick git
Sorry Rachel of Eastleigh, if you live in Eastleigh then you didn't vote for any of the political parties in Southampton. I think that you have got your own council to worry about. Anyway will this scheme apply to parking in the suburbs as well as the city centre?
Sorry Rachel of Eastleigh, if you live in Eastleigh then you didn't vote for any of the political parties in Southampton. I think that you have got your own council to worry about. Anyway will this scheme apply to parking in the suburbs as well as the city centre?
There is no such thing as 'free' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don't own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house.
There is no such thing as 'free' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don't own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house.
I think it's a good idea. If you live near the town centre you should have to pay for your parking spaces. There is so much competion for parking and if another road tax payer comes along and wants to park there they have just as much right.
I want moet at the next board meeting, I think this will just about cover the cost.
I think it's a good idea. If you live near the town centre you should have to pay for your parking spaces. There is so much competion for parking and if another road tax payer comes along and wants to park there they have just as much right.
I want moet at the next board meeting, I think this will just about cover the cost.
I think it's a good idea. If you live near the town centre you should have to pay for your parking spaces. There is so much competion for parking and if another road tax payer comes along and wants to park there they have just as much right.
I want moet at the next board meeting, I think this will just about cover the cost.
I think it's a good idea. If you live near the town centre you should have to pay for your parking spaces. There is so much competion for parking and if another road tax payer comes along and wants to park there they have just as much right.
I want moet at the next board meeting, I think this will just about cover the cost.
[quote][bold]kelly[/bold] wrote:
There is no such thing as 'free' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don't own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house. [/quote] So what you're saying is that, overnight, tens of thousands of car-owning residents should suddenly find they no longer have the right to own a car? Interestin spin on the old "I'm alright, Jack" attitude. How are they a nuisance or a danger? What a ridiculous comment, which is a shame because I quite liked you in Eastenders
kelly wrote:
There is no such thing as 'free' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don't own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house.
So what you're saying is that, overnight, tens of thousands of car-owning residents should suddenly find they no longer have the right to own a car? Interestin spin on the old "I'm alright, Jack" attitude. How are they a nuisance or a danger? What a ridiculous comment, which is a shame because I quite liked you in Eastenders
Posted by: 5 in a house, Polygon on 6:22pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Solution make the students pay. Charge them a punative rate for parking thereby covering the cost for local residents who would still park for free and offset the council tax inequality between locals and students at the same time. Its an easy win win.
Solution make the students pay. Charge them a punative rate for parking thereby covering the cost for local residents who would still park for free and offset the council tax inequality between locals and students at the same time. Its an easy win win.
what do we all pay road tax for? for using the road- to drive or to park!!!
Council is just trying to put more burdon on the already squeezed. You cannot afford public transport, its too costly...
Anyway, if they are going to charge for a service, parking in this context, they should porvide the service( I mean Parkign spaces)
what do we all pay road tax for? for using the road- to drive or to park!!!
Council is just trying to put more burdon on the already squeezed. You cannot afford public transport, its too costly...
Anyway, if they are going to charge for a service, parking in this context, they should porvide the service( I mean Parkign spaces)
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 7:56pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]thicky ian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote: If one of the political parties (I expect it will be the Tories,) adopt this petition and campaign by the Daily Echo, will it be declared as election campaign expenses at the May elections? Just a thought eh, with all the fuss that has happened nationally to the political parties over the past few months.[/quote] it cant be the liberals or labour can it you thick git [/quote] Ouch!!!
I'm bleeding heavily by that retort from the brave keyboard warrior!!
thicky ian wrote:
Ian wrote: If one of the political parties (I expect it will be the Tories,) adopt this petition and campaign by the Daily Echo, will it be declared as election campaign expenses at the May elections? Just a thought eh, with all the fuss that has happened nationally to the political parties over the past few months.
it cant be the liberals or labour can it you thick git
Ouch!!!
I'm bleeding heavily by that retort from the brave keyboard warrior!!
Posted by: george lordshill, Lordshill on 6:55am Sun 23 Mar 08
Beater Basset wrote:
Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in.
Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have!
People of Southampton get the representation they deserve. Come May 1st vote Independant
Beater Basset wrote:
Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in.
Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have!
People of Southampton get the representation they deserve. Come May 1st vote Independant
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 7:52am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]george lordshill[/bold] wrote:
Beater Basset wrote: Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in. Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have! People of Southampton get the representation they deserve. Come May 1st vote Independant[/quote] George, bad idea as voting like that will let Labour back in. Instead, vote Tory. If you live in wards like Portswood and Swaythling with weak Lib Dem councillors give the Tories a go. In fact, if you live anywhere in the city start voting for a party that will stand up for the rights of the council tax payers rather than subsidising the lifestyles of those who don't (or in most cases won't) pay it.
george lordshill wrote:
Beater Basset wrote: Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in. Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have! People of Southampton get the representation they deserve. Come May 1st vote Independant
George, bad idea as voting like that will let Labour back in. Instead, vote Tory. If you live in wards like Portswood and Swaythling with weak Lib Dem councillors give the Tories a go. In fact, if you live anywhere in the city start voting for a party that will stand up for the rights of the council tax payers rather than subsidising the lifestyles of those who don't (or in most cases won't) pay it.
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 12:04pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Condor Man. Voting Tory will be like Turkeys voting for Xmas. How can you advocate a party that are just as dishonest and lacking creditability as the New Labourists or the LibDems?
Working people need a party, but the Tories only represent just the rich wealthy council tax payers
Condor Man. Voting Tory will be like Turkeys voting for Xmas. How can you advocate a party that are just as dishonest and lacking creditability as the New Labourists or the LibDems?
Working people need a party, but the Tories only represent just the rich wealthy council tax payers
Posted by: Lee Whitbread, Labour Party Candidate for Bassett on 12:30pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]george lordshill[/bold] wrote: Beater Basset wrote: Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in. Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have! People of Southampton get the representation they deserve. Come May 1st vote Independant[/quote] George, bad idea as voting like that will let Labour back in. Instead, vote Tory. If you live in wards like Portswood and Swaythling with weak Lib Dem councillors give the Tories a go. In fact, if you live anywhere in the city start voting for a party that will stand up for the rights of the council tax payers rather than subsidising the lifestyles of those who don't (or in most cases won't) pay it.[/quote] As I said in a previous posting...
This election is about more then car parking charges, this election is about the future direction that Southampton takes, does Southampton go down the road of cuts from the Conservatives or does this city make investments in key services? do pensioners have reduced use of their bus passes? (something the Conservatives wanted) Do children under 12 lose free swimming? (something which the Conservatives wanted to axe) Do we have reduced lesiure centre hours? another Conservative cut) Do we lose our football and cricket pitches? (yet another tory cut) I could go on and on... Investment from Labour or Cuts from the Conservatives
Condor Man wrote:
george lordshill wrote: Beater Basset wrote: Trouble is, you put 'loonies' in you get 'looney toones' out and we're certainly getting out just deserts for voting this lot in. Perhaps next time we vote we may wish to put a little more thought into it and get the council we deserve, or, perhaps we already have! People of Southampton get the representation they deserve. Come May 1st vote Independant
George, bad idea as voting like that will let Labour back in. Instead, vote Tory. If you live in wards like Portswood and Swaythling with weak Lib Dem councillors give the Tories a go. In fact, if you live anywhere in the city start voting for a party that will stand up for the rights of the council tax payers rather than subsidising the lifestyles of those who don't (or in most cases won't) pay it.
As I said in a previous posting...
This election is about more then car parking charges, this election is about the future direction that Southampton takes, does Southampton go down the road of cuts from the Conservatives or does this city make investments in key services? do pensioners have reduced use of their bus passes? (something the Conservatives wanted) Do children under 12 lose free swimming? (something which the Conservatives wanted to axe) Do we have reduced lesiure centre hours? another Conservative cut) Do we lose our football and cricket pitches? (yet another tory cut) I could go on and on... Investment from Labour or Cuts from the Conservatives
[quote][bold]kelly[/bold] wrote:
There is no such thing as 'free' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don't own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house. [/quote] Kelly,
"There is no such thing as free" is the only correct element of your post, the rest of it quite simply is laughable.
Your 'free' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free.
But as we all pay council tax and motorists pay car tax in addition they are entitled to some consideration from a road perspective.
Nobody is suggesting that car owners have priority in their own street as you put it? where did you get that from????????
What is needed here but sadly is lacking is a modicon of common sense in the management and administration of such a scheme.
Quite simply the provision of parking in a herring bone pattern similar to that in Henstead Road as opposed to the 'in line astern ' pattern that is common everywhere in this city would mean more people can park and there would be no wastage of space by inconsiderate drivers who park with 3/4 of a car length either end of their vehicle because they either cannot be bothered to park considerately or are just unable to park properly full stop.
Thats the sort of numbskull airhead drivers we need to target not the vast majority of drivers who I'm sure would wish to comply.
Unfortunately this council is so bereft of ideas and imagination in this sphere that only weapon they have is the blanket bludgeon.
kelly wrote:
There is no such thing as 'free' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don't own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house.
Kelly,
"There is no such thing as free" is the only correct element of your post, the rest of it quite simply is laughable.
Your 'free' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free.
But as we all pay council tax and motorists pay car tax in addition they are entitled to some consideration from a road perspective.
Nobody is suggesting that car owners have priority in their own street as you put it? where did you get that from????????
What is needed here but sadly is lacking is a modicon of common sense in the management and administration of such a scheme.
Quite simply the provision of parking in a herring bone pattern similar to that in Henstead Road as opposed to the 'in line astern ' pattern that is common everywhere in this city would mean more people can park and there would be no wastage of space by inconsiderate drivers who park with 3/4 of a car length either end of their vehicle because they either cannot be bothered to park considerately or are just unable to park properly full stop.
Thats the sort of numbskull airhead drivers we need to target not the vast majority of drivers who I'm sure would wish to comply.
Unfortunately this council is so bereft of ideas and imagination in this sphere that only weapon they have is the blanket bludgeon.
Posted by: sdungey, Cornwall on 1:34pm Sun 23 Mar 08
My mother lives in Portswood and has no off street parking.Southampton council has deliberately neglected this district over the years, the roads are broken and a health and safety issue, likewise the pavements so why the hell should we have to pay even more for streets that are disgusting to look at. I have damaged several cars on your rotten roads over several years and I am fed up of the bloody minded attitude of the Council towards the road surfaces.Sooner or later somebody will get killed and yet all we get are pathetic childish excuses from the councillors as to why things cannot be repaired. Who the hell does Jill Baston think she is, last year she insulted the residents of Swaythling some of whom I have known for years. Jill, this is just another of your nasty,spiteful,vicio
us unpleasent ideas to be inflicted on overworked overtaxed and underpaid people. It is time for you and the rest of your charlatan friends in the civic centre to be kicked out. If the council requires money then I suggest that 2/3 rds of the councillors are sacked and the remainder start working for a change, I have had issues that the council and particulary the Lib Dems as they have a duty of care to attend to and have failed our family disgracefully. Therefore as far as I am concerned and many others likewise wish to see the removal of these greedy grasping people. I have no option but to bring my car when I visit my mother as public transport where I live is scarce/non existent. Well done Jill Baston for making visiting my mother even more expensive. Southampton council is a disgrace to the residents of Southampton. We only have a certain amount of money in our wallets. Jill, if you feel there is a problem with car numbers then start with students cars. Please remember the rest of us have to work for a living and many do on LOW wages. I was once proud of Southampton but I would not live therenow even if I were to be paid a very large sum of money.
My mother lives in Portswood and has no off street parking.Southampton council has deliberately neglected this district over the years, the roads are broken and a health and safety issue, likewise the pavements so why the hell should we have to pay even more for streets that are disgusting to look at. I have damaged several cars on your rotten roads over several years and I am fed up of the bloody minded attitude of the Council towards the road surfaces.Sooner or later somebody will get killed and yet all we get are pathetic childish excuses from the councillors as to why things cannot be repaired. Who the hell does Jill Baston think she is, last year she insulted the residents of Swaythling some of whom I have known for years. Jill, this is just another of your nasty,spiteful,vicio
us unpleasent ideas to be inflicted on overworked overtaxed and underpaid people. It is time for you and the rest of your charlatan friends in the civic centre to be kicked out. If the council requires money then I suggest that 2/3 rds of the councillors are sacked and the remainder start working for a change, I have had issues that the council and particulary the Lib Dems as they have a duty of care to attend to and have failed our family disgracefully. Therefore as far as I am concerned and many others likewise wish to see the removal of these greedy grasping people. I have no option but to bring my car when I visit my mother as public transport where I live is scarce/non existent. Well done Jill Baston for making visiting my mother even more expensive. Southampton council is a disgrace to the residents of Southampton. We only have a certain amount of money in our wallets. Jill, if you feel there is a problem with car numbers then start with students cars. Please remember the rest of us have to work for a living and many do on LOW wages. I was once proud of Southampton but I would not live therenow even if I were to be paid a very large sum of money.
How many people complaining about this charge have garages full of everything except their cars? Perhaps if they de-cluttered and used the garage for what it is ment for, they wouldn't have to park on the road and would even get a discount on their car insurance.
How many people complaining about this charge have garages full of everything except their cars? Perhaps if they de-cluttered and used the garage for what it is ment for, they wouldn't have to park on the road and would even get a discount on their car insurance.
If councils made sure all new developments had to have 2 parking spaces then the council wouldnt need to find extra residential parking areas.. as so many have already said.. how many other ways can councillors tax motorists.. we pay car tax, we pay insurance that is taxed, we pay for petrol that is taxed, we pay to come into and out of the city if we use the bridge... why put another tax. Plus when will people realise that laying on buses, train services, imposing car sharing schemes never work.. people like to come and go when they please and not be tied down to timetables.. if the council want residents then it has to put up with cars... paying to park outside your own home is madness.. but maybe other people paying to park outside someone elses home in the city is OK... hurry up May!
If councils made sure all new developments had to have 2 parking spaces then the council wouldnt need to find extra residential parking areas.. as so many have already said.. how many other ways can councillors tax motorists.. we pay car tax, we pay insurance that is taxed, we pay for petrol that is taxed, we pay to come into and out of the city if we use the bridge... why put another tax. Plus when will people realise that laying on buses, train services, imposing car sharing schemes never work.. people like to come and go when they please and not be tied down to timetables.. if the council want residents then it has to put up with cars... paying to park outside your own home is madness.. but maybe other people paying to park outside someone elses home in the city is OK... hurry up May!
Posted by: Steve, Central on 10:20pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gary[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]kelly[/bold] wrote: There is no such thing as \'free\' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don\'t own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house. [/quote] Kelly, \"There is no such thing as free\" is the only correct element of your post, the rest of it quite simply is laughable. Your \'free\' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free. But as we all pay council tax and motorists pay car tax in addition they are entitled to some consideration from a road perspective. Nobody is suggesting that car owners have priority in their own street as you put it? where did you get that from???????? What is needed here but sadly is lacking is a modicon of common sense in the management and administration of such a scheme. Quite simply the provision of parking in a herring bone pattern similar to that in Henstead Road as opposed to the \'in line astern \' pattern that is common everywhere in this city would mean more people can park and there would be no wastage of space by inconsiderate drivers who park with 3/4 of a car length either end of their vehicle because they either cannot be bothered to park considerately or are just unable to park properly full stop. Thats the sort of numbskull airhead drivers we need to target not the vast majority of drivers who I\'m sure would wish to comply. Unfortunately this council is so bereft of ideas and imagination in this sphere that only weapon they have is the blanket bludgeon. [/quote] [quote]Your 'free' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free.[/quote]
So why if I lived in a house with off-street parking (which would therefore have been more expensive to buy, or would cost more in rent) would I have to pay exactly the same amount of road tax as if I lived next door, in a house with no off-street parking, forcing me to park on the road. If the cost of providing on-street parking is truly subsidised by road tax, then surely people who park in their own driveways/garages should pay less road tax!
If not, the following is true:
I live in a block of flats with an underground garage. A similar flat without allocated parking would cost about £25-50 per month (£300-600 per year) less. Should I therefore be able to get a parking permit to allow me to park in the central residential areas? After all, I've paid just as much as the local residents to park there by means of my road tax, so should have just as much of a right! I can assure you, if that was the case, and residential, city centre parking became saturated with non-local cars, there would be uproar among local residents.
People have to stop thinking it is their [italic]right[/italic] to be able to own a car. It is not! It is a [italic]luxury[/italic] ! Admittedly, it’s a cost effective luxury, as the alternatives (public transport) are expensive, but it’s a luxury all the same. For those people who really cannot, under any circumstance, live without their car, for whatever reason, then they’ll have to bite the bullet, and accept the ever increasing cost of living, and if they can’t afford it, why are they living in the city centre where the cost of living is so inherently high anyway?
gary wrote:
kelly wrote: There is no such thing as \'free\' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don\'t own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house.
Kelly, \"There is no such thing as free\" is the only correct element of your post, the rest of it quite simply is laughable. Your \'free\' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free. But as we all pay council tax and motorists pay car tax in addition they are entitled to some consideration from a road perspective. Nobody is suggesting that car owners have priority in their own street as you put it? where did you get that from???????? What is needed here but sadly is lacking is a modicon of common sense in the management and administration of such a scheme. Quite simply the provision of parking in a herring bone pattern similar to that in Henstead Road as opposed to the \'in line astern \' pattern that is common everywhere in this city would mean more people can park and there would be no wastage of space by inconsiderate drivers who park with 3/4 of a car length either end of their vehicle because they either cannot be bothered to park considerately or are just unable to park properly full stop. Thats the sort of numbskull airhead drivers we need to target not the vast majority of drivers who I\'m sure would wish to comply. Unfortunately this council is so bereft of ideas and imagination in this sphere that only weapon they have is the blanket bludgeon.
Your 'free' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free.
So why if I lived in a house with off-street parking (which would therefore have been more expensive to buy, or would cost more in rent) would I have to pay exactly the same amount of road tax as if I lived next door, in a house with no off-street parking, forcing me to park on the road. If the cost of providing on-street parking is truly subsidised by road tax, then surely people who park in their own driveways/garages should pay less road tax!
If not, the following is true:
I live in a block of flats with an underground garage. A similar flat without allocated parking would cost about £25-50 per month (£300-600 per year) less. Should I therefore be able to get a parking permit to allow me to park in the central residential areas? After all, I've paid just as much as the local residents to park there by means of my road tax, so should have just as much of a right! I can assure you, if that was the case, and residential, city centre parking became saturated with non-local cars, there would be uproar among local residents.
People have to stop thinking it is their right to be able to own a car. It is not! It is a luxury ! Admittedly, it’s a cost effective luxury, as the alternatives (public transport) are expensive, but it’s a luxury all the same. For those people who really cannot, under any circumstance, live without their car, for whatever reason, then they’ll have to bite the bullet, and accept the ever increasing cost of living, and if they can’t afford it, why are they living in the city centre where the cost of living is so inherently high anyway?
I disagree that people think its a right to own a car, for most in my street in inner avenue is is essential. I am a doctor (on call all hours of the day), next door a midwife and three houses down two nurses. Without my car I couldn't provide an on call service and neither could my neighbours because strangely enough public transport doesn't exist at 02.00am when people most need help. I am happy to work without my car from 9-5 just as long as you are happy without medical support or help outside of these hours!(maybe that should be considered a LUXURY Steve?)
Personally if I could pay and have my own space outside my house I wouldn't mind as finishing at 02.00am and having to park my car 4 streets away because everyone else has 5 cars per house is not the safest.
Maybe the solution is to provide first pass FREE as already exists and then refuse second passes per house unless exceptional circumstances? (and if deemed exceptional charged at £200 or something).
I disagree that people think its a right to own a car, for most in my street in inner avenue is is essential. I am a doctor (on call all hours of the day), next door a midwife and three houses down two nurses. Without my car I couldn't provide an on call service and neither could my neighbours because strangely enough public transport doesn't exist at 02.00am when people most need help. I am happy to work without my car from 9-5 just as long as you are happy without medical support or help outside of these hours!(maybe that should be considered a LUXURY Steve?)
Personally if I could pay and have my own space outside my house I wouldn't mind as finishing at 02.00am and having to park my car 4 streets away because everyone else has 5 cars per house is not the safest.
Maybe the solution is to provide first pass FREE as already exists and then refuse second passes per house unless exceptional circumstances? (and if deemed exceptional charged at £200 or something).
Posted by: resident, Southampton on 9:47am Mon 24 Mar 08
Well said SDungey of Cornwall, Portswood has been neglected for years. It is a disgrace - the pavements are a disgrace - they are full of pot holes. Southampton councillors care nothing for their residents - they just line their own pockets.
The elections on May !st - sadly we have very little choice in reality.
I will move away as soon as poddible - but where to?
Well said SDungey of Cornwall, Portswood has been neglected for years. It is a disgrace - the pavements are a disgrace - they are full of pot holes. Southampton councillors care nothing for their residents - they just line their own pockets.
The elections on May !st - sadly we have very little choice in reality.
I will move away as soon as poddible - but where to?
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]gary[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]kelly[/bold] wrote: There is no such thing as \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'free\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house. [/quote] Kelly, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"There is no such thing as free\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" is the only correct element of your post, the rest of it quite simply is laughable. Your \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'free\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free. But as we all pay council tax and motorists pay car tax in addition they are entitled to some consideration from a road perspective. Nobody is suggesting that car owners have priority in their own street as you put it? where did you get that from???????? What is needed here but sadly is lacking is a modicon of common sense in the management and administration of such a scheme. Quite simply the provision of parking in a herring bone pattern similar to that in Henstead Road as opposed to the \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'in line astern \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' pattern that is common everywhere in this city would mean more people can park and there would be no wastage of space by inconsiderate drivers who park with 3/4 of a car length either end of their vehicle because they either cannot be bothered to park considerately or are just unable to park properly full stop. Thats the sort of numbskull airhead drivers we need to target not the vast majority of drivers who I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m sure would wish to comply. Unfortunately this council is so bereft of ideas and imagination in this sphere that only weapon they have is the blanket bludgeon. [/quote] [quote]Your \\\\\\\'free\\\\\\\' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free.[/quote] So why if I lived in a house with off-street parking (which would therefore have been more expensive to buy, or would cost more in rent) would I have to pay exactly the same amount of road tax as if I lived next door, in a house with no off-street parking, forcing me to park on the road. If the cost of providing on-street parking is truly subsidised by road tax, then surely people who park in their own driveways/garages should pay less road tax! If not, the following is true: I live in a block of flats with an underground garage. A similar flat without allocated parking would cost about £25-50 per month (£300-600 per year) less. Should I therefore be able to get a parking permit to allow me to park in the central residential areas? After all, I\\\\\\\'ve paid just as much as the local residents to park there by means of my road tax, so should have just as much of a right! I can assure you, if that was the case, and residential, city centre parking became saturated with non-local cars, there would be uproar among local residents. People have to stop thinking it is their [italic]right[/italic] to be able to own a car. It is not! It is a [italic]luxury[/italic] ! Admittedly, it’s a cost effective luxury, as the alternatives (public transport) are expensive, but it’s a luxury all the same. For those people who really cannot, under any circumstance, live without their car, for whatever reason, then they’ll have to bite the bullet, and accept the ever increasing cost of living, and if they can’t afford it, why are they living in the city centre where the cost of living is so inherently high anyway? [/quote] Steve,
Back in the 80's we were told to get on our bikes and find work, so like thousands of others I did so, I am self employed, on my own, I pay all my taxes, income tax, VAT, corporation tax, National Insurance both employers and employees, fuel tax, council tax, road tax, tax, tax,tax and more bloody tax.
The nature of my work is such that I need to go where the work is, (part of the flexible, adaptable pick you up pay you off mentality where you are always only 7 days from a pay off) that makes us competetive and able to get work and not let it be outsourced abroad.
I have to travel 100 miles a day or live out of a suitcase without my family, I car share with three others and no it is bloody well not a luxury it is a necessity and the alternative is £140 a week on the train and an unreliable service to boot.
It's all very fine you telling us to bite the bullet but with respect it's not you doing the biting.
I'll wager you are employed with a pension and can take the bus or drive to work and I'll also wager your travelling time is less than 20 minutes each way.
Sadly I do not enjoy that luxury but I would be grateful if you would address this point in a more balanced and understanding manner and try to understand we are not all single driver commuters and pay quite enough tax already thank you.
Steve wrote:
gary wrote:
kelly wrote: There is no such thing as \\\\\\\\\\\\'free\\\\\\\\\\\\' on street parking. Cars parked on the street are a nuisance and a danger to other road users, especially predestrians. The council should take steps to restrict parking by what ever means at its disposal. Residents who want to park directly outside their own property need forcibly reminding that they don\\\\\\\\\\\\'t own the road, so why should they they have priority over other people?. In street where I live in the residential area near to Shirley, it seems that many homeowners have 2 or even 3 cars per house. Even if they have off road parking, they also park on the road regardless of the fact that there is simply not enough space for everyone to park outside their own house.
Kelly, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"There is no such thing as free\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" is the only correct element of your post, the rest of it quite simply is laughable. Your \\\\\\\\\\\\'free\\\\\\\\\\\\' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free. But as we all pay council tax and motorists pay car tax in addition they are entitled to some consideration from a road perspective. Nobody is suggesting that car owners have priority in their own street as you put it? where did you get that from???????? What is needed here but sadly is lacking is a modicon of common sense in the management and administration of such a scheme. Quite simply the provision of parking in a herring bone pattern similar to that in Henstead Road as opposed to the \\\\\\\\\\\\'in line astern \\\\\\\\\\\\' pattern that is common everywhere in this city would mean more people can park and there would be no wastage of space by inconsiderate drivers who park with 3/4 of a car length either end of their vehicle because they either cannot be bothered to park considerately or are just unable to park properly full stop. Thats the sort of numbskull airhead drivers we need to target not the vast majority of drivers who I\\\\\\\\\\\\'m sure would wish to comply. Unfortunately this council is so bereft of ideas and imagination in this sphere that only weapon they have is the blanket bludgeon.
Your \\\\'free\\\\' parking as you so inaccurately put it, is car road tax of between £190-£300 per car per year, (soon to rise to £400) so no it is most certainly not free.
So why if I lived in a house with off-street parking (which would therefore have been more expensive to buy, or would cost more in rent) would I have to pay exactly the same amount of road tax as if I lived next door, in a house with no off-street parking, forcing me to park on the road. If the cost of providing on-street parking is truly subsidised by road tax, then surely people who park in their own driveways/garages should pay less road tax! If not, the following is true: I live in a block of flats with an underground garage. A similar flat without allocated parking would cost about £25-50 per month (£300-600 per year) less. Should I therefore be able to get a parking permit to allow me to park in the central residential areas? After all, I\\\\'ve paid just as much as the local residents to park there by means of my road tax, so should have just as much of a right! I can assure you, if that was the case, and residential, city centre parking became saturated with non-local cars, there would be uproar among local residents. People have to stop thinking it is their right to be able to own a car. It is not! It is a luxury ! Admittedly, it’s a cost effective luxury, as the alternatives (public transport) are expensive, but it’s a luxury all the same. For those people who really cannot, under any circumstance, live without their car, for whatever reason, then they’ll have to bite the bullet, and accept the ever increasing cost of living, and if they can’t afford it, why are they living in the city centre where the cost of living is so inherently high anyway?
Steve,
Back in the 80's we were told to get on our bikes and find work, so like thousands of others I did so, I am self employed, on my own, I pay all my taxes, income tax, VAT, corporation tax, National Insurance both employers and employees, fuel tax, council tax, road tax, tax, tax,tax and more bloody tax.
The nature of my work is such that I need to go where the work is, (part of the flexible, adaptable pick you up pay you off mentality where you are always only 7 days from a pay off) that makes us competetive and able to get work and not let it be outsourced abroad.
I have to travel 100 miles a day or live out of a suitcase without my family, I car share with three others and no it is bloody well not a luxury it is a necessity and the alternative is £140 a week on the train and an unreliable service to boot.
It's all very fine you telling us to bite the bullet but with respect it's not you doing the biting.
I'll wager you are employed with a pension and can take the bus or drive to work and I'll also wager your travelling time is less than 20 minutes each way.
Sadly I do not enjoy that luxury but I would be grateful if you would address this point in a more balanced and understanding manner and try to understand we are not all single driver commuters and pay quite enough tax already thank you.
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