Kingston Prison in Portsmouth to close, Ministry of Justice reveals

Hampshire prison to close

Hampshire prison to close

First published in Crime

A HAMPSHIRE prison is one of six in England, are to close, the Ministry of Justice said today.

Kingston Prison in Portsmouth, which holds 200 inmates is to close. In total, the six prisons hold up to 2,600 prisoners.

The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' in either London, the north west or north Wales, the MoJ added.

Acting governor of HMP Kingston, Martin Hatch, said: “Clearly this is a sad day for HMP Kingston prison as we have been proud to protect the public and help reduce re-offending for so many years.

“We understand that this is absolutely not a reflection of our performance.

“I know that everything possible will be done to avoid compulsory redundancies by seeking to redeploy staff to other establishments and by using the Voluntary Early Departure Scheme where appropriate. Work will also now begin to identify new allocations for prisoners which take account of their sentence plans and particular needs as far as is possible.

“I can assure the local community with whom we have worked so closely for so long that public protection will remain our priority throughout the closure process.”

Meanwhile, capacity at a further three prisons, including the amalgamated prison on the Isle of Wight, will see their capacities reduced.

On the island, Camp Hill will be closed, reducing the overall capacity of the Island's prison facilities.

The programme is part of a drive to build new capacity to replace older prisons and bring down the cost of the prison system. It is expected to save £63 million a year.

Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said: ''We have to bring down the cost of our prison system, much of which is old and expensive.

''But I never want the courts to be in a position where they cannot send a criminal to prison because there is no place available.

''So we have to move as fast as we can to replace the older parts of our prison system.''

The plans for the super-prison appear to contrast with the views of Mr Grayling's predecessor Kenneth Clarke who was an advocate of rehabilitation rather than incarceration.

In addition to the super-prison Mr Grayling unveiled plans for four new mini-prisons known as houseblocks.

It is intended to build these at existing prisons at Parc in South Wales, Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the Mount in Hertfordshire, and Thameside in London. In total they will be able to hold up to 1,260.

Some 83,632 inmates were behind bars as of last Friday, down from the record high of 88,179 after the summer's riots in 2011. MoJ forecasts show the population could hit 90,900 by 2018.

Plans to build a new super-prison are likely to draw comparisons to Labour's £2.9 billion proposal for three 2,500-capacity ''Titan'' jails, which was scrapped in 2009.

Juliet Lyon, director of the Prison Reform Trust, said: ''Closing prisons and reducing prison numbers offers major social and economic gains but it would be a gigantic mistake if the Justice Secretary were to revive the discredited idea of titans and pour taxpayers' money down the prison-building drain, when the coalition Government could invest in crime prevention, healthcare and community solutions to crime.''

Kingston Prison - in profile

Based in Portsmouth, Hampshire, Kingston is a category C prison holding up to 205 indeterminate sentenced prisoners.

It holds both category B life-sentenced prisoners and category C life-sentenced prisoners. It has four wings of single accommodation and another with a mixture of single and shared rooms. It had an annual budget of £5.8 million in the year 2011/12 and the cost per prisoner is roughly £50,000.

Employment opportunities include catering, desktop publishing, fork lift truck operation and data entry.

The prison was built between 1874 and 1876 by French prisoners of war and is a listed building with many of the original Victorian architectural features. Notable inmates include EastEnders actor Leslie ''Dirty Den'' Grantham.

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11:45am Thu 10 Jan 13

Linesman says...

"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced. Linesman
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12:07pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
From the BBC website which has more detail :-

"Mr Grayling unveiled plans for four new mini-prisons known as houseblocks.

Under the proposals, those would be built at existing prisons at Parc in south Wales, Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the Mount in Hertfordshire, and Thameside in London.

And, in total, they will be able to hold up to 1,260."

To me it seems that the total capacity will be 3260. Panic over.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]From the BBC website which has more detail :- "Mr Grayling unveiled plans for four new mini-prisons known as houseblocks. Under the proposals, those would be built at existing prisons at Parc in south Wales, Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the Mount in Hertfordshire, and Thameside in London. And, in total, they will be able to hold up to 1,260." To me it seems that the total capacity will be 3260. Panic over. Torchie1
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12:16pm Thu 10 Jan 13

voiceinthecrowd says...

What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals
Oh Yes We Do

Its called deportationm back to their own Countries
Problem solved
What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals Oh Yes We Do Its called deportationm back to their own Countries Problem solved voiceinthecrowd
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12:24pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Vonnie says...

voiceinthecrowd wrote:
What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals Oh Yes We Do Its called deportationm back to their own Countries Problem solved
You are making one hell of an ignorant presumption. Without any facts and figures to back it up.
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals Oh Yes We Do Its called deportationm back to their own Countries Problem solved[/p][/quote]You are making one hell of an ignorant presumption. Without any facts and figures to back it up. Vonnie
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12:27pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Subject48 says...

Or instead of feeding them clothing them and giving them free tv and excercise, maybe make them work cracking rocks or other such labour...? Keeps them away from civilised people and is beneficial for society.
Or instead of feeding them clothing them and giving them free tv and excercise, maybe make them work cracking rocks or other such labour...? Keeps them away from civilised people and is beneficial for society. Subject48
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12:31pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
From the BBC website which has more detail :-

"Mr Grayling unveiled plans for four new mini-prisons known as houseblocks.

Under the proposals, those would be built at existing prisons at Parc in south Wales, Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the Mount in Hertfordshire, and Thameside in London.

And, in total, they will be able to hold up to 1,260."

To me it seems that the total capacity will be 3260. Panic over.
Thanks for that.

I was commenting on the Echo article and pointing out how the statements made did not add up.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]From the BBC website which has more detail :- "Mr Grayling unveiled plans for four new mini-prisons known as houseblocks. Under the proposals, those would be built at existing prisons at Parc in south Wales, Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the Mount in Hertfordshire, and Thameside in London. And, in total, they will be able to hold up to 1,260." To me it seems that the total capacity will be 3260. Panic over.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. I was commenting on the Echo article and pointing out how the statements made did not add up. Linesman
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12:31pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Outside of the Box says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
From the BBC website which has more detail :-

"Mr Grayling unveiled plans for four new mini-prisons known as houseblocks.

Under the proposals, those would be built at existing prisons at Parc in south Wales, Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the Mount in Hertfordshire, and Thameside in London.

And, in total, they will be able to hold up to 1,260."

To me it seems that the total capacity will be 3260. Panic over.
The new houseblocks will be built inside (pardon the pun) existing private prisons (apart from the Mount) so there is going to be another private prison to be built with the MoJ then handing it over the a private company to run, whilst closing 6 HMP Service prisons down.

Privatisation of the Prison service, the MoJ should really sort out the existing problems they have before with private contractors failing to deliver on contracts before embarking on this.

The courts for instance, a new contractor took 18 months ago and since then the courts in the UK have been in disarray, prisoner escapes, up, prisoners released in error, up, prisoners going to the wrong prison/court, up Judges being made to wait for prisoners who turn late for court, up, staff contracts ripped up and given new ones on less money, staff morale at an all time low, all in the name of privatisation and austerity.

Privatisation is sometimes not the answer Mr Grayling, sort the mess you've created in the courts before you start tampering with prisons
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]From the BBC website which has more detail :- "Mr Grayling unveiled plans for four new mini-prisons known as houseblocks. Under the proposals, those would be built at existing prisons at Parc in south Wales, Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, the Mount in Hertfordshire, and Thameside in London. And, in total, they will be able to hold up to 1,260." To me it seems that the total capacity will be 3260. Panic over.[/p][/quote]The new houseblocks will be built inside (pardon the pun) existing private prisons (apart from the Mount) so there is going to be another private prison to be built with the MoJ then handing it over the a private company to run, whilst closing 6 HMP Service prisons down. Privatisation of the Prison service, the MoJ should really sort out the existing problems they have before with private contractors failing to deliver on contracts before embarking on this. The courts for instance, a new contractor took 18 months ago and since then the courts in the UK have been in disarray, prisoner escapes, up, prisoners released in error, up, prisoners going to the wrong prison/court, up Judges being made to wait for prisoners who turn late for court, up, staff contracts ripped up and given new ones on less money, staff morale at an all time low, all in the name of privatisation and austerity. Privatisation is sometimes not the answer Mr Grayling, sort the mess you've created in the courts before you start tampering with prisons Outside of the Box
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1:03pm Thu 10 Jan 13

waltons11 says...

Subject48 wrote:
Or instead of feeding them clothing them and giving them free tv and excercise, maybe make them work cracking rocks or other such labour...? Keeps them away from civilised people and is beneficial for society.
They do not clothe them, if they want TV they have to pay for the rental, they also provide their own bedding. I will admit they do feed them (very badly-having seen what they serve up I would not want to eat it!) and they exercise in an outside area, walking or playing football. I cannot see that this costs anything. The costs are made up of wages (a governor is on roughly £65k per year) and running costs, although the heating is rarely on so this cannot cost too much.As with everything costs are down to wages and staffing levels more than anything else, and these are dictated by the government and unions. I do think they should deport foreign nationals though, if you come here and break the law then you don't deserve to stay (that would save a few quid!)
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: Or instead of feeding them clothing them and giving them free tv and excercise, maybe make them work cracking rocks or other such labour...? Keeps them away from civilised people and is beneficial for society.[/p][/quote]They do not clothe them, if they want TV they have to pay for the rental, they also provide their own bedding. I will admit they do feed them (very badly-having seen what they serve up I would not want to eat it!) and they exercise in an outside area, walking or playing football. I cannot see that this costs anything. The costs are made up of wages (a governor is on roughly £65k per year) and running costs, although the heating is rarely on so this cannot cost too much.As with everything costs are down to wages and staffing levels more than anything else, and these are dictated by the government and unions. I do think they should deport foreign nationals though, if you come here and break the law then you don't deserve to stay (that would save a few quid!) waltons11
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1:07pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them.

'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.'

You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on.

You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off?

Do you remember who said that btw?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them. 'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.' You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on. You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off? Do you remember who said that btw? Shoong
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1:31pm Thu 10 Jan 13

hulla baloo says...

Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them.

'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.'

You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on.

You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off?

Do you remember who said that btw?
BLIAR.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them. 'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.' You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on. You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off? Do you remember who said that btw?[/p][/quote]BLIAR. hulla baloo
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1:44pm Thu 10 Jan 13

stay local says...

voiceinthecrowd wrote:
What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals
Oh Yes We Do

Its called deportationm back to their own Countries
Problem solved
Why not just move the prison walls and gates to encompass the whole of Portsmouth?
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals Oh Yes We Do Its called deportationm back to their own Countries Problem solved[/p][/quote]Why not just move the prison walls and gates to encompass the whole of Portsmouth? stay local
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2:00pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Stillness says...

Does it matter if there are more or less places? They don't work anyway.
Does it matter if there are more or less places? They don't work anyway. Stillness
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2:44pm Thu 10 Jan 13

hulla baloo says...

Hdg end mo wrote:
They should close down the nonces prison on the island
And bury them in the english channel
Thats cost cutting
Move everybody off the island and send all the criminals there to look after them selves.Just have a couple of gunships patrolling the waters to shoot and escapees.
[quote][p][bold]Hdg end mo[/bold] wrote: They should close down the nonces prison on the island And bury them in the english channel Thats cost cutting[/p][/quote]Move everybody off the island and send all the criminals there to look after them selves.Just have a couple of gunships patrolling the waters to shoot and escapees. hulla baloo
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3:58pm Thu 10 Jan 13

vpharm says...

this should be used for deporting failed asylum seelers & foreign criminals, so we KNOW where they are when they come to be deported!
this should be used for deporting failed asylum seelers & foreign criminals, so we KNOW where they are when they come to be deported! vpharm
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4:07pm Thu 10 Jan 13

jazzi says...

Some prisons are too costly to maintain. There are over 83k prisoners , with the capacity for over 95k. So shutting the smaller ones or turning some of them into asylum detention centres makes sense.

Not sure I would like to live near a huge prison for fear of riots.
Some prisons are too costly to maintain. There are over 83k prisoners , with the capacity for over 95k. So shutting the smaller ones or turning some of them into asylum detention centres makes sense. Not sure I would like to live near a huge prison for fear of riots. jazzi
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4:07pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them.

'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.'

You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on.

You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off?

Do you remember who said that btw?
I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them. 'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.' You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on. You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off? Do you remember who said that btw?[/p][/quote]I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity. Linesman
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4:09pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Linesman says...

stay local wrote:
voiceinthecrowd wrote:
What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals
Oh Yes We Do

Its called deportationm back to their own Countries
Problem solved
Why not just move the prison walls and gates to encompass the whole of Portsmouth?
Maybe that is why there is a proposal to extend the city walls at the Bargate.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: What a shame we dont have somewhere to send unwanted criminals Oh Yes We Do Its called deportationm back to their own Countries Problem solved[/p][/quote]Why not just move the prison walls and gates to encompass the whole of Portsmouth?[/p][/quote]Maybe that is why there is a proposal to extend the city walls at the Bargate. Linesman
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4:11pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Linesman wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them.

'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.'

You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on.

You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off?

Do you remember who said that btw?
I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity.
That is in addition to cutting the Police budget and police numbers.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them. 'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.' You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on. You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off? Do you remember who said that btw?[/p][/quote]I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity.[/p][/quote]That is in addition to cutting the Police budget and police numbers. Linesman
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5:03pm Thu 10 Jan 13

kingnotail says...

End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service.
End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service. kingnotail
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5:10pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Lockssmart says...

I could keep one in the shed if that helps?
I could keep one in the shed if that helps? Lockssmart
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5:14pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

kingnotail wrote:
End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service.
Fines that won't be paid and Community Service if it's convenient?
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service.[/p][/quote]Fines that won't be paid and Community Service if it's convenient? Torchie1
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7:02pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Outside of the Box says...

kingnotail wrote:
End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service.
Do you mean no prison for sexual crimes or non sexual crimes, I take it you meant non sexual crimes, sorry it's been a long day
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service.[/p][/quote]Do you mean no prison for sexual crimes or non sexual crimes, I take it you meant non sexual crimes, sorry it's been a long day Outside of the Box
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7:15pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Stillness says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service.
Do you mean no prison for sexual crimes or non sexual crimes, I take it you meant non sexual crimes, sorry it's been a long day
Complicated isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: End all imprisonment for non-violent/sexual crimes, replace it with fines and community service.[/p][/quote]Do you mean no prison for sexual crimes or non sexual crimes, I take it you meant non sexual crimes, sorry it's been a long day[/p][/quote]Complicated isn't it. Stillness
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7:20pm Thu 10 Jan 13

bazzeroz says...

What ever happened to Slade prison?
What ever happened to Slade prison? bazzeroz
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5:31pm Fri 11 Jan 13

B. L. says...

Linesman wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them.

'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.'

You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on.

You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off?

Do you remember who said that btw?
I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity.
That is in addition to cutting the Police budget and police numbers.
Ah yes, but you now have high salary Police Commissioners, that should solve everything including increasing the Police budget and police numbers. :)
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them. 'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.' You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on. You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off? Do you remember who said that btw?[/p][/quote]I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity.[/p][/quote]That is in addition to cutting the Police budget and police numbers.[/p][/quote]Ah yes, but you now have high salary Police Commissioners, that should solve everything including increasing the Police budget and police numbers. :) B. L.
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5:32pm Fri 11 Jan 13

B. L. says...

Linesman wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners."

"The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners."

Does that make sense?

How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity?

The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced.

Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.

If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.
I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them.

'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.'

You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on.

You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off?

Do you remember who said that btw?
I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity.
That is in addition to cutting the Police budget and police numbers.
Ah yes, but you now have high salary Police Commissioners, that should solve everything including increasing the Police budget and police numbers. :)
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "In total, the six prisons (that are to close) hold up to 2,600 prisoners." "The six will be replaced by a 2,000 capacity 'super prison' which could hold more than 2,000 prisoners." Does that make sense? How can a '2,000 capacity' super prison hold more than its capacity? The six prisons that are being closed have a capacity of 2,600, so the plan is to reduce the overall capacity by 600, with the capacity at three prisons on the Isle of Wight being reduced. Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime. If this is an example of that, then I am not impressed or convinced.[/p][/quote]I must say that I feel the opposite is needed, more prisons should be built as long as we are all happy to pay for them. 'Cameron's election pledge was that he was going to be tough on crime.' You aren't still falling for election promises are you? Come on. You would think the experience of 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' might have at least prepared you to be a little cynical, or does it only count when the Conservative party spouts off? Do you remember who said that btw?[/p][/quote]I certainly cannot remember any other Prime Minister making the same promise and then cutting the prison capacity.[/p][/quote]That is in addition to cutting the Police budget and police numbers.[/p][/quote]Ah yes, but you now have high salary Police Commissioners, that should solve everything including increasing the Police budget and police numbers. :) B. L.
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5:33pm Fri 11 Jan 13

B. L. says...

oops ! Double posting. I'm doomed.
oops ! Double posting. I'm doomed. B. L.
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