A KEY weapon in the fight against
community crime - or merely a badge of
honour for yobs? Following the
controversial introduction of Anti Social
Behaviour Orders (Asbos) in England and
Wales in 1999, 10,000 have been issued.
Over 70 have been issued in Southampton - but do they
work?
Critics - with the Tories in the vanguard - insist some
Asbos may work, but most do not.
Others maintain they criminalise behaviour which is otherwise
lawful, and argue Asbos are handed out too readily
and the order terms are too open-ended.
Unsurprisingly, the public has long been sceptical.
A Mori opinion poll published in 2005 found that while 82
per cent of the British public were in favour of Asbos, only
39 per cent believed they were effective in their current
form.
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Public confidence was further eroded that year when a
report compiled by Napo, the probation and family court
staff union, revealed "ample evidence" of the inconsistent
issuing of Asbos which resembled "a geographical lottery".
The report went on: "There is great concern that people
are being jailed following the breach of an Asbo where the
original offence was itself non-imprisonable. There is also
evidence that Asbos have been used where people have mental
health problems where treatment would be more appropriate.
In Napo's view the time is right for a fundamental
review of the use and appropriateness of Anti Social
Behaviour Orders by the Home Office."
Two years later, the Local Government Ombudsman also
published a report criticising Manchester City Council for
serving an Asbo based purely on uncorroborated reports of
nuisance by a neighbour. The red-faced council then paid
£2,000 in compensation.
The debate surfaced again this week when a respected
think-tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research,
announced Asbos can be counter-productive when imposed
on the very young and when used in isolation.
It instead called for an extension of the Sure Start scheme
for disadvantaged children and an extension of parenting
groups and counselling.
Meanwhile an under-fire government has pointed to a
cross-government Youth Crime Action Plan, which is due to
be published this summer.
This aims to set out how a reduction in the number of
young people committing offences will be achieved.
A government spokesman said: "This work will develop
practical ways to support young people to stay out of trouble
and to tackle youth offending.
"The views of young people themselves will be key - both
in terms of defining the problem and the solutions."
Waffle or a new dawn? Only time will tell.
The case for: Alan Whitehead, MP
ALL the evidence is that,
used in conjunction with
other measures introduced
since 1999, such as
Acceptable Behaviour
Contracts (ABCs), dispersal
orders and parenting
orders, Asbos work. These
measures address what is
uppermost in many
people's minds - concerns
about rowdy behaviour,
vandalism and other
activities that are not major
crimes, but, taken together
can make people's lives a
misery - and less than half
of all Asbos have gone to
young people. Older people,
sometimes the "neighbour
from hell" making everyone's
life unbearable, have
been issued with orders.
The Southampton Crime
Reduction Partnership has
been a national leader in
using the powers that local
government and the police
now possess. In the city in
recent years, in addition to
Asbos, a far larger number
of "acceptable behaviour"
contracts have been agreed,
together with seven
dispersal orders - giving
the police powers to
disperse groups of people
in "hot spots".
Of course Asbos don't
always work, but breaching
one is an offence, and the
courts can deal with the
offender, and do. From the
point of view of the person
served with an Asbo it is a
clear "last chance saloon" -
stop doing the things that
have caused it to be served,
and you will not have a
criminal record. Take no
notice, and you probably
will.
I have seen the effect of
these measures in a
number of neighbourhoods
in my constituency. Streets
and areas wilting under
what they see as attacks on
their safety and ability to
go about their business in
peace have been
transformed by the effect of
several Asbos served on
some of the leading
perpetrators of such
behaviour, with Acceptable
Behaviour contracts for
others. In some instances,
dispersal orders around
places like local shops have
been effective, where youngsters
committing acts of
vandalism or
threatening
behaviour have
made people
worried about
using local
shops.
Asbos don't
transform
hooligans
into angels
overnight.
But they
do make
people
think twice
about what
they've been
doing and, even if
reluctantly, change
how they behave.
And that is good
news for everyone
who wants to live in a
safe Southampton.
The case against: Mairi Clare Rodgers, Hampshire spokesman for
civil rights group Liberty
ANTI SOCIAL behaviour orders
- Asbos - can ban people from
specific activities or from entering
particular areas. Asbos can
be served against children as
young as 10. The only criteria
that the magistrate must use in
deciding to impose an Asbo
is that the individual has
behaved in a manner
"that caused or was
likely to cause
harassment, alarm
or distress".
Breaching the
conditions of an
Asbo is a
criminal
offence,
punishable by
up to five years
in prison. This
means
individuals are
being sent to prison
for committing acts
which are not in
themselves illegal.
Liberty is deeply
concerned about the way
Asbos are being used. If
individuals are
committing crimes of
intimidation or harassment, then
the criminal law should be used
to tackle their behaviour.
Increasingly, children and
vulnerable people who need help
and support are being served
with Asbos. We fear this will
create greater problems for those
individuals and society.
Asbos mask the real problem. If
there is a proven problem of bad
behaviour by young people then
criminal law should be used. It is,
and always has been, a criminal
offence to threaten, abuse, terrify,
damage the property of, any shopkeeper/
neighbour/innocent old
lady. Asbos usually hide the lack
of any coherent strategy to deal
with the problem. They get the
headlines but there is little
evidence they solve the problem.
Some are quite ridiculous: a ban
on a guy going into any pub in
West Yorkshire, bans on beggars
in shopping centres. They simply
"displace" the problem.
In Britain today there is no
question that people need protecting
from crime, but we must
not become an Asbo land, where
it is a crime to be irritating and a
crime to be a child.
Posted by: annon, mansbridge on 2:45pm Sun 2 Mar 08
My so was put on a ASBO 1 and a half years ago for two years, in that time he has behaved him self completly.But it wasn't the asbo that made him change it was the short sharp shock of spending just 1 week in a youth prison that changed his whole out look on life. He never got the chance to get familier with those sarounds and just never wanted to go into that kind of inviroment again.
Unfortunatley he has had this asbo hanging around his neck which dosn't help them move forward until it finishes their should be in system a way of having this reduced with good behaviour. my son is now 18 and in work but can't go onto our estate because he's forbidden to do so even though he never caused any kind of trouble where we live,also he has a number of boys that he's not aloud to hang around some that he got in trouble with some that he never got in trouble with and one boy that he didn't even no.
He has been out in the past say to a pub with myself and my family but because a boy on the list came into that pub my son was having to leave whilst we were half way through a meal.but i asked the boy to leave which he did just so that we could finish our family meal. is this realy fair "no".
I understand that many people feel that people being put on asbo is because that these people are out causing trouble or doing crime is correct.But the system is so wrong once their on a asbo.
Out of the ten lads that were put on a list that my son could not go around with not one of them was put on a asbo but all of them have been in trouble since and many in prison but they won't get in trouble if the speack to my son but he can be arrested and put in prison for just talking to them.
But the hardest thing to except was that a certain police officer told myself and my wife that he wanted to put my son in prison and blaitatly lied in court and when he was given a asbo/he even had the fire arms squad search my house for guns because he went onto the computters reading peoples letter on msm seeing a picture of my son holding a plastic gun.
Since then after myself putting in a complaint to the police this officer has been removed from our area but my son is still having to serve his full turm on a asbo
My so was put on a ASBO 1 and a half years ago for two years, in that time he has behaved him self completly.But it wasn't the asbo that made him change it was the short sharp shock of spending just 1 week in a youth prison that changed his whole out look on life. He never got the chance to get familier with those sarounds and just never wanted to go into that kind of inviroment again.
Unfortunatley he has had this asbo hanging around his neck which dosn't help them move forward until it finishes their should be in system a way of having this reduced with good behaviour. my son is now 18 and in work but can't go onto our estate because he's forbidden to do so even though he never caused any kind of trouble where we live,also he has a number of boys that he's not aloud to hang around some that he got in trouble with some that he never got in trouble with and one boy that he didn't even no.
He has been out in the past say to a pub with myself and my family but because a boy on the list came into that pub my son was having to leave whilst we were half way through a meal.but i asked the boy to leave which he did just so that we could finish our family meal. is this realy fair "no".
I understand that many people feel that people being put on asbo is because that these people are out causing trouble or doing crime is correct.But the system is so wrong once their on a asbo.
Out of the ten lads that were put on a list that my son could not go around with not one of them was put on a asbo but all of them have been in trouble since and many in prison but they won't get in trouble if the speack to my son but he can be arrested and put in prison for just talking to them.
But the hardest thing to except was that a certain police officer told myself and my wife that he wanted to put my son in prison and blaitatly lied in court and when he was given a asbo/he even had the fire arms squad search my house for guns because he went onto the computters reading peoples letter on msm seeing a picture of my son holding a plastic gun.
Since then after myself putting in a complaint to the police this officer has been removed from our area but my son is still having to serve his full turm on a asbo
Posted by: anon, bournemouth on 7:29pm Tue 4 Mar 08
what are you on about?
your kid obviosuly did enough wrong to be put on an asbo charge! you make me laugh! Your son isn't what you seem to think he is, he seems like to rest of the little twerps around, making us hard working folk scared to leave our houses, having our cars damaged. As for him having a job, about time too, he should've been working years ago, i expect he's another kid with a family on benefits! Doesn't surprise me!
what are you on about?
your kid obviosuly did enough wrong to be put on an asbo charge! you make me laugh! Your son isn't what you seem to think he is, he seems like to rest of the little twerps around, making us hard working folk scared to leave our houses, having our cars damaged. As for him having a job, about time too, he should've been working years ago, i expect he's another kid with a family on benefits! Doesn't surprise me!
Posted by: Mrs Hilda Mews, Dorchester on 3:43pm Wed 5 Mar 08
YOU JUMPT UP LITTLE DO GOODER.
Not everyone whos children get in trouble are out of work.
What this man or ladie was trying to say was that ASBO are not always the answer,their son was put on the straight and narrow because he went away for a week,and never wanted to return to prison. somtimes people like you make me sick more than the people who cause trouble.It's people like you that have turned this country to what it is now because you were probabley a parent who complained about children being disaplinend or smacked at School or in their homes.
This young man has made a big effort to behaive and work which is commendable. If he's only 18 and been working for 1 and a half years then that would mean from School.
Instead of having a dig at all these people behind a Annon name maybe giving praise is the best answer.
YOU JUMPT UP LITTLE DO GOODER.
Not everyone whos children get in trouble are out of work.
What this man or ladie was trying to say was that ASBO are not always the answer,their son was put on the straight and narrow because he went away for a week,and never wanted to return to prison. somtimes people like you make me sick more than the people who cause trouble.It's people like you that have turned this country to what it is now because you were probabley a parent who complained about children being disaplinend or smacked at School or in their homes.
This young man has made a big effort to behaive and work which is commendable. If he's only 18 and been working for 1 and a half years then that would mean from School.
Instead of having a dig at all these people behind a Annon name maybe giving praise is the best answer.
Posted by: anon, bournemouth on 1:11pm Fri 7 Mar 08
I am not a jumpED up little do gooder. I wasn't saying that, all I was pointing out was that the figures show that a majority of young people like the one mentioned above do come from families where unemployment is an issue. I'm sure the figures are published somewhere on the news site. ASBOs may not be the answer for everyone, but there is not enough money in the system to have everyone in prison either, which is also not the answer of everyone. However, there is not time to look at kids bad behaviours on an individual basis, there has to be enough time for the judicial system to stop kids doing these crimes - how many stabbings by teenagers in the news? I don’t have kids, but I do agree in discipline - how can you call me judgmental when you're putting me in a certain group as well?!
The boy has done well for himself now, but he needs the asbo on him to keep him in check as well - if you cant leave your house becaused you're scared of the area you live in - how can you be right?!
I am not a jumpED up little do gooder. I wasn't saying that, all I was pointing out was that the figures show that a majority of young people like the one mentioned above do come from families where unemployment is an issue. I'm sure the figures are published somewhere on the news site. ASBOs may not be the answer for everyone, but there is not enough money in the system to have everyone in prison either, which is also not the answer of everyone. However, there is not time to look at kids bad behaviours on an individual basis, there has to be enough time for the judicial system to stop kids doing these crimes - how many stabbings by teenagers in the news? I don’t have kids, but I do agree in discipline - how can you call me judgmental when you're putting me in a certain group as well?!
The boy has done well for himself now, but he needs the asbo on him to keep him in check as well - if you cant leave your house becaused you're scared of the area you live in - how can you be right?!
Who's to say that this certain person ever caused any violance to anybody else.you should not judge all children the same,that is why us teenagers have no respect for our ellders because you seem to think that we all cause trouble.were you not young once but then you forget about that don't you .I'm not backing this person but good luck to him for trying to make a clean break
Who's to say that this certain person ever caused any violance to anybody else.you should not judge all children the same,that is why us teenagers have no respect for our ellders because you seem to think that we all cause trouble.were you not young once but then you forget about that don't you .I'm not backing this person but good luck to him for trying to make a clean break
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