Gosport MP Caroline Dinenage pushes for medals for Arctic Convoy vets

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VETERANS of the Arctic Convoys should be awarded a medal in recognition of their bravery while a few are still alive, according to a Hampshire MP.

Caroline Dinenage, the Conservative MP for Gosport, said those who served on merchant ships delivering supplies to Stalin’s Red Army on the Eastern Front faced horrific conditions during the Second World War but had yet to be awarded a medal for their courage.

There are now only 200 surviving veterans, she said, as she called on the Ministry of Defence to stop dithering with a review which had already been delayed by 18 months.

She added: “These men are not politicians. At their age they should not have to fight for justice and it appals me that people who gave up so much to ensure the freedoms that we take on a daily basis for granted should have to beg for the recognition that they deserve.

“Successive Conservative leaders have committed in opposition to this medal without review and it is dreadful that it has to be reviewed again and again.

“Time is not on the side of these brave gentlemen.”

She said it would be “utterly, utterly disgusting” if a medal were awarded after all the veterans had died.

Veterans minister Andrew Robathan insisted it was not for politicians to decide who was awarded a medal.

He said: “The decision will be taken by the Medals Review, quite rightly, and should be a decision which relates to those who know all the facts and take a view dependent on the respect they have for our veterans and make that decision forthwith.”

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11:21am Wed 7 Dec 11

Linesman says...

Yes! They should have been issued with a medal 66 years ago, at the end of WWII.

Then, the medals were issued in the name of King George VI. If a medal were issued now, in whose name would it be issued?

Of all those who would have qualified for the medal in 1945, the vast majority are no longer with us. What about them? Will efforts be made to establish who would have received one, and then award it to their next of kin - if they can be located?

The decision was taken at the end of WWII as to which campaign medals would be awarded, and it was decided that the Arctic Convoys were included in the Atlantic Star.

Bomber Command lost a hell of a lot of men, and they were not awarded a campaing medal and neither was the Submarine service.
Yes! They should have been issued with a medal 66 years ago, at the end of WWII. Then, the medals were issued in the name of King George VI. If a medal were issued now, in whose name would it be issued? Of all those who would have qualified for the medal in 1945, the vast majority are no longer with us. What about them? Will efforts be made to establish who would have received one, and then award it to their next of kin - if they can be located? The decision was taken at the end of WWII as to which campaign medals would be awarded, and it was decided that the Arctic Convoys were included in the Atlantic Star. Bomber Command lost a hell of a lot of men, and they were not awarded a campaing medal and neither was the Submarine service. Linesman
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11:30am Wed 7 Dec 11

Taskforce 141 says...

Its a disgrace how we treat our armed forces, old and new, veterans and rookies - yet these men willing put their life on the line for us and others on a daily basis so that we can enjoy the freedoms we continually take for granted. These men deserve medals and recognition for the extreme tasks they undertake in the face of extreme peril.
Its a disgrace how we treat our armed forces, old and new, veterans and rookies - yet these men willing put their life on the line for us and others on a daily basis so that we can enjoy the freedoms we continually take for granted. These men deserve medals and recognition for the extreme tasks they undertake in the face of extreme peril. Taskforce 141
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12:14pm Wed 7 Dec 11

loosehead says...

My dad was on the artic convoys with the merchant navy he's dead now but surely it would be better a plaque in a war memorial gardens honouring all sailors ( merchant & royal Navy) than only a few that are still alive getting medals.
I honour them all & the work they did for the free world
My dad was on the artic convoys with the merchant navy he's dead now but surely it would be better a plaque in a war memorial gardens honouring all sailors ( merchant & royal Navy) than only a few that are still alive getting medals. I honour them all & the work they did for the free world loosehead
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2:03pm Wed 7 Dec 11

AdrianMonk says...

Here's my comment:

When Cameron was in opposition he fully supported this. Within weeks of becoming PM he distanced himself from that promise and has since dropped it.
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He was full of hot air when I worked with him at a certain TV company.
Here's my comment: When Cameron was in opposition he fully supported this. Within weeks of becoming PM he distanced himself from that promise and has since dropped it. . He was full of hot air when I worked with him at a certain TV company. AdrianMonk
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3:17pm Wed 7 Dec 11

Bagamn says...

Until the employees at the Ministry of Defence have spent time in the Forces, No sensible rulings will be made. They are only qualified to drive a desk and to think of ways to screw others.
Until the employees at the Ministry of Defence have spent time in the Forces, No sensible rulings will be made. They are only qualified to drive a desk and to think of ways to screw others. Bagamn
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8:42pm Wed 7 Dec 11

Scrutinizer says...

Linesman wrote:
Yes! They should have been issued with a medal 66 years ago, at the end of WWII. Then, the medals were issued in the name of King George VI. If a medal were issued now, in whose name would it be issued? Of all those who would have qualified for the medal in 1945, the vast majority are no longer with us. What about them? Will efforts be made to establish who would have received one, and then award it to their next of kin - if they can be located? The decision was taken at the end of WWII as to which campaign medals would be awarded, and it was decided that the Arctic Convoys were included in the Atlantic Star. Bomber Command lost a hell of a lot of men, and they were not awarded a campaing medal and neither was the Submarine service.
Yes, good points well made. It would indeed be extremely unfair to leave other such groups out of receiving a special campaign medal, as you say, such as Bomber Command (which, it should be remembered lost more than a massive 50,000 of it's aircrew personnel during the Second World War) and the Submarine Service too. I will also add by the way, that most of my family served as either MM or RN in that war. Obviously the Arctic Convoy people feel especially agrieved, and have received much publicity for such, because the very country (USSR) that they were directly helping with their vital supply missions, have awarded them a special medal of recognition for their service. Obviously that is not the case with the other perfectly well justified candidates' cause. However I just think that sadly it's all too late now. Also, it's interesting to note that no members of the royal family seem to have felt particularly strong enough to pursue this issue to any significant extent. Now I'm well aware that they are not supposed to get involved in issues and affairs of government departments of the country, but I'm confident that if they, themselves, believed that much in this special medal cause of the Arctic Convoy people (and indeed the others') they would have done something significant about it by now, after all these years - if only by pursuing it on the quiet, which I'm sure would have been exposed also by now. Nevertheless, let us n-e-v-e-r forget the tremendous efforts of all these extremely brave people who served our country (and others') in it's hour of great need.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Yes! They should have been issued with a medal 66 years ago, at the end of WWII. Then, the medals were issued in the name of King George VI. If a medal were issued now, in whose name would it be issued? Of all those who would have qualified for the medal in 1945, the vast majority are no longer with us. What about them? Will efforts be made to establish who would have received one, and then award it to their next of kin - if they can be located? The decision was taken at the end of WWII as to which campaign medals would be awarded, and it was decided that the Arctic Convoys were included in the Atlantic Star. Bomber Command lost a hell of a lot of men, and they were not awarded a campaing medal and neither was the Submarine service.[/p][/quote]Yes, good points well made. It would indeed be extremely unfair to leave other such groups out of receiving a special campaign medal, as you say, such as Bomber Command (which, it should be remembered lost more than a massive 50,000 of it's aircrew personnel during the Second World War) and the Submarine Service too. I will also add by the way, that most of my family served as either MM or RN in that war. Obviously the Arctic Convoy people feel especially agrieved, and have received much publicity for such, because the very country (USSR) that they were directly helping with their vital supply missions, have awarded them a special medal of recognition for their service. Obviously that is not the case with the other perfectly well justified candidates' cause. However I just think that sadly it's all too late now. Also, it's interesting to note that no members of the royal family seem to have felt particularly strong enough to pursue this issue to any significant extent. Now I'm well aware that they are not supposed to get involved in issues and affairs of government departments of the country, but I'm confident that if they, themselves, believed that much in this special medal cause of the Arctic Convoy people (and indeed the others') they would have done something significant about it by now, after all these years - if only by pursuing it on the quiet, which I'm sure would have been exposed also by now. Nevertheless, let us n-e-v-e-r forget the tremendous efforts of all these extremely brave people who served our country (and others') in it's hour of great need. Scrutinizer
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