Man jailed for station racist abuse and stabbing threat (From Daily Echo)

6 weeks for threatening to stab someone ?! should that not be 6 years !

"He’s a big man"
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No, he's really not.

6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!
!!

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!

!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!


!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!



!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!




!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!





!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

This is the nub of it.
.
Officially, prison is meant to be about punishment and rehabilitation simultaneously. But experience and (and formal research) shows those two things to be pretty incompatible.

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!






!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

This is the nub of it.
.
Officially, prison is meant to be about punishment and rehabilitation simultaneously. But experience and (and formal research) shows those two things to be pretty incompatible.

Ps - you're "but currently isn't" statement is patently untrue for the *vast* majority of offenders by the way.

Oops - *your

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!






!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

This is the nub of it.
.
Officially, prison is meant to be about punishment and rehabilitation simultaneously. But experience and (and formal research) shows those two things to be pretty incompatible.

What else can we do as a society?

I'm actually interested in your thoughts. An example of this article, can this man be rehabilitated in 6 weeks (if he serves that)?

Now, if we invested in more prisons, prisoners would have longer to be assessed before they are released back into a normal society.

At the moment, we lock them up for a couple of weeks and they simply return to their normal habbits. Occasionally we see the odd one who goes on to educate others about how their past hasn't worked, but that is extremely rare.

I'm open to all suggestions, but the current system simply isn't working.

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!







!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

This is the nub of it.
.
Officially, prison is meant to be about punishment and rehabilitation simultaneously. But experience and (and formal research) shows those two things to be pretty incompatible.

What else can we do as a society?

I'm actually interested in your thoughts. An example of this article, can this man be rehabilitated in 6 weeks (if he serves that)?

Now, if we invested in more prisons, prisoners would have longer to be assessed before they are released back into a normal society.

At the moment, we lock them up for a couple of weeks and they simply return to their normal habbits. Occasionally we see the odd one who goes on to educate others about how their past hasn't worked, but that is extremely rare.

I'm open to all suggestions, but the current system simply isn't working.

This man is already a serving prisoner so the 6 weeks are just in addition to the time he has already been sentenced to. No wonder he showed no emotion as he was sentenced. Prison is not the place for rehabilitation. No doubt he will serve these 2 sentences and then return to Her Majesty's hotel for a further stay in the future.

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!







!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

This is the nub of it.
.
Officially, prison is meant to be about punishment and rehabilitation simultaneously. But experience and (and formal research) shows those two things to be pretty incompatible.

What else can we do as a society?

I'm actually interested in your thoughts. An example of this article, can this man be rehabilitated in 6 weeks (if he serves that)?

Now, if we invested in more prisons, prisoners would have longer to be assessed before they are released back into a normal society.

At the moment, we lock them up for a couple of weeks and they simply return to their normal habbits. Occasionally we see the odd one who goes on to educate others about how their past hasn't worked, but that is extremely rare.

I'm open to all suggestions, but the current system simply isn't working.

The most effective thing would be to throw all our resources at education and rehabilitation.
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Removing people's liberty is a punishment in itself. I don't think many people actually realise what that really feels like - the sense as an adult of powerlessness, impotence, and fear that comes from having zero control over your own life.
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The great British public want more than that though, and essentially want to see offenders visibly suffering. It's not much better than the Colosseum when you look at it like that.
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As we've found with education over the years, hitting people whilst you're trying to teach them doesn't work very well. The most effective teachers are those that form a connection of trust and respect with their pupils. You can't forge those connections if you're the one humiliating them and causing them suffering.
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There's much, *much* more to it than that - creating environments conducive to reform and so on - I've just picked an example easy to explain quickly.
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The most effective thing to do would be for our lawmakers (the legislature) to direct the prison system 100% towards education and reform. To make prisoners spend 8 hours each day receiving education, psychological counselling, and professional training, rather than 20+ hours in their cells doing nothing. Reoffending rates would plummet.
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The Daily Mail wouldn't like it much though - particularly in an era of tuition fees. The public has a bloodlust that needs to be satisfied it seems, no matter how counterproductive it is for society as a whole.
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So it would require politicians with cojones, and more commitment to societal improvement than their own political self-preservation. Not bleedin likely then unfortunately.

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!








!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

This is the nub of it.
.
Officially, prison is meant to be about punishment and rehabilitation simultaneously. But experience and (and formal research) shows those two things to be pretty incompatible.

What else can we do as a society?

I'm actually interested in your thoughts. An example of this article, can this man be rehabilitated in 6 weeks (if he serves that)?

Now, if we invested in more prisons, prisoners would have longer to be assessed before they are released back into a normal society.

At the moment, we lock them up for a couple of weeks and they simply return to their normal habbits. Occasionally we see the odd one who goes on to educate others about how their past hasn't worked, but that is extremely rare.

I'm open to all suggestions, but the current system simply isn't working.

The most effective thing would be to throw all our resources at education and rehabilitation.
.
Removing people's liberty is a punishment in itself. I don't think many people actually realise what that really feels like - the sense as an adult of powerlessness, impotence, and fear that comes from having zero control over your own life.
.
The great British public want more than that though, and essentially want to see offenders visibly suffering. It's not much better than the Colosseum when you look at it like that.
.
As we've found with education over the years, hitting people whilst you're trying to teach them doesn't work very well. The most effective teachers are those that form a connection of trust and respect with their pupils. You can't forge those connections if you're the one humiliating them and causing them suffering.
.
There's much, *much* more to it than that - creating environments conducive to reform and so on - I've just picked an example easy to explain quickly.
.
The most effective thing to do would be for our lawmakers (the legislature) to direct the prison system 100% towards education and reform. To make prisoners spend 8 hours each day receiving education, psychological counselling, and professional training, rather than 20+ hours in their cells doing nothing. Reoffending rates would plummet.
.
The Daily Mail wouldn't like it much though - particularly in an era of tuition fees. The public has a bloodlust that needs to be satisfied it seems, no matter how counterproductive it is for society as a whole.
.
So it would require politicians with cojones, and more commitment to societal improvement than their own political self-preservation. Not bleedin likely then unfortunately.

I really and sincerely would like to agree with you. However, how can a person receive such education on a small sentence?

We don't have the prison space that would allow for these reforms to be suitable. We cannot change a life long criminal in a matter of weeks, it will take years. Let's not forget many (not all) come from criminal backgrounds so it's built into them that crime pays.

Appreciate your thoughts!

If we invested in more prisons and better education of the inmates, we wouldn't need extra Police as the criminals would either be locked up or reformed.

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

sparkster wrote:
6 weeks unbelievable!!!!!!!!









!!

It's not! We simply don't have the capacity to lock people up for longer.
We could double our Police Force and it won't make any difference as the criminals will be back on the streets in no time as we are lacking Prison spaces.

We moan on one hand we want more Police on the streets, what is the point? They are sending the same people to Court day in day out.

More prisons and longer sentences is the only way forward. Let the criminals fight each other inside whilst us decent people can walk around safe.

Prison doesn't actually achieve much anyway - hence the reoffending rates. In many cases it makes matters worse.
.
Increasing resources would be a forward step, but they need to be focused on rehabilitation and education rather than building US-style superjails or anything of that nature.
.
Leaving aside the 'soft' issues - rehabilitating a criminal and making them an income-generating member of society is *far* more cost-effective for the taxpayer than punishing them. It also reduces the number of future victims.

Would it be fair to say many are beyond rehabilitation? What do we do with these people?

I'm happy to go with you on this one and spend money on educating these people, but so many are beyond help and the money is wasted.

We also have to look at why prison doesn't work. Does it provide punishment or do some see it as a holiday camp?

Let's not forget prison is supposed to be punishment for a crime you're convicted of, punishment should be removal of all luxuries etc, but currently it isn't.

This is the nub of it.
.
Officially, prison is meant to be about punishment and rehabilitation simultaneously. But experience and (and formal research) shows those two things to be pretty incompatible.

What else can we do as a society?

I'm actually interested in your thoughts. An example of this article, can this man be rehabilitated in 6 weeks (if he serves that)?

Now, if we invested in more prisons, prisoners would have longer to be assessed before they are released back into a normal society.

At the moment, we lock them up for a couple of weeks and they simply return to their normal habbits. Occasionally we see the odd one who goes on to educate others about how their past hasn't worked, but that is extremely rare.

I'm open to all suggestions, but the current system simply isn't working.

The most effective thing would be to throw all our resources at education and rehabilitation.
.
Removing people's liberty is a punishment in itself. I don't think many people actually realise what that really feels like - the sense as an adult of powerlessness, impotence, and fear that comes from having zero control over your own life.
.
The great British public want more than that though, and essentially want to see offenders visibly suffering. It's not much better than the Colosseum when you look at it like that.
.
As we've found with education over the years, hitting people whilst you're trying to teach them doesn't work very well. The most effective teachers are those that form a connection of trust and respect with their pupils. You can't forge those connections if you're the one humiliating them and causing them suffering.
.
There's much, *much* more to it than that - creating environments conducive to reform and so on - I've just picked an example easy to explain quickly.
.
The most effective thing to do would be for our lawmakers (the legislature) to direct the prison system 100% towards education and reform. To make prisoners spend 8 hours each day receiving education, psychological counselling, and professional training, rather than 20+ hours in their cells doing nothing. Reoffending rates would plummet.
.
The Daily Mail wouldn't like it much though - particularly in an era of tuition fees. The public has a bloodlust that needs to be satisfied it seems, no matter how counterproductive it is for society as a whole.
.
So it would require politicians with cojones, and more commitment to societal improvement than their own political self-preservation. Not bleedin likely then unfortunately.

I really and sincerely would like to agree with you. However, how can a person receive such education on a small sentence?

We don't have the prison space that would allow for these reforms to be suitable. We cannot change a life long criminal in a matter of weeks, it will take years. Let's not forget many (not all) come from criminal backgrounds so it's built into them that crime pays.

Appreciate your thoughts!

If we invested in more prisons and better education of the inmates, we wouldn't need extra Police as the criminals would either be locked up or reformed.

It needs more investment certainly.
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If the 'sentence' consists of a significant and meaningful course of compulsory education, training, and counselling, then for minor offences then there's no reason why the majority of it shouldn't be delivered in the community for more minor sentences.
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It would perhaps cost more up-front than just banging them up for a few weeks, but if it prevents further offending and turns them in to a more productive (socially and economically) member of society, then the return on investment is obvious. Basically, it'd probably be cheaper in the long run - as well as being much better thing for both offender (and family) and victims.
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Sadly, I think our society and system overall is a *long* way from being able to grasp that kind of non-emotive perspective though.

We should take a leaf from Singapore's book:
Crime like this can be dealt with by birching. A punishment that causes extreme pain but no lasting damage. Prison numbers would go down, costs will go down and the person can be released the next day. They'll remember the pain and if they have any sense, they won't do it again - Simple!

Eric_Cartman wrote:
We should take a leaf from Singapore's book:
Crime like this can be dealt with by birching. A punishment that causes extreme pain but no lasting damage. Prison numbers would go down, costs will go down and the person can be released the next day. They'll remember the pain and if they have any sense, they won't do it again - Simple!

Put that via the Human Rights before you post!

IronLady2010 wrote:

Eric_Cartman wrote:
We should take a leaf from Singapore's book:
Crime like this can be dealt with by birching. A punishment that causes extreme pain but no lasting damage. Prison numbers would go down, costs will go down and the person can be released the next day. They'll remember the pain and if they have any sense, they won't do it again - Simple!

Put that via the Human Rights before you post!

Violence is met with violence.

How do babies/children learn to smack? Is it a built in instinct or is it learned?

I can see canthinlkofone's point of view, even tough we differ on some parts, we both agree some changes need to be made.

The Justice system stinls. Courts are being told to hold off on prison sentences as prisons are full, so the only solution is to build more prisons and then bring in Cants suggestion of education.

There is no point in having more Police as they are simply chucking the same people at the Courts!

Eric_Cartman wrote:
We should take a leaf from Singapore's book:
Crime like this can be dealt with by birching. A punishment that causes extreme pain but no lasting damage. Prison numbers would go down, costs will go down and the person can be released the next day. They'll remember the pain and if they have any sense, they won't do it again - Simple!

Yeah, except it doesn't work.

I think society in general is missing the point about what prison is.
Prison is supposed to be a place where criminals go to be punished.
Laws where introduced for the protection of those who could not physically defend themselves, enforcers where employed,now known as the police, to ensure these laws where adhered to. Being sent to prison should be punishment enough to ensure no-one ever wants to go back, if this means breaking rocks 18 hours a day, so be it. It's time those of the touchy feely persuasion discarded the rose tinted spectacles and saw crime and punishment for what it should be.

It's time those of the law'n'order persuasion learnt something about human psychology and sacrificed their desire for vengeance for the sake of greater benefit to society.

cantthinkofone wrote:
It's time those of the law'n'order persuasion learnt something about human psychology and sacrificed their desire for vengeance for the sake of greater benefit to society.

It's not about vengeance, but a compromise about punishment and education.

Unless there is a punishment there is no reason not to commit crime.

A punishment is not placing people in a prison with full perks and access to TV, Playstation or whatever.

It should be no perks and like you say access to education and something to look forward to, as in a better standard of life.

Lets kill them all one by one and eventually we will only be left with the the good people. Sorted

cantthinkofone wrote:
It's time those of the law'n'order persuasion learnt something about human psychology and sacrificed their desire for vengeance for the sake of greater benefit to society.

But vengeance is part of the human psyche, if we did not feel the need for revenge we would cease to be human and therefore no more than beasts gazing in fields.
Sending someone to prison for breaking into your home may never replace personal possessions or the feeling that your home has been violated, but it will give the satisfaction of knowing the perpetrator has been punished. By trying to continually understand then educate criminals we will only let society fall into chaos.
An eye for an eye will only leave the criminals blind, turning the other cheek leaves us all red faced.

cantthinkofone I hear your sentiments but what you have to accept that some people are simply evil. They do not care. You cannot rehabilitate them.

I would propose a 3 strike sytsem, you commit crime you are put to a prison where you 'break rocks' and recieve counceling after recieveing a good beating (if deserved). Repeat proces 3 times and if dont work you just shoot them. If you have no regard for your fellow man after 3 times then you will never have it.

So many crims/bottom feeders make life hell for normal members of society, its disgusting.

Subject 48 has hit the nail on the head, perfect solution.

Subject48 wrote:
cantthinkofone I hear your sentiments but what you have to accept that some people are simply evil. They do not care. You cannot rehabilitate them.

I would propose a 3 strike sytsem, you commit crime you are put to a prison where you 'break rocks' and recieve counceling after recieveing a good beating (if deserved). Repeat proces 3 times and if dont work you just shoot them. If you have no regard for your fellow man after 3 times then you will never have it.

So many crims/bottom feeders make life hell for normal members of society, its disgusting.

Interesting.

I'm not sure that would work for serial killers or rapists..... should they be allowed to kill or rape 3 times before being shot?