Care home was 'unclean, understaffed and unacceptable' (From Daily Echo)

And that's just ONE!

Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

This is exactly why Hampshire County Council should immediately stop closing its own residential homes for elderly and other vulnerable people. Yes, this care home has to be held to account for what has been uncovered, but Hampshire County Council chiefs also have to stop lining the pockets of second rate private care home owners who are only interested in one thing ... PROFIT!

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Your right - we should all be driving around in the 'peoples car'.

Incredible how extremists can see a picture of a Merc in a picture and then use it toward promoting an agenda. Seriously weird.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote: Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism. Money before people

Who's to say the car doesn't belong to someone visiting an elderly relative who is a resident in the home?
.
Some people's convictions seem to be driven purely on assumptions and suppositions!

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

Irate Wintonian wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote: Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism. Money before people

Who's to say the car doesn't belong to someone visiting an elderly relative who is a resident in the home?
.
Some people's convictions seem to be driven purely on assumptions and suppositions!

It has been in the news for well over a year. The "care home" scam is a national scandle. Have you missed it ?

It is quite common for a care home manager to be driving a £50,000 car while the residents live in rooms the size of a bathroom, share a common room and dining room, and eat food courtesy of Netto. The majority of the work force are teenage carers, with little experience, a smattering of English, earning about £12,000 pa.

Do the maths for a place like this. Each resident is paying about £30,000 a year minimum (average cost is closer to £600per week, not £500). So 13 x £30,000 is £390,000 going in each year. Going on the figures for state benefits, £8,000 per person should easily cover food, water, council tax, electricity, gas, and general building maintenance costs. Remember that figure is for one person living in one house or flat. Here we have 13 people sharing ONE house, so utilitity costs should be less per person.
£390,000 - £104,000 (13x £8,000) = £286,000 minimum left.

3 teen care assistants 7.00am-5.00pm Mon-Fri = £36,000pa

2 teen care assistants 5.00pm-11.00pm Mon-Fri = £16,000pa

1 care assistant 11.00pm-7.00am Mon-Fri = £15,000pa

3 teen care assistants 7.00am-5.00pm WkEnds = £14,400

2 teen care assistants 5.00pm-11.00pm Wkends = £6,400

1 care assistant 11.00pm-7.00am Wkends = £6,000pa

1 teen cook Mon-Fri = £16,000pa

1 teen cook WkEnds = £6,200pa

1 owner/manager = £50,000pa

So wages are £166,000pa.

£286,000 - £166,000 = £120,000 profit per year.

That's over a million in the bank after 10 years !

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

The report states that society holds elderly people in low esteem. I would also say it is a case of the staff being held in low esteem. All carers jobs are extremely poorly paid and no qualifications are needed. All carers should receive above average wage for the job that they do and it should be a requirement of the job that all carers are fully qualified to provide first rate care for the elderly. Childcare professionals are required to have qualifications so why should it be any different for the elderly. These are vulnerable people who's care and safety should be priority. It would break my heart to find out that a loved one was in an unclean and poorly staffed care home..

solomum wrote:
The report states that society holds elderly people in low esteem. I would also say it is a case of the staff being held in low esteem. All carers jobs are extremely poorly paid and no qualifications are needed. All carers should receive above average wage for the job that they do and it should be a requirement of the job that all carers are fully qualified to provide first rate care for the elderly. Childcare professionals are required to have qualifications so why should it be any different for the elderly. These are vulnerable people who's care and safety should be priority. It would break my heart to find out that a loved one was in an unclean and poorly staffed care home..

You are absolutely right.

As my break-down of care home running costs show, the reason the owners can make so much profit is because they pay their staff so badly.

solomum wrote:
The report states that society holds elderly people in low esteem. I would also say it is a case of the staff being held in low esteem. All carers jobs are extremely poorly paid and no qualifications are needed. All carers should receive above average wage for the job that they do and it should be a requirement of the job that all carers are fully qualified to provide first rate care for the elderly. Childcare professionals are required to have qualifications so why should it be any different for the elderly. These are vulnerable people who's care and safety should be priority. It would break my heart to find out that a loved one was in an unclean and poorly staffed care home..

You are bang on there!

We should ask ourselves, would we put our own mother/father in the care of someone who has never bothered with education, has no decent skills, yet work in an industry which is extremely demanding.

Would you go to hospital and allow nurses to look after you if they'd just been dragged off the street?

The care Industry is not suited to unqualified people.

BillyTheKid wrote:

Irate Wintonian wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote: Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism. Money before people

Who's to say the car doesn't belong to someone visiting an elderly relative who is a resident in the home?
.
Some people's convictions seem to be driven purely on assumptions and suppositions!

It has been in the news for well over a year. The "care home" scam is a national scandle. Have you missed it ?

It is quite common for a care home manager to be driving a £50,000 car while the residents live in rooms the size of a bathroom, share a common room and dining room, and eat food courtesy of Netto. The majority of the work force are teenage carers, with little experience, a smattering of English, earning about £12,000 pa.

Do the maths for a place like this. Each resident is paying about £30,000 a year minimum (average cost is closer to £600per week, not £500). So 13 x £30,000 is £390,000 going in each year. Going on the figures for state benefits, £8,000 per person should easily cover food, water, council tax, electricity, gas, and general building maintenance costs. Remember that figure is for one person living in one house or flat. Here we have 13 people sharing ONE house, so utilitity costs should be less per person.
£390,000 - £104,000 (13x £8,000) = £286,000 minimum left.

3 teen care assistants 7.00am-5.00pm Mon-Fri = £36,000pa

2 teen care assistants 5.00pm-11.00pm Mon-Fri = £16,000pa

1 care assistant 11.00pm-7.00am Mon-Fri = £15,000pa

3 teen care assistants 7.00am-5.00pm WkEnds = £14,400

2 teen care assistants 5.00pm-11.00pm Wkends = £6,400

1 care assistant 11.00pm-7.00am Wkends = £6,000pa

1 teen cook Mon-Fri = £16,000pa

1 teen cook WkEnds = £6,200pa

1 owner/manager = £50,000pa

So wages are £166,000pa.

£286,000 - £166,000 = £120,000 profit per year.

That's over a million in the bank after 10 years !

Very simplistic,and I can see where you're coming from...sort of.
Just a couple of extras..by law the overnight cover must be a minimum of 1 x Care Assistant + 1 x Senior Carer...the other things you have forgotten are the huge costs of the various insurances required to run a Care Home and the Employers NI contributions which,I think, are about 12% for each employee...at your reckoning this would come to about £20k + the salary of a senior carer,say £20k p.a.
Then take away the costs of the Insurances this would probably knock your 10 year total down by about £500k....so not as lucrative as it sounds.
Almost forgot,you didn't include the cleaners wages,but obviously, in the above article,there weren't any!!!

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

Don't be a propagandist idiot.
still like like to try and twist words don't you Shoong, and you know what I am saying, the man has money to spend on a luxury car, but he not willing to put money into his business, he thinking about him self and no one else just like you do.
so I only got one life, there a very good chance I seen more and done more than you will ever do over 2 life time periods,
And if I chose to help others in the last 1/3 of my life, that makes me 10 times a better person.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

Don't be a propagandist idiot.
still like like to try and twist words don't you Shoong, and you know what I am saying, the man has money to spend on a luxury car, but he not willing to put money into his business, he thinking about him self and no one else just like you do.
so I only got one life, there a very good chance I seen more and done more than you will ever do over 2 life time periods,
And if I chose to help others in the last 1/3 of my life, that makes me 10 times a better person.

Southy my dear friend, when you get a helper, can you allow them to post on your behalf? Just ask them to ignore what you say and type any gibberish nonsense, then we can all understand.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

You can pick up a semi-decent Merc for substantially less than £20k, voter-comrade.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

Don't be a propagandist idiot.
still like like to try and twist words don't you Shoong, and you know what I am saying, the man has money to spend on a luxury car, but he not willing to put money into his business, he thinking about him self and no one else just like you do.
so I only got one life, there a very good chance I seen more and done more than you will ever do over 2 life time periods,
And if I chose to help others in the last 1/3 of my life, that makes me 10 times a better person.

Worst. Post. Ever.

You know a thing or 2 about twisting words, don't tug at that thread.

As for being 10 x better a person than someone, how are you quantifying this? I always thought the root tenet of socialism et al was that all people were equal. Explain this anomaly, please. Are you actually 10 times as equal as Comrade Shoong?

Sorry to shoot the fox, but I have just bought a Mercedes and a dam fine car it is. My post was not the politics of envy, I just don't like scum who live the high life by ripping off the old and the frail.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

Don't be a propagandist idiot.
still like like to try and twist words don't you Shoong, and you know what I am saying, the man has money to spend on a luxury car, but he not willing to put money into his business, he thinking about him self and no one else just like you do.
so I only got one life, there a very good chance I seen more and done more than you will ever do over 2 life time periods,
And if I chose to help others in the last 1/3 of my life, that makes me 10 times a better person.

I don't know what you see or do on a daily basis, but it certainly isn't what most people see.

Do you sleep all day and dream?

Southy, is there any topic you aren't an expert on? Is there anything in this world you haven't experienced or studied?

I studied Business and Finance and can see you haven't?

But let's not get into qualifications as Maggie fixed them and set about hacking the internet......

Maybe it's me who's thick as two short planks.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

Don't be a propagandist idiot.
still like like to try and twist words don't you Shoong, and you know what I am saying, the man has money to spend on a luxury car, but he not willing to put money into his business, he thinking about him self and no one else just like you do.
so I only got one life, there a very good chance I seen more and done more than you will ever do over 2 life time periods,
And if I chose to help others in the last 1/3 of my life, that makes me 10 times a better person.

I don't know what you see or do on a daily basis, but it certainly isn't what most people see.

Do you sleep all day and dream?

Southy, is there any topic you aren't an expert on? Is there anything in this world you haven't experienced or studied?

I studied Business and Finance and can see you haven't?

But let's not get into qualifications as Maggie fixed them and set about hacking the internet......

Maybe it's me who's thick as two short planks.

There is "English- spelling and grammar I suck at that big time". You just not found out yet what I am not good at, like i am no good at football, i could not tell you every single rule or how it is best played ect, but i do enjoy watching a good match on the screen and i dont really care who the teams are and who win or loses just as long its a good match to watch. the only sports that i was really into was Basketball which i was not bad at ended up in the Solent sharks, but could only stay for the one season as leaving school my job took me out of the UK for 7mths of the year, also threw the Javlin not bad at that to.
But that can't be help, we all fail at some thing but excell in other things, even Einstein had a failiers he could not tie his own shoe laces, and was the reason why he only wore slip-ons, and his memory was poor also, whitch turn out to be a good thing because that ment he wrote every thing down even his errors.
Well I do what you can not do, and I don't expect any one that is stuck in a office to be able to do, just not feasible for them to do, and that is get out meet people go places,see things, do a lot of reseach, go to meeting ect ect.
Any one good at maths should be able to do Finances and businsess theres not much to that really just need a good head, but what will count is if your greedy or not, word gets around fast enough with out the internet what a company like.
Your not thick your just good at what you do, and it sounds like basically being in an office is all you done in your working life, that do not give you much experence in life, or see things, or to learn what is new or what as change in what your learnrd from school.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

Don't be a propagandist idiot.
still like like to try and twist words don't you Shoong, and you know what I am saying, the man has money to spend on a luxury car, but he not willing to put money into his business, he thinking about him self and no one else just like you do.
so I only got one life, there a very good chance I seen more and done more than you will ever do over 2 life time periods,
And if I chose to help others in the last 1/3 of my life, that makes me 10 times a better person.

Worst. Post. Ever.

You know a thing or 2 about twisting words, don't tug at that thread.

As for being 10 x better a person than someone, how are you quantifying this? I always thought the root tenet of socialism et al was that all people were equal. Explain this anomaly, please. Are you actually 10 times as equal as Comrade Shoong?

any body that put others before them selfs are 10 times better people.
Shoong thinks he better than any one else, his greed for him self and thinks only of him self.
Its about sharing and giving every one a chance is the root tenet of Socialism, and I can see you never read any books on the matter.
Socialism and Capitalism both are Economics and Political Policy Systems.
one is for the Rich Elite that do not share and is base on greed and keeping the wealth for the few thats Capitalism.
The other is for the Working Class and base on sharing the wealth that is Socialism.

southy spouted:

any body that put others before them selfs are 10 times better people.
Shoong thinks he better than any one else, his greed for him self and thinks only of him self.
Its about sharing and giving every one a chance is the root tenet of Socialism, and I can see you never read any books on the matter.
Socialism and Capitalism both are Economics and Political Policy Systems.
one is for the Rich Elite that do not share and is base on greed and keeping the wealth for the few thats Capitalism.
The other is for the Working Class and base on sharing the wealth that is Socialism.

How are you putting others before yourself, again? You seem to spend most of your time posting here telling everyone how much better than them you are.

What a plum.

and knowing the real difference between Socialism and Capitalism should make you under stand why Capitalist do not want Socialism in any form to be operating any where around the world, once it operating it will show that it works far better than Capitalism will ever do, like here in the uk the 40% policys that was Socialism was keeping the uk head above water between 1945-79 yes it do have its small problems but they will be easier to iron out, Capitalism problems can not be ironed out they will keep on returning being bigger and deeper than the last one.

southy wrote:
and knowing the real difference between Socialism and Capitalism should make you under stand why Capitalist do not want Socialism in any form to be operating any where around the world, once it operating it will show that it works far better than Capitalism will ever do, like here in the uk the 40% policys that was Socialism was keeping the uk head above water between 1945-79 yes it do have its small problems but they will be easier to iron out, Capitalism problems can not be ironed out they will keep on returning being bigger and deeper than the last one.

What does any of this have to do with anything posted here? It's quite amusing to watch you post these endless political non sequiturs (look it up) but aren't you getting bored yet?

100%HANTSBOY wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

Irate Wintonian wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote: Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism. Money before people

Who's to say the car doesn't belong to someone visiting an elderly relative who is a resident in the home?
.
Some people's convictions seem to be driven purely on assumptions and suppositions!

It has been in the news for well over a year. The "care home" scam is a national scandle. Have you missed it ?

It is quite common for a care home manager to be driving a £50,000 car while the residents live in rooms the size of a bathroom, share a common room and dining room, and eat food courtesy of Netto. The majority of the work force are teenage carers, with little experience, a smattering of English, earning about £12,000 pa.

Do the maths for a place like this. Each resident is paying about £30,000 a year minimum (average cost is closer to £600per week, not £500). So 13 x £30,000 is £390,000 going in each year. Going on the figures for state benefits, £8,000 per person should easily cover food, water, council tax, electricity, gas, and general building maintenance costs. Remember that figure is for one person living in one house or flat. Here we have 13 people sharing ONE house, so utilitity costs should be less per person.
£390,000 - £104,000 (13x £8,000) = £286,000 minimum left.

3 teen care assistants 7.00am-5.00pm Mon-Fri = £36,000pa

2 teen care assistants 5.00pm-11.00pm Mon-Fri = £16,000pa

1 care assistant 11.00pm-7.00am Mon-Fri = £15,000pa

3 teen care assistants 7.00am-5.00pm WkEnds = £14,400

2 teen care assistants 5.00pm-11.00pm Wkends = £6,400

1 care assistant 11.00pm-7.00am Wkends = £6,000pa

1 teen cook Mon-Fri = £16,000pa

1 teen cook WkEnds = £6,200pa

1 owner/manager = £50,000pa

So wages are £166,000pa.

£286,000 - £166,000 = £120,000 profit per year.

That's over a million in the bank after 10 years !

Very simplistic,and I can see where you're coming from...sort of.
Just a couple of extras..by law the overnight cover must be a minimum of 1 x Care Assistant + 1 x Senior Carer...the other things you have forgotten are the huge costs of the various insurances required to run a Care Home and the Employers NI contributions which,I think, are about 12% for each employee...at your reckoning this would come to about £20k + the salary of a senior carer,say £20k p.a.
Then take away the costs of the Insurances this would probably knock your 10 year total down by about £500k....so not as lucrative as it sounds.
Almost forgot,you didn't include the cleaners wages,but obviously, in the above article,there weren't any!!!

The owner/manager, as is probably the case in the above, would live on site, and thus cover the senior carer overnight aspect. I suspect the owner/manager would have little difficulty in persuading staff to do some cleaning duties, particularly if she made a show of doing some herself !

The thing is, £30,000 pa per resident is quite low. There are many care homes charging anything up to £60,000 pa per resident, and when you get to nursing care, it can be anything from £70-100,000 pa.

My point was that it is fairly easy to make a good profit with cheap, inexperienced labour, and by cutting corners here and there. You can get away with it for several years, put things right when the CQC inspection says "Naughty, naughty !", and then back to getting away with it again for a few more years.

I am talking from personal experience of what I have seen, what I know, what I have been told, and what I have read. Having full-time care responsibilities for an elderly parent means I need to look ahead and plan what to do if I am no longer able to look after them. If I were to quote names, places, and figures where exploitation is taking place now, I'd need a good solicitor !

Generally, the elderly do not complain, and many suffer from dementia and thus have no idea of the level and quality of care they are getting. Add to this the fact that most of the care home fees come indirectly through taxation, running one is very attractive to the unscrupulous.

Don't take my word for it. Do the research. Read the news articles. Book yourself into a home as an undercover "oldie" !

The care home system in the UK is a national scandal, and requires new laws and regulations.

Socialism works with fair, honest, caring people who believe in equality, and sharing skills and resources.

Capitalism works with fair, honest, caring people who believe in competition, reward for achievement, and who are prepared to assist those who are unable to compete or achieve.

What works with unfair, dishonest, uncaring people who want something for nothing (ie the human race !) ?

BillyTheKid wrote:
Socialism works with fair, honest, caring people who believe in equality, and sharing skills and resources.

Capitalism works with fair, honest, caring people who believe in competition, reward for achievement, and who are prepared to assist those who are unable to compete or achieve.

What works with unfair, dishonest, uncaring people who want something for nothing (ie the human race !) ?

What works? Being one of the unfair, dishonest, uncaring people who want something for nothing.

Although, I have to say, capitalism might have it's faults, but I don't think "wanting something for nothing" comes into it.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Still enough money for the owners Merc outside I see. Private sector - what do yoy expect.

Oh dear, sees a picture of a car he wishes he could afford and then goes for the cheap shot.

Shoong as ever defending the wealthy yet again, this is what you get in the private sector and with multi trades, poor workmanship and over priced, all in the name of the Capitalism.
Money before people

Protip: you don't need to be 'wealthy' to drive a Merc, comrade.

True Georgem there a few good second hand ones on the market if you got £20k spare.
The thing is if he got money to have gas gusler like he got, then he got the money to spend on the home to improve it a lot better at lest up to NHS standards, but the truth Capitalist do not want to spend out, they are in it for they greed of money and not the welfare of people. Heck people comes last with a capitalist all ways have done all wells will do.

So every time you see a Merc then you growl and think 'Capitalist Pig'..?

You are wasting too short a life Pete, you only get one.

Don't be a propagandist idiot.
still like like to try and twist words don't you Shoong, and you know what I am saying, the man has money to spend on a luxury car, but he not willing to put money into his business, he thinking about him self and no one else just like you do.
so I only got one life, there a very good chance I seen more and done more than you will ever do over 2 life time periods,
And if I chose to help others in the last 1/3 of my life, that makes me 10 times a better person.

I don't know what you see or do on a daily basis, but it certainly isn't what most people see.

Do you sleep all day and dream?

Southy, is there any topic you aren't an expert on? Is there anything in this world you haven't experienced or studied?

I studied Business and Finance and can see you haven't?

But let's not get into qualifications as Maggie fixed them and set about hacking the internet......

Maybe it's me who's thick as two short planks.

There is "English- spelling and grammar I suck at that big time". You just not found out yet what I am not good at, like i am no good at football, i could not tell you every single rule or how it is best played ect, but i do enjoy watching a good match on the screen and i dont really care who the teams are and who win or loses just as long its a good match to watch. the only sports that i was really into was Basketball which i was not bad at ended up in the Solent sharks, but could only stay for the one season as leaving school my job took me out of the UK for 7mths of the year, also threw the Javlin not bad at that to.
But that can't be help, we all fail at some thing but excell in other things, even Einstein had a failiers he could not tie his own shoe laces, and was the reason why he only wore slip-ons, and his memory was poor also, whitch turn out to be a good thing because that ment he wrote every thing down even his errors.
Well I do what you can not do, and I don't expect any one that is stuck in a office to be able to do, just not feasible for them to do, and that is get out meet people go places,see things, do a lot of reseach, go to meeting ect ect.
Any one good at maths should be able to do Finances and businsess theres not much to that really just need a good head, but what will count is if your greedy or not, word gets around fast enough with out the internet what a company like.
Your not thick your just good at what you do, and it sounds like basically being in an office is all you done in your working life, that do not give you much experence in life, or see things, or to learn what is new or what as change in what your learnrd from school.

Being in an office?? Southy, I have my own business, yes I do office work, I also meet people to discuss future business etc. I work on the shop floor and get my hands dirty, I don't sit in an office all day looking at a computer screen or I'd be posting as often as you do!

Southy appears to find expressing himself challenging, but I am not sure whether or not this is a "role" he uses.

Whatever the case, virtually everything he says has a solid foundation, which you may or may not agree with. He has imagination, intuition, and a belief in fairness.

It is a pity so many here are rude and condescending, and do not take the trouble to discuss with him.

Southy, this shouldn't need to be said, but apparently it does: If you're TELLING people that you're a better person than they are, there's a good chance you aren't.

As for your assertion that anybody who works in an office has no life experience, that's downright insulting, not to mention profoundly naive. From what I've seen, your life experience is virtually non-existent, so I'm not too concerned how you measure others', but still. Enough with the patronising comments now.

Georgem wrote:
Southy, this shouldn't need to be said, but apparently it does: If you're TELLING people that you're a better person than they are, there's a good chance you aren't.

As for your assertion that anybody who works in an office has no life experience, that's downright insulting, not to mention profoundly naive. From what I've seen, your life experience is virtually non-existent, so I'm not too concerned how you measure others', but still. Enough with the patronising comments now.

What have you seen, George ? Do you know Southy personally ?

You seem to criticise bits and pieces and miss the bigger picture.......quite often.

Stories like this are all too common and expose the challenges of finding good standard care homes for older people. One strategy that could be adopted by the friends and relatives of older people living in care homes that don't meet essential standards is to help them switch to homes that provide decent services that treat people with dignity and respect. If we all did this, the poor homes would soon go out of business and the quality homes would flourish.