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Asbos - do they work?

A KEY weapon in the fight against community crime - or merely a badge of honour for yobs? Following the controversial introduction of Anti Social Behaviour Orders (Asbos) in England and Wales in 1999, 10,000 have been issued.

Over 70 have been issued in Southampton - but do they work?

Critics - with the Tories in the vanguard - insist some Asbos may work, but most do not.

Others maintain they criminalise behaviour which is otherwise lawful, and argue Asbos are handed out too readily and the order terms are too open-ended.

Unsurprisingly, the public has long been sceptical.

A Mori opinion poll published in 2005 found that while 82 per cent of the British public were in favour of Asbos, only 39 per cent believed they were effective in their current form.

Public confidence was further eroded that year when a report compiled by Napo, the probation and family court staff union, revealed "ample evidence" of the inconsistent issuing of Asbos which resembled "a geographical lottery".

The report went on: "There is great concern that people are being jailed following the breach of an Asbo where the original offence was itself non-imprisonable. There is also evidence that Asbos have been used where people have mental health problems where treatment would be more appropriate.

In Napo's view the time is right for a fundamental review of the use and appropriateness of Anti Social Behaviour Orders by the Home Office."

Two years later, the Local Government Ombudsman also published a report criticising Manchester City Council for serving an Asbo based purely on uncorroborated reports of nuisance by a neighbour. The red-faced council then paid £2,000 in compensation.

The debate surfaced again this week when a respected think-tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research, announced Asbos can be counter-productive when imposed on the very young and when used in isolation.

It instead called for an extension of the Sure Start scheme for disadvantaged children and an extension of parenting groups and counselling.

Meanwhile an under-fire government has pointed to a cross-government Youth Crime Action Plan, which is due to be published this summer.

This aims to set out how a reduction in the number of young people committing offences will be achieved.

A government spokesman said: "This work will develop practical ways to support young people to stay out of trouble and to tackle youth offending.

"The views of young people themselves will be key - both in terms of defining the problem and the solutions."

Waffle or a new dawn? Only time will tell.



The case for: Alan Whitehead, MP

ALL the evidence is that, used in conjunction with other measures introduced since 1999, such as Acceptable Behaviour Contracts (ABCs), dispersal orders and parenting orders, Asbos work. These measures address what is uppermost in many people's minds - concerns about rowdy behaviour, vandalism and other activities that are not major crimes, but, taken together can make people's lives a misery - and less than half of all Asbos have gone to young people. Older people, sometimes the "neighbour from hell" making everyone's life unbearable, have been issued with orders.

The Southampton Crime Reduction Partnership has been a national leader in using the powers that local government and the police now possess. In the city in recent years, in addition to Asbos, a far larger number of "acceptable behaviour"

contracts have been agreed, together with seven dispersal orders - giving the police powers to disperse groups of people in "hot spots".

Of course Asbos don't always work, but breaching one is an offence, and the courts can deal with the offender, and do. From the point of view of the person served with an Asbo it is a clear "last chance saloon" - stop doing the things that have caused it to be served, and you will not have a criminal record. Take no notice, and you probably will.

I have seen the effect of these measures in a number of neighbourhoods in my constituency. Streets and areas wilting under what they see as attacks on their safety and ability to go about their business in peace have been transformed by the effect of several Asbos served on some of the leading perpetrators of such behaviour, with Acceptable Behaviour contracts for others. In some instances, dispersal orders around places like local shops have been effective, where youngsters committing acts of vandalism or threatening behaviour have made people worried about using local shops.

Asbos don't transform hooligans into angels overnight.

But they do make people think twice about what they've been doing and, even if reluctantly, change how they behave.

And that is good news for everyone who wants to live in a safe Southampton.



The case against: Mairi Clare Rodgers,
Hampshire spokesman for civil rights group Liberty

ANTI SOCIAL behaviour orders - Asbos - can ban people from specific activities or from entering particular areas. Asbos can be served against children as young as 10. The only criteria that the magistrate must use in deciding to impose an Asbo is that the individual has behaved in a manner "that caused or was likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress".

Breaching the conditions of an Asbo is a criminal offence, punishable by up to five years in prison. This means individuals are being sent to prison for committing acts which are not in themselves illegal.

Liberty is deeply concerned about the way Asbos are being used. If individuals are committing crimes of intimidation or harassment, then the criminal law should be used to tackle their behaviour.

Increasingly, children and vulnerable people who need help and support are being served with Asbos. We fear this will create greater problems for those individuals and society.

Asbos mask the real problem. If there is a proven problem of bad behaviour by young people then criminal law should be used. It is, and always has been, a criminal offence to threaten, abuse, terrify, damage the property of, any shopkeeper/ neighbour/innocent old lady. Asbos usually hide the lack of any coherent strategy to deal with the problem. They get the headlines but there is little evidence they solve the problem.

Some are quite ridiculous: a ban on a guy going into any pub in West Yorkshire, bans on beggars in shopping centres. They simply "displace" the problem.

In Britain today there is no question that people need protecting from crime, but we must not become an Asbo land, where it is a crime to be irritating and a crime to be a child.

1:32pm Friday 22nd February 2008

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Posted by: annon, mansbridge on 2:45pm Sun 2 Mar 08
My so was put on a ASBO 1 and a half years ago for two years, in that time he has behaved him self completly.But it wasn't the asbo that made him change it was the short sharp shock of spending just 1 week in a youth prison that changed his whole out look on life. He never got the chance to get familier with those sarounds and just never wanted to go into that kind of inviroment again.
Unfortunatley he has had this asbo hanging around his neck which dosn't help them move forward until it finishes their should be in system a way of having this reduced with good behaviour. my son is now 18 and in work but can't go onto our estate because he's forbidden to do so even though he never caused any kind of trouble where we live,also he has a number of boys that he's not aloud to hang around some that he got in trouble with some that he never got in trouble with and one boy that he didn't even no.
He has been out in the past say to a pub with myself and my family but because a boy on the list came into that pub my son was having to leave whilst we were half way through a meal.but i asked the boy to leave which he did just so that we could finish our family meal. is this realy fair "no".
I understand that many people feel that people being put on asbo is because that these people are out causing trouble or doing crime is correct.But the system is so wrong once their on a asbo.
Out of the ten lads that were put on a list that my son could not go around with not one of them was put on a asbo but all of them have been in trouble since and many in prison but they won't get in trouble if the speack to my son but he can be arrested and put in prison for just talking to them.
But the hardest thing to except was that a certain police officer told myself and my wife that he wanted to put my son in prison and blaitatly lied in court and when he was given a asbo/he even had the fire arms squad search my house for guns because he went onto the computters reading peoples letter on msm seeing a picture of my son holding a plastic gun.
Since then after myself putting in a complaint to the police this officer has been removed from our area but my son is still having to serve his full turm on a asbo
Posted by: anon, bournemouth on 7:29pm Tue 4 Mar 08
what are you on about?
your kid obviosuly did enough wrong to be put on an asbo charge! you make me laugh! Your son isn't what you seem to think he is, he seems like to rest of the little twerps around, making us hard working folk scared to leave our houses, having our cars damaged. As for him having a job, about time too, he should've been working years ago, i expect he's another kid with a family on benefits! Doesn't surprise me!
Posted by: Mrs Hilda Mews, Dorchester on 3:43pm Wed 5 Mar 08
YOU JUMPT UP LITTLE DO GOODER.
Not everyone whos children get in trouble are out of work.
What this man or ladie was trying to say was that ASBO are not always the answer,their son was put on the straight and narrow because he went away for a week,and never wanted to return to prison. somtimes people like you make me sick more than the people who cause trouble.It's people like you that have turned this country to what it is now because you were probabley a parent who complained about children being disaplinend or smacked at School or in their homes.
This young man has made a big effort to behaive and work which is commendable. If he's only 18 and been working for 1 and a half years then that would mean from School.
Instead of having a dig at all these people behind a Annon name maybe giving praise is the best answer.
Posted by: anon, bournemouth on 1:11pm Fri 7 Mar 08
I am not a jumpED up little do gooder. I wasn't saying that, all I was pointing out was that the figures show that a majority of young people like the one mentioned above do come from families where unemployment is an issue. I'm sure the figures are published somewhere on the news site. ASBOs may not be the answer for everyone, but there is not enough money in the system to have everyone in prison either, which is also not the answer of everyone. However, there is not time to look at kids bad behaviours on an individual basis, there has to be enough time for the judicial system to stop kids doing these crimes - how many stabbings by teenagers in the news? I don’t have kids, but I do agree in discipline - how can you call me judgmental when you're putting me in a certain group as well?!

The boy has done well for himself now, but he needs the asbo on him to keep him in check as well - if you cant leave your house becaused you're scared of the area you live in - how can you be right?!
Posted by: PJ on 5:14pm Fri 7 Mar 08
Who's to say that this certain person ever caused any violance to anybody else.you should not judge all children the same,that is why us teenagers have no respect for our ellders because you seem to think that we all cause trouble.were you not young once but then you forget about that don't you .I'm not backing this person but good luck to him for trying to make a clean break
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