Go-ahead for new cycle path scheme (From Daily Echo)

And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

You got brakes don't ya?

How many kids know what a cycle lane is? Or care?

Is it too much to ask that you keep below 50mph and use your freaking eyes to look out for pedestrians?

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

You got brakes don't ya?

How many kids know what a cycle lane is? Or care?

Is it too much to ask that you keep below 50mph and use your freaking eyes to look out for pedestrians?

Yeah I have brakes but they ain't gonna do any good if a kid suddenly jumps out in front with no room or time fro braking, not many because they aren't taught it in school, I keep below 5 around kids but there are idiots that don't and even if was going fast and I didn't know a kid was round the corner and they suddenly appeared in front of me, I'd rather injure myself and damage my bike rather than try to go round them or locking up my back wheel which could still cause me to hit them so I'd rather slam my front brake on and/or turn my front wheel 90 degrees and risk folding my wheel than hit someone, also I do use my eyes, that's why I've not hit a single person or even a single car wing mirror yet.

From the comments on the other thread about bicycles, it seems none of them will use it anyway so the children can do what they like.

Torchie1 wrote:
From the comments on the other thread about bicycles, it seems none of them will use it anyway so the children can do what they like.

I would if it's quicker than using the roads even while slowing down for pedestrians who wander onto the cycle path.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

You got brakes don't ya?

How many kids know what a cycle lane is? Or care?

Is it too much to ask that you keep below 50mph and use your freaking eyes to look out for pedestrians?

Yeah I have brakes but they ain't gonna do any good if a kid suddenly jumps out in front with no room or time fro braking, not many because they aren't taught it in school, I keep below 5 around kids but there are idiots that don't and even if was going fast and I didn't know a kid was round the corner and they suddenly appeared in front of me, I'd rather injure myself and damage my bike rather than try to go round them or locking up my back wheel which could still cause me to hit them so I'd rather slam my front brake on and/or turn my front wheel 90 degrees and risk folding my wheel than hit someone, also I do use my eyes, that's why I've not hit a single person or even a single car wing mirror yet.

What am I talking about, you're right.

We should be restricting the movements of children from a young age in case you run into them.

The logic is as clear.

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

You got brakes don't ya?

How many kids know what a cycle lane is? Or care?

Is it too much to ask that you keep below 50mph and use your freaking eyes to look out for pedestrians?

Yeah I have brakes but they ain't gonna do any good if a kid suddenly jumps out in front with no room or time fro braking, not many because they aren't taught it in school, I keep below 5 around kids but there are idiots that don't and even if was going fast and I didn't know a kid was round the corner and they suddenly appeared in front of me, I'd rather injure myself and damage my bike rather than try to go round them or locking up my back wheel which could still cause me to hit them so I'd rather slam my front brake on and/or turn my front wheel 90 degrees and risk folding my wheel than hit someone, also I do use my eyes, that's why I've not hit a single person or even a single car wing mirror yet.

What am I talking about, you're right.

We should be restricting the movements of children from a young age in case you run into them.

The logic is as clear.

Why do you argue against something I didn't say? I never said they should be restricted from going on paths next to cycle paths, just that better segregation between pedestrians and cyclists on such paths would be better.

got a map of the route?
Is it really worth £350,000k ?????
How many cycles currently use the route?

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

You got brakes don't ya?

How many kids know what a cycle lane is? Or care?

Is it too much to ask that you keep below 50mph and use your freaking eyes to look out for pedestrians?

Yeah I have brakes but they ain't gonna do any good if a kid suddenly jumps out in front with no room or time fro braking, not many because they aren't taught it in school, I keep below 5 around kids but there are idiots that don't and even if was going fast and I didn't know a kid was round the corner and they suddenly appeared in front of me, I'd rather injure myself and damage my bike rather than try to go round them or locking up my back wheel which could still cause me to hit them so I'd rather slam my front brake on and/or turn my front wheel 90 degrees and risk folding my wheel than hit someone, also I do use my eyes, that's why I've not hit a single person or even a single car wing mirror yet.

What am I talking about, you're right.

We should be restricting the movements of children from a young age in case you run into them.

The logic is as clear.

Why do you argue against something I didn't say? I never said they should be restricted from going on paths next to cycle paths, just that better segregation between pedestrians and cyclists on such paths would be better.

'segregation'.

You just said it.

G0Rf wrote:
got a map of the route?
Is it really worth £350,000k ?????
How many cycles currently use the route?

I didn't realise a bit of paint cost that much.

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

You got brakes don't ya?

How many kids know what a cycle lane is? Or care?

Is it too much to ask that you keep below 50mph and use your freaking eyes to look out for pedestrians?

Yeah I have brakes but they ain't gonna do any good if a kid suddenly jumps out in front with no room or time fro braking, not many because they aren't taught it in school, I keep below 5 around kids but there are idiots that don't and even if was going fast and I didn't know a kid was round the corner and they suddenly appeared in front of me, I'd rather injure myself and damage my bike rather than try to go round them or locking up my back wheel which could still cause me to hit them so I'd rather slam my front brake on and/or turn my front wheel 90 degrees and risk folding my wheel than hit someone, also I do use my eyes, that's why I've not hit a single person or even a single car wing mirror yet.

What am I talking about, you're right.

We should be restricting the movements of children from a young age in case you run into them.

The logic is as clear.

Why do you argue against something I didn't say? I never said they should be restricted from going on paths next to cycle paths, just that better segregation between pedestrians and cyclists on such paths would be better.

'segregation'.

You just said it.

You're not seeing my point, if both paths follow the same line anyway then there is no reason why they should be allowed onto the cycle path, at road crossings the segregation would have a gap in it due to adjoining paths and the road, it would also have gaps every so often to allow the ability to get round obstacles on both sides such as a crashed cyclist or a injured pedestrian but it needs something there to warn people of the dangers that come with wandering onto the other side.

A map of the route is here:
http://www3.hants.go
v.uk/getdecisiondocu
mentfile?item_doc_ID
=9344&file=Project%2
0Appraisal%20Hedge%2
0End%20to%20Botley%2
0Cycleway%20Phase%20
1%20Lower%20Northam%
20Location%20Plan.pd
f&type=pdf

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

But there are no laws about people not walking into cycle lanes. And you made it perfectly clear in the other thread that as far as you were concerned, that made it perfectly acceptable.

__KTF__ wrote:
A map of the route is here:
http://www3.hants.go

v.uk/getdecisiondocu

mentfile?item_doc_ID

=9344&file=Proje
ct%2
0Appraisal%20Hedge%2

0End%20to%20Botley%2

0Cycleway%20Phase%20

1%20Lower%20Northam%

20Location%20Plan.pd

f&type=pdf

That's a rather short distance, I don't see how they can justify saying it will cost £350k.

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

But there are no laws about people not walking into cycle lanes. And you made it perfectly clear in the other thread that as far as you were concerned, that made it perfectly acceptable.

I don't remember saying such things, plus I was mostly saying about SHARED USE paths.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

But there are no laws about people not walking into cycle lanes. And you made it perfectly clear in the other thread that as far as you were concerned, that made it perfectly acceptable.

I don't remember saying such things, plus I was mostly saying about SHARED USE paths.

Have you sat back and read your posts condemning pedestrians for impeding your path and then berating motorists who complain that you get in their way? There is a whiff of hypocrisy in the way you shuffle the facts to suit your personal agenda.

Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements.

And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

Torchie1 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
And how are they going to stop kids running out in front of cyclist who are using the cycle side of the path? Paint won't work.

But there are no laws about people not walking into cycle lanes. And you made it perfectly clear in the other thread that as far as you were concerned, that made it perfectly acceptable.

I don't remember saying such things, plus I was mostly saying about SHARED USE paths.

Have you sat back and read your posts condemning pedestrians for impeding your path and then berating motorists who complain that you get in their way? There is a whiff of hypocrisy in the way you shuffle the facts to suit your personal agenda.

Mate, when I said about them getting in the way on the other article, I was saying about shared use paths and how the extra width most paths like that have is often taken up by several mums with pushchairs who take no frigging notice when you politely say "excuse me please" or they scoff at you and bark "GET ON THE EFFING ROAD YOU ****!!!", also I agree in a way with scrutinizer, there are idiots out there who will just plow through pedestrians and then act as if they weren't at fault but the same can be said for pedestrians who step out in front of cyclists and motorists without looking or are too busy on their Iphones that they got bought for them to notice anything.

Scrutinizer wrote:
Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements.

And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there.

P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there.

P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

If the bike has to be second hand due to costs then try:

- as you say council recycling
- private recycling charity such as these guys... http://www.bicyclere
cycling.co.uk/
- or the Police sales/auctions

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there. P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

If the bike has to be second hand due to costs then try: - as you say council recycling - private recycling charity such as these guys... http://www.bicyclere cycling.co.uk/ - or the Police sales/auctions

Ok, thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. I've discovered that the Police sales (auctions) are apparentlly held in Andover though, which is a little too far for me to get to from here in Totton. Also, I've been told that the Royal Mail have got rid of almost all of their bicycles, and that due to one accident case involving one of their sold-off bikes, they will no longer be selling any more off (apparentlly they are going to a charity in Africa, which is a good cause, so I've no problem with that). I must admit though, that I quite fancied one of those old treaders.

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there.

P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

Indeed, talking about silly stuff I caught a silly van driver peeling a banana while driving and using their elbows to steer and a couple of planks overtaking me too close or with oncoming traffic, one even had a trailer and downfader is right about those places, also you might get lucky and find a bike that's been dumped but in a condition that makes it easy to fix which I've managed to do a few times in my area... Right, time to review and edit some footage.

Scrutinizer wrote:

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there. P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

If the bike has to be second hand due to costs then try: - as you say council recycling - private recycling charity such as these guys... http://www.bicyclere cycling.co.uk/ - or the Police sales/auctions

Ok, thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. I've discovered that the Police sales (auctions) are apparentlly held in Andover though, which is a little too far for me to get to from here in Totton. Also, I've been told that the Royal Mail have got rid of almost all of their bicycles, and that due to one accident case involving one of their sold-off bikes, they will no longer be selling any more off (apparentlly they are going to a charity in Africa, which is a good cause, so I've no problem with that). I must admit though, that I quite fancied one of those old treaders.

If you are able to save up over a period of a couple of weeks then getting a new Pashley (the make that the Royal Mail used) isnt that expensive. About £400.

Yeah the RM's decision to scrap the bikes used an excuse or two. The real reason was down to how the trolleys hold more mail. If it had been down to crashes then a fair number of their vans have actually been involved in crashes over the years.

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there. P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

If the bike has to be second hand due to costs then try: - as you say council recycling - private recycling charity such as these guys... http://www.bicyclere cycling.co.uk/ - or the Police sales/auctions

Ok, thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. I've discovered that the Police sales (auctions) are apparentlly held in Andover though, which is a little too far for me to get to from here in Totton. Also, I've been told that the Royal Mail have got rid of almost all of their bicycles, and that due to one accident case involving one of their sold-off bikes, they will no longer be selling any more off (apparentlly they are going to a charity in Africa, which is a good cause, so I've no problem with that). I must admit though, that I quite fancied one of those old treaders.

If you are able to save up over a period of a couple of weeks then getting a new Pashley (the make that the Royal Mail used) isnt that expensive. About £400.

Yeah the RM's decision to scrap the bikes used an excuse or two. The real reason was down to how the trolleys hold more mail. If it had been down to crashes then a fair number of their vans have actually been involved in crashes over the years.

And their big HGV trucks, mostly involving low bridges.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there. P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

If the bike has to be second hand due to costs then try: - as you say council recycling - private recycling charity such as these guys... http://www.bicyclere cycling.co.uk/ - or the Police sales/auctions

Ok, thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. I've discovered that the Police sales (auctions) are apparentlly held in Andover though, which is a little too far for me to get to from here in Totton. Also, I've been told that the Royal Mail have got rid of almost all of their bicycles, and that due to one accident case involving one of their sold-off bikes, they will no longer be selling any more off (apparentlly they are going to a charity in Africa, which is a good cause, so I've no problem with that). I must admit though, that I quite fancied one of those old treaders.

If you are able to save up over a period of a couple of weeks then getting a new Pashley (the make that the Royal Mail used) isnt that expensive. About £400. Yeah the RM's decision to scrap the bikes used an excuse or two. The real reason was down to how the trolleys hold more mail. If it had been down to crashes then a fair number of their vans have actually been involved in crashes over the years.

And their big HGV trucks, mostly involving low bridges.

And I've personally yet to find a single postman or woman who actually likes those trolleys at all, here locally in Totton and Eling anyway.

As far as my search for a second-hand bike goes, I shall be hitting the Netley Marsh car boot sales this Sunday. I've been told today by someone who regularly visits, that there are several bikes in reasonable condition there every weekend/. Apparentlly, they are available for about 20 quid. That would suit my needs for now, to get me from A-B around town.

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

downfader wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote: Firstly, I'm all in favour of cycling. It's great for people's health and in the main causes minimum damage to the environment. However, there absolutely HAS to be segregation, as many pedestrians, like myself, feel that we being threatened, intimidated and driven off the pavements by cyclists day-after-day. This has become an endemic problem now. Well I, for one, am determined that apart from in the case of very young children, I'm absolutely refusing to budge for anyone else cycling on the pavements. And regarding wasting money; why is it that the moronic local authority department responsible for road signage in Totton, have painted cycling signs on the road along Water Lane and erected metal sign posts up off the road along there too? That must have no doubt cost tens of thousands of pounds, BUT everyone ALREADY knew that cycling was permitted on the roads - apart from - as I've already stated - more than a few idiots who still insist on using the pavements whilst expecting pedestrians to budge - as indeed many arrogant and ignorant people with cars do too when illegally parking! So, oh what a shame that some of them 'happen to lose' their wing mirrors in the process! Oh well 'accidents' will happen... ;-)

It's a pandemic as it happens in other countries too besides the Netherlands who have got it right and I also hate seeing idiots with bikes (because those who do stupid stuff on bikes aren't real cyclists) riding on the pavement, I get a little tetchy about shared use paths too which i find pointless and actually rather dangerous to both cyclists AND pedestrians, I also hate motorists who think you can park on the pavement or even IN cycle lanes, both of which are illegal (I'll write some notes out over the weekend to put under windscreen wipers if I see anyone parked in a cycle lane) but the thing I hate most are cyclists endangering their lives while using the road and motorists who can't wait 5 seconds to be able to give the space cyclists need when they pass a cyclist.

Ginger_cyclist: Yes, I agree with all of that which you've typed there. As I commented previously, I'm in entirely in favour of cycling, I just wish the idiots among them (the "stupid stuff" types) would keep off the pavements! I've visited the Netherlands too, and as you say, they seem to have it well sussed over there. P.s. Actually, I want to buy a cheap-ish second-hand bike. It would simply be to bike around town, from 'A'-'B', so-to-speak, not mountain-climbing or Tour de France malarkey! Some people tell me that the council recycling places are a good source. I don't want to spend any thing more than forty quid, if I can possibly avoid it! What do you think?

If the bike has to be second hand due to costs then try: - as you say council recycling - private recycling charity such as these guys... http://www.bicyclere cycling.co.uk/ - or the Police sales/auctions

Ok, thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. I've discovered that the Police sales (auctions) are apparentlly held in Andover though, which is a little too far for me to get to from here in Totton. Also, I've been told that the Royal Mail have got rid of almost all of their bicycles, and that due to one accident case involving one of their sold-off bikes, they will no longer be selling any more off (apparentlly they are going to a charity in Africa, which is a good cause, so I've no problem with that). I must admit though, that I quite fancied one of those old treaders.

If you are able to save up over a period of a couple of weeks then getting a new Pashley (the make that the Royal Mail used) isnt that expensive. About £400. Yeah the RM's decision to scrap the bikes used an excuse or two. The real reason was down to how the trolleys hold more mail. If it had been down to crashes then a fair number of their vans have actually been involved in crashes over the years.

And their big HGV trucks, mostly involving low bridges.

And I've personally yet to find a single postman or woman who actually likes those trolleys at all, here locally in Totton and Eling anyway.

As far as my search for a second-hand bike goes, I shall be hitting the Netley Marsh car boot sales this Sunday. I've been told today by someone who regularly visits, that there are several bikes in reasonable condition there every weekend/. Apparentlly, they are available for about 20 quid. That would suit my needs for now, to get me from A-B around town.

Be careful with carboot sales. Question the seller, if its too good to be true then it s probably nicked.