Smell of cannabis 'gave away drug factory' (From Daily Echo)

It cost a fortune for tax payers to deal with this.

I feel that ALL the money made by the gangs who do this should go to the government.

Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced.

Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.

CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa.

Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

**** Pete wrote:
It cost a fortune for tax payers to deal with this.

I feel that ALL the money made by the gangs who do this should go to the government.

Why? So that they can give even bigger tax-breaks to their rich buddies?

At present I reckon the price of cannabis relative to other legal drugs such as alcohol or tobacco is probably at a historical low.

So either:

1) law enforcement is ineffective and only scratching the surface

2) the tax or alcohol and cigarettes is too high

I am not a great fan of complete legalisation but the model now being used in several US states of all places might be worth having a look at.

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work.

The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it.

The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work. The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

I congratulated the police for bringing a successful prosecution, I definitely don’t think Babs Stanley is right at all just because the war on drugs is difficult doesn’t mean we should just give in.
Alcohol is sold mostly by legal means and many people drink alcohol to excess so how will legalising cannabis stop people from consuming too much.

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work. The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

I congratulated the police for bringing a successful prosecution, I definitely don’t think Babs Stanley is right at all just because the war on drugs is difficult doesn’t mean we should just give in.
Alcohol is sold mostly by legal means and many people drink alcohol to excess so how will legalising cannabis stop people from consuming too much.

.. er? It's the CPS that brings prosecutions, not the police.

Yes, 'alcohol is sold mostly by legal means' as you say. So why not cannabis also? Compare the harm of each and it is quite clear that cannabis is the least harmful; to the individual as well as society.

Consuming to much alcohol often makes people aggressive; both in our city centres and to their families when they get home. Consuming to much cannabis has the exact opposite effect.

Alcohol is a physically addictive drug and its consumption comes at a great cost to the NHS and society at large. Cannabis does not present anywhere near the same levels of individual or societal harm.

So, which is the least harmful drug, from just about any position you care to look at it from? That’s what we need to be looking at, not Daily Mail scare stories.

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work. The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

I congratulated the police for bringing a successful prosecution, I definitely don’t think Babs Stanley is right at all just because the war on drugs is difficult doesn’t mean we should just give in. Alcohol is sold mostly by legal means and many people drink alcohol to excess so how will legalising cannabis stop people from consuming too much.

.. er? It's the CPS that brings prosecutions, not the police. Yes, 'alcohol is sold mostly by legal means' as you say. So why not cannabis also? Compare the harm of each and it is quite clear that cannabis is the least harmful; to the individual as well as society. Consuming to much alcohol often makes people aggressive; both in our city centres and to their families when they get home. Consuming to much cannabis has the exact opposite effect. Alcohol is a physically addictive drug and its consumption comes at a great cost to the NHS and society at large. Cannabis does not present anywhere near the same levels of individual or societal harm. So, which is the least harmful drug, from just about any position you care to look at it from? That’s what we need to be looking at, not Daily Mail scare stories.

Okay the police brought the case to the CPS which resulted in a successful prosecution
Just because Cannabis is deemed less dangerous than Alcohol (but you are comparing an illegal substance not as readily available to something that is in many retail outlets)
Doesn’t mean we have to legalise it Cannabis isn’t a harmless drug it causes paranoia and mania and users are more likely to suffer from Schizophrenia who are more likely to display violent behaviour under the influence of cannabis

****,

Based on NHS and NTA statistics, anyone in Britain is six times more likely to experience mental health problems associated with alcohol use than with cannabis.

Trouble is the facts just don't fit with your prejudice do they?

I sympathise with you though. You're just another of the millions who have been brainwashed for many years by the media and politicians funded by Big Booze.

Seems the commenting system regards your name as offensive P-B!!

Perhaps that should tell you something
;-)

Babs Stanley wrote:
****, Based on NHS and NTA statistics, anyone in Britain is six times more likely to experience mental health problems associated with alcohol use than with cannabis. Trouble is the facts just don't fit with your prejudice do they? I sympathise with you though. You're just another of the millions who have been brainwashed for many years by the media and politicians funded by Big Booze.

At least I haven’t had my brain frazzled by the righteous herb

Dream on!

Babs Stanley wrote:
Seems the commenting system regards your name as offensive P-B!! Perhaps that should tell you something ;-)

Cant win the debate so resort to personal attacks , not clever

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work. The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

I congratulated the police for bringing a successful prosecution, I definitely don’t think Babs Stanley is right at all just because the war on drugs is difficult doesn’t mean we should just give in. Alcohol is sold mostly by legal means and many people drink alcohol to excess so how will legalising cannabis stop people from consuming too much.

.. er? It's the CPS that brings prosecutions, not the police. Yes, 'alcohol is sold mostly by legal means' as you say. So why not cannabis also? Compare the harm of each and it is quite clear that cannabis is the least harmful; to the individual as well as society. Consuming to much alcohol often makes people aggressive; both in our city centres and to their families when they get home. Consuming to much cannabis has the exact opposite effect. Alcohol is a physically addictive drug and its consumption comes at a great cost to the NHS and society at large. Cannabis does not present anywhere near the same levels of individual or societal harm. So, which is the least harmful drug, from just about any position you care to look at it from? That’s what we need to be looking at, not Daily Mail scare stories.

Okay the police brought the case to the CPS which resulted in a successful prosecution
Just because Cannabis is deemed less dangerous than Alcohol (but you are comparing an illegal substance not as readily available to something that is in many retail outlets)
Doesn’t mean we have to legalise it Cannabis isn’t a harmless drug it causes paranoia and mania and users are more likely to suffer from Schizophrenia who are more likely to display violent behaviour under the influence of cannabis

.. ah! Daily Mail scare stories. Highly selective medical anecdotes is not how we should debate and decide on such issues.

Agreed 'cannabis isn't a harmless drug', never denied it. However, as it seems to be, on the scientific evidence, far less harmful that alcohol, don't you think it rather illogical to legally deny people the opportunity of taking the least harmful route; while at the same time legally permitting (and heavily taxing) the more harmful option?

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work. The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

I congratulated the police for bringing a successful prosecution, I definitely don’t think Babs Stanley is right at all just because the war on drugs is difficult doesn’t mean we should just give in. Alcohol is sold mostly by legal means and many people drink alcohol to excess so how will legalising cannabis stop people from consuming too much.

.. er? It's the CPS that brings prosecutions, not the police. Yes, 'alcohol is sold mostly by legal means' as you say. So why not cannabis also? Compare the harm of each and it is quite clear that cannabis is the least harmful; to the individual as well as society. Consuming to much alcohol often makes people aggressive; both in our city centres and to their families when they get home. Consuming to much cannabis has the exact opposite effect. Alcohol is a physically addictive drug and its consumption comes at a great cost to the NHS and society at large. Cannabis does not present anywhere near the same levels of individual or societal harm. So, which is the least harmful drug, from just about any position you care to look at it from? That’s what we need to be looking at, not Daily Mail scare stories.

Okay the police brought the case to the CPS which resulted in a successful prosecution Just because Cannabis is deemed less dangerous than Alcohol (but you are comparing an illegal substance not as readily available to something that is in many retail outlets) Doesn’t mean we have to legalise it Cannabis isn’t a harmless drug it causes paranoia and mania and users are more likely to suffer from Schizophrenia who are more likely to display violent behaviour under the influence of cannabis

.. ah! Daily Mail scare stories. Highly selective medical anecdotes is not how we should debate and decide on such issues. Agreed 'cannabis isn't a harmless drug', never denied it. However, as it seems to be, on the scientific evidence, far less harmful that alcohol, don't you think it rather illogical to legally deny people the opportunity of taking the least harmful route; while at the same time legally permitting (and heavily taxing) the more harmful option?

You guessed wrong, I didn’t quote from the Daily Mail that’s a lazy assumption
You “might” have a point regarding which is more harmful but as it stands its alcohol which is deemed the legal poison of choice

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
Seems the commenting system regards your name as offensive P-B!! Perhaps that should tell you something ;-)

Cant win the debate so resort to personal attacks , not clever

You are sensitive!

Do you really regard that as an attack?

Maybe it's you who are suffering from paranoia?

not me love don't touch the stuff

.. OK, Daily Mailesque - will that do?

Yes, as it stands alcohol is legal and cannabis is not. It needs to change. That will free up police time to target criminals who are harmful to society.

Not so long ago homosexuality was also illegal. We changed that. Why? Because it was totally illogical, scientifically stupid and a denial of reality. Can you not see the similarities?

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance.

Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not.

Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions.

It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance.

Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not.

Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions.

It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

.. wrong, wrong and wrong.

'Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems' just flies in the face of all the evidence. Millions upon millions of people in this country alone have used cannabis to no ill effects whatsoever.

Babs Stanley wrote:
****, Based on NHS and NTA statistics, anyone in Britain is six times more likely to experience mental health problems associated with alcohol use than with cannabis. Trouble is the facts just don't fit with your prejudice do they? I sympathise with you though. You're just another of the millions who have been brainwashed for many years by the media and politicians funded by Big Booze.

Yes Sherlock, but don't you think these figures are a little misguided?

Alcohol is not illegal and available to everybody over the age of 18, and drunk by most of the adult population.

Cannabis is an illegal drug, not so readily available and used by a fraction of the percentage of people that drink acohol.

The figures above prove nothing.

freefinker wrote:
.. OK, Daily Mailesque - will that do? Yes, as it stands alcohol is legal and cannabis is not. It needs to change. That will free up police time to target criminals who are harmful to society. Not so long ago homosexuality was also illegal. We changed that. Why? Because it was totally illogical, scientifically stupid and a denial of reality. Can you not see the similarities?

Daily Mailesque - will that do? Not really just because you don’t like what I am posting you assume it’s either the Daily Mail or a similar publication that doesn’t support your view
If you are debating Cannabis to be made legal instead of Alcohol then I could go for that (but I doubt society will agree to that) but if you are asking for Cannabis to me made legal as well then that’s not likely to happen.
Nope can’t see the similarities homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual activity between members of the same sex or gender on the whole quite harmless activity. Cannabis users can suffer from the following
Acute effects while under the influence can include euphoria and anxiety Concerns have been raised about the potential for long-term cannabis consumption to increase risk for schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, and major depression” not so harmless

freefinker wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance. Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not. Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions. It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

.. wrong, wrong and wrong. 'Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems' just flies in the face of all the evidence. Millions upon millions of people in this country alone have used cannabis to no ill effects whatsoever.

The very fact that you can't run a blood test to see if somebody's mental capacity is affected, how the hell do you know what percentage of the population have suffered from mental problems of some sort?

Speaking for the masses are you, based purely on the lack of schizophrenics walking the streets?

freefinker wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance. Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not. Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions. It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

.. wrong, wrong and wrong. 'Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems' just flies in the face of all the evidence. Millions upon millions of people in this country alone have used cannabis to no ill effects whatsoever.

or perhaps not everyone is so keen to admit they have a mental health problem it's not somthing people readily admit or are even aware of they have a problem

freefinker wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance. Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not. Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions. It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

.. wrong, wrong and wrong. 'Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems' just flies in the face of all the evidence. Millions upon millions of people in this country alone have used cannabis to no ill effects whatsoever.

80% of adult mental health clients receiving care in the "system" were/are regular recreational drug users. Cannabis does cause mental health problems and therefore should never be legalised. Many people will not agree with this, perhaps because they enjoy using illegal recreational drugs themselves??

The obvious people to ask are the medical profession. What is their overall view? Yes, they are against it! They can tell you the damage it does. (America has amazing facts on the subject and has many of their citizens to deal with as a consequence of cannabis use!)

George4th wrote:
The obvious people to ask are the medical profession. What is their overall view? Yes, they are against it! They can tell you the damage it does. (America has amazing facts on the subject and has many of their citizens to deal with as a consequence of cannabis use!)

Which of course is why medicinal cannabis is legal in a number of US states, and two states have just voted to legalise it outright. Medical professionals would likely tell you that cannabis has proven medical benefits, is medically and socially much less harmful than alcohol BUT excessive use (especially in under-18s) can sometimes lead to psychological problems.

waltons11 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance. Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not. Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions. It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

.. wrong, wrong and wrong. 'Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems' just flies in the face of all the evidence. Millions upon millions of people in this country alone have used cannabis to no ill effects whatsoever.

80% of adult mental health clients receiving care in the "system" were/are regular recreational drug users. Cannabis does cause mental health problems and therefore should never be legalised. Many people will not agree with this, perhaps because they enjoy using illegal recreational drugs themselves??

And how many are alcoholics?

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance.

Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not.

Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions.

It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

Hilarious. Go and walk round the streets of any UK city or town for 5 minutes and you'll see the psychological harm that alcohol can do.

waltons11 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance. Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not. Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions. It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

.. wrong, wrong and wrong. 'Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems' just flies in the face of all the evidence. Millions upon millions of people in this country alone have used cannabis to no ill effects whatsoever.

80% of adult mental health clients receiving care in the "system" were/are regular recreational drug users. Cannabis does cause mental health problems and therefore should never be legalised. Many people will not agree with this, perhaps because they enjoy using illegal recreational drugs themselves??

Have you stop and think about it all, all research about cannabis as been with people that do both drink and take cannabis.
Known effect of alcohol is to dehydrate the blood (cannabis do not), dehyydration of blood will cause, Kidney, Liver, Lungs, Brain, Skin, Bones, Heart, and many more damage to the body, alcohol kills body cells and when to many are killed the body can not replace them, it can coupe with a small number of dead cells, most mental heath clients do not drink or take cannabis, and the number that is left do both drink and cannabis, but they drink more than taking cannabis because Alcohol is easier to be able to get hold off and its cheap.
People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever.
Its Alcohol that causes mental health issues, it kills brain cells and that do not happen with Cannabis

More bl00dy foreigners taking the p.iss out of UK. When's this useless government going to learn and kick this s.hite out? We'll have the Bulgarians here soon with more knives, drugs and guns than you can shake a stick at, jeez!

Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever"
You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems

And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

****-Biker wrote:
Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever"
You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems

And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

I know people who do,(We have party members in the SP that work with mental health people) And what they say is worse, and it is Alcohol is the biggest problem, any thing that will dehydrate the Blood will cause massive problems. (that includes salt)
People don't become paranoid schizophrenics your born with it, and drinking Alcohol dehydrates the blood, kills brain cells and makes the problem worse than it is.

****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal.
It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced.

Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.

CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa.

Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

****-Biker wrote:
Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever"
You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems

And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

I have worked with the victims of cannabis abuse and can only agree with you. from what I have read of Southy's posts I suspect there may be untreatable damage there.

southy wrote:
****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal.
It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

Only a true user would devote so much energy to defending the filthy stuff.

The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion.

In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded:

"Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining"

The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria.

For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here:

http://www.clear-uk.
org/the-best-evidenc
e-about-cannabis-and
-mental-health/

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

Exactly. Most people don't feel like jumping in front of a train because of the voices they hear from drinking a few pints.

Alcohol abuse can cause physical health to deteriorate. Drug abuse can cause mental health to deteriorate.

It's mental health that is far more a risk to the individual and the general public than physical health.

southy wrote:
****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal. It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

I will find documented evidence if you wish but I work with those who have smoked a lot of cannabis from an early age and they have seriously screwd thier brains and will need intensive and long term treatment.If you doubt me please go and visit a consaultant psychaitrist or even a forensic consultant psychaitrist and tell them cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

sotonboy84 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

Exactly. Most people don't feel like jumping in front of a train because of the voices they hear from drinking a few pints.

Alcohol abuse can cause physical health to deteriorate. Drug abuse can cause mental health to deteriorate.

It's mental health that is far more a risk to the individual and the general public than physical health.

If you believe that alcohol causes no mental problems in people, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

kingnotail wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

Exactly. Most people don't feel like jumping in front of a train because of the voices they hear from drinking a few pints.

Alcohol abuse can cause physical health to deteriorate. Drug abuse can cause mental health to deteriorate.

It's mental health that is far more a risk to the individual and the general public than physical health.

If you believe that alcohol causes no mental problems in people, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Alcohol does cause some people to suffer mental problems, mainly due to addiction. These problems are however far less serious than those suffered by cannabis users, especially if smoking the stuff started in the teens, of course we will soon be seeing the same effects from passive smoking on children as has happened down the years in the Middle East. If you think suicide bombers are sane and merely mislead by religious freaks you've smoked one too many.

southy wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever" You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

I know people who do,(We have party members in the SP that work with mental health people) And what they say is worse, and it is Alcohol is the biggest problem, any thing that will dehydrate the Blood will cause massive problems. (that includes salt) People don't become paranoid schizophrenics your born with it, and drinking Alcohol dehydrates the blood, kills brain cells and makes the problem worse than it is.

I don’t doubt Alcohol is a “bigger” problem because it is more readily available but as I said please go and see these people (admittedly that’s unlikely) for yourself before spouting nonsense, especially the secure units in the county, go see their histories and see what a bit of lovely cannabis leads to.

kingnotail wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

Exactly. Most people don't feel like jumping in front of a train because of the voices they hear from drinking a few pints. Alcohol abuse can cause physical health to deteriorate. Drug abuse can cause mental health to deteriorate. It's mental health that is far more a risk to the individual and the general public than physical health.

If you believe that alcohol causes no mental problems in people, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I didn't say alcohol causes no mental health problems. It can cause mental health problems when abused and somebody becomes dependent on it, and an addiction is a mental health problem. Your average person who drinks alcohol a couple of times a week and at weekends is not dependent on it and does not suffer from mental health problems and no lasting effects.

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion.

In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded:

"Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining"

The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria.

For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here:

http://www.clear-uk.

org/the-best-evidenc

e-about-cannabis-and

-mental-health/

For the undecided out there, apart from the increasing Mental problems (especially amongst teenagers) caused by cannabis, the use of cannabis can, for example, cut a man's sperm count and reduce sperm motility - it can suppress ovulation in women and affect fertility. And the list goes on.
>
The medical profession is totally against the open use of it.

****-Biker wrote:

southy wrote:
****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal. It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

I will find documented evidence if you wish but I work with those who have smoked a lot of cannabis from an early age and they have seriously screwd thier brains and will need intensive and long term treatment.If you doubt me please go and visit a consaultant psychaitrist or even a forensic consultant psychaitrist and tell them cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

You're simply not telling the truth. No respectable professional would ever make such wild and false assertions.

The world's leading expert on the causes of psychosis is Professor Glyn Lewis at Cardiff/Bristol Univs. He says there is no causal link only correlation and the increase in risk from cannabis use is tiny.

George4th wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion.

In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded:

"Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining"

The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria.

For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here:

http://www.clear-uk.


org/the-best-evidenc


e-about-cannabis-and


-mental-health/

For the undecided out there, apart from the increasing Mental problems (especially amongst teenagers) caused by cannabis, the use of cannabis can, for example, cut a man's sperm count and reduce sperm motility - it can suppress ovulation in women and affect fertility. And the list goes on.
>
The medical profession is totally against the open use of it.

Rubbish.

GW Pharma has bought up every doctor in the UK and Sativex, its super concentrated cannabis tincture has no such warnings even in its 100 page SPC document.

Throughout Europe, the USA and Israel thousands of doctors recommend it as one of the safest and most effective medicines

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of
cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have
decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to
the health of those who use it.

****-Biker wrote:

southy wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever" You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

I know people who do,(We have party members in the SP that work with mental health people) And what they say is worse, and it is Alcohol is the biggest problem, any thing that will dehydrate the Blood will cause massive problems. (that includes salt) People don't become paranoid schizophrenics your born with it, and drinking Alcohol dehydrates the blood, kills brain cells and makes the problem worse than it is.

I don’t doubt Alcohol is a “bigger” problem because it is more readily available but as I said please go and see these people (admittedly that’s unlikely) for yourself before spouting nonsense, especially the secure units in the county, go see their histories and see what a bit of lovely cannabis leads to.

You are simply not telling the truth. HES, NTA and NHS statistics do not support your empty assertions.

You're either simply a liar or you;re not who you say you are. Maybe you sweep the floors in a mental health unit becaue you are misrepresenting the facts.

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

southy wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever" You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

I know people who do,(We have party members in the SP that work with mental health people) And what they say is worse, and it is Alcohol is the biggest problem, any thing that will dehydrate the Blood will cause massive problems. (that includes salt) People don't become paranoid schizophrenics your born with it, and drinking Alcohol dehydrates the blood, kills brain cells and makes the problem worse than it is.

I don’t doubt Alcohol is a “bigger” problem because it is more readily available but as I said please go and see these people (admittedly that’s unlikely) for yourself before spouting nonsense, especially the secure units in the county, go see their histories and see what a bit of lovely cannabis leads to.

You are simply not telling the truth. HES, NTA and NHS statistics do not support your empty assertions. You're either simply a liar or you;re not who you say you are. Maybe you sweep the floors in a mental health unit becaue you are misrepresenting the facts.

I can publish as many facts as you and i have first hand knowledge which you do not, go and find out for yourself and come back with somthing useful to say.

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of
cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have
decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to
the health of those who use it.

Children shouldn't use cannabis.

As Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Inst of Psychiatry said last year:

"Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains but risky for under-18s"

And some other well qualified specialists:

“Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University.

“I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.” - Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

“I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners.

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

southy wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever" You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

I know people who do,(We have party members in the SP that work with mental health people) And what they say is worse, and it is Alcohol is the biggest problem, any thing that will dehydrate the Blood will cause massive problems. (that includes salt) People don't become paranoid schizophrenics your born with it, and drinking Alcohol dehydrates the blood, kills brain cells and makes the problem worse than it is.

I don’t doubt Alcohol is a “bigger” problem because it is more readily available but as I said please go and see these people (admittedly that’s unlikely) for yourself before spouting nonsense, especially the secure units in the county, go see their histories and see what a bit of lovely cannabis leads to.

You are simply not telling the truth. HES, NTA and NHS statistics do not support your empty assertions. You're either simply a liar or you;re not who you say you are. Maybe you sweep the floors in a mental health unit becaue you are misrepresenting the facts.

I can publish as many facts as you and i have first hand knowledge which you do not, go and find out for yourself and come back with somthing useful to say.

Please do not upset yopurself over abusive comments posted against you, remember that the only people with a need to defend the use of cannabis are the users themselves. They are less likely to be as sane as we are.

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of
cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have
decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to
the health of those who use it.

Children shouldn't use cannabis.

As Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Inst of Psychiatry said last year:

"Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains but risky for under-18s"

And some other well qualified specialists:

“Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University.

“I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.” - Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

“I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners.

Seems your Dr Clare gets around!
"The reputation that cannabis is a safe drug is unjustified. The reasons for this misplaced view are that it is not immediately lethal in the way that heroin is, that its effects on mood state are not as obvious as alcohol and that its capacity to produce dependence, like alcohol is slow and insidious and its widespread use is a relatively new phenomana. Recent Inquires on cannabis have come to the same conclusion, that cannabis can be harmful and that its use should be discouraged"

Statement was prepared by Dr Clare Gerada, former-Project Director of the Royal College of General Practitioners Drug Training Programme and endorsed by UK Council

Worldwide Summary of adverse effects of cannabis

Acute effects

Anxiety and panic, especially in naive users.
Impaired attention, memory, and psychomotor performance while intoxicated.
Possibly an increased risk of accident if a person drives a motor vehicle while intoxicated with cannabis, especially if used with alcohol and tranquilisers.
Increased risk of psychotic symptoms among those who are vulnerable because of personal or family history of psychosis.
Increase risk of low birth weight babies if smoked in pregnancy.

Chronic effects (uncertain but most probable)

Chronic bronchitis and histopathological changes that may be precursors of malignant disease.
A cannabis dependence syndrome characterised by an inability to abstain from or to control cannabis use, craving and tolerance to the physical and mental effects of the drug. The risk of dependence is estimated at less than 20% if the drug is taken more than five times and 10% for those who have ever used. Between 15-30% of users report difficulty in controlling their use and withdrawal symptoms are common in this group.
Subtle impairments of attention and memory that persist while the user remains chronically. intoxicated, and this may or may not be reversible after prolonged abstinence .

Possible adverse effects (to be confirmed)

Increased risks of cancers of the oral cavity, pharynx and oesophagus: leukaemia among the offspring exposed in utero.
Impaired educational attainment in adolescents and under-achievement in adults in occupations that require high-level cognitive skills.
Groups that are at higher risk of experiencing these adverse effects:
Adolescents with a history of poor school performance, who initiate cannabis use in their early teens, are at increased risk of using other drugs and of becoming dependent on cannabis.
Women who continue to smoke cannabis during pregnancy may increase their risk of low birth weight babies.
People with schizophrenia, asthma, bronchitis alcohol and other drug dependence, whose illnesses are exacerbated by cannabis use.

Summary of effects in non-vulnerable individuals

Panic attacks
Toxic psychosis
Summary of effects in vulnerable individuals
Individuals with mental disorder are at increased risk of misusing cannabis.
There is 4–6 times increase risk of cannabis misuse in schizophrenia.
Heavy use of cannabis is a probable risk factor for schizophrenia.
Cannabis use may worsen some symptoms of schizophrenia and increase the rate of relapse.
Heavy cannabis use may cause short term reversible cognitive impairments in adolescents

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of
cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have
decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to
the health of those who use it.

Children shouldn't use cannabis.

As Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Inst of Psychiatry said last year:

"Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains but risky for under-18s"

And some other well qualified specialists:

“Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University.

“I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.” - Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

“I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners.

And of course all those users of illegal substances freely admitted it, get real.

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of
cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have
decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to
the health of those who use it.

Children shouldn't use cannabis.

As Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Inst of Psychiatry said last year:

"Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains but risky for under-18s"

And some other well qualified specialists:

“Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University.

“I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.” - Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

“I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners.

And of course all those users of illegal substances freely admitted it, get real.

So the expert's opinions mean nothing against some all-knowing douchebag commentator on a crap town's crap newspaper's comments board?

here he goes with his anti southampton anti hamsphire rant

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

southy wrote: ****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal. It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

I will find documented evidence if you wish but I work with those who have smoked a lot of cannabis from an early age and they have seriously screwd thier brains and will need intensive and long term treatment.If you doubt me please go and visit a consaultant psychaitrist or even a forensic consultant psychaitrist and tell them cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

You're simply not telling the truth. No respectable professional would ever make such wild and false assertions. The world's leading expert on the causes of psychosis is Professor Glyn Lewis at Cardiff/Bristol Univs. He says there is no causal link only correlation and the increase in risk from cannabis use is tiny.

Okay then. As we're focussing on the known and proven negative side effects of Cannabis use, what are the positive effects of Cannabis that medication/pain relief drugs already in use cannot do???

****-Biker wrote:
here he goes with his anti southampton anti hamsphire rant

Seriously apart from heavy drug use it's the only fun pastime on offer in Southampton.

kingnotail wrote:

****-Biker wrote:
here he goes with his anti southampton anti hamsphire rant

Seriously apart from heavy drug use it's the only fun pastime on offer in Southampton.

You've not discovered sex then?

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
At present I reckon the price of cannabis relative to other legal drugs such as alcohol or tobacco is probably at a historical low.

So either:

1) law enforcement is ineffective and only scratching the surface

2) the tax or alcohol and cigarettes is too high

I am not a great fan of complete legalisation but the model now being used in several US states of all places might be worth having a look at.

You don't buy weed in the town centre then! £10 for not even a gram is the going rate in Southampton. And it's not even good stuff! Lol

It doesn't have to be completely legal anyway. We'd all be happy if we could grow at least 1 plant par household and smoke it there. What's not fair about that? Hello good quality weed, goodbye drug deals and criminals...

Inform Al wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

southy wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Southy "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever" You haven’t worked with people with mental health problems And to rest of those who wish to legalise this stuff go and work with those who have become paranoid schizophrenics and have damaged their minds by smoking this stuff

I know people who do,(We have party members in the SP that work with mental health people) And what they say is worse, and it is Alcohol is the biggest problem, any thing that will dehydrate the Blood will cause massive problems. (that includes salt) People don't become paranoid schizophrenics your born with it, and drinking Alcohol dehydrates the blood, kills brain cells and makes the problem worse than it is.

I don’t doubt Alcohol is a “bigger” problem because it is more readily available but as I said please go and see these people (admittedly that’s unlikely) for yourself before spouting nonsense, especially the secure units in the county, go see their histories and see what a bit of lovely cannabis leads to.

You are simply not telling the truth. HES, NTA and NHS statistics do not support your empty assertions. You're either simply a liar or you;re not who you say you are. Maybe you sweep the floors in a mental health unit becaue you are misrepresenting the facts.

I can publish as many facts as you and i have first hand knowledge which you do not, go and find out for yourself and come back with somthing useful to say.

Please do not upset yopurself over abusive comments posted against you, remember that the only people with a need to defend the use of cannabis are the users themselves. They are less likely to be as sane as we are.

I have made postings on this forum for over 3 months now, the main reason I started was to counter the ridiculous statements that were being made about mental health issues and related subjects, cannabis being one of them.
I have seen many stories regarding cannabis on this website totally dominated by those who believe it should be legalised, I have decided it should be a more even contest. Having worked with some very unwell people who have smoked a lot of cannabis and yes done some other drugs including alcohol. Some of these People done some really nasty horrible things in their lives and in many of these cases will need quite intensive mental health service input (10 years is not unusual) either by keeping them in hospital or supported accommodation and will need a lot of valuable staff time wherever they are accommodated which all costs a lot of money from the poor old taxpayer.

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to the health of those who use it.

Children shouldn't use cannabis. As Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Inst of Psychiatry said last year: "Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains but risky for under-18s" And some other well qualified specialists: “Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University. “I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.” - Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. “I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners.

So Babs as I said here are my quotes but you normally resort to personal attacks when you don't get your own way

Professor John Henry, a consultant in toxicology from St Mary's Hospital in London, told the BBC that studies from Sweden and elsewhere pointed to an increase in schizophrenia among regular cannabis smokers.

Professor Robin Murray, professor of psychiatry at London's Institute of Psychiatry and member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, said: "There is no doubt that cannabis-related psychiatric problems have increased substantially.

What we can say is that cannabis use is associated with an increased experience of psychotic disorders. ACMD's third cannabis report (Rawlins et al, 2008)

The charity Rethink says a review of research published in The Lancet last year found frequent cannabis use increased the risk of psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia by 40%.

Heavy cannabis misuse leads to the risk of psychotic episodes, and aggravates the symptoms and course of schizophrenia.
Andrew Johns, FRCPsych, (Royal College of Psychiatrists)

George4th wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to the health of those who use it.

Children shouldn't use cannabis. As Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Inst of Psychiatry said last year: "Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains but risky for under-18s" And some other well qualified specialists: “Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University. “I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.” - Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. “I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners.

Seems your Dr Clare gets around! "The reputation that cannabis is a safe drug is unjustified. The reasons for this misplaced view are that it is not immediately lethal in the way that heroin is, that its effects on mood state are not as obvious as alcohol and that its capacity to produce dependence, like alcohol is slow and insidious and its widespread use is a relatively new phenomana. Recent Inquires on cannabis have come to the same conclusion, that cannabis can be harmful and that its use should be discouraged" Statement was prepared by Dr Clare Gerada, former-Project Director of the Royal College of General Practitioners Drug Training Programme and endorsed by UK Council Worldwide Summary of adverse effects of cannabis Acute effects Anxiety and panic, especially in naive users. Impaired attention, memory, and psychomotor performance while intoxicated. Possibly an increased risk of accident if a person drives a motor vehicle while intoxicated with cannabis, especially if used with alcohol and tranquilisers. Increased risk of psychotic symptoms among those who are vulnerable because of personal or family history of psychosis. Increase risk of low birth weight babies if smoked in pregnancy. Chronic effects (uncertain but most probable) Chronic bronchitis and histopathological changes that may be precursors of malignant disease. A cannabis dependence syndrome characterised by an inability to abstain from or to control cannabis use, craving and tolerance to the physical and mental effects of the drug. The risk of dependence is estimated at less than 20% if the drug is taken more than five times and 10% for those who have ever used. Between 15-30% of users report difficulty in controlling their use and withdrawal symptoms are common in this group. Subtle impairments of attention and memory that persist while the user remains chronically. intoxicated, and this may or may not be reversible after prolonged abstinence . Possible adverse effects (to be confirmed) Increased risks of cancers of the oral cavity, pharynx and oesophagus: leukaemia among the offspring exposed in utero. Impaired educational attainment in adolescents and under-achievement in adults in occupations that require high-level cognitive skills. Groups that are at higher risk of experiencing these adverse effects: Adolescents with a history of poor school performance, who initiate cannabis use in their early teens, are at increased risk of using other drugs and of becoming dependent on cannabis. Women who continue to smoke cannabis during pregnancy may increase their risk of low birth weight babies. People with schizophrenia, asthma, bronchitis alcohol and other drug dependence, whose illnesses are exacerbated by cannabis use. Summary of effects in non-vulnerable individuals Panic attacks Toxic psychosis Summary of effects in vulnerable individuals Individuals with mental disorder are at increased risk of misusing cannabis. There is 4–6 times increase risk of cannabis misuse in schizophrenia. Heavy use of cannabis is a probable risk factor for schizophrenia. Cannabis use may worsen some symptoms of schizophrenia and increase the rate of relapse. Heavy cannabis use may cause short term reversible cognitive impairments in adolescents

good post!

Inform Al wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

****-Biker wrote:
here he goes with his anti southampton anti hamsphire rant

Seriously apart from heavy drug use it's the only fun pastime on offer in Southampton.

You've not discovered sex then?

Only with yo momma

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

southy wrote: ****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal. It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

I will find documented evidence if you wish but I work with those who have smoked a lot of cannabis from an early age and they have seriously screwd thier brains and will need intensive and long term treatment.If you doubt me please go and visit a consaultant psychaitrist or even a forensic consultant psychaitrist and tell them cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

You're simply not telling the truth. No respectable professional would ever make such wild and false assertions. The world's leading expert on the causes of psychosis is Professor Glyn Lewis at Cardiff/Bristol Univs. He says there is no causal link only correlation and the increase in risk from cannabis use is tiny.

Babs go and see a consultant psychiatrist and ask him /her for their views consultant psychiatrist and ask him /her for their views

So how many of you have a view yet dont even or ever have used marjibargy?! I love you people who have a opinion but not an experience! Just sayin......

kiddynamite wrote:
So how many of you have a view yet dont even or ever have used marjibargy?! I love you people who have a opinion but not an experience! Just sayin......

My experience has been helping victims of cannabis abuse who now have irreversable brain damage. I'm therefore not likely to be stupid enough to gain experience of using the stuff or anything like it. Just saying......

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work. The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

I congratulated the police for bringing a successful prosecution, I definitely don’t think Babs Stanley is right at all just because the war on drugs is difficult doesn’t mean we should just give in.
Alcohol is sold mostly by legal means and many people drink alcohol to excess so how will legalising cannabis stop people from consuming too much.

then by rights what you are saying is ban alcoholism and alcohol as well???

sotonboy84 wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

You seem to know so much about cannabis but have omitted the main reason that it is a banned illegal substance.

Cannabis, even used occasionally or recreationally causes mental health problems. Alcohol and cigarettes when used occasionally or recreationally do not.

Of course, if you use vast amounts of alcohol or cigarettes this can cause other health problems but they do not cause mental conditions.

It's a banned substance for every good reason and will not be legalised no matter how much junkies and those 'in pain' moan on about it.

actually alcohol and ciggies are a cause of DEATH and ILLNESS in occasional use as well...also alcoholics rarely admit even to them selves that they are dependent!!!

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced.

Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.

CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa.

Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

what about the drunks who kill and commit suicide then??there is far more evidence of this going on as it is legal I suppose,this whole argument is about cold cash nothing else,if cannabis was a tax earner it WOULD be legal like, yesterday....

Inform Al wrote:

southy wrote:
****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal.
It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

Only a true user would devote so much energy to defending the filthy stuff.

not true,I regularly like a drink,never smoke pot as don't like the 'buzz'but will defend it's decriminalisation none the less as it surely is down to preference!!when your eyes open you tend to see bureaucratic hypocrisy for what it is...

sotonboy84 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

Exactly. Most people don't feel like jumping in front of a train because of the voices they hear from drinking a few pints. Alcohol abuse can cause physical health to deteriorate. Drug abuse can cause mental health to deteriorate. It's mental health that is far more a risk to the individual and the general public than physical health.

If you believe that alcohol causes no mental problems in people, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I didn't say alcohol causes no mental health problems. It can cause mental health problems when abused and somebody becomes dependent on it, and an addiction is a mental health problem. Your average person who drinks alcohol a couple of times a week and at weekends is not dependent on it and does not suffer from mental health problems and no lasting effects.

sorry if you drink at week end's and a couple of times a week i am sure that clinically constitutes alcoholism!!!

George4th wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion.

In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded:

"Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining"

The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria.

For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here:

http://www.clear-uk.


org/the-best-evidenc


e-about-cannabis-and


-mental-health/

For the undecided out there, apart from the increasing Mental problems (especially amongst teenagers) caused by cannabis, the use of cannabis can, for example, cut a man's sperm count and reduce sperm motility - it can suppress ovulation in women and affect fertility. And the list goes on.
>
The medical profession is totally against the open use of it.

dont forget that DRINKING does the same!!

****-Biker wrote:

George4th wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion. In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded: "Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining" The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria. For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

the ACMD aslo said in thier 2008 report The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to the health of those who use it.

Children shouldn't use cannabis. As Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Inst of Psychiatry said last year: "Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains but risky for under-18s" And some other well qualified specialists: “Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University. “I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.” - Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. “I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners.

Seems your Dr Clare gets around! "The reputation that cannabis is a safe drug is unjustified. The reasons for this misplaced view are that it is not immediately lethal in the way that heroin is, that its effects on mood state are not as obvious as alcohol and that its capacity to produce dependence, like alcohol is slow and insidious and its widespread use is a relatively new phenomana. Recent Inquires on cannabis have come to the same conclusion, that cannabis can be harmful and that its use should be discouraged" Statement was prepared by Dr Clare Gerada, former-Project Director of the Royal College of General Practitioners Drug Training Programme and endorsed by UK Council Worldwide Summary of adverse effects of cannabis Acute effects Anxiety and panic, especially in naive users. Impaired attention, memory, and psychomotor performance while intoxicated. Possibly an increased risk of accident if a person drives a motor vehicle while intoxicated with cannabis, especially if used with alcohol and tranquilisers. Increased risk of psychotic symptoms among those who are vulnerable because of personal or family history of psychosis. Increase risk of low birth weight babies if smoked in pregnancy. Chronic effects (uncertain but most probable) Chronic bronchitis and histopathological changes that may be precursors of malignant disease. A cannabis dependence syndrome characterised by an inability to abstain from or to control cannabis use, craving and tolerance to the physical and mental effects of the drug. The risk of dependence is estimated at less than 20% if the drug is taken more than five times and 10% for those who have ever used. Between 15-30% of users report difficulty in controlling their use and withdrawal symptoms are common in this group. Subtle impairments of attention and memory that persist while the user remains chronically. intoxicated, and this may or may not be reversible after prolonged abstinence . Possible adverse effects (to be confirmed) Increased risks of cancers of the oral cavity, pharynx and oesophagus: leukaemia among the offspring exposed in utero. Impaired educational attainment in adolescents and under-achievement in adults in occupations that require high-level cognitive skills. Groups that are at higher risk of experiencing these adverse effects: Adolescents with a history of poor school performance, who initiate cannabis use in their early teens, are at increased risk of using other drugs and of becoming dependent on cannabis. Women who continue to smoke cannabis during pregnancy may increase their risk of low birth weight babies. People with schizophrenia, asthma, bronchitis alcohol and other drug dependence, whose illnesses are exacerbated by cannabis use. Summary of effects in non-vulnerable individuals Panic attacks Toxic psychosis Summary of effects in vulnerable individuals Individuals with mental disorder are at increased risk of misusing cannabis. There is 4–6 times increase risk of cannabis misuse in schizophrenia. Heavy use of cannabis is a probable risk factor for schizophrenia. Cannabis use may worsen some symptoms of schizophrenia and increase the rate of relapse. Heavy cannabis use may cause short term reversible cognitive impairments in adolescents

good post!

i bet you could find more or less the same advice about alcohol as well,the trouble is why is one legal and not the other??could it be money???

kiddynamite wrote:
So how many of you have a view yet dont even or ever have used marjibargy?! I love you people who have a opinion but not an experience! Just sayin......

lol SOOO true!!

Inform Al wrote:

kiddynamite wrote:
So how many of you have a view yet dont even or ever have used marjibargy?! I love you people who have a opinion but not an experience! Just sayin......

My experience has been helping victims of cannabis abuse who now have irreversable brain damage. I'm therefore not likely to be stupid enough to gain experience of using the stuff or anything like it. Just saying......

whose to say who has the brain damage though??I find 'book taught' drug workers with no real experience of any substance usually very unhelpful or miss informed...just saying.

DiscoPig (dj) wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

kiddynamite wrote:
So how many of you have a view yet dont even or ever have used marjibargy?! I love you people who have a opinion but not an experience! Just sayin......

My experience has been helping victims of cannabis abuse who now have irreversable brain damage. I'm therefore not likely to be stupid enough to gain experience of using the stuff or anything like it. Just saying......

whose to say who has the brain damage though??I find 'book taught' drug workers with no real experience of any substance usually very unhelpful or miss informed...just saying.

Not book taught but learned through hands on experience, the sort of experince that tells me that most of those defending the stupid habit will be users. Just saying.

DiscoPig (dj) wrote:

George4th wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:
The whores for prohibition are out and angry aren't they? Every comment spiced with abuse and empty assertion.

In 2009 in response to media hysteria, the ACMD commissioned Keele university to look at psychosis/ schizophrenia and cannabis use. The experts looked at 600,000 subjects concluded:

"Despite massive increases in cannabis use and more potent varieties the rate and prevalence of psychosis and schizophrenia is stable or declining"

The original Reefer Madness propaganda in the 1930s said that cannabis "makes white women promiscuous with black men". The latest scare stories and myths have no firmer basis in evidence and are equally based on prejudice and hysteria.

For some FACTS and EVIDENCE on the subject see here:

http://www.clear-uk.



org/the-best-evidenc



e-about-cannabis-and



-mental-health/

For the undecided out there, apart from the increasing Mental problems (especially amongst teenagers) caused by cannabis, the use of cannabis can, for example, cut a man's sperm count and reduce sperm motility - it can suppress ovulation in women and affect fertility. And the list goes on.
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The medical profession is totally against the open use of it.

dont forget that DRINKING does the same!!

I've looked and there's nothing like that in my coffee.

DiscoPig (dj) wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

southy wrote:
****-Biker do some research, go back to the 1920's and find out the real reason why Cannabis was made illegal in the first place, and then come up to date and find out why its still illegal.
It has nothing to do with mental heath issues, its all about money.

Only a true user would devote so much energy to defending the filthy stuff.

not true,I regularly like a drink,never smoke pot as don't like the 'buzz'but will defend it's decriminalisation none the less as it surely is down to preference!!when your eyes open you tend to see bureaucratic hypocrisy for what it is...

Think your denial has just confirmed my suspicion

DiscoPig (dj) wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

sotonboy84 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

Exactly. Most people don't feel like jumping in front of a train because of the voices they hear from drinking a few pints. Alcohol abuse can cause physical health to deteriorate. Drug abuse can cause mental health to deteriorate. It's mental health that is far more a risk to the individual and the general public than physical health.

If you believe that alcohol causes no mental problems in people, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I didn't say alcohol causes no mental health problems. It can cause mental health problems when abused and somebody becomes dependent on it, and an addiction is a mental health problem. Your average person who drinks alcohol a couple of times a week and at weekends is not dependent on it and does not suffer from mental health problems and no lasting effects.

sorry if you drink at week end's and a couple of times a week i am sure that clinically constitutes alcoholism!!!

Depends on the individual if they can handle their drink

DiscoPig (dj) wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

Oh no not another lets legalise cannabis post, no lets congratulate the police and the authorities for making a successful prosecution and lets hope there would be many others

.. why congratulate the police? They knew nothing at all about this plantation; so much for their intelligence work. The very fact that you 'hope there would be many others' is an admission that Babs Stanley is right. You will not stop the trade in cannabis by passing laws or having police crack downs. There is considerable demand for this relatively safe drug/medication; ergo there will be supply, and nothing will stop it. The ‘War on Drugs’ is a fake concept. As a society we need to acknowledge that Homo sapiens has an almost innate desire to ingest substances that alter perception; for both pure enjoyment and/or cultural reasons. To restrict the options to just one substance, alcohol, seems pretty crass to me; mainly because it is one of the more destructive drugs when it becomes over abused.

I congratulated the police for bringing a successful prosecution, I definitely don’t think Babs Stanley is right at all just because the war on drugs is difficult doesn’t mean we should just give in. Alcohol is sold mostly by legal means and many people drink alcohol to excess so how will legalising cannabis stop people from consuming too much.

then by rights what you are saying is ban alcoholism and alcohol as well???

Not necessarily, the point I was making that the “legalise cannabis brigade” tend to use the excuse that if you legalise it you can control it and stop people consuming too much, with alcohol this hasn’t proven to be the case

DiscoPig (dj) wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote: Are we so stupid in Britain that we cannot learn the lessons of history? If we prohibit something for which there is huge demand then the price rises and violent criminals become involved. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. The evidence is that where legal regulation is introduced, consumption by children and all health and social harms are reduced. Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform commissioned independent, expert research that shows a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion pa. Our present policy on cannabis is irrational, irresponsible and dangerous. On 6th November 2012 Colorado and Washington state legalised cannabis for adults, Surely, this inevitable and long overdue reform will now begin to roll out across the world?

And the murders and suicides by those whose mental health has deteriorated by the use of these drugs will no longer matter as we gain financially. Why not go the whole hog and legalise murder, that should save us buckets of money.

what about the drunks who kill and commit suicide then??there is far more evidence of this going on as it is legal I suppose,this whole argument is about cold cash nothing else,if cannabis was a tax earner it WOULD be legal like, yesterday....

err...no, thankfully