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Southampton drugs gang jailed for over 30 years
6:31pm Friday 15th February 2013 in Crime
By John Hoskins, Court Reporter
Gary Banton
SENTENCES totalling more than 30 years have been imposed on an evil gang who pedalled hard drugs on the streets of Southampton with the aid of taxis.
Nearly £40,000 in cash, thousands of pounds of heroin and crack cocaine as well as live ammunition were seized when armed police swooped on two houses in the same street last July.
In an exclusive story in July 2012, the Daily Echo revealed how police used a battering ram to dramatically smash their way into two houses in the St.Mary’s area of the city in the latest crackdown on drug gangs.
They also formed road blocks around Northbrook Road as the drama unfolded under the Operation Fortress inititiave, a £2m campaign that had only been launched a few weeks earlier by Hampshire Constabulary in their continuing war against drug distributors doing their business in Southampton.
Local residents watched from bedroom windows in shock as the arrested had their hands tied behind their backs as they lay on the pavement as officers combed the properties..
Inside they recovered a Samurai sword, 24 rounds of live rounds, the cash as well as nearly about £13,000 worth of heroin and crack cocaine which had been brought from London.
“The cash was spread around the house in various locations,” prosecutor Matthew Jewell alleged. “Although no gun has been recovered, ammunition would be useless without access to a weapon and the need for those engaged in the supply of drugs on this scale is plain.”
Gang members had been tracked sending text messages to a mobile phone number containing messages “indicative of involvement in drug dealing.”
The drugs were distributed from Northbrook Road by the booking of taxis which often travelled to Atherley Road where the prosecution claimed were a number of premises connected with their supply.
Today five people were jailed with sentences ranging from 32 months to 10 years for conspiracy to supply heroin and crack cocaine in what Judge Peter Henry describe as a well organised operation which had led to substantial quantity of drugs being brought to Southampton.
“The damage caused by drugs of this kind in physical and mental health is too well known and it is a significant cause of crime committed by addicts to fund their addiction,” he commented passing sentence.
After the hearing, Detective Superintendent Kath Barnes said: “We are delighted with the convictions and sentences. The judge has sent out a very clear message to those people involved in this form of criminal enterprise. He also made a significant point on the impact of hard drugs in the community.”
Comments(44)
Ciaran
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7:10pm Fri 15 Feb 13
It sure as hell feels like it.
-stiv-
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7:20pm Fri 15 Feb 13
You don't need to be evil to deal drugs. But knowing you're destroying peoples lives and getting rich off it is fukcing sh1tty.
elvisimo
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9:57pm Fri 15 Feb 13
derek james
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10:35pm Fri 15 Feb 13
Inform Al
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12:14am Sat 16 Feb 13
bigfella777 wrote:Although my Oxford dictionary does refer to the devil in one part of the meaning of the word evil it also mentions wickedness, depravity and immorality. In my view all these apply to scum that get rich at the expense of others lives and wellbeing. Ten years in one of HMs hotels with multi TV channels and 3 square meals a day is nowhere near enough punishment to deter these evil scumbags. Personally I think a suspended sentence would be in order, by the neck!
Why use the word evil? Does this mean that the act of dealing drugs is evil? Or that those convicted were actually evil? How do you define evil?
Evil is profound immorality, especially when regarded as a supernatural force, for example in religious belief. Evil is usually perceived as the dualistic opposite of good.
So are you suggesting that they're religous beliefs might have made them evil?
Maine Lobster
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9:43am Sat 16 Feb 13
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
Inform Al
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11:21am Sat 16 Feb 13
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
hythe knights
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11:27am Sat 16 Feb 13
Subject48
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12:03pm Sat 16 Feb 13
If you decrease the number of "outlets" the drug will get more expensive.
Quoting the judge: “The damage caused by drugs of this kind in physical and mental health is too well known and it is a significant cause of crime committed by addicts to fund their addiction,” he commented passing sentence.
Taking the basic rules of economics of supply and demand, if you do nothing do reduce the demand and only hit the supply, those in demand will have to pay more for a product not so easily available. This in turn would lead to the victims (the addicts) to act more unlawfully.
Does anyone else seriously don’t get this logic?
Without imposing martial law and searching every single house top to bottom in the UK, drugs will continue to be peddled.
If you spend resources only hitting the supply chains it just means those in demand will have to pay more.
Government control of supply and income gained used to treat the demand is the only way this would ever improve.
Inform Al
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12:42pm Sat 16 Feb 13
Subject48 wrote:Every drug user would support this argument, those of us who still have a fully functional brain and have never touched the filthy stuff are interested in the effect that mind blown users have on innocent victims. Just hang ALL dealers and eventually the problem will be buried
If we invest in things like operation fortress, the number of drug addicts is not decreasing.
If you decrease the number of "outlets" the drug will get more expensive.
Quoting the judge: “The damage caused by drugs of this kind in physical and mental health is too well known and it is a significant cause of crime committed by addicts to fund their addiction,” he commented passing sentence.
Taking the basic rules of economics of supply and demand, if you do nothing do reduce the demand and only hit the supply, those in demand will have to pay more for a product not so easily available. This in turn would lead to the victims (the addicts) to act more unlawfully.
Does anyone else seriously don’t get this logic?
Without imposing martial law and searching every single house top to bottom in the UK, drugs will continue to be peddled.
If you spend resources only hitting the supply chains it just means those in demand will have to pay more.
Government control of supply and income gained used to treat the demand is the only way this would ever improve.
cantthinkofone
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2:18pm Sat 16 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
Inform Al
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2:53pm Sat 16 Feb 13
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
cantthinkofone
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3:02pm Sat 16 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:This type of argument is known as an "appeal to authority", and is both a fallacy, and also rather pathetic tbh.
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
elvisimo
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3:58pm Sat 16 Feb 13
cantthinkofone wrote:Agreed.
Inform Al wrote:This type of argument is known as an "appeal to authority", and is both a fallacy, and also rather pathetic tbh.
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
chrisja
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5:12pm Sat 16 Feb 13
kingnotail
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8:02pm Sat 16 Feb 13
bigfella777 wrote:Yep, just the hard facts please, no moralising. Just another poorly written article from the DE - '24 rounds of live rounds'? Come on.......
Why use the word evil? Does this mean that the act of dealing drugs is evil? Or that those convicted were actually evil? How do you define evil?
Evil is profound immorality, especially when regarded as a supernatural force, for example in religious belief. Evil is usually perceived as the dualistic opposite of good.
So are you suggesting that they're religous beliefs might have made them evil?
Inform Al
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8:03pm Sat 16 Feb 13
elvisimo wrote:Users then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Agreed.
Inform Al wrote:This type of argument is known as an "appeal to authority", and is both a fallacy, and also rather pathetic tbh.
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
kingnotail
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8:04pm Sat 16 Feb 13
elvisimo wrote:About as intelligent as someone who can't spell intelligent
Hmm they look inteligent
kingnotail
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8:12pm Sat 16 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:And proud of it. And what you gonna do, EX-policeman? Yes too much weed can seriously mess up your mind, but no more than too much alcohol can. The social harm caused by perfectly legal alcohol is infinitely greater than by any illegal drug. If you want to see drug dealers hang then I suggest you move to some fascist theocratic state like Saudi Arabia, and see how long you last without many of the freedoms you take for granted.
elvisimo wrote:Users then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Agreed.
Inform Al wrote:This type of argument is known as an "appeal to authority", and is both a fallacy, and also rather pathetic tbh.
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
Inform Al
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8:15pm Sat 16 Feb 13
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
kingnotail
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8:34pm Sat 16 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:So you're racist as well as stupid then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
kingnotail
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8:37pm Sat 16 Feb 13
kingnotail wrote:And cannabis was only legalised in two US states within the last few months, and is still illegal by federal law. Do you have the statistics to back up your claims? Of course you don't, because they don't exist.
Inform Al wrote:So you're racist as well as stupid then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
AdamSFC
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10:27pm Sat 16 Feb 13
kingnotail wrote:Careful about admitting this to "Inform Al" he will want to hang you too! I've got an idea, why don't we hang everyone, like literally everyone, then there will be nobody left to commit crime, problem solved : ). I might take up reactionary politics myself, it's much easier than thinking.
Inform Al wrote:And proud of it. And what you gonna do, EX-policeman? Yes too much weed can seriously mess up your mind, but no more than too much alcohol can. The social harm caused by perfectly legal alcohol is infinitely greater than by any illegal drug. If you want to see drug dealers hang then I suggest you move to some fascist theocratic state like Saudi Arabia, and see how long you last without many of the freedoms you take for granted.
elvisimo wrote:Users then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Agreed.
Inform Al wrote:This type of argument is known as an "appeal to authority", and is both a fallacy, and also rather pathetic tbh.
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
Inform Al
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11:01pm Sat 16 Feb 13
AdamSFC wrote:The feeling that only brain damaged users support the use of cannabis grows stronger with every post I read,
kingnotail wrote:Careful about admitting this to "Inform Al" he will want to hang you too! I've got an idea, why don't we hang everyone, like literally everyone, then there will be nobody left to commit crime, problem solved : ). I might take up reactionary politics myself, it's much easier than thinking.
Inform Al wrote:And proud of it. And what you gonna do, EX-policeman? Yes too much weed can seriously mess up your mind, but no more than too much alcohol can. The social harm caused by perfectly legal alcohol is infinitely greater than by any illegal drug. If you want to see drug dealers hang then I suggest you move to some fascist theocratic state like Saudi Arabia, and see how long you last without many of the freedoms you take for granted.
elvisimo wrote:Users then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Agreed.
Inform Al wrote:This type of argument is known as an "appeal to authority", and is both a fallacy, and also rather pathetic tbh.
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
vickyashley27
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11:28pm Sat 16 Feb 13
Inform Al
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1:02am Sun 17 Feb 13
vickyashley27 wrote:If guiltry hang the bast4rds, the war so far has only been 1 way, Against us!
in 3 weeks staffordshire police have arrested over 30 people in drug raid round one area now that is good and 20 plus have been remanded to go to crown court
Inform Al
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1:09am Sun 17 Feb 13
kingnotail wrote:Read the papers tw4t. All those kids that were murdered at school in connecticut were not many miles from a cannabis legalised state. And aparently the tw4t that did it had mental health problems. Wonder why? and will those in charge ever admit it.
kingnotail wrote:And cannabis was only legalised in two US states within the last few months, and is still illegal by federal law. Do you have the statistics to back up your claims? Of course you don't, because they don't exist.
Inform Al wrote:So you're racist as well as stupid then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
kingnotail
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1:33am Sun 17 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:Cannabis is legal in Colorado and Washington state - if you think either of these are anywhere near connecticut, then you are even more of an idiot than you already let on.
kingnotail wrote:Read the papers tw4t. All those kids that were murdered at school in connecticut were not many miles from a cannabis legalised state. And aparently the tw4t that did it had mental health problems. Wonder why? and will those in charge ever admit it.
kingnotail wrote:And cannabis was only legalised in two US states within the last few months, and is still illegal by federal law. Do you have the statistics to back up your claims? Of course you don't, because they don't exist.
Inform Al wrote:So you're racist as well as stupid then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
elvisimo
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10:01am Sun 17 Feb 13
kingnotail wrote:Brilliant
Inform Al wrote:Cannabis is legal in Colorado and Washington state - if you think either of these are anywhere near connecticut, then you are even more of an idiot than you already let on.
kingnotail wrote:Read the papers tw4t. All those kids that were murdered at school in connecticut were not many miles from a cannabis legalised state. And aparently the tw4t that did it had mental health problems. Wonder why? and will those in charge ever admit it.
kingnotail wrote:And cannabis was only legalised in two US states within the last few months, and is still illegal by federal law. Do you have the statistics to back up your claims? Of course you don't, because they don't exist.
Inform Al wrote:So you're racist as well as stupid then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
Inform Al
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11:34am Sun 17 Feb 13
elvisimo wrote:Connecticut is actually quite near to Washington State and the offender at the school killings displayed signs of depressiion before the act, as also did the 'Batman' murderer a while ago. But I did not include these in my post as they are not in the 'legalised' states, however both appear to have suffered from mental health problems, the intelligent question would be why? especially since the Batman murderer had been an exceptional chemistry student and his mental state had deteriorated quite speedilly.
kingnotail wrote:Brilliant
Inform Al wrote:Cannabis is legal in Colorado and Washington state - if you think either of these are anywhere near connecticut, then you are even more of an idiot than you already let on.
kingnotail wrote:Read the papers tw4t. All those kids that were murdered at school in connecticut were not many miles from a cannabis legalised state. And aparently the tw4t that did it had mental health problems. Wonder why? and will those in charge ever admit it.
kingnotail wrote:And cannabis was only legalised in two US states within the last few months, and is still illegal by federal law. Do you have the statistics to back up your claims? Of course you don't, because they don't exist.
Inform Al wrote:So you're racist as well as stupid then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
cliffwalker
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5:27pm Sun 17 Feb 13
elvisimo wrote:Or maybe intelligent do you think?
Hmm they look inteligent
cliffwalker
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5:36pm Sun 17 Feb 13
cantthinkofone
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5:43pm Sun 17 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:No, for the record.
elvisimo wrote:Users then?
cantthinkofone wrote:Agreed.
Inform Al wrote:This type of argument is known as an "appeal to authority", and is both a fallacy, and also rather pathetic tbh.
cantthinkofone wrote:You are talking to an ex police officer and ex appropriate adult with Mind who knows that what I said is fact, regardless of the disengenuous lies put about by users, dealers and other pr4tts
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
cantthinkofone
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5:45pm Sun 17 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:Ice cream causes shark attacks.
cantthinkofone wrote:Hard to tell with the hispanics if they are sane or not, however where cannabis has been legalised in the US there has been an increase in gun murders, but they do avoid letting us know if the offenders were users.
Inform Al wrote:No, they haven't. What you're referring to is probably the two NZ studies a decade ago that turned out to be utterly flawed and were subsequently rejected by the academic community. You may alternatively be making that judgement on the basis of anecdote, which ignores the very real phenomenon of self-medication, something that is accepted by experts in the field.
Maine Lobster wrote:Unfortunately even so called mild drugs such as cannabis have led to psychological problems by users that have led to the deaths of other innocent victims. The best answer is to save money by giving ALL drug dealers a suspended sentence, by the neck.
elvisimo wrote:I expect they made a fortune out of this sordid trade while no doubt claiming benefits. After all who has time to go to work if there is so much easy money to be made peddling drugs.
Hmm they look inteligent
Another example of why we should decriminalise drugs, give it to addicts free while treating them and keep the ill gotten gains from the criminals.
There are pros and cons to legalisation, but the debate has to be had on the basis of scientific facts, not incorrect Chinese whispers.
Portugal quietly decriminalised cannabis many years ago. There has been no increase in mental health disorders.
Correlation is not causation. Try and show a bit more logical discipline eh.
cantthinkofone
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5:49pm Sun 17 Feb 13
And who said that coppers were thick eh! ;-D
Inform Al
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6:34pm Sun 17 Feb 13
cantthinkofone wrote:Some may be, but none as thick as you
Wow. Having read the rest of the comments now, I can only conclude that Inform Al is the illegitimate love-child of Southy and Nick Griffin. Just hilarious.
And who said that coppers were thick eh! ;-D
cantthinkofone
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10:25pm Sun 17 Feb 13
Inform Al wrote:*zing*!
cantthinkofone wrote:Some may be, but none as thick as you
Wow. Having read the rest of the comments now, I can only conclude that Inform Al is the illegitimate love-child of Southy and Nick Griffin. Just hilarious.
And who said that coppers were thick eh! ;-D
Subject48
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3:41pm Mon 18 Feb 13
You have clearly not read my post. At all. Only an ape or a halfwit would consider violence and death before applying logic.
Once again not very informed al. Not very.
For the record; I’m not a user myself. (Dabbled in some things recreationally from time to time and still do) I have many friends that are however. I seriously believe my way of thinking is the best way to help those whom I think to have a problem.
Pikey-Biker
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4:02pm Mon 18 Feb 13
cantthinkofone
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5:07pm Mon 18 Feb 13
****-Biker wrote:Just as bad though.
I think Informed Al was referring to dealers rather than users
Why are so few dealers from middle-class and privileged backgrounds?
It's because they believe that they have better options available to them.
As with a lot of street crime and similar, drug dealing is a symptom, not the disease itself. Attacking the symptom will never eradicate the disease. It's the causes that need to be addressed, not simply the effects.
Inform Al
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7:32pm Mon 18 Feb 13
Subject48 wrote:War is war and people get killed, unfortunately the war has only been declared one way at the present time.
Hang them all. Violence is your answer to a deep social and political issue?
You have clearly not read my post. At all. Only an ape or a halfwit would consider violence and death before applying logic.
Once again not very informed al. Not very.
For the record; I’m not a user myself. (Dabbled in some things recreationally from time to time and still do) I have many friends that are however. I seriously believe my way of thinking is the best way to help those whom I think to have a problem.
kiddynamite
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2:10pm Thu 28 Feb 13
Pikey-Biker
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3:57pm Mon 4 Mar 13
bigfella777 says...
6:57pm Fri 15 Feb 13
Evil is profound immorality, especially when regarded as a supernatural force, for example in religious belief. Evil is usually perceived as the dualistic opposite of good.
So are you suggesting that they're religous beliefs might have made them evil?