Royston Smith describes shooting of Lieutenant Commander Ian Molyneux by Ryan Donovan on board HMS Astute in Southampton

City leader 'thought he'd been shot' by sub gunman

Lieutenant Commander Ian Molyneux with widow Gillian

Royston Smith alongside HMS Astute

First published in Crime Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

A TOP Southampton politician revealed how he thought he had been shot as he tackled a crazed gunman on board a nuclear submarine berthed in the city.

Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith told an inquest how he rushed at Able Seaman Ryan Donovan before wrestling the gun from him.

Lieutenant Commander Ian Molyneux died when the sailor, who had been acting as sentry on HMS Astute, fired a single rifle shot into his head from close range.

Cllr Smith, who was Southampton City Council leader at the time, told Southampton Coroner’s Court how he helped overpower the gunman, who is currently serving at least 25 years in prison for murder.

Cllr Smith, who served for 10 years as an RAF aircraft engineer, told the inquest how he was in the control room of the submarine when Donovan entered briefly before leaving again.

He said: ''Donovan did come in very briefly into the control room but it was very briefly.

''Looking back on it, you might think it was quite unusual as his weapon had a magazine on it which you would never expect on a ship or a submarine.''
 

Cllr Smith, recalled how he then heard shots from the corridor.
 

He said: ''The first one I thought was an accident, when I heard the second I thought you do not release two rounds by accident - when that happened I knew something was wrong.''
 

Cllr Smith said that Lt Cdr Molyneux then "walked briskly" from the control room to see what was happening.
 

He added: ''There were some shots, Mr Molyneux left the control room, there was that shout, then Donovan came back into the control room.

''I definitely knew we were in some trouble.

"He had a lot of rounds left in that weapon. I assumed he would continue until someone stopped him and I had a duty to do that.

“I knew that if I could get close to him he couldn’t shoot me, but when I heard a shot in those circumstances and you feel a rush of heat which is probably adrenaline, it feels like you have been shot, and I thought I had been.”

Cllr Smith gave his version of events after a harrowing audio recording of the incident was played to the court.

Four gun shots were heard among shouts from members of the crew.

Lt Cdr Molyneux’s widow Gillian bowed her head and put her hand to her mouth as the recording was heard by the jury.

Proceeding.

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11:38am Thu 3 Jan 13

Likesadrink says...

Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along. Likesadrink
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12:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13

aldermoorboy says...

Southy must say sorry if he ever wants to be taken seriously.
Southy must say sorry if he ever wants to be taken seriously. aldermoorboy
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12:21pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Ford Prefect says...

While I completely disagree with Royston Smith politically, he certainly acted very bravely that day.
While I completely disagree with Royston Smith politically, he certainly acted very bravely that day. Ford Prefect
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1:02pm Thu 3 Jan 13

southy says...

Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors. southy
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1:29pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Likesadrink says...

Isn't it rather convenient that "not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors". Basically you are saying this inquest is a sham and should not be going ahead? Surely the Echo should investigate this and ask why they are being banned from part of the inquest? That is a disgrace and in a democracy completely unacceptable to keep a young man's family in the dark for part of the inquest!

However, Southy I suggest that at the time you were looking for a cheap way to politically point score, were probably actually embarrassed that a "Tory toff" could show such courage in the face a life threatening situation and, completely ignoring the impact your inflammatory comments could have on the deceased's family, decided to make up a tale of a Government cover up. Look, I'm no Tory, I'm Southampton born and bred, however I take my hat off to Royston, he was clearly incredibly brave and probably saved lives (including his own). To use this tragedy to score political points or pursue a personal agenda completely ruined your credibility with me and many others on here. Until you apologise I don't think you'll ever retain it.
Isn't it rather convenient that "not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors". Basically you are saying this inquest is a sham and should not be going ahead? Surely the Echo should investigate this and ask why they are being banned from part of the inquest? That is a disgrace and in a democracy completely unacceptable to keep a young man's family in the dark for part of the inquest! However, Southy I suggest that at the time you were looking for a cheap way to politically point score, were probably actually embarrassed that a "Tory toff" could show such courage in the face a life threatening situation and, completely ignoring the impact your inflammatory comments could have on the deceased's family, decided to make up a tale of a Government cover up. Look, I'm no Tory, I'm Southampton born and bred, however I take my hat off to Royston, he was clearly incredibly brave and probably saved lives (including his own). To use this tragedy to score political points or pursue a personal agenda completely ruined your credibility with me and many others on here. Until you apologise I don't think you'll ever retain it. Likesadrink
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2:01pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Completely unencumbered by the thought process, he ploughs his unique furrow of stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Completely unencumbered by the thought process, he ploughs his unique furrow of stupidity. Torchie1
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2:19pm Thu 3 Jan 13

southy says...

Likesadrink wrote:
Isn't it rather convenient that "not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors". Basically you are saying this inquest is a sham and should not be going ahead? Surely the Echo should investigate this and ask why they are being banned from part of the inquest? That is a disgrace and in a democracy completely unacceptable to keep a young man's family in the dark for part of the inquest!

However, Southy I suggest that at the time you were looking for a cheap way to politically point score, were probably actually embarrassed that a "Tory toff" could show such courage in the face a life threatening situation and, completely ignoring the impact your inflammatory comments could have on the deceased's family, decided to make up a tale of a Government cover up. Look, I'm no Tory, I'm Southampton born and bred, however I take my hat off to Royston, he was clearly incredibly brave and probably saved lives (including his own). To use this tragedy to score political points or pursue a personal agenda completely ruined your credibility with me and many others on here. Until you apologise I don't think you'll ever retain it.
Have you ever been one these courts, I been to 11 in my life time so far some have been civy some have been military and I can tell you now when there there is a mix, not all the military edvience will be heard in public.
And I have no reason to apologise i was not going for political points there is no need for me to go fore them yet, and your credibility and the very few others do not matter that much your to small in minority.
Royston did use this oppertunity to push his career along, to many people know this in southampton and way to many people have commented on about his desires to get infront of the press that day before speaking to the investgation team and telling them. It should be talk to the investgation team first then talk to the press, the Chef exc done the right thing and the right way about it, who was the another person involved. and there was 2 more involved whos names will never get shown to the public.
[quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Isn't it rather convenient that "not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors". Basically you are saying this inquest is a sham and should not be going ahead? Surely the Echo should investigate this and ask why they are being banned from part of the inquest? That is a disgrace and in a democracy completely unacceptable to keep a young man's family in the dark for part of the inquest! However, Southy I suggest that at the time you were looking for a cheap way to politically point score, were probably actually embarrassed that a "Tory toff" could show such courage in the face a life threatening situation and, completely ignoring the impact your inflammatory comments could have on the deceased's family, decided to make up a tale of a Government cover up. Look, I'm no Tory, I'm Southampton born and bred, however I take my hat off to Royston, he was clearly incredibly brave and probably saved lives (including his own). To use this tragedy to score political points or pursue a personal agenda completely ruined your credibility with me and many others on here. Until you apologise I don't think you'll ever retain it.[/p][/quote]Have you ever been one these courts, I been to 11 in my life time so far some have been civy some have been military and I can tell you now when there there is a mix, not all the military edvience will be heard in public. And I have no reason to apologise i was not going for political points there is no need for me to go fore them yet, and your credibility and the very few others do not matter that much your to small in minority. Royston did use this oppertunity to push his career along, to many people know this in southampton and way to many people have commented on about his desires to get infront of the press that day before speaking to the investgation team and telling them. It should be talk to the investgation team first then talk to the press, the Chef exc done the right thing and the right way about it, who was the another person involved. and there was 2 more involved whos names will never get shown to the public. southy
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2:50pm Thu 3 Jan 13

richieroo says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Completely unencumbered by the thought process, he ploughs his unique furrow of stupidity.
LMFAO. I think that just about sums him up!. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Completely unencumbered by the thought process, he ploughs his unique furrow of stupidity.[/p][/quote]LMFAO. I think that just about sums him up!. :-) richieroo
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3:02pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Just A Voice says...

southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him. Just A Voice
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3:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Dasal says...

Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Well summed up.

Southy will never admit he was in the wrong, but it would seem that more people than he would like to think remembers his comments at the time, and think they were out of order.

They can't all be wrong southy. Time to bite the bullet and apologise, I think.
[quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Well summed up. Southy will never admit he was in the wrong, but it would seem that more people than he would like to think remembers his comments at the time, and think they were out of order. They can't all be wrong southy. Time to bite the bullet and apologise, I think. Dasal
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3:56pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Dasal says...

Dasal wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Well summed up. Southy will never admit he was in the wrong, but it would seem that more people than he would like to think remembers his comments at the time, and think they were out of order. They can't all be wrong southy. Time to bite the bullet and apologise, I think.
Time to bite the bullet

Bad choice of words there completely accidental

My sincere apologies to all.
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Well summed up. Southy will never admit he was in the wrong, but it would seem that more people than he would like to think remembers his comments at the time, and think they were out of order. They can't all be wrong southy. Time to bite the bullet and apologise, I think.[/p][/quote]Time to bite the bullet Bad choice of words there completely accidental My sincere apologies to all. Dasal
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3:58pm Thu 3 Jan 13

southy says...

Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points.
1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base.
2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections.
3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in.
4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.
[quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points. 1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base. 2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections. 3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in. 4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party. southy
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4:06pm Thu 3 Jan 13

southy says...

Dasal I did not do any political scoring as these people are saying, I will agree that 1 or 2 on this did, but that came from the Labour lot.
I just told what I had knew at the time, and I had said at the Time Royston was Not the only person involve, as it was proved to be I was right there was others involved also.
Dasal I did not do any political scoring as these people are saying, I will agree that 1 or 2 on this did, but that came from the Labour lot. I just told what I had knew at the time, and I had said at the Time Royston was Not the only person involve, as it was proved to be I was right there was others involved also. southy
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4:47pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
At no time did Smith himself claim he was the only one involved. So to suggest that the involvement of others was something that would somehow subsequently come out is nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]At no time did Smith himself claim he was the only one involved. So to suggest that the involvement of others was something that would somehow subsequently come out is nonsense. Stephen J
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5:12pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Likesadrink says...

Also the report says they played an audio recording of the incident. Southy, are you suggesting that the government have edited this audio to make it sounds like Royston did everything on his own?

Also, one question. Do you think Smith acted with selfless bravery in doing what he did (even if your conspiracy theory that he merely put the boot in after 2 others had already dealt with the gun man is 1% true)?
Also the report says they played an audio recording of the incident. Southy, are you suggesting that the government have edited this audio to make it sounds like Royston did everything on his own? Also, one question. Do you think Smith acted with selfless bravery in doing what he did (even if your conspiracy theory that he merely put the boot in after 2 others had already dealt with the gun man is 1% true)? Likesadrink
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5:37pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points.
1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base.
2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections.
3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in.
4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.
'A strong Labour ward' where the Conservatives take three or four times as many votes as Tusc on the two occasions that poor old Southy has represented the trailing party. Only a blind man or an idiot would see any rosy prospects there.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points. 1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base. 2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections. 3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in. 4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]'A strong Labour ward' where the Conservatives take three or four times as many votes as Tusc on the two occasions that poor old Southy has represented the trailing party. Only a blind man or an idiot would see any rosy prospects there. Torchie1
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5:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

kingnotail says...

southy wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points.
1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base.
2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections.
3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in.
4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.
If you improve your spelling, grammar and punctuation then I am sure more people will bother to read through your rambling diatribes.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points. 1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base. 2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections. 3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in. 4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]If you improve your spelling, grammar and punctuation then I am sure more people will bother to read through your rambling diatribes. kingnotail
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5:52pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Just A Voice says...

southy wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points.
1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base.
2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections.
3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in.
4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.
Please give it a rest, it's boring now or better still go ask Simon Letts to pull some candidates out of election race..bye bye Southy bye bye
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points. 1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base. 2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections. 3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in. 4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Please give it a rest, it's boring now or better still go ask Simon Letts to pull some candidates out of election race..bye bye Southy bye bye Just A Voice
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5:53pm Thu 3 Jan 13

bigfella777 says...

Royston should get a medal for this unselfish act of gallantry.
He should also be given the key to the city for everything he did for us while in power especially trying to safeguard jobs and families.
He is a jolly decent fellow unlike liar Williams.
Royston should get a medal for this unselfish act of gallantry. He should also be given the key to the city for everything he did for us while in power especially trying to safeguard jobs and families. He is a jolly decent fellow unlike liar Williams. bigfella777
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7:24pm Thu 3 Jan 13

southampton999 says...

A man died here and it would appear that this whole board is descending into a discussion about what a sad old muppet called Southy has been wittering on about. He is irrelevant, direspectful and up his own arse. So don't get wound up by his stupid opinions. R.I.P. Ian Molyneux.
A man died here and it would appear that this whole board is descending into a discussion about what a sad old muppet called Southy has been wittering on about. He is irrelevant, direspectful and up his own arse. So don't get wound up by his stupid opinions. R.I.P. Ian Molyneux. southampton999
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8:40pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Lone Ranger. says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Royston should get a medal for this unselfish act of gallantry.
He should also be given the key to the city for everything he did for us while in power especially trying to safeguard jobs and families.
He is a jolly decent fellow unlike liar Williams.
He did get a deserved medal for gallantry.
.
The rest of your post is open to debate
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Royston should get a medal for this unselfish act of gallantry. He should also be given the key to the city for everything he did for us while in power especially trying to safeguard jobs and families. He is a jolly decent fellow unlike liar Williams.[/p][/quote]He did get a deserved medal for gallantry. . The rest of your post is open to debate Lone Ranger.
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8:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

Anyone who tackles (or takes part in tackling) a gunman is brave. But Royston cannot help himself in 'spoiling' his 'selfless' act. Firstly he discusses it with the media immediately afterwards when he has been told not to, potentially comprimising a murder investigation. then at the inquest has to add drama 'I thought I'd been shot'. I'm sure Royston Smith has a very thick skin and is not too bright in the top floor department, but, even he would know if he had been shot at close range with a high powered rifle.....
Anyone who tackles (or takes part in tackling) a gunman is brave. But Royston cannot help himself in 'spoiling' his 'selfless' act. Firstly he discusses it with the media immediately afterwards when he has been told not to, potentially comprimising a murder investigation. then at the inquest has to add drama 'I thought I'd been shot'. I'm sure Royston Smith has a very thick skin and is not too bright in the top floor department, but, even he would know if he had been shot at close range with a high powered rifle..... thinklikealocal
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9:24pm Thu 3 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Anyone who tackles (or takes part in tackling) a gunman is brave. But Royston cannot help himself in 'spoiling' his 'selfless' act. Firstly he discusses it with the media immediately afterwards when he has been told not to, potentially comprimising a murder investigation. then at the inquest has to add drama 'I thought I'd been shot'. I'm sure Royston Smith has a very thick skin and is not too bright in the top floor department, but, even he would know if he had been shot at close range with a high powered rifle.....
I doubt that - you would probably still be running in the other direction even now you lowlife nob
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: Anyone who tackles (or takes part in tackling) a gunman is brave. But Royston cannot help himself in 'spoiling' his 'selfless' act. Firstly he discusses it with the media immediately afterwards when he has been told not to, potentially comprimising a murder investigation. then at the inquest has to add drama 'I thought I'd been shot'. I'm sure Royston Smith has a very thick skin and is not too bright in the top floor department, but, even he would know if he had been shot at close range with a high powered rifle.....[/p][/quote]I doubt that - you would probably still be running in the other direction even now you lowlife nob andysaints007
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9:43pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote: Anyone who tackles (or takes part in tackling) a gunman is brave. But Royston cannot help himself in 'spoiling' his 'selfless' act. Firstly he discusses it with the media immediately afterwards when he has been told not to, potentially comprimising a murder investigation. then at the inquest has to add drama 'I thought I'd been shot'. I'm sure Royston Smith has a very thick skin and is not too bright in the top floor department, but, even he would know if he had been shot at close range with a high powered rifle.....
I doubt that - you would probably still be running in the other direction even now you lowlife nob
Sorry what is it you doubt? I know someone who shot a person in the head at close range, there was no head left, it was scattered for 5 meters in all directions. I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: Anyone who tackles (or takes part in tackling) a gunman is brave. But Royston cannot help himself in 'spoiling' his 'selfless' act. Firstly he discusses it with the media immediately afterwards when he has been told not to, potentially comprimising a murder investigation. then at the inquest has to add drama 'I thought I'd been shot'. I'm sure Royston Smith has a very thick skin and is not too bright in the top floor department, but, even he would know if he had been shot at close range with a high powered rifle.....[/p][/quote]I doubt that - you would probably still be running in the other direction even now you lowlife nob[/p][/quote]Sorry what is it you doubt? I know someone who shot a person in the head at close range, there was no head left, it was scattered for 5 meters in all directions. I rest my case. thinklikealocal
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9:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

thats not what he said though you donut
thats not what he said though you donut andysaints007
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10:07pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

andysaints007 wrote:
thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying? thinklikealocal
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10:13pm Thu 3 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!! andysaints007
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10:17pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me.... thinklikealocal
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10:19pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
To be perfectly clear, what is it he doubts?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....[/p][/quote]To be perfectly clear, what is it he doubts? thinklikealocal
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10:20pm Thu 3 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....[/p][/quote]You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick! andysaints007
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10:26pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick!
It's not Roystons conduct during the incident' I question, it's his conduct since. His conduct with the media, inexcusable and selfish, his conduct at the inquest, dramatic and attention seeking. in my opinion of course. and by the way, yes I have been to a press conference and an inquest.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....[/p][/quote]You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick![/p][/quote]It's not Roystons conduct during the incident' I question, it's his conduct since. His conduct with the media, inexcusable and selfish, his conduct at the inquest, dramatic and attention seeking. in my opinion of course. and by the way, yes I have been to a press conference and an inquest. thinklikealocal
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10:30pm Thu 3 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick!
It's not Roystons conduct during the incident' I question, it's his conduct since. His conduct with the media, inexcusable and selfish, his conduct at the inquest, dramatic and attention seeking. in my opinion of course. and by the way, yes I have been to a press conference and an inquest.
If he tackled 100 gunmen you would still moan about him cos he is 'blue' - you are boring me now
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....[/p][/quote]You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick![/p][/quote]It's not Roystons conduct during the incident' I question, it's his conduct since. His conduct with the media, inexcusable and selfish, his conduct at the inquest, dramatic and attention seeking. in my opinion of course. and by the way, yes I have been to a press conference and an inquest.[/p][/quote]If he tackled 100 gunmen you would still moan about him cos he is 'blue' - you are boring me now andysaints007
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10:40pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick!
It's not Roystons conduct during the incident' I question, it's his conduct since. His conduct with the media, inexcusable and selfish, his conduct at the inquest, dramatic and attention seeking. in my opinion of course. and by the way, yes I have been to a press conference and an inquest.
If he tackled 100 gunmen you would still moan about him cos he is 'blue' - you are boring me now
I don't like Royston, not because he's a Tory, persay, but because he is a shameless self promoter and media spinner. This case is bloody tragic for all concerned but he just couldn't help himself, and yes, that reeeaaally grates. You will note i paid my respects to the act itself.....
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....[/p][/quote]You have never been in that situation so how you can say anything about it just makes you look and sound like a dick![/p][/quote]It's not Roystons conduct during the incident' I question, it's his conduct since. His conduct with the media, inexcusable and selfish, his conduct at the inquest, dramatic and attention seeking. in my opinion of course. and by the way, yes I have been to a press conference and an inquest.[/p][/quote]If he tackled 100 gunmen you would still moan about him cos he is 'blue' - you are boring me now[/p][/quote]I don't like Royston, not because he's a Tory, persay, but because he is a shameless self promoter and media spinner. This case is bloody tragic for all concerned but he just couldn't help himself, and yes, that reeeaaally grates. You will note i paid my respects to the act itself..... thinklikealocal
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10:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

arthur boutfaith says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
How old are you now? 10? 11?
Knob
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....[/p][/quote]How old are you now? 10? 11? Knob arthur boutfaith
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10:48pm Thu 3 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

arthur boutfaith wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
andysaints007 wrote: thats not what he said though you donut
Well what was he saying?
Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!!
I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....
How old are you now? 10? 11? Knob
Using rude words to a child? Shame on you....
[quote][p][bold]arthur boutfaith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: thats not what he said though you donut[/p][/quote]Well what was he saying?[/p][/quote]Can't you read properly then? It's there in black and white !!![/p][/quote]I can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me....[/p][/quote]How old are you now? 10? 11? Knob[/p][/quote]Using rude words to a child? Shame on you.... thinklikealocal
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11:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13

J.P.M says...

Very amusing:-
" can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me...."

Would of told me......
ha ha ha ha ha LOL
Very amusing:- " can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me...." Would of told me...... ha ha ha ha ha LOL J.P.M
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11:11pm Thu 3 Jan 13

J.P.M says...

I think however that there IS a cover-up.
But it is probably over Royston's head.....
ha ha ha ha ha
I think however that there IS a cover-up. But it is probably over Royston's head..... ha ha ha ha ha J.P.M
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11:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13

southampton999 says...

J.P.M wrote:
Very amusing:-
" can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me...."

Would of told me......
ha ha ha ha ha LOL
Haha well spotted.
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M[/bold] wrote: Very amusing:- " can read perfectly well thanks (when i was 8 had a reading age 16 plus). Just not sure what his point was, not sure you are either cos you would of told me...." Would of told me...... ha ha ha ha ha LOL[/p][/quote]Haha well spotted. southampton999
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11:39am Fri 4 Jan 13

southy says...

J.P.M wrote:
I think however that there IS a cover-up.
But it is probably over Royston's head.....
ha ha ha ha ha
Not nice to slap head JMP
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M[/bold] wrote: I think however that there IS a cover-up. But it is probably over Royston's head..... ha ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]Not nice to slap head JMP southy
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11:46am Fri 4 Jan 13

southy says...

kingnotail wrote:
southy wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points.
1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base.
2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections.
3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in.
4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.
If you improve your spelling, grammar and punctuation then I am sure more people will bother to read through your rambling diatribes.
Your problem right. but saddly my english is poor, but i excel in other fields.
You find peopeke whos Maths and English are spot on fail in other fields very badly.
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points. 1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base. 2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections. 3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in. 4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]If you improve your spelling, grammar and punctuation then I am sure more people will bother to read through your rambling diatribes.[/p][/quote]Your problem right. but saddly my english is poor, but i excel in other fields. You find peopeke whos Maths and English are spot on fail in other fields very badly. southy
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11:56am Fri 4 Jan 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
At no time did Smith himself claim he was the only one involved. So to suggest that the involvement of others was something that would somehow subsequently come out is nonsense.
And it did both Smithy and the chef exc of the city council both got awarded medals for there bravery, 2 RN personal was also awarded.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]At no time did Smith himself claim he was the only one involved. So to suggest that the involvement of others was something that would somehow subsequently come out is nonsense.[/p][/quote]And it did both Smithy and the chef exc of the city council both got awarded medals for there bravery, 2 RN personal was also awarded. southy
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12:32pm Fri 4 Jan 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points.
1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base.
2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections.
3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in.
4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.
'A strong Labour ward' where the Conservatives take three or four times as many votes as Tusc on the two occasions that poor old Southy has represented the trailing party. Only a blind man or an idiot would see any rosy prospects there.
Yes it is a very strong Labour ward and its very much Unite and Unison rank and file that lives in the Redbridge ward.
The only time the Torys can win here is when there is a back lash against the Labour party when Labour voters don't vote, like what happen in 2009 local election and let in a Tory paper candidate.
And where I increase more votes on the election before, 4th on the first time out, 3rd on the second time out pushing the Lib/dems into 4th place.
Nect time theres a back lash against the Labour Party no Tory Paper Candidate win win, it will be who ever is standing for the TUSC at the time.

And this is what scares you lot on the far right, Torys not picking up votes when there is a Labour back lash.
Only blund or an idiot would think the way you do, any one with knowledge knows it takes time to build a base and it do not happen ober night like you seem to it do
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points. 1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base. 2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections. 3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in. 4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]'A strong Labour ward' where the Conservatives take three or four times as many votes as Tusc on the two occasions that poor old Southy has represented the trailing party. Only a blind man or an idiot would see any rosy prospects there.[/p][/quote]Yes it is a very strong Labour ward and its very much Unite and Unison rank and file that lives in the Redbridge ward. The only time the Torys can win here is when there is a back lash against the Labour party when Labour voters don't vote, like what happen in 2009 local election and let in a Tory paper candidate. And where I increase more votes on the election before, 4th on the first time out, 3rd on the second time out pushing the Lib/dems into 4th place. Nect time theres a back lash against the Labour Party no Tory Paper Candidate win win, it will be who ever is standing for the TUSC at the time. And this is what scares you lot on the far right, Torys not picking up votes when there is a Labour back lash. Only blund or an idiot would think the way you do, any one with knowledge knows it takes time to build a base and it do not happen ober night like you seem to it do southy
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1:35pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:
southy wrote:
Likesadrink wrote:
Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.
I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public.
And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy.
And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.
Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself.

I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.
Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points.
1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base.
2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections.
3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in.
4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.
'A strong Labour ward' where the Conservatives take three or four times as many votes as Tusc on the two occasions that poor old Southy has represented the trailing party. Only a blind man or an idiot would see any rosy prospects there.
Yes it is a very strong Labour ward and its very much Unite and Unison rank and file that lives in the Redbridge ward.
The only time the Torys can win here is when there is a back lash against the Labour party when Labour voters don't vote, like what happen in 2009 local election and let in a Tory paper candidate.
And where I increase more votes on the election before, 4th on the first time out, 3rd on the second time out pushing the Lib/dems into 4th place.
Nect time theres a back lash against the Labour Party no Tory Paper Candidate win win, it will be who ever is standing for the TUSC at the time.

And this is what scares you lot on the far right, Torys not picking up votes when there is a Labour back lash.
Only blund or an idiot would think the way you do, any one with knowledge knows it takes time to build a base and it do not happen ober night like you seem to it do
Is there an interpreter in the house ?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just A Voice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Likesadrink[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to reading the resident Echo nutter, Southy's, response to this. Seem to remember him disrespecting the dead victim's family on here by suggesting the Tory government made up the whole "Smith tackled gunman" as a propaganda exercise. Making stuff up like that is deeply offensive to all involved. Glad this is a public hearing so the truth can come out, well actually be confirmed as most sane people know it was the truth all along.[/p][/quote]I have never disrespected the dead victims family so stop telling lies, all i have said that was more to this than what would be release to the general public. And I did not say it was all made up propaganda exercise that is a lie also from you, I said at the time Smith was not the only one who tackled the gunman and he was not the first to tackle the man, there was others involved to smiths statement put him on the wrong side of the mapping bench to the gun man, and since that sad day it as been amitted that there was others involved, and it was not all down to smithy. And not all the information will be said infront of the public, some of it will be behind closed doors.[/p][/quote]Sometimes Pete (Southy) Wyatt is better not saying at all, than trying to justify yourself. I vaguely remember you trying to score political points from Smithy, I don't like Royston or his politics however he acted in a brave fashion and fair play to him.[/p][/quote]Dont lie I did not, I had no need to at the time, nore do I need to in the near future score political points. 1/ when your building a vote base political scoring wound not come into it, and that is the stage that we are in now building a voting base. 2/ when this happened it was not even known if we was going to put any body up to be elected in the next elections for the first time, The TUSC was still only being talk about, it was a last minute to decision to stand people, we only just made the entery date in the local elections. 3/ I all ready knew that Smithy would lose control of the Council, you could see that would happen after the 2011 local elections the Torys failed to gain any more seats, they lost a few seats to Labour, so 1212 local election would see the Torys out and Labour in. 4/ What would I gain by gain by scoring political points from Smithy, None at all, I sit in a Labour Strong hold ward, so if I was going for scoring political points it would be against the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]'A strong Labour ward' where the Conservatives take three or four times as many votes as Tusc on the two occasions that poor old Southy has represented the trailing party. Only a blind man or an idiot would see any rosy prospects there.[/p][/quote]Yes it is a very strong Labour ward and its very much Unite and Unison rank and file that lives in the Redbridge ward. The only time the Torys can win here is when there is a back lash against the Labour party when Labour voters don't vote, like what happen in 2009 local election and let in a Tory paper candidate. And where I increase more votes on the election before, 4th on the first time out, 3rd on the second time out pushing the Lib/dems into 4th place. Nect time theres a back lash against the Labour Party no Tory Paper Candidate win win, it will be who ever is standing for the TUSC at the time. And this is what scares you lot on the far right, Torys not picking up votes when there is a Labour back lash. Only blund or an idiot would think the way you do, any one with knowledge knows it takes time to build a base and it do not happen ober night like you seem to it do[/p][/quote]Is there an interpreter in the house ? Cyber__Fug
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8:19pm Fri 4 Jan 13

southampton999 says...

Who the f**k are TUSC anyway? Sounds like a lap dancing club to me.
Who the f**k are TUSC anyway? Sounds like a lap dancing club to me. southampton999
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