Residents clamping down on tax-cheats (From Daily Echo)

and an MP who carried on claiming tens of thousands of allowances he / she / it was not entitled to got off scott free

meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

I find it frankly little short of amazing that a landlord was able to claim Housing Benefit for two years when the tenants were no longer there. If for no other reason than HB applications are renewed six monthly. Why did the Council not spot this? Where did the tenants go- they couldn't have been claiming HB anywhere else. What about the NEW tenants- did THEY not claim HB?

Before anyone suggests it, the Landlord did not apparently fraudulently fill in HB application forms. Doing so would have rendered him liable to an entirely different penalty regime.

And the lady who became a pub licencee? The clue here, SCC, is in the word 'licencee'- this lady apparently applied to you for a licence, which you granted. Whilst you apparently undertake vigorous checks on potential landlords, you appear to have failed completely here. One wonders what else they missed.

In short, then, the Councils themselves have only their own procedures to blame for their shortcomings- all of these should have been spotted immediately.

To be able to put so precise a figure on benefit cheats you would need to know who they are and how much they are fraudulently claiming - why doesn't the Echo just pass this information on and save everybody a lot of trouble and money?

And the top 2% of the most wealthy of our populations is getting away with £180 billion for the financal year 2010-2011 in Tax Advoidence dodging, this Tax Advoidence started in the 80's when Thatcher change the Financal restrictions and removed them, and ever since then this Tax Advoidence as been getting larger with each year that passes by, and one of the main benefactors of this loop hole is Thatcher her self. (self interest greed)

southy wrote:
And the top 2% of the most wealthy of our populations is getting away with £180 billion for the financal year 2010-2011 in Tax Advoidence dodging, this Tax Advoidence started in the 80's when Thatcher change the Financal restrictions and removed them, and ever since then this Tax Advoidence as been getting larger with each year that passes by, and one of the main benefactors of this loop hole is Thatcher her self. (self interest greed)

Don't worry southy. I'm sure you will still get your benefits. Do you pay tax on the clothes pegs and heather that you sell?

Send all tax cheats rich or poor to prison - that is when we have and spaces.

southy wrote:
And the top 2% of the most wealthy of our populations is getting away with £180 billion for the financal year 2010-2011 in Tax Advoidence dodging, this Tax Advoidence started in the 80's when Thatcher change the Financal restrictions and removed them, and ever since then this Tax Advoidence as been getting larger with each year that passes by, and one of the main benefactors of this loop hole is Thatcher her self. (self interest greed)

I won't bother asking where you get your figures from because you have proved that your maths is if anything worse than your english. The way you try and blame everything on someone who was prime minister over 20 years ago just shows how little you understand the world around you. Google doesn't confer wisdom at the best of times, but in your hands it reduces your intelligence even further to the level of a chimp. You remind me of Lonely in Callan - always trying to big himself up unaware that everyone knows what a pathetic little nobody he really is.

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:
And the top 2% of the most wealthy of our populations is getting away with £180 billion for the financal year 2010-2011 in Tax Advoidence dodging, this Tax Advoidence started in the 80's when Thatcher change the Financal restrictions and removed them, and ever since then this Tax Advoidence as been getting larger with each year that passes by, and one of the main benefactors of this loop hole is Thatcher her self. (self interest greed)

I won't bother asking where you get your figures from because you have proved that your maths is if anything worse than your english. The way you try and blame everything on someone who was prime minister over 20 years ago just shows how little you understand the world around you. Google doesn't confer wisdom at the best of times, but in your hands it reduces your intelligence even further to the level of a chimp. You remind me of Lonely in Callan - always trying to big himself up unaware that everyone knows what a pathetic little nobody he really is.

You should read a lot more this figure was quoted in the news by whitehall on how much it cost the UK in Tax adoidence.
Well at lest my Maths is 10 times better than yours that is some thing. and at lest i like to take every thing into account and not leave out parts because it don't suit.

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:
And the top 2% of the most wealthy of our populations is getting away with £180 billion for the financal year 2010-2011 in Tax Advoidence dodging, this Tax Advoidence started in the 80's when Thatcher change the Financal restrictions and removed them, and ever since then this Tax Advoidence as been getting larger with each year that passes by, and one of the main benefactors of this loop hole is Thatcher her self. (self interest greed)

I won't bother asking where you get your figures from because you have proved that your maths is if anything worse than your english. The way you try and blame everything on someone who was prime minister over 20 years ago just shows how little you understand the world around you. Google doesn't confer wisdom at the best of times, but in your hands it reduces your intelligence even further to the level of a chimp. You remind me of Lonely in Callan - always trying to big himself up unaware that everyone knows what a pathetic little nobody he really is.

"Lonely" - Good choice! I'd forgotten all about him! Yes, as I have discovered, Southy does exaggerate or is often wearing his Specsavers Rose tinted spectacles!

Wickham let me point some thing out to you, why did the Icelandic banks collapse.
I will tell you seeing you dont like letting people know the truth.
The USA and UK Capitalist Finance Corporation applied pressure on Iceland to remove the Finance Restrictions and they got the USA and UK governments to do the same, Iceland removed those restrictions and in a matter of weeks there banks collapse costing Iceland a great deal of money (it was not just Iceland Government that lost money its people did to) and it destablise Iceland.
Iceland have put those restrictions back on and now they are stable again, After that you can understand why Iceland refused to give the money back to the UK to those that put money in Iceland.

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

And we should do the same and put those Financal Restrictions back on, and stop this £180 Billion Tax advoidence.
mind you I would not be surprise to find out your one of those that use this loophole.

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

Yes, I have, on several occasions.
BUT
There is one rule for those at the top and one for those at the bottom.
MPs and Lords proved that they WERE above the law by being allowed to repay falsely claimed (stolen) money over a period of time without prosecution.
Sales staff and directors at banks get to keep the commission they earned on fraudulent and dodgy transactions without penalty.
Fred the Shred keeps his knighthood while the staff of Peacocks get P45s because of the loans his bank loaded onto their company.
Benefit cheats are bad, but the example set by those at the top is such that few people feel guilt.
.
And builders and VAT : Barratts to not pay VAT on building their ticky tacky boxes, but we pay VAT on our renovations. Where is the justice in that?

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

Are you again making excuses for the 'man in the street' (who you are supposedly a champion for) to cheat the law & the other law abiding citizens of this country?

Stop making excuses for criminals just to promote your weird socialist propaganda.

Naizali Mohmed looks like he's really struggling doesn't he?

So much for your classless society.

"The trouble is with socialism, it resembles a form of mental illness more than it does a philosophy"
-- L. Neil Smith

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

The Bank of England charge interest on your currency ,the pound ,is that fair ? Its not tax avoidance ,its deception , who owns every central bank in the world ,apart from a few ?

housewife wrote:
Yes, I have, on several occasions.
BUT
There is one rule for those at the top and one for those at the bottom.
MPs and Lords proved that they WERE above the law by being allowed to repay falsely claimed (stolen) money over a period of time without prosecution.
Sales staff and directors at banks get to keep the commission they earned on fraudulent and dodgy transactions without penalty.
Fred the Shred keeps his knighthood while the staff of Peacocks get P45s because of the loans his bank loaded onto their company.
Benefit cheats are bad, but the example set by those at the top is such that few people feel guilt.
.
And builders and VAT : Barratts to not pay VAT on building their ticky tacky boxes, but we pay VAT on our renovations. Where is the justice in that?

Sounds like you are trying justify yourself?

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

You are avoiding fact and trying to justify criminality. What chance have we got with that attitude?!

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

You are avoiding fact and trying to justify criminality. What chance have we got with that attitude?!

a and e wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

The Bank of England charge interest on your currency ,the pound ,is that fair ? Its not tax avoidance ,its deception , who owns every central bank in the world ,apart from a few ?

And the answers to my questions are?????

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

You are avoiding fact and trying to justify criminality. What chance have we got with that attitude?!

Every time Southy rants on about tax avoidance, he overlooks the revenue that he avoids by smoking 'under the counter' rolling tobacco. Socialism in Southy's book is do as I say not do as I do.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

Are you again making excuses for the 'man in the street' (who you are supposedly a champion for) to cheat the law & the other law abiding citizens of this country?

Stop making excuses for criminals just to promote your weird socialist propaganda.

Naizali Mohmed looks like he's really struggling doesn't he?

So much for your classless society.

"The trouble is with socialism, it resembles a form of mental illness more than it does a philosophy"
-- L. Neil Smith

No I don't what I saying to start at the top and work down wards, and never start at the bottom and work up wards. Make the biggest savings first and the smallest savings last.
After all a tree will fall over if you cut the roots before you cut the branches.

L.Neil Smith would say such a thing he was prove later to have no concept in the matter of Economic and Political system he just followed the sheep and is a Capitalist Liberalist, but remain a good fiction writer.
What you need to remember the USA are the lest amount of ones that know what Socialism really is, they call Liberalism Capitalism Communist.

Time for SCC to actually listen and investigate if they are contacted?
My "neighbour" gets alot of benefits. She also works.
I called SCC to report it and they said how do I know she is working?
I replied she is wearing a tabard and shouting to her daughter "mummy is off to work see yous laters".
Apparently that is insufficent evidence to investigate!
Another friend was claiming benefits, called the council when she had a new partner (in June) to declare a change in circumstance, and was told it was too complicated to change it so she would continue to receive the benefit until April the next year.
Yes, Royston, both stories in Southampton, and both true!

Hey Lonely - as any idiot knows, the finance market in the west is more or less a free market. I'm not saying that is a good thing (it isn't) but it means that the only pressure UK Finance coporations can exert on anyone is in a free market, so the money goes where it makes more money. The Icelandic banks did everything to themselves to maintain their liquidity because they were in a trap of their own making, borrowing against their own toxic debt to repay their previous debts to other banks. You don't know the first thing about either the Finance market or maths - a few weeks ago I called your bluff and set you a simple trignometry question of the sort any GCSE schoolkid would understand, because you boasted that rigging labourers are all math graduates I used a crane as an example with a known load and a known jib angle as an example of a simple triangle. Instead of answering thes simple question using pythagoras you wanted to know who the crane driver was! SO try this - over what period is this £180 bn you know so much about. Is it per annum, per quarter? per week? And who is avoiding it? Is it shareholders, hedge funds, personal individuals? And which tax is being avoided? Is it corporation tax? Income tax? VAT? CGT? We all want to know, Oh great one. GIve us the evidence, that we may learn your googling powers.

The irony is it will probably cost more to get these monies back than the amount owed.They should have squirrelled the money away in St Barts or somewhere like that or hired a bent accountant.

Wickerman Iceland only done what was ask of them to do, and the moment they did control was no longer theres over the finance it was your big corporations in control, just that the Icelandic had the good sence to put those restictions back on that brough them back into stable condition again.
Under any capitalism there will be no open free market, because the refuse to allow the one concept that would be there down fall and they know it, you can have an open free market place as long it don't include a Nationalise Industry reason being is that the private sector can not compeat with the public sector, they will not allow a nationalise co-op (that is communism) for the same reason they can not compeat.
If the Private sector where to allow a state own industry or Nationlise Co-op that would also mean unemploment would drop way below the level where they could control the private sector wages and could not make the threats like they do now.
I gave you a in the pass and early on, Thatcher her self was one of those who used this loophole that she created.

Torchie1 wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

You are avoiding fact and trying to justify criminality. What chance have we got with that attitude?!

Every time Southy rants on about tax avoidance, he overlooks the revenue that he avoids by smoking 'under the counter' rolling tobacco. Socialism in Southy's book is do as I say not do as I do.

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean — power over people, power to the State."

Guess who..? ;)

Perhaps instead of our current system we should be more like America? Have an IRS system where you pay an annual tax return and if you get caught fiddling (tax) you go to jail.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

Are you again making excuses for the 'man in the street' (who you are supposedly a champion for) to cheat the law & the other law abiding citizens of this country?

Stop making excuses for criminals just to promote your weird socialist propaganda.

Naizali Mohmed looks like he's really struggling doesn't he?

So much for your classless society.

"The trouble is with socialism, it resembles a form of mental illness more than it does a philosophy"
-- L. Neil Smith

No I don't what I saying to start at the top and work down wards, and never start at the bottom and work up wards. Make the biggest savings first and the smallest savings last.
After all a tree will fall over if you cut the roots before you cut the branches.

L.Neil Smith would say such a thing he was prove later to have no concept in the matter of Economic and Political system he just followed the sheep and is a Capitalist Liberalist, but remain a good fiction writer.
What you need to remember the USA are the lest amount of ones that know what Socialism really is, they call Liberalism Capitalism Communist.

'L.Neil Smith would say such a thing he was prove later to have no concept in the matter of Economic and Political system'

Then you two would make good company.

For those who want to know more about tax avoidance and offshore banking for the rich check out UK uncut website.
The richest 1% 'avoid' by 'writing off', moving debt off balance sheet, internal company transfers etc, its wrong, immoral and the MAJOR reason Britain has become the 2nd most unequal country on earth. occupy website is another useful tool.

peenut81 wrote:
For those who want to know more about tax avoidance and offshore banking for the rich check out UK uncut website.
The richest 1% 'avoid' by 'writing off', moving debt off balance sheet, internal company transfers etc, its wrong, immoral and the MAJOR reason Britain has become the 2nd most unequal country on earth. occupy website is another useful tool.

UK Uncut doesn't have an agenda by any chance? However much they try to explain their version of events, they still haven't grasped the difference between 'immoral' and 'illegal'.

southy wrote:
Wickerman Iceland only done what was ask of them to do, and the moment they did control was no longer theres over the finance it was your big corporations in control, just that the Icelandic had the good sence to put those restictions back on that brough them back into stable condition again. Under any capitalism there will be no open free market, because the refuse to allow the one concept that would be there down fall and they know it, you can have an open free market place as long it don't include a Nationalise Industry reason being is that the private sector can not compeat with the public sector, they will not allow a nationalise co-op (that is communism) for the same reason they can not compeat. If the Private sector where to allow a state own industry or Nationlise Co-op that would also mean unemploment would drop way below the level where they could control the private sector wages and could not make the threats like they do now. I gave you a in the pass and early on, Thatcher her self was one of those who used this loophole that she created.

Has anyone ever read a series of random unconnected words and ideas that made less sense? I reckon "Under capitalism there will be no free market" is the most stupid inversion of reality but perhaps the Echo can offer a prize to anyone who can find a better one.

The 'uncomfortable' fact about this report is its location in one of the most prosperous area's of the UK.

Is this the same pub landlady that was featured in the Echo not long ago in a big page spread when she took over the licence of the anchor pub in Redbridge?
I am sure it is her.
Fact is, all above mentioned have broken the law, its called fraud.

One must wonder how many of these cases were caused by the complexity of trying to notify the authorities of changes, or of the authorities making mistakes in the first place.

Ever tried contacting HMRC? Its a joke!

Matt

Matt Probert wrote:
One must wonder how many of these cases were caused by the complexity of trying to notify the authorities of changes, or of the authorities making mistakes in the first place.

Ever tried contacting HMRC? Its a joke!

Matt

one must wonder how many of these cases were caused by the people involved simply being greedy and thinking they could get away with it.

Also being self employed I often have to contact HMRC, never had a problem.

pod
I'd love to know which number you are using to contact HMRC as the accountancy press is full of the problems HMRC are having

Well my wife and I are going through a divorce. Two lovely children that I get to see twice a week overnight. However, through mediation she managed to get ALL the equity (£104000) raised from our house sale, said her boyfriend was NOT moving in to the mediator, mediation all finished with me also giving her £627 per month. She is claiming single persons benefit and all the other benefits whilst working 19 hours per week, and guess what, her boyfriend that I knew was living with her prior to house move and couldnt prove, has now moved in. I am still giving her £627 per week and her boyfriend is living with her, as well as claiming benefits! I want to inform the benefits office but as yet have not.. Is this really taking the proverbial? I dont want to go to a solicitor because she has told me her solicitor said I have got a great "deal" and due to the amount I earn would have to pay £225 per hour to get advise. Mediation has already cost me £1000! Beware any men who go through mediation by the way, my soon to be ex wife managed to get away without providing any financial information saying she had forgotten it at each session.

Shoong wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

You are avoiding fact and trying to justify criminality. What chance have we got with that attitude?!

Every time Southy rants on about tax avoidance, he overlooks the revenue that he avoids by smoking 'under the counter' rolling tobacco. Socialism in Southy's book is do as I say not do as I do.

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean — power over people, power to the State."

Guess who..? ;)

One day you might learn what socialism is really about but at the moment your to brainwashing in following the shepard like a lost sheep that you are and needs to be told what to think.

pod wrote:
Is this the same pub landlady that was featured in the Echo not long ago in a big page spread when she took over the licence of the anchor pub in Redbridge?
I am sure it is her.
Fact is, all above mentioned have broken the law, its called fraud.

no its not her.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote:
meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal.
>
I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted.
Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

Are you again making excuses for the 'man in the street' (who you are supposedly a champion for) to cheat the law & the other law abiding citizens of this country?

Stop making excuses for criminals just to promote your weird socialist propaganda.

Naizali Mohmed looks like he's really struggling doesn't he?

So much for your classless society.

"The trouble is with socialism, it resembles a form of mental illness more than it does a philosophy"
-- L. Neil Smith

No I don't what I saying to start at the top and work down wards, and never start at the bottom and work up wards. Make the biggest savings first and the smallest savings last.
After all a tree will fall over if you cut the roots before you cut the branches.

L.Neil Smith would say such a thing he was prove later to have no concept in the matter of Economic and Political system he just followed the sheep and is a Capitalist Liberalist, but remain a good fiction writer.
What you need to remember the USA are the lest amount of ones that know what Socialism really is, they call Liberalism Capitalism Communist.

'L.Neil Smith would say such a thing he was prove later to have no concept in the matter of Economic and Political system'

Then you two would make good company.

He be more suited to your bed than mine.

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:
Wickerman Iceland only done what was ask of them to do, and the moment they did control was no longer theres over the finance it was your big corporations in control, just that the Icelandic had the good sence to put those restictions back on that brough them back into stable condition again. Under any capitalism there will be no open free market, because the refuse to allow the one concept that would be there down fall and they know it, you can have an open free market place as long it don't include a Nationalise Industry reason being is that the private sector can not compeat with the public sector, they will not allow a nationalise co-op (that is communism) for the same reason they can not compeat. If the Private sector where to allow a state own industry or Nationlise Co-op that would also mean unemploment would drop way below the level where they could control the private sector wages and could not make the threats like they do now. I gave you a in the pass and early on, Thatcher her self was one of those who used this loophole that she created.

Has anyone ever read a series of random unconnected words and ideas that made less sense? I reckon "Under capitalism there will be no free market" is the most stupid inversion of reality but perhaps the Echo can offer a prize to anyone who can find a better one.

Ok wheres the nationalise industerys you need them to have a truely open free market with out them its not an open free market you narrowed the choice to what brand they can buy.
And its more stupid for any one who can not see that Fact.
I know why the Capitalist don't like national co-op or state own industrys apart from they would bring down unemployment below where capitalism can not unpay people and make the work longer, they also don't like the fact that profits go's towards the country to help it keep out of debt, and they don't have high paid bosses nor do they have the burden of shares holders.
Think about it for the next 30 years and then make comment

southy wrote:

pod wrote:
Is this the same pub landlady that was featured in the Echo not long ago in a big page spread when she took over the licence of the anchor pub in Redbridge?
I am sure it is her.
Fact is, all above mentioned have broken the law, its called fraud.

no its not her.

yes it is,

housewife wrote:
pod
I'd love to know which number you are using to contact HMRC as the accountancy press is full of the problems HMRC are having

the same one as everyone else, there are only problems at the moment because the deadline is coming up for self assessment.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote: meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal. > I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted. Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

You are avoiding fact and trying to justify criminality. What chance have we got with that attitude?!

Every time Southy rants on about tax avoidance, he overlooks the revenue that he avoids by smoking 'under the counter' rolling tobacco. Socialism in Southy's book is do as I say not do as I do.

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean — power over people, power to the State." Guess who..? ;)

One day you might learn what socialism is really about but at the moment your to brainwashing in following the shepard like a lost sheep that you are and needs to be told what to think.

Southy, a lesson in socialism -
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.

as usual these boards have been taken over with egotistical people using them for political rants.
Anyone claiming benefits that they are not entitled to have committed fraud with our money. Fraud is a crime. That makes them criminals. End of.

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

George4th wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

a and e wrote: meanwhile ,the rothchilds and their masonic helpers trouser trillions at taxpayer exspense , easier to pick on the little people.

Tax avoidance is legal. > I wish people on here would stop going on about people who only make up less than 1% of the population! How about the other 99%, many of whom operate in an illegal manner? Have you reported anyone for being a Benefits cheat? Have you reported anyone for working but not paying tax? Have you reported anyone for paying cash in hand? Have you reported anyone for not charging VAT or paying VAT?

It don't matter weather it legal or illegal the FACT remains it is costing the Country a great deal in lost Taxes that could be colletted. Tax dodging is the biggest cost to the country Illegal and Legal it is wrong which ever way you look at it. and claiming it back would amount in less money lost in the process, than to go after small amounts first, deal with the big ones first and the small ones last.

You are avoiding fact and trying to justify criminality. What chance have we got with that attitude?!

Every time Southy rants on about tax avoidance, he overlooks the revenue that he avoids by smoking 'under the counter' rolling tobacco. Socialism in Southy's book is do as I say not do as I do.

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean — power over people, power to the State." Guess who..? ;)

One day you might learn what socialism is really about but at the moment your to brainwashing in following the shepard like a lost sheep that you are and needs to be told what to think.

Southy, a lesson in socialism -
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.

Sadly, that is how human nature operates and therefore you are spot on!
Society is made up of those who aspire and those who do not.................