£2m Spitfire monument is on launch pad (From Daily Echo)

Southampton's answer to the Statue of Liberty?

Please spare me the early April fools joke, I haven't even got used to the idea that it's Christmas in a couple of weeks yet.

You don't see Handy Andy on telly much these days, do you? I bet he'd jump at the chance to build this for free, so long as Channel 4 can film it. Tommy Walsh can do the paving and that bird with no bra can do the water feature. Problem solved.

We're broke, but the money seems to keep flowing for these projects. For Gods sake stop spending what we can't afford.

Bagamn wrote:
We're broke, but the money seems to keep flowing for these projects. For Gods sake stop spending what we can't afford.

Don't be silly,,,,if they don't raise the money by donations and grants,,,they will simply borrow some,,,like the Tories did with the Sea City Museum,,,come on you should know by now,,,,we're all in this together,,,unless of course your Southampton City Council,,,,,sack workers,,,,moan about having Government cuts,,,whilst wasting money on follies such as these.

Bagamn wrote:
We're broke, but the money seems to keep flowing for these projects. For Gods sake stop spending what we can't afford.

The money's clearly not flowing, hence the bit in the story about how a fundraising drive is now beginning.

I really hope they find the cash (from "corporate sponsors, donors and grants" not Council tax ) to build this beautiful monument: we all need something to cheer us up, and the Old Docks need opening up to the public.

As much as we should celebrate the engineering of such a prestigous war machine in our Southampton, in a time when sevices are being cut to the vulnerable and council staff are being sacked surely this money could be used to maintain services which residents will soon be losing.

Southampton city council - Penny wise, pound stupid!

honestly i think kermit the frog could do a better job at making key decisions than the current 'powers that be'.

Seriously, get the telly involved and this thing will build itself. Anything involving our 'fallen heroes' and 'brave boys' is like absolute catnip to television producers at the moment. A bunch of army wives are about to have a Christmas number one on the back of a TV series about them, so all we need is a six-parter on Channel 4, juxtaposing footage from the war and a little bit of history (public service remit box ticked right there) together with some no-nonsense presenter making impassioned appeals and 'kicking ****' outside Donwing Street to get the monument built. It's win-win.

I dont understand why its next to Trafalgar dry dock its no good up there thats in the docks??? We need to get decent access to the waterfront before we worry about stupid schemes like that.What have we got? Mayflower park with an eyesore of a pier next to it.

I just read the article again, I see now, this is for the benefit of cruise ship passengers not the people of Southampton, we cant even get a public toilet!!

bigfella777 wrote:
I just read the article again, I see now, this is for the benefit of cruise ship passengers not the people of Southampton, we cant even get a public toilet!!

Southampton is a public toilet

Bigfella you hit the nail on the head.....this is only to keep the cruise sh1ts happy and further cement Cllr Hannides so called legacy

forest hump wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
I just read the article again, I see now, this is for the benefit of cruise ship passengers not the people of Southampton, we cant even get a public toilet!!

Southampton is a public toilet

Actually Forest, I get your drift. Southampton has nothing to offer after 25/30 years of woeful neglect by previous councils. Portsmouth is way ahead of Southampton!
The only saving grace for Southampton's is the rfecent addition of IKEA!
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At least this council is putting projects together that will bring energy, excitement, enthusiasm and TOURISTS to Southampton! Southampton has a lot of ground to make up and any of these new projects should be celebrated and not not harangued by the Southampton Whingers Society!

Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also.
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Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place.
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Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

"Woolston built fighter plane"!
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Im sure it was designed here and think the propellers were made here but dont think it was built here? Can somebody just confirm this?

The Salv wrote:
"Woolston built fighter plane"! . Im sure it was designed here and think the propellers were made here but dont think it was built here? Can somebody just confirm this?

Just did some research, initially built here but soon realised the factory was not big enough. Also after the factories in Woolston and Itchen were heavily bombed the dispersed production over several sites.
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If you ever want to have a dig at the brummies just read about their behaviour during the factory installation at Castle Bromwich.

Personally like the concept but wish the actual spitfire had a restaurant/cafe inside instead of a statue. also would have liked it at the end of the woolston development as this is where it was built.
Cruise ships could see it & as a restaurant private money could have helped the build & the customers would have sat down to a lovely meal & a great view & see all the cruise ships.
they aren't using it for it's real potential

The Salv wrote:
"Woolston built fighter plane"!
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Im sure it was designed here and think the propellers were made here but dont think it was built here? Can somebody just confirm this?

Woolston was where the factory was. after much bombing they built factories elsewhere so production didn't stop if any of the factories were bombed but as far as I know production still continued at Woolston

loosehead wrote:
Personally like the concept but wish the actual spitfire had a restaurant/cafe inside instead of a statue. also would have liked it at the end of the woolston development as this is where it was built. Cruise ships could see it & as a restaurant private money could have helped the build & the customers would have sat down to a lovely meal & a great view & see all the cruise ships. they aren't using it for it's real potential

Agree, cafe at the top with a viewing platform would have been made a nice tourist attraction.
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Not sure about having that in Woolston though, maybe just the monument on it's own without the cafe. We get a lousy feather by the cross roads!

loosehead wrote:
Personally like the concept but wish the actual spitfire had a restaurant/cafe inside instead of a statue. also would have liked it at the end of the woolston development as this is where it was built.
Cruise ships could see it & as a restaurant private money could have helped the build & the customers would have sat down to a lovely meal & a great view & see all the cruise ships.
they aren't using it for it's real potential

.. would be a rather small cafe, would it not?

Look at the picture with the scale model people - and then work out how many customers you could get 'inside' the spitfire, as you postulate. And the kitchen, staff, etc, etc?

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote: Personally like the concept but wish the actual spitfire had a restaurant/cafe inside instead of a statue. also would have liked it at the end of the woolston development as this is where it was built. Cruise ships could see it & as a restaurant private money could have helped the build & the customers would have sat down to a lovely meal & a great view & see all the cruise ships. they aren't using it for it's real potential

.. would be a rather small cafe, would it not? Look at the picture with the scale model people - and then work out how many customers you could get 'inside' the spitfire, as you postulate. And the kitchen, staff, etc, etc?

now now, you know what he/she means. Obviously would call for a larger design ;-)

forest hump wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
I just read the article again, I see now, this is for the benefit of cruise ship passengers not the people of Southampton, we cant even get a public toilet!!

Southampton is a public toilet

This shower of a council only care about the "SNOB ELITE " everyone else does,nt get a second thought , ignore them at the time they come looking for votes.

The Salv wrote:
Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Just to put the record straight from the people who worked at Woolston Supermarine ( my Neighbour for one) during those dark days the production was scattered right round the country places and points you would never here of now and then re-assembled at west bromich reflown to eastliegh then delivered to what ever station required them by women.As for the site of the memorial the daocks is not the answer unless total public access is granted at all times if not put it in Mayflower Park right in the middle so every one can visit sit and enjoy even the cruise passengers they can get a good view on the way past and visit during there stay other wise they will stay in the dock area. Come on get it going and for the benifit of all and not the chosen few.

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site...

What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors.

I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on!

Absolute douche!

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process.
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OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Pinched our airport now the Spitfire shame on you southampton Eastleigh forever

tennisaint wrote:
Pinched our airport now the Spitfire shame on you southampton Eastleigh forever

When the HELL did it become Eastleigh's Spitfire?
the original plane was a water plane ( supermarine) & would have definitely not flown from Southampton/Eastleig
h Airport so how the hell is it your plane?

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process.
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OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it.

The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small.

In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either.

In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out.

If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card.

Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it!

Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home.

Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return.

Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this.

They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Personally like the concept but wish the actual spitfire had a restaurant/cafe inside instead of a statue. also would have liked it at the end of the woolston development as this is where it was built.
Cruise ships could see it & as a restaurant private money could have helped the build & the customers would have sat down to a lovely meal & a great view & see all the cruise ships.
they aren't using it for it's real potential

.. would be a rather small cafe, would it not?

Look at the picture with the scale model people - and then work out how many customers you could get 'inside' the spitfire, as you postulate. And the kitchen, staff, etc, etc?

Any one with half a brain would know what I meant but no you had to come back with this!
Of course I meant a bigger Spitfire with facilities for a Restaurant & yes a viewing platform.
I even said it to a councillor

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process.
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OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it.

The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small.

In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either.

In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out.

If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card.

Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it!

Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home.

Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return.

Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this.

They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

Totally agree with your post

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process.
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OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it.

The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small.

In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either.

In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out.

If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card.

Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it!

Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home.

Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return.

Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this.

They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

Totally agree with your post

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself.
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How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose!
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Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city.
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I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort.
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Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

Totally agree with your post

I would have agreed with him if he actually directed his reply in the correct direction!

bigfella777 wrote:
I just read the article again, I see now, this is for the benefit of cruise ship passengers not the people of Southampton, we cant even get a public toilet!!

Exactly it's a complete joke. Nobody on foot goes to that part of town so nobody will see it. Get Carnival to pay for it as the main cruise company in Soton as it's for the benefit of their passengers ffs.
What a waste of money.

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself.
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How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose!
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Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city.
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I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort.
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Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

Sorry, I thought it was you that wrote, "OAPs are super rich, most own their own properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth £200k."

Regardless of how much a house is worth, it is the OAP's home, that they have scrimped and saved for and have had to maintain over the years. It is only worth that amount when it is sold, and that is usually when the OAP dies - so they get no benefit from their prudence - or if they have to go into a care home. Then the money is taken to pay for their keep.

Of course, if they had not been prudent, lived in council housing, p'd the lot up against the wall, they would go into a care home and their keep would be paid for them.

"Most have a decent pension." Another example of ignorance. There were precious few firms that had a pension scheme in the 60's. It was thanks to the work of the Unions that many businesses started such schemes, with a number also operating a 'share option' scheme. That came too late for many present-day pensioners.

"Don't have to pay for bus trave." Big deal! Many of them, because of their age and state of health are unable to take advantage anyway. Also, where are going? To visit relatives? With their finances, they are not going on a big spending spree.

loosehead wrote:

tennisaint wrote:
Pinched our airport now the Spitfire shame on you southampton Eastleigh forever

When the HELL did it become Eastleigh's Spitfire?
the original plane was a water plane ( supermarine) & would have definitely not flown from Southampton/Eastleig

h Airport so how the hell is it your plane?

A bit of topical information for you LH at RAF Museum Cosford. Museum unveils 'new' Spitfire
Reconnaissance PR. XIX PM651 is the latest addition to the aircraft collection at the Royal Air Force Museum Cosford. This rare reconnaissance Spitfire can now be seen on display in the Museum’s Warplanes Hangar standing next to a Hurricane and a Mk 1 Spitfire.

Ordered in 1943 as a Mk VII, the aircraft was eventually built by Vickers at Eastleigh as a PR. XIX and was not collected from them until November 1945. It never saw RAF Squadron service, instead operating Meteorological Research Temperature and Humidity flights from RAF Woodvale.
Spitfires were constructed at various local locations, but assembled and flown from Eastleigh. Did you know a small Company in the Isle of Wight is still constructing Spitfires? Mostly rebuilding existing aircraft.

ToastyTea wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
I just read the article again, I see now, this is for the benefit of cruise ship passengers not the people of Southampton, we cant even get a public toilet!!

Exactly it's a complete joke. Nobody on foot goes to that part of town so nobody will see it. Get Carnival to pay for it as the main cruise company in Soton as it's for the benefit of their passengers ffs.
What a waste of money.

Sorry, am I missing something here, the whole point of the projects being created, are to help regenerate the area and bring it into use by the Public. It is intended to drag people away from their Nintendo's, Apples, PC's e.t.c. to get them out of their places of residence and get some fresh air, and you never know they might learn something, and perhaps spend some money to help fund it.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
I just read the article again, I see now, this is for the benefit of cruise ship passengers not the people of Southampton, we cant even get a public toilet!!

Exactly it's a complete joke. Nobody on foot goes to that part of town so nobody will see it. Get Carnival to pay for it as the main cruise company in Soton as it's for the benefit of their passengers ffs.
What a waste of money.

Sorry, am I missing something here, the whole point of the projects being created, are to help regenerate the area and bring it into use by the Public. It is intended to drag people away from their Nintendo's, Apples, PC's e.t.c. to get them out of their places of residence and get some fresh air, and you never know they might learn something, and perhaps spend some money to help fund it.

Look at the area, people aren't going to start going down there monument or not. It's not a area worth regenerating and they are never going to spend enough on it to do it properly.
Lovely big car lot on one side aswell.

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself. . How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose! . Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city. . I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort. . Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

Sorry, I thought it was you that wrote, "OAPs are super rich, most own their own properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth £200k." Regardless of how much a house is worth, it is the OAP's home, that they have scrimped and saved for and have had to maintain over the years. It is only worth that amount when it is sold, and that is usually when the OAP dies - so they get no benefit from their prudence - or if they have to go into a care home. Then the money is taken to pay for their keep. Of course, if they had not been prudent, lived in council housing, p'd the lot up against the wall, they would go into a care home and their keep would be paid for them. "Most have a decent pension." Another example of ignorance. There were precious few firms that had a pension scheme in the 60's. It was thanks to the work of the Unions that many businesses started such schemes, with a number also operating a 'share option' scheme. That came too late for many present-day pensioners. "Don't have to pay for bus trave." Big deal! Many of them, because of their age and state of health are unable to take advantage anyway. Also, where are going? To visit relatives? With their finances, they are not going on a big spending spree.

If you want to talk about ignorance than it may surprise you that there is a lot higher percentage of under 65's in poverty than there is OAP's. Why because they took all the wealth. More percentage of OAP's will have a pension than anybody of this generation. They are the richest generation that have ever lived. The Unions that you speak of destroyed manufacturing in this country so left us little jobs because of constant picketing and sending firms out of business. Bus pass a big deal, give me a break it's not even a means tested benefit. Stop denying you have had it good. You have left us in the mess that their gran children are going to have to live in.

loosehead wrote:

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Personally like the concept but wish the actual spitfire had a restaurant/cafe inside instead of a statue. also would have liked it at the end of the woolston development as this is where it was built.
Cruise ships could see it & as a restaurant private money could have helped the build & the customers would have sat down to a lovely meal & a great view & see all the cruise ships.
they aren't using it for it's real potential

.. would be a rather small cafe, would it not?

Look at the picture with the scale model people - and then work out how many customers you could get 'inside' the spitfire, as you postulate. And the kitchen, staff, etc, etc?

Any one with half a brain would know what I meant but no you had to come back with this!
Of course I meant a bigger Spitfire with facilities for a Restaurant & yes a viewing platform.
I even said it to a councillor

.. oh, I see.

The spitfire has now got to be scaled up to full restaurant size.

So, about 50 to 100 times bigger - but still with the same elegant design?

Humm, do you think that is structurally possible? I don't.

But then, any one with only half a brain, as they say ....

Don't know what all the fuss is about, it won't happen unless the council pays for it.....On seconds thoughts that's exactly why it happen.....

The most appropriate location for this memorial is Mitchell's birth place, Kidsgrove.

Rob444 wrote:
The most appropriate location for this memorial is Mitchell's birth place, Kidsgrove.

Now you are Stoke ing up a new argument!

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

I can see how a statue is going to employ thousands of people, you are right! Fracking idiot!

All OAPs are super rich? thats excellent news, that must mean they are in council care homes for sh1ts and giggles haveing the most basic (even if it gets to that standard) of care. Or what about other vulnerable people who rely on care workers or social workers?

perhaps where you reside all elderly residents own big houses and have their maids do the house work, but i'm talking about the majority of people not the super elite who make up less than 1% of the population. So please go find some brains and common sense then educate yourself because at the moment you are contributing sweet-F-A.

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

I can see how a statue is going to employ thousands of people, you are right! Fracking idiot!

All OAPs are super rich? thats excellent news, that must mean they are in council care homes for sh1ts and giggles haveing the most basic (even if it gets to that standard) of care. Or what about other vulnerable people who rely on care workers or social workers?

perhaps where you reside all elderly residents own big houses and have their maids do the house work, but i'm talking about the majority of people not the super elite who make up less than 1% of the population. So please go find some brains and common sense then educate yourself because at the moment you are contributing sweet-F-A.

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself. . How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose! . Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city. . I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort. . Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

Sorry, I thought it was you that wrote, "OAPs are super rich, most own their own properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth £200k." Regardless of how much a house is worth, it is the OAP's home, that they have scrimped and saved for and have had to maintain over the years. It is only worth that amount when it is sold, and that is usually when the OAP dies - so they get no benefit from their prudence - or if they have to go into a care home. Then the money is taken to pay for their keep. Of course, if they had not been prudent, lived in council housing, p'd the lot up against the wall, they would go into a care home and their keep would be paid for them. "Most have a decent pension." Another example of ignorance. There were precious few firms that had a pension scheme in the 60's. It was thanks to the work of the Unions that many businesses started such schemes, with a number also operating a 'share option' scheme. That came too late for many present-day pensioners. "Don't have to pay for bus trave." Big deal! Many of them, because of their age and state of health are unable to take advantage anyway. Also, where are going? To visit relatives? With their finances, they are not going on a big spending spree.

If you want to talk about ignorance than it may surprise you that there is a lot higher percentage of under 65's in poverty than there is OAP's. Why because they took all the wealth. More percentage of OAP's will have a pension than anybody of this generation. They are the richest generation that have ever lived. The Unions that you speak of destroyed manufacturing in this country so left us little jobs because of constant picketing and sending firms out of business. Bus pass a big deal, give me a break it's not even a means tested benefit. Stop denying you have had it good. You have left us in the mess that their gran children are going to have to live in.

Salv - you are a complete a$$. You clearly live on another planet, had i known you were this retarded i would of let you continue thinking in your own unique way without debate. As it is plain for all to see, you havent a fracking clue...

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself. . How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose! . Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city. . I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort. . Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

Sorry, I thought it was you that wrote, "OAPs are super rich, most own their own properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth £200k." Regardless of how much a house is worth, it is the OAP's home, that they have scrimped and saved for and have had to maintain over the years. It is only worth that amount when it is sold, and that is usually when the OAP dies - so they get no benefit from their prudence - or if they have to go into a care home. Then the money is taken to pay for their keep. Of course, if they had not been prudent, lived in council housing, p'd the lot up against the wall, they would go into a care home and their keep would be paid for them. "Most have a decent pension." Another example of ignorance. There were precious few firms that had a pension scheme in the 60's. It was thanks to the work of the Unions that many businesses started such schemes, with a number also operating a 'share option' scheme. That came too late for many present-day pensioners. "Don't have to pay for bus trave." Big deal! Many of them, because of their age and state of health are unable to take advantage anyway. Also, where are going? To visit relatives? With their finances, they are not going on a big spending spree.

If you want to talk about ignorance than it may surprise you that there is a lot higher percentage of under 65's in poverty than there is OAP's. Why because they took all the wealth. More percentage of OAP's will have a pension than anybody of this generation. They are the richest generation that have ever lived. The Unions that you speak of destroyed manufacturing in this country so left us little jobs because of constant picketing and sending firms out of business. Bus pass a big deal, give me a break it's not even a means tested benefit. Stop denying you have had it good. You have left us in the mess that their gran children are going to have to live in.

Salv - you are a complete a$$. You clearly live on another planet, had i known you were this retarded i would of let you continue thinking in your own unique way without debate. As it is plain for all to see, you havent a fracking clue...

That's why I didn't respond.

Linesman wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself. . How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose! . Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city. . I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort. . Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

Sorry, I thought it was you that wrote, "OAPs are super rich, most own their own properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth £200k." Regardless of how much a house is worth, it is the OAP's home, that they have scrimped and saved for and have had to maintain over the years. It is only worth that amount when it is sold, and that is usually when the OAP dies - so they get no benefit from their prudence - or if they have to go into a care home. Then the money is taken to pay for their keep. Of course, if they had not been prudent, lived in council housing, p'd the lot up against the wall, they would go into a care home and their keep would be paid for them. "Most have a decent pension." Another example of ignorance. There were precious few firms that had a pension scheme in the 60's. It was thanks to the work of the Unions that many businesses started such schemes, with a number also operating a 'share option' scheme. That came too late for many present-day pensioners. "Don't have to pay for bus trave." Big deal! Many of them, because of their age and state of health are unable to take advantage anyway. Also, where are going? To visit relatives? With their finances, they are not going on a big spending spree.

If you want to talk about ignorance than it may surprise you that there is a lot higher percentage of under 65's in poverty than there is OAP's. Why because they took all the wealth. More percentage of OAP's will have a pension than anybody of this generation. They are the richest generation that have ever lived. The Unions that you speak of destroyed manufacturing in this country so left us little jobs because of constant picketing and sending firms out of business. Bus pass a big deal, give me a break it's not even a means tested benefit. Stop denying you have had it good. You have left us in the mess that their gran children are going to have to live in.

Salv - you are a complete a$$. You clearly live on another planet, had i known you were this retarded i would of let you continue thinking in your own unique way without debate. As it is plain for all to see, you havent a fracking clue...

That's why I didn't respond.

Salv is basically right! The baby boomers are the best off pensioners EVER!
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However, their grandchildren and there children's children are in for a rough ride thanks to the last government's crass over-spending, fuelling of a Housing Bubble and of a Credit Bubble - all of which has gone belly up and BUST!

Great idea for a Spitfire tribute project. The design looks very exciting, and so long as it's funded by private money, then I'm all for it. Bring it on!

George4th wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself. . How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose! . Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city. . I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort. . Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

Sorry, I thought it was you that wrote, "OAPs are super rich, most own their own properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth £200k." Regardless of how much a house is worth, it is the OAP's home, that they have scrimped and saved for and have had to maintain over the years. It is only worth that amount when it is sold, and that is usually when the OAP dies - so they get no benefit from their prudence - or if they have to go into a care home. Then the money is taken to pay for their keep. Of course, if they had not been prudent, lived in council housing, p'd the lot up against the wall, they would go into a care home and their keep would be paid for them. "Most have a decent pension." Another example of ignorance. There were precious few firms that had a pension scheme in the 60's. It was thanks to the work of the Unions that many businesses started such schemes, with a number also operating a 'share option' scheme. That came too late for many present-day pensioners. "Don't have to pay for bus trave." Big deal! Many of them, because of their age and state of health are unable to take advantage anyway. Also, where are going? To visit relatives? With their finances, they are not going on a big spending spree.

If you want to talk about ignorance than it may surprise you that there is a lot higher percentage of under 65's in poverty than there is OAP's. Why because they took all the wealth. More percentage of OAP's will have a pension than anybody of this generation. They are the richest generation that have ever lived. The Unions that you speak of destroyed manufacturing in this country so left us little jobs because of constant picketing and sending firms out of business. Bus pass a big deal, give me a break it's not even a means tested benefit. Stop denying you have had it good. You have left us in the mess that their gran children are going to have to live in.

Salv - you are a complete a$$. You clearly live on another planet, had i known you were this retarded i would of let you continue thinking in your own unique way without debate. As it is plain for all to see, you havent a fracking clue...

That's why I didn't respond.

Salv is basically right! The baby boomers are the best off pensioners EVER!
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However, their grandchildren and there children's children are in for a rough ride thanks to the last government's crass over-spending, fuelling of a Housing Bubble and of a Credit Bubble - all of which has gone belly up and BUST!

Being the 'best off pensioners' does not mean that pensioners are well off. As everyone else's standard has improved over the years, isn't it reasonable that the pensioners' situation also improves? Let's face it, it is their taxes that have paid for the current generation's education and health care.

With regard your claim about the last government's crass over-spending, perhaps you would explain what benefits the country has to show for the money raised by the sell-off of British Aerospace, Cable&Wireless, North Sea Oil, British Gas, British Airways, British Steel, British Coal and British Rail - all sold by your beloved Tories before Labour came to power in 1997.

Of course, they screwed up in 1992, and lost one hell of a load of money on Black Wednesday - 16 September, 1992 - but I expect you have conveniently forgotten about that.

That was a financial disaster of the Tories' own making. No US banking collapse to blame, just Tory financial incompetence.

Linesman wrote:

George4th wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Salv wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

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The Salv wrote: Lets get this built, all for any other improvements to the city also. . Dont let overpaid public sector workers get in the way of making the city a better place. . Im doing fine so it will be a great addition to the city for me to enjoy.

T1T!

Stop holding the city to ransom and keeping it stuck in the past. Allow it to regenerate, stop being so selfish.

Did you not read your own post? I can see how my comments towards saving public services to the elderly is totally selfish. clearly your one of the highly educated posters on the echo site... What needs to be held is the reigns on the decision makers as they run off in a direction going 'great' but without thinking about other factors. I didnt say it was a wrong to honour the spitfire just wrong for this econimical time, or should we just through the OAPs onto the street sell their care homes and build statues for pidgeons to deficate on! Absolute douche!

Spend some money making Southampton a nicer place to live. Will create some jobs in the process. . OAP's are super rich, most own their properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth 200k. Most have decent pensions and also dont have to pay for bus travel! Crazy. Think you meant throw OAP's on the street btw they would be more than willing to see another war memorial, they love it.

Some times it is better to say nothing, and let people think that you are ignorant, rather than say something that confirms it. The youngest OAPs were born just after WWII, and during their working life had precious little, because their wages were small. In the early 60s I had to work overtime to take home £10, and that overtime was only available every other week and the firm had no pension fund either. In those days it was not a 'throw away' society, but a time when things were not thrown out until they were worn out. If you wanted something, you saved for it, and there was no such thing as a credit card. Ordinary working folk did not have a bank account because they were paid in cash, and those that did have one, put on their best suit to see the bank manager if they wanted a loan. When asking for the loan, you had to practically convince him that you did not need it! Fast food was a sandwich. There was frozen food available, but most working class people used fresh vegetables and prepared food at home. Many of the kids that I went to school with had one parent. Not because of a lax moral standard, but because their father went to war and did not return. Perhaps that is why they appreciate a war memorial because they know what a sacrifice that those people made and they appreciate it, unlike some people who mock them on sites like this. They are the ones who wear their poppy with pride, and appreciate the truth in the words "they gave their yesterday so that we have our today."

What are you going on about Linesman, you have read one thing and made a complete assumption and tit of yourself. . How on earth did you come to the conclussion that we are mocking them? Whatever tablets you are taking, double the dose! . Seems like you are having a swipe at the non OAP demographic of the city. . I want this built and have a lasting memorial for all that gave their life's in the war effort. . Now get of that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself. Do you spend all day waiting in hope to copy and paste that speech of yours? Well an epic fail by you today, go put on your pipe and slippers.

Sorry, I thought it was you that wrote, "OAPs are super rich, most own their own properties, probably paid £1k to £10k for their house which would be worth £200k." Regardless of how much a house is worth, it is the OAP's home, that they have scrimped and saved for and have had to maintain over the years. It is only worth that amount when it is sold, and that is usually when the OAP dies - so they get no benefit from their prudence - or if they have to go into a care home. Then the money is taken to pay for their keep. Of course, if they had not been prudent, lived in council housing, p'd the lot up against the wall, they would go into a care home and their keep would be paid for them. "Most have a decent pension." Another example of ignorance. There were precious few firms that had a pension scheme in the 60's. It was thanks to the work of the Unions that many businesses started such schemes, with a number also operating a 'share option' scheme. That came too late for many present-day pensioners. "Don't have to pay for bus trave." Big deal! Many of them, because of their age and state of health are unable to take advantage anyway. Also, where are going? To visit relatives? With their finances, they are not going on a big spending spree.

If you want to talk about ignorance than it may surprise you that there is a lot higher percentage of under 65's in poverty than there is OAP's. Why because they took all the wealth. More percentage of OAP's will have a pension than anybody of this generation. They are the richest generation that have ever lived. The Unions that you speak of destroyed manufacturing in this country so left us little jobs because of constant picketing and sending firms out of business. Bus pass a big deal, give me a break it's not even a means tested benefit. Stop denying you have had it good. You have left us in the mess that their gran children are going to have to live in.

Salv - you are a complete a$$. You clearly live on another planet, had i known you were this retarded i would of let you continue thinking in your own unique way without debate. As it is plain for all to see, you havent a fracking clue...

That's why I didn't respond.

Salv is basically right! The baby boomers are the best off pensioners EVER!
>
However, their grandchildren and there children's children are in for a rough ride thanks to the last government's crass over-spending, fuelling of a Housing Bubble and of a Credit Bubble - all of which has gone belly up and BUST!

Being the 'best off pensioners' does not mean that pensioners are well off. As everyone else's standard has improved over the years, isn't it reasonable that the pensioners' situation also improves? Let's face it, it is their taxes that have paid for the current generation's education and health care.

With regard your claim about the last government's crass over-spending, perhaps you would explain what benefits the country has to show for the money raised by the sell-off of British Aerospace, Cable&Wireless, North Sea Oil, British Gas, British Airways, British Steel, British Coal and British Rail - all sold by your beloved Tories before Labour came to power in 1997.

Of course, they screwed up in 1992, and lost one hell of a load of money on Black Wednesday - 16 September, 1992 - but I expect you have conveniently forgotten about that.

That was a financial disaster of the Tories' own making. No US banking collapse to blame, just Tory financial incompetence.

Do you not remember how much money was put into those industries by the tax payer for the likes of Scargill to take his men out on strike & hold the country to ransom or the power workers to plunge us into darkness & put us on a three day week or out of work?
Or the dockies who stopped our exports & imports & who lost this city a huge amount of container business to the non union Felixstowe My what short memories people have