Attempted abduction of child in city (From Daily Echo)

Although I can't about this particular case, from what I've read most of these reports turn out to be fabrications or over-active imaginations - which is a good thing. Whilst there certainly are some very nasty people out there, I don't believe that there are many that roam the streets purposefully preying on small children.

Nonetheless, I hope that parents out there take this incident as a prompt to talk to their children about what to do if approached by a stranger. I'll definitely be talking to mine.

We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick. For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence.. It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

What would a lenght of rope cost?

cantthinkofone wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

Spot on. The "money" argument is nonsense, even if the death penalty wasn't.

Do you know how long the average prisoner spends on Death Row? Years and years and years. Do you know how many prisoners on Death Row actually get executed? Clue: not many.

People who bring the death penalty up as a solution to crime, usually haven't even got a casual grasp of the subject.

Georgem wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

Spot on. The "money" argument is nonsense, even if the death penalty wasn't.

Do you know how long the average prisoner spends on Death Row? Years and years and years. Do you know how many prisoners on Death Row actually get executed? Clue: not many.

People who bring the death penalty up as a solution to crime, usually haven't even got a casual grasp of the subject.

Ah, but it makes the more limited among us feel ever so self-righteous though... ;-)

A white van eh? That should be easy to trace!

I appreciate that the Police need to find the pervert fast but surely asking house to house in the day time is rather pointless. If he's driving a van he'll more than likely be at work during the day time.

rightway wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick. For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence.. It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

What would a lenght of rope cost?

what would two brain cells to rub together cost? more than rightway can afford, evidently.

Turtlebay wrote:
I appreciate that the Police need to find the pervert fast but surely asking house to house in the day time is rather pointless. If he's driving a van he'll more than likely be at work during the day time.

I think the police are looking for witnesses by doing door to door rather than someone to confess. Its unlikely that the driver lived in that road and by doing door to door they may find a curtain twitching neighbour who saw the driver or van.

cantthinkofone wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

Thats odd, it worked fine in the UK until 1965.

I read somewhere recently that the statistics say that, based on the number of convictions that are eventually quashed on appeal, there must be 100 people in jail at any one time who have been wrongly convicted. If we had still kept the death penalty, there are a number of people who would not be with us now as a result of a miscarriage of justice.

Inform Al wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

Thats odd, it worked fine in the UK until 1965.

Yes course it did with people being wrongly executed...... sadly you can't
ever take it back and as someone's
already pointed out the money or deterrent argument doesn't stand up.

We've moved on since then get over it......

there's a famous quote attributed to Confucious "those who seek revenge should dig two graves".

Inform Al wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

Thats odd, it worked fine in the UK until 1965.

How do you know?

Georgem wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

Thats odd, it worked fine in the UK until 1965.

How do you know?

First time poster! after reading some of your posts, are some of you living in cuckoo land! there is a headline on the echo news section regarding a paedophile, Does this type of crime, not warrant the return of the death penalty? It seems to me we are being over run with to many do gooders in this country, and it's about time people woke up and smelt the coffee.

I go to redbridge school and **** loads of kids are **** them self's now. especilly as there are lots of people around that area in the morning....

new poster, The death penalty sounds like a good plan ive always said for those who are accused for the option of a lie detector to prevent the amount of innocent people being wrongly convicted also a majority of these cases relate to asian and other ethenic backgrounds i dont know what sort of minds they have but surely they are mentally ill to attempt such a horrible crime.

Darylmurphy94,Exactl
y! Mentally ill and in human, no need for a lie detector, if the crime is against a child, as with this article ive stated above, and the accused is as guilty as sin, there is no option other than the death penalty.but no doubt the do gooders will speak up for his human rights.

Those rubbish 'do-gooders' eh!
*shakes fist*

Horrible lot. I can't abide people who try to do good. Awful behaviour. String 'em up!

Cantthinkofone,

What age are you 10? you must be if you don't grasp the point i'm making, so we wrapped the fellow up in cotton wall do we, give him a roof over his head, 3 good meals a day, have you read the thread on his crime, if you think his crime doesn't deserve the death penalty, your living on another planet. and you must be one of the do gooders i'm on about. Disgraceful!!!

cantthinkofone wrote:

Georgem wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:
We need a more effective punishment for these crime to deter people,, a cushy prison sentence is not doing the trick.
For child (sexual) attacks and general Murder, this Country really needs to bring back the death sentence..
It is costing some £250 pw, per inmate of taxpayers money, for what in many cases is a better lifestyle, with comfy bed and good food, than they would in the real world...

The states in the US with the death penalty have higher rates of murder than those without it, and have done for the last 25 years.

As a deterrent, it's completely ineffective.

Spot on. The "money" argument is nonsense, even if the death penalty wasn't.

Do you know how long the average prisoner spends on Death Row? Years and years and years. Do you know how many prisoners on Death Row actually get executed? Clue: not many.

People who bring the death penalty up as a solution to crime, usually haven't even got a casual grasp of the subject.

Ah, but it makes the more limited among us feel ever so self-righteous though... ;-)

it would cost more to put someone to death and soton bus driver prison food is not good. also many counties use the death penalty yet still have murders and drug crimes committed

Yellowcard,

What is your view on the death penalty being the correct punishment for child crime? are you implying that its to costly to bring it back, how much do you think it costs to keep scum who do these horrendous crimes in prison, surely the cost of keeping them locked up out weighs the cost of a piece of rope, and id give my services for free for pulling the trap door lever. I would suggest you take off your rose tinted glasses, all isn't so rosy. and it's about time people woke up!!!! Certain crimes deserve the death penalty, and a slow one at that.

This is a serious matter, sometimes an eye for eye is the only way to deal with these offenders, if they are bang to rights and there is enough evidence (ie DNA etc). then it would be safer for everyone if they brought back the death penalty.
You cannot compare our crime rates to that of America who have significantly more people, the evidence would have to be based on a county that has the same number of people as the UK. Death penalty will not deter people from committing crimes, however if they commit the crimes and are guilty then it will stop them doing it again.
It just seems to be happening a lot lately, there are more people in the uk than there were 20 years ago, so more murders, sexual offences etc.
It will never go away, prevention or cure???

collk wrote:
This is a serious matter, sometimes an eye for eye is the only way to deal with these offenders, if they are bang to rights and there is enough evidence (ie DNA etc). then it would be safer for everyone if they brought back the death penalty.
You cannot compare our crime rates to that of America who have significantly more people, the evidence would have to be based on a county that has the same number of people as the UK. Death penalty will not deter people from committing crimes, however if they commit the crimes and are guilty then it will stop them doing it again.
It just seems to be happening a lot lately, there are more people in the uk than there were 20 years ago, so more murders, sexual offences etc.
It will never go away, prevention or cure???

collk,
At last some common sense, if they are guilty, the death penalty is the only answer, to keep **** footing around with this type of crime and do nothing but put them away for a few years is plain crazy, when will people wake up, seems to me only when its on their doorstep will they want proper action, as you rightly point out, these crimes are becoming a daily feature now, and that is the real issue, there is no real deterrent, and it's about time as a nation we got a grip and set one, The death penalty!!! These in human animals deserve nothing less, people will say, what about their human rights! well what about the children's rights!!!

Yes I agree, I think only the most serious of crimes should be given the consideration of the death penalty! Some people will always be repeat offenders. The police stick them opposite schools and parks too(or the council) either way the government need to readdress how they deal with these individuals. Times have changed, for some it's better however unfortunately for some it's even worse.
20 years ago I was assaulted, it was a serious sexual offence, however whilst remanded, he earned time for good behaviour, the judge finally sentenced him and he walked free 6 months later.......justice?
?? The system is a joke!

collk wrote:
Yes I agree, I think only the most serious of crimes should be given the consideration of the death penalty! Some people will always be repeat offenders. The police stick them opposite schools and parks too(or the council) either way the government need to readdress how they deal with these individuals. Times have changed, for some it's better however unfortunately for some it's even worse.
20 years ago I was assaulted, it was a serious sexual offence, however whilst remanded, he earned time for good behaviour, the judge finally sentenced him and he walked free 6 months later.......justice?

?? The system is a joke!

Yes the system is an utter joke, where is it all going, thank god my children are grown up, i really don't envy parents bringing children up in this day and age. its a sad state of affairs!!!