Cyclists' anger at 'disgraceful' posters ahead of Wiggle Sportive in the New Forest

Cyclists' fury at 'disgraceful and fictional' posters

Cyclists taking part in a Wiggle cycling event in the New Forest

The anti-Wiggle poster in the New Forest

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A WAR of words has broken out in the New Forest as the area braces itself for the first mass-cycling event of the year.

Both sides in the debate have gone on the offensive ahead of the two-day Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive, which starts tomorrow.

More than 2,000 cyclists have entered the event, sparking fears that the Forest will witness a repeat of the problems experienced last year.

Cyclists were accused of endangering the safety of walkers and horse riders, swearing at motorists and even defecating at the roadside.

Now opponents of the latest event have published posters urging residents to alert the authorities if any of the entrants cause trouble.

The posters list 15 towns and villages across the Forest where critics claim incidents could occur over the weekend.

They add: “This notice is to alert local residents and visitors to the New Forest of this abuse of our tranquil locality and warn that this event could put members of the public at risk as they go about their daily lives.”

The sell-out ride has also come under fire from the New Forest Equestrian Association.

Chairman Tony Hockleysaid: “Many people will obviously be unable to avoid using parts of the route while the event takes place.

“They will need to take very great care as there will be a fast-moving stream of entrants for several hours each day.”

But cyclists have hit back in a series of tweets defending the event and accusing its opponents of Nimbyism.

Rod Howell tweeted: “Some of the words in that (poster) are disgraceful. Staying away this year.”

New Forest Cyclist added: “I’m a local, lived in area all my life, unlike this vocal, anti-cycling, Nimby minority.”

Another tweeter said: “The allegations against cyclists have no basis in fact whatsoever. Utter fiction.”

Daily Echo: The anti-Wiggle poster in the New ForestThe poster which has angered cyclists

Most of the previous Wiggle rides were based in the Brockenhurst area, including New Park – home of the New Forest Show. But organisers were banned from the site last year after a pony round-up on neighbouring land was cancelled on safety grounds.

As reported in the Daily Echo, this weekend’s event is being hosted by Matchams Leisure Park, near Ringwood. Cyclists have a choice of two routes – one of 84 miles and one of 62.

The UK Cycling Events website says: “Riding with 2,000+ like-minded riders will ensure you have a magical experience.”

Wiggle boss Martin Barden sought to calm fears surrounding the event when he addressed a meeting of Ringwood Town Council last month.

He pledged that extra marshals would be deployed in a bid to prevent cyclists from causing any upset.

He also said the numbers worn by riders would be more visible, making it easier for any bad behaviour to be reported and dealt with.

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4:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

friday says...

Cyclists' anger at 'disgraceful' posters ..ummmm, I cannot find any words on that poster that would qualify as disgraceful, someone is either over reacting, does not believe in free speech, or needs to get a thicker skin. People who live in that area have every right to not want this event. I think there is some false outrage over a poster that is perfectly in order.
Cyclists' anger at 'disgraceful' posters ..ummmm, I cannot find any words on that poster that would qualify as disgraceful, someone is either over reacting, does not believe in free speech, or needs to get a thicker skin. People who live in that area have every right to not want this event. I think there is some false outrage over a poster that is perfectly in order. friday
  • Score: 18

5:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

Ash_69 says...

Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals -

https://m.flickr.com

/#/photos/downfader/

13720958055/
Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/ Ash_69
  • Score: 15

5:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

latitude19 says...

Ignore them and they will go away all on their own.,
Ignore them and they will go away all on their own., latitude19
  • Score: -10

5:49am Fri 11 Apr 14

Ash_69 says...

2,000 over 2 days and over different courses depending on which route is taken.

Mind you the NFEA would have you believe it is double that number and give the impression it is one huge peleton as seen on the TDF.

We could always count the number of other vehicle movements say going into Lymington or Lyndhurst. Home many cars drive through Burley getting cross at the people daring to be in the road there?

The forest is for all, not just for horse riding & hunting any more.

Why does someone else's enjoyment spoil your own fun? Time to live for yourself for once I think.
2,000 over 2 days and over different courses depending on which route is taken. Mind you the NFEA would have you believe it is double that number and give the impression it is one huge peleton as seen on the TDF. We could always count the number of other vehicle movements say going into Lymington or Lyndhurst. Home many cars drive through Burley getting cross at the people daring to be in the road there? The forest is for all, not just for horse riding & hunting any more. Why does someone else's enjoyment spoil your own fun? Time to live for yourself for once I think. Ash_69
  • Score: 38

6:20am Fri 11 Apr 14

KA says...

The Forest is there for the enjoyment of all whether it be horse riding, walking, cycling.. you may live there but you dont own it....
The Forest is there for the enjoyment of all whether it be horse riding, walking, cycling.. you may live there but you dont own it.... KA
  • Score: 76

6:31am Fri 11 Apr 14

saint61 says...

Please come through my village. I welcome everyone to the Forest, we need the income and welcome your company. Don't listen to the minority, who anger me by thinking they can speak for us all.
Please come through my village. I welcome everyone to the Forest, we need the income and welcome your company. Don't listen to the minority, who anger me by thinking they can speak for us all. saint61
  • Score: 106

7:08am Fri 11 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

Why do you have to write "Cyclists fury" it doesn't help does it.
Why do you have to write "Cyclists fury" it doesn't help does it. bigfella777
  • Score: 9

7:36am Fri 11 Apr 14

jimbobbo says...

This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots. jimbobbo
  • Score: 31

7:38am Fri 11 Apr 14

westhantsboy says...

Fat bottomed girls they make the rock in' world go round.
Fat bottomed girls they make the rock in' world go round. westhantsboy
  • Score: 15

7:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

westhantsboy says...

2000 riders bringing money to this part of the forest . Yes, some will go to the organisers but as already stated this is a free country, cycling keeps you fit, harms no one. I'd sooner see this lot then a whole load of cars queuing round the car park that is Lyndhurst this weekend. Sad, bigoted minority who probably have moved here over the years who want it all for themselves on their own terms. Long may it continue, especially now the new forest half marathon is not taking place this year.
2000 riders bringing money to this part of the forest . Yes, some will go to the organisers but as already stated this is a free country, cycling keeps you fit, harms no one. I'd sooner see this lot then a whole load of cars queuing round the car park that is Lyndhurst this weekend. Sad, bigoted minority who probably have moved here over the years who want it all for themselves on their own terms. Long may it continue, especially now the new forest half marathon is not taking place this year. westhantsboy
  • Score: 67

7:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

Someone has much too much time on their hands
Someone has much too much time on their hands elvisimo
  • Score: 25

8:12am Fri 11 Apr 14

userds5050 says...

jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event.
Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me.
NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event. Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me. NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all. userds5050
  • Score: -5

8:16am Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

Ash_69 wrote:
Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals -

https://m.flickr.com


/#/photos/downfader/


13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars?
On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available.
More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
[quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think? StElsass
  • Score: 30

8:17am Fri 11 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

userds5050 wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event.
Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me.
NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.
I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event. Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me. NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.[/p][/quote]I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline. elvisimo
  • Score: 10

8:17am Fri 11 Apr 14

Zexagon says...

Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)
Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again) Zexagon
  • Score: 2

8:34am Fri 11 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it.
Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it. Dai Rear
  • Score: 36

9:00am Fri 11 Apr 14

newforestbloke says...

jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!! newforestbloke
  • Score: 2

9:10am Fri 11 Apr 14

SilvanDryad says...

StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded. SilvanDryad
  • Score: 19

9:20am Fri 11 Apr 14

camerajuan says...

Zexagon wrote:
Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)
Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed.

Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further.

Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)[/p][/quote]Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed. Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further. Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks. camerajuan
  • Score: 14

9:23am Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

SilvanDryad wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now!
I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think?
And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.
[quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.[/p][/quote]Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now! I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think? And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it. StElsass
  • Score: 7

9:24am Fri 11 Apr 14

userds5050 says...

SilvanDryad wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
I think he was referring to the producers of the poster.
[quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.[/p][/quote]I think he was referring to the producers of the poster. userds5050
  • Score: 3

9:27am Fri 11 Apr 14

camerajuan says...

StElsass wrote:
SilvanDryad wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now!
I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think?
And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.
So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory!
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.[/p][/quote]Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now! I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think? And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.[/p][/quote]So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory! camerajuan
  • Score: 2

9:27am Fri 11 Apr 14

newforestbloke says...

elvisimo wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event.
Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me.
NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.
I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline.
not exactly. Part of the issue regarding these events is that for an event which is officially competitive,permissi
on must be sought from the appropriate authorities.

These events claim to be non competitive, recreational, and therefore are unregulated.

Opponents claim that the behaviour of certain participants plus publishing times taken and the award of medals means that in fact these events are in fact competitive.and are inappropriate in this unique part of the country which doesn't just happen, but managed.

If, as suggested Frest residents and workers should move to accomodate yet another event,then soon there won't be a New Forest, it will revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event. Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me. NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.[/p][/quote]I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline.[/p][/quote]not exactly. Part of the issue regarding these events is that for an event which is officially competitive,permissi on must be sought from the appropriate authorities. These events claim to be non competitive, recreational, and therefore are unregulated. Opponents claim that the behaviour of certain participants plus publishing times taken and the award of medals means that in fact these events are in fact competitive.and are inappropriate in this unique part of the country which doesn't just happen, but managed. If, as suggested Frest residents and workers should move to accomodate yet another event,then soon there won't be a New Forest, it will revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown newforestbloke
  • Score: -4

9:34am Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

camerajuan wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)
Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed.

Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further.

Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks.
I take it you don't own a car? And those 2,000 people will all be coming by train tomorrow? Or will cycle from all over the country?
You want to talk about pollution?
Every other week I clear the ditch along my road of all the mess left by people driving/cycling through the "beautiful New Forest". It takes the afternoon.
And believe me, the rubbish doesn't all come through car windows, what with all those Wiggo lookalikes thinking they can empty their back pockets in the same way as their hero does on the TDF....
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)[/p][/quote]Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed. Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further. Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks.[/p][/quote]I take it you don't own a car? And those 2,000 people will all be coming by train tomorrow? Or will cycle from all over the country? You want to talk about pollution? Every other week I clear the ditch along my road of all the mess left by people driving/cycling through the "beautiful New Forest". It takes the afternoon. And believe me, the rubbish doesn't all come through car windows, what with all those Wiggo lookalikes thinking they can empty their back pockets in the same way as their hero does on the TDF.... StElsass
  • Score: 0

9:39am Fri 11 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

newforestbloke wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event.
Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me.
NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.
I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline.
not exactly. Part of the issue regarding these events is that for an event which is officially competitive,permissi

on must be sought from the appropriate authorities.

These events claim to be non competitive, recreational, and therefore are unregulated.

Opponents claim that the behaviour of certain participants plus publishing times taken and the award of medals means that in fact these events are in fact competitive.and are inappropriate in this unique part of the country which doesn't just happen, but managed.

If, as suggested Frest residents and workers should move to accomodate yet another event,then soon there won't be a New Forest, it will revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown
"revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown"
Judging by the A337 south of Cadnam, all rotting fallen timber, no husbandry whatsoever, that appears to be precisely what the National Park seeks
[quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event. Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me. NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.[/p][/quote]I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline.[/p][/quote]not exactly. Part of the issue regarding these events is that for an event which is officially competitive,permissi on must be sought from the appropriate authorities. These events claim to be non competitive, recreational, and therefore are unregulated. Opponents claim that the behaviour of certain participants plus publishing times taken and the award of medals means that in fact these events are in fact competitive.and are inappropriate in this unique part of the country which doesn't just happen, but managed. If, as suggested Frest residents and workers should move to accomodate yet another event,then soon there won't be a New Forest, it will revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown[/p][/quote]"revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown" Judging by the A337 south of Cadnam, all rotting fallen timber, no husbandry whatsoever, that appears to be precisely what the National Park seeks Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

9:43am Fri 11 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

I find strenuous exercise most distressing to witness. Its unnatural.
I find strenuous exercise most distressing to witness. Its unnatural. good-gosh
  • Score: 17

9:44am Fri 11 Apr 14

QwertyWerty says...

I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle.

Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire!
I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle. Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire! QwertyWerty
  • Score: 6

9:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly
Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: -8

9:51am Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

camerajuan wrote:
StElsass wrote:
SilvanDryad wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now!
I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think?
And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.
So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory!
It may come as news to you but there are other events happening in the NF this weekend! I.e I have to take my son to a football match tomorrow morning and thanks to your pointing me to the Wiggle website I just found out that the route I was going to take will be full of cyclists, so I'll go another way. See how it helps to communicate?
By the way, I don't quite understand why people would want to pay for cycling; must be good business for the organisers, though..
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.[/p][/quote]Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now! I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think? And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.[/p][/quote]So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory![/p][/quote]It may come as news to you but there are other events happening in the NF this weekend! I.e I have to take my son to a football match tomorrow morning and thanks to your pointing me to the Wiggle website I just found out that the route I was going to take will be full of cyclists, so I'll go another way. See how it helps to communicate? By the way, I don't quite understand why people would want to pay for cycling; must be good business for the organisers, though.. StElsass
  • Score: 9

9:56am Fri 11 Apr 14

From the sidelines says...

QwertyWerty wrote:
I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle.

Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire!
Perhaps Wiggle have told the Echo's advertising sellers where they can stick their tatty rag.
[quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle. Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire![/p][/quote]Perhaps Wiggle have told the Echo's advertising sellers where they can stick their tatty rag. From the sidelines
  • Score: 3

9:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why do you have to write "Cyclists fury" it doesn't help does it.
Oh, I see it's only anger now.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why do you have to write "Cyclists fury" it doesn't help does it.[/p][/quote]Oh, I see it's only anger now. bigfella777
  • Score: 2

10:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

camerajuan says...

StElsass wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)
Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed.

Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further.

Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks.
I take it you don't own a car? And those 2,000 people will all be coming by train tomorrow? Or will cycle from all over the country?
You want to talk about pollution?
Every other week I clear the ditch along my road of all the mess left by people driving/cycling through the "beautiful New Forest". It takes the afternoon.
And believe me, the rubbish doesn't all come through car windows, what with all those Wiggo lookalikes thinking they can empty their back pockets in the same way as their hero does on the TDF....
Lovely to assume isn't it? When you don't know a thing about me.

So every other week you clear your street of rubbish left by cyclists AND drivers, yet you choose to target Bradley Wiggins as a "hero" to imitate. I've cycled behind so many cars between Ashurst and New Milton just opening doors/windows and tipping out their junk I've lost count. Plus, a few bottles & piles of paper don't come close to the damage cars & other motorised vehicles are doing every day. Everywhere. In greater number and with greater danger to the general public.

Seems like you have some kind of misguided rage and you have chosen cyclists as the undeserving recipient.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)[/p][/quote]Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed. Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further. Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks.[/p][/quote]I take it you don't own a car? And those 2,000 people will all be coming by train tomorrow? Or will cycle from all over the country? You want to talk about pollution? Every other week I clear the ditch along my road of all the mess left by people driving/cycling through the "beautiful New Forest". It takes the afternoon. And believe me, the rubbish doesn't all come through car windows, what with all those Wiggo lookalikes thinking they can empty their back pockets in the same way as their hero does on the TDF....[/p][/quote]Lovely to assume isn't it? When you don't know a thing about me. So every other week you clear your street of rubbish left by cyclists AND drivers, yet you choose to target Bradley Wiggins as a "hero" to imitate. I've cycled behind so many cars between Ashurst and New Milton just opening doors/windows and tipping out their junk I've lost count. Plus, a few bottles & piles of paper don't come close to the damage cars & other motorised vehicles are doing every day. Everywhere. In greater number and with greater danger to the general public. Seems like you have some kind of misguided rage and you have chosen cyclists as the undeserving recipient. camerajuan
  • Score: 17

10:08am Fri 11 Apr 14

Torchie1 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event.
Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me.
NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.
I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline.
not exactly. Part of the issue regarding these events is that for an event which is officially competitive,permissi


on must be sought from the appropriate authorities.

These events claim to be non competitive, recreational, and therefore are unregulated.

Opponents claim that the behaviour of certain participants plus publishing times taken and the award of medals means that in fact these events are in fact competitive.and are inappropriate in this unique part of the country which doesn't just happen, but managed.

If, as suggested Frest residents and workers should move to accomodate yet another event,then soon there won't be a New Forest, it will revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown
"revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown"
Judging by the A337 south of Cadnam, all rotting fallen timber, no husbandry whatsoever, that appears to be precisely what the National Park seeks
In some areas of the forest a deliberate plan is made to leave fallen timber to decay for the benefit of insects, birds and small animals.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]It's not a free country at all. You need a license to host a 2000 rider cycling event. You have to expect there to be some objection to such an event. Why they're getting upset over a pretty lame poster is beyond me. NIMBY has become a bit like troll. It's bandied around so much now it's ceased to have any meaning at all.[/p][/quote]I don't think there is much "fury" evident - just a lazy headline.[/p][/quote]not exactly. Part of the issue regarding these events is that for an event which is officially competitive,permissi on must be sought from the appropriate authorities. These events claim to be non competitive, recreational, and therefore are unregulated. Opponents claim that the behaviour of certain participants plus publishing times taken and the award of medals means that in fact these events are in fact competitive.and are inappropriate in this unique part of the country which doesn't just happen, but managed. If, as suggested Frest residents and workers should move to accomodate yet another event,then soon there won't be a New Forest, it will revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown[/p][/quote]"revert to scrub and eventally be totally overgrown" Judging by the A337 south of Cadnam, all rotting fallen timber, no husbandry whatsoever, that appears to be precisely what the National Park seeks[/p][/quote]In some areas of the forest a deliberate plan is made to leave fallen timber to decay for the benefit of insects, birds and small animals. Torchie1
  • Score: 22

10:17am Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

camerajuan wrote:
StElsass wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)
Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed.

Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further.

Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks.
I take it you don't own a car? And those 2,000 people will all be coming by train tomorrow? Or will cycle from all over the country?
You want to talk about pollution?
Every other week I clear the ditch along my road of all the mess left by people driving/cycling through the "beautiful New Forest". It takes the afternoon.
And believe me, the rubbish doesn't all come through car windows, what with all those Wiggo lookalikes thinking they can empty their back pockets in the same way as their hero does on the TDF....
Lovely to assume isn't it? When you don't know a thing about me.

So every other week you clear your street of rubbish left by cyclists AND drivers, yet you choose to target Bradley Wiggins as a "hero" to imitate. I've cycled behind so many cars between Ashurst and New Milton just opening doors/windows and tipping out their junk I've lost count. Plus, a few bottles & piles of paper don't come close to the damage cars & other motorised vehicles are doing every day. Everywhere. In greater number and with greater danger to the general public.

Seems like you have some kind of misguided rage and you have chosen cyclists as the undeserving recipient.
What exactly did I assume? I asked questions, which you haven't answered!
As I said in a previous post, I do cycle myself. And as it happens I do drive as well, which, whether you like it or not, is the case for a majority of cyclists.
So there is not one or the other and it is quite naive to think that because people are on a bike they suddenly become more civilised.
What I object about is those people who are quite happy to come and visit a beautiful part of the country but do not make the effort to keep it that way. After all, why would they, they won't be here come Monday!
I am not saying that "they are all the same" but it is obvious that the more people are gathered together, the bigger the mess; and that counts for every way of life.
And, by the way, starting a sentence with "it seems" generally ends up with an assumption....
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)[/p][/quote]Sorry to disappoint your homoerotic fantasy Zexy but I was too busy working this morning to see this story. Don't be too crushed. Now that I have seen it I shall respond in typical fashion as not to disappoint further. Shall we put posters up every other day of the year all over the country reminding people to be careful of drivers? In greater volume every day, causing greater destruction and causing infinitely more pollution than cyclists ever will. Doubt it. Bunch of two faced, jaded, overweight local twonks.[/p][/quote]I take it you don't own a car? And those 2,000 people will all be coming by train tomorrow? Or will cycle from all over the country? You want to talk about pollution? Every other week I clear the ditch along my road of all the mess left by people driving/cycling through the "beautiful New Forest". It takes the afternoon. And believe me, the rubbish doesn't all come through car windows, what with all those Wiggo lookalikes thinking they can empty their back pockets in the same way as their hero does on the TDF....[/p][/quote]Lovely to assume isn't it? When you don't know a thing about me. So every other week you clear your street of rubbish left by cyclists AND drivers, yet you choose to target Bradley Wiggins as a "hero" to imitate. I've cycled behind so many cars between Ashurst and New Milton just opening doors/windows and tipping out their junk I've lost count. Plus, a few bottles & piles of paper don't come close to the damage cars & other motorised vehicles are doing every day. Everywhere. In greater number and with greater danger to the general public. Seems like you have some kind of misguided rage and you have chosen cyclists as the undeserving recipient.[/p][/quote]What exactly did I assume? I asked questions, which you haven't answered! As I said in a previous post, I do cycle myself. And as it happens I do drive as well, which, whether you like it or not, is the case for a majority of cyclists. So there is not one or the other and it is quite naive to think that because people are on a bike they suddenly become more civilised. What I object about is those people who are quite happy to come and visit a beautiful part of the country but do not make the effort to keep it that way. After all, why would they, they won't be here come Monday! I am not saying that "they are all the same" but it is obvious that the more people are gathered together, the bigger the mess; and that counts for every way of life. And, by the way, starting a sentence with "it seems" generally ends up with an assumption.... StElsass
  • Score: 1

10:17am Fri 11 Apr 14

Richard of Wantage says...

chimneysweep 1234 wrote:
Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly
Spring is in the air, so it must be that time of year when the anti-cycle trolls come out to play!
[quote][p][bold]chimneysweep 1234[/bold] wrote: Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly[/p][/quote]Spring is in the air, so it must be that time of year when the anti-cycle trolls come out to play! Richard of Wantage
  • Score: 11

10:18am Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it.
Perhaps those who 'illuminate' a political debate with puerile misspellings of someone's name should look a little closer to home for evidence of retardation.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps those who 'illuminate' a political debate with puerile misspellings of someone's name should look a little closer to home for evidence of retardation. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

10:27am Fri 11 Apr 14

QwertyWerty says...

From the sidelines wrote:
QwertyWerty wrote:
I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle.

Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire!
Perhaps Wiggle have told the Echo's advertising sellers where they can stick their tatty rag.
Perhaps this is so. However, Wiggle seem to have a good reputation everywhere else. For example, their Purbeck Hill-a-sarus and Super Series. They have events up and down the country and no other district makes such a noise about it. I live in the New Forest and welcome the events... It gets local business trade - Campsites, shops, pubs etc. And it's only 3 days a year. Seriously. I choose to live with the pony traffic and tractors just as I chose to live with people who want to cycle and walk there. It's just part and parcel of living there!
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle. Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire![/p][/quote]Perhaps Wiggle have told the Echo's advertising sellers where they can stick their tatty rag.[/p][/quote]Perhaps this is so. However, Wiggle seem to have a good reputation everywhere else. For example, their Purbeck Hill-a-sarus and Super Series. They have events up and down the country and no other district makes such a noise about it. I live in the New Forest and welcome the events... It gets local business trade - Campsites, shops, pubs etc. And it's only 3 days a year. Seriously. I choose to live with the pony traffic and tractors just as I chose to live with people who want to cycle and walk there. It's just part and parcel of living there! QwertyWerty
  • Score: 21

10:37am Fri 11 Apr 14

eurogordi says...

To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things.

1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads.

2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour.

3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route.

4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning.

Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism
To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism eurogordi
  • Score: 6

10:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

camerajuan says...

QwertyWerty wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
QwertyWerty wrote:
I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle.

Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire!
Perhaps Wiggle have told the Echo's advertising sellers where they can stick their tatty rag.
Perhaps this is so. However, Wiggle seem to have a good reputation everywhere else. For example, their Purbeck Hill-a-sarus and Super Series. They have events up and down the country and no other district makes such a noise about it. I live in the New Forest and welcome the events... It gets local business trade - Campsites, shops, pubs etc. And it's only 3 days a year. Seriously. I choose to live with the pony traffic and tractors just as I chose to live with people who want to cycle and walk there. It's just part and parcel of living there!
My favourite post so far.
[quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: I know that the Echo appears to have an issue with Wiggle. Get a proper news story out and stop fuelling the fire![/p][/quote]Perhaps Wiggle have told the Echo's advertising sellers where they can stick their tatty rag.[/p][/quote]Perhaps this is so. However, Wiggle seem to have a good reputation everywhere else. For example, their Purbeck Hill-a-sarus and Super Series. They have events up and down the country and no other district makes such a noise about it. I live in the New Forest and welcome the events... It gets local business trade - Campsites, shops, pubs etc. And it's only 3 days a year. Seriously. I choose to live with the pony traffic and tractors just as I chose to live with people who want to cycle and walk there. It's just part and parcel of living there![/p][/quote]My favourite post so far. camerajuan
  • Score: 17

10:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

jimbobbo says...

newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out.
[quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out. jimbobbo
  • Score: 7

10:57am Fri 11 Apr 14

KA says...

eurogordi wrote:
To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things.

1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads.

2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour.

3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route.

4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning.

Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism
I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism[/p][/quote]I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour KA
  • Score: 8

11:22am Fri 11 Apr 14

CivicCentered says...

QwertyWerty wrote:
KA wrote:
eurogordi wrote: To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism
I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour
"Abuse". You do humour me.
I think he as just quoting the poster...

poster as in the physical poster put up in the forest... not as in forum poster. Ya get me, mush?
[quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism[/p][/quote]I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour[/p][/quote]"Abuse". You do humour me.[/p][/quote]I think he as just quoting the poster... poster as in the physical poster put up in the forest... not as in forum poster. Ya get me, mush? CivicCentered
  • Score: 0

11:23am Fri 11 Apr 14

lewissv says...

"can't we all jus' get along"
"can't we all jus' get along" lewissv
  • Score: 2

11:26am Fri 11 Apr 14

KA says...

QwertyWerty wrote:
KA wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things.

1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads.

2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour.

3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route.

4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning.

Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism
I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour
"Abuse". You do humour me.
why's that then?
[quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism[/p][/quote]I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour[/p][/quote]"Abuse". You do humour me.[/p][/quote]why's that then? KA
  • Score: 0

11:29am Fri 11 Apr 14

QwertyWerty says...

KA wrote:
QwertyWerty wrote:
KA wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things.

1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads.

2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour.

3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route.

4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning.

Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism
I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour
"Abuse". You do humour me.
why's that then?
As CivicCentered said, I think I misinterpreted what had been said... Apologies :)
[quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism[/p][/quote]I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour[/p][/quote]"Abuse". You do humour me.[/p][/quote]why's that then?[/p][/quote]As CivicCentered said, I think I misinterpreted what had been said... Apologies :) QwertyWerty
  • Score: -1

11:33am Fri 11 Apr 14

KA says...

QwertyWerty wrote:
KA wrote:
QwertyWerty wrote:
KA wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things.

1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads.

2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour.

3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route.

4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning.

Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism
I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour
"Abuse". You do humour me.
why's that then?
As CivicCentered said, I think I misinterpreted what had been said... Apologies :)
No probs :D
[quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]QwertyWerty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism[/p][/quote]I don't think warning residents of abuse to their tranquil locality has anything to do with anti social behaviour[/p][/quote]"Abuse". You do humour me.[/p][/quote]why's that then?[/p][/quote]As CivicCentered said, I think I misinterpreted what had been said... Apologies :)[/p][/quote]No probs :D KA
  • Score: -1

11:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

We have a huge cycle event over herecalled the Tour De Fjords. It is advertised well in advance with the planned route and times. All traffic is controlled by police.
Why can't it be the same in the Forest? If EVERYONE knows the times and routes they can plan ahead.

I am not a great fan of all these MAMILs (Middle Aged Men In Lycra) and was nearly forced off the road by one riding on the wrong side by Beaulieu rd stn but if organised properly (like over here) everyone gets along happily.
We have a huge cycle event over herecalled the Tour De Fjords. It is advertised well in advance with the planned route and times. All traffic is controlled by police. Why can't it be the same in the Forest? If EVERYONE knows the times and routes they can plan ahead. I am not a great fan of all these MAMILs (Middle Aged Men In Lycra) and was nearly forced off the road by one riding on the wrong side by Beaulieu rd stn but if organised properly (like over here) everyone gets along happily. Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 7

11:48am Fri 11 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

I wonder if Chris Yandell wrote the poster to keep him in a job....??????
I wonder if Chris Yandell wrote the poster to keep him in a job....?????? Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 4

11:52am Fri 11 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it.
Perhaps those who 'illuminate' a political debate with puerile misspellings of someone's name should look a little closer to home for evidence of retardation.
Do I take the abuse as meaning that you approve of the clowns who howl and throw things? Or is it just silly cheap abuse?
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps those who 'illuminate' a political debate with puerile misspellings of someone's name should look a little closer to home for evidence of retardation.[/p][/quote]Do I take the abuse as meaning that you approve of the clowns who howl and throw things? Or is it just silly cheap abuse? Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

11:53am Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

jimbobbo wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out.
Why do you pay extra to use them?
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out.[/p][/quote]Why do you pay extra to use them? StElsass
  • Score: -1

12:05pm Fri 11 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

I think the riders would be less conspicuous and more in keeping with the area if they all wore wellington boots..
I think the riders would be less conspicuous and more in keeping with the area if they all wore wellington boots.. good-gosh
  • Score: 13

12:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

StElsass says...

StElsass wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out.
Why do you pay extra to use them?
I assume that the thumbs down are from those who will be participating. This is a genuine question. I do not understand why you would want to pay to cycle in the NF with 2,000 people when you can do it for free with a group of friends.
I must admit, it seems like good business, though, for the organisers...
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out.[/p][/quote]Why do you pay extra to use them?[/p][/quote]I assume that the thumbs down are from those who will be participating. This is a genuine question. I do not understand why you would want to pay to cycle in the NF with 2,000 people when you can do it for free with a group of friends. I must admit, it seems like good business, though, for the organisers... StElsass
  • Score: 5

12:19pm Fri 11 Apr 14

GoonerEIE says...

eurogordi wrote:
To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things.

1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads.

2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour.

3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route.

4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning.

Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism
Many of the cyclists taking part in this event will be local people who like myself pay my council tax to NFDC & will ride to the start & not create pollution unlike the car drivers who dive through the forest.

Of those that dont live locally many will stay in hotels, guest houses & on camp sites which will put money into the local economy & at a time of the year when the forest is not full of the usual tourists.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: To those cyclists that will be taking part in Wiggle this weekend, please can I point out several things. 1. Locals are not against cyclists, but are concerned about the impact of mass cycling events on forest roads. 2. I see nothing in the poster that causes offence as it simply asks locals to notify the authorities of what could be seen as anti-social behaviour. 3. I would question if the event adds to the local economy, as the majority of cyclists will not be stopping in the towns and villages en-route. 4. Last year I encountered some very rude and abusive Wiggle cyclists and am now dreading my drive across the forest on Sunday morning. Needless to say, if I encounter anything unpleasant again this year I will certainly be notifying the relevant powers ... and I can assure you that has nothing to do with NIMBYism[/p][/quote]Many of the cyclists taking part in this event will be local people who like myself pay my council tax to NFDC & will ride to the start & not create pollution unlike the car drivers who dive through the forest. Of those that dont live locally many will stay in hotels, guest houses & on camp sites which will put money into the local economy & at a time of the year when the forest is not full of the usual tourists. GoonerEIE
  • Score: 5

12:42pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

I'd just like to add that cycling is good, and cyclists are good. Also, motorists are bad and cars are bad. Then again, cyclists are bad and cycling is bad. But motorists and cars are good.

This is all false right wing propaganda a socialist government wouldnt do this. Tories are to blame. But they inherited the cyclists from labour who are also to blame. It was probably taxi drivers. Or students.

Can we have an ice rink now?

There. Shouldn't be any further need for anyone to comment, I've covered everything.
I'd just like to add that cycling is good, and cyclists are good. Also, motorists are bad and cars are bad. Then again, cyclists are bad and cycling is bad. But motorists and cars are good. This is all false right wing propaganda a socialist government wouldnt do this. Tories are to blame. But they inherited the cyclists from labour who are also to blame. It was probably taxi drivers. Or students. Can we have an ice rink now? There. Shouldn't be any further need for anyone to comment, I've covered everything. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 18

12:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

RomseyKeith says...

It is a local place, for local people... lol.
It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)!

It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.
It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint. RomseyKeith
  • Score: 12

12:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Brite Spark says...

I'm furious.
These posters are ficticious and disgraceful.
I'm furious. These posters are ficticious and disgraceful. Brite Spark
  • Score: -6

12:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

Richard of Wantage wrote:
chimneysweep 1234 wrote:
Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly
Spring is in the air, so it must be that time of year when the anti-cycle trolls come out to play!
You should read mate I'm. Not against bikes but mass fools who hog road for miles
[quote][p][bold]Richard of Wantage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chimneysweep 1234[/bold] wrote: Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly[/p][/quote]Spring is in the air, so it must be that time of year when the anti-cycle trolls come out to play![/p][/quote]You should read mate I'm. Not against bikes but mass fools who hog road for miles chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: 10

1:03pm Fri 11 Apr 14

userds5050 says...

chimneysweep 1234 wrote:
Richard of Wantage wrote:
chimneysweep 1234 wrote:
Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly
Spring is in the air, so it must be that time of year when the anti-cycle trolls come out to play!
You should read mate I'm. Not against bikes but mass fools who hog road for miles
See earlier point about NIMBY and troll ceasing to have any meaning or relevance due to their frequent misuse.
[quote][p][bold]chimneysweep 1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard of Wantage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chimneysweep 1234[/bold] wrote: Those bikers are a menice on the forest ...They hog the whole road for miles and miles and miles and there rude they ride 5 abreast get rid of these mass events ...I have no problems with cycling just these mass events not organised properly[/p][/quote]Spring is in the air, so it must be that time of year when the anti-cycle trolls come out to play![/p][/quote]You should read mate I'm. Not against bikes but mass fools who hog road for miles[/p][/quote]See earlier point about NIMBY and troll ceasing to have any meaning or relevance due to their frequent misuse. userds5050
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

westhantsboy says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
We have a huge cycle event over herecalled the Tour De Fjords. It is advertised well in advance with the planned route and times. All traffic is controlled by police.
Why can't it be the same in the Forest? If EVERYONE knows the times and routes they can plan ahead.

I am not a great fan of all these MAMILs (Middle Aged Men In Lycra) and was nearly forced off the road by one riding on the wrong side by Beaulieu rd stn but if organised properly (like over here) everyone gets along happily.
Police ! They're aren't any left to do it. The ones that are left just about manage the workload they have out here. Maybe get the PCSO out of their cars to do it maybe.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: We have a huge cycle event over herecalled the Tour De Fjords. It is advertised well in advance with the planned route and times. All traffic is controlled by police. Why can't it be the same in the Forest? If EVERYONE knows the times and routes they can plan ahead. I am not a great fan of all these MAMILs (Middle Aged Men In Lycra) and was nearly forced off the road by one riding on the wrong side by Beaulieu rd stn but if organised properly (like over here) everyone gets along happily.[/p][/quote]Police ! They're aren't any left to do it. The ones that are left just about manage the workload they have out here. Maybe get the PCSO out of their cars to do it maybe. westhantsboy
  • Score: 6

1:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Dai Rear wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it.
Perhaps those who 'illuminate' a political debate with puerile misspellings of someone's name should look a little closer to home for evidence of retardation.
Do I take the abuse as meaning that you approve of the clowns who howl and throw things? Or is it just silly cheap abuse?
No, I don't indulge in abuse. It's purely a comment on the quality of your posts on the food bank story. You're clearly an intelligent and educated individual, but you let yourself down sometimes, which is a shame.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Our website designer lives in Warwickshire. He came down here for a small charity ride in the Forest with his son and found locals (presumably) howling at them and throwing things. Do we really want to give people from other parts of Britain the notion that the Forest is populated by retards, rife with incest? This nonsense needs stopping before lots of people in Warwickshire and elsewhere come to hear of it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps those who 'illuminate' a political debate with puerile misspellings of someone's name should look a little closer to home for evidence of retardation.[/p][/quote]Do I take the abuse as meaning that you approve of the clowns who howl and throw things? Or is it just silly cheap abuse?[/p][/quote]No, I don't indulge in abuse. It's purely a comment on the quality of your posts on the food bank story. You're clearly an intelligent and educated individual, but you let yourself down sometimes, which is a shame. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Torchie1 says...

RomseyKeith wrote:
It is a local place, for local people... lol.
It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)!

It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.
It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them.
[quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.[/p][/quote]It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them. Torchie1
  • Score: 4

2:35pm Fri 11 Apr 14

camerajuan says...

StElsass wrote:
StElsass wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out.
Why do you pay extra to use them?
I assume that the thumbs down are from those who will be participating. This is a genuine question. I do not understand why you would want to pay to cycle in the NF with 2,000 people when you can do it for free with a group of friends.
I must admit, it seems like good business, though, for the organisers...
I feel exactly the same about people who spend money buying tiny metal sculptures of heavily armed dwarves and elves from Games Workshop, or the people who waste their cash following talentless little dweebathons like Bieber around Europe.

The answer is very simple - when people have a passion, they'll pay to do it, even when they don't have to. They just want to. The camaraderie in these rides must be through the roof. You pay for the social factor as well as the pursuit of your hobby.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]Public roads, national park. Funded by taxes. Therefore open to all. You don't like people using the forest? I suggest you move out.[/p][/quote]Why do you pay extra to use them?[/p][/quote]I assume that the thumbs down are from those who will be participating. This is a genuine question. I do not understand why you would want to pay to cycle in the NF with 2,000 people when you can do it for free with a group of friends. I must admit, it seems like good business, though, for the organisers...[/p][/quote]I feel exactly the same about people who spend money buying tiny metal sculptures of heavily armed dwarves and elves from Games Workshop, or the people who waste their cash following talentless little dweebathons like Bieber around Europe. The answer is very simple - when people have a passion, they'll pay to do it, even when they don't have to. They just want to. The camaraderie in these rides must be through the roof. You pay for the social factor as well as the pursuit of your hobby. camerajuan
  • Score: 3

4:01pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Paul Weaver says...

Could someone report the person posting the posters so they can receive a fine for littering?

Also anyone who really understands arboriculture would know that affixing a poster to trees, shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants could damage them.

So can the person posting the posters step forward and take responsibility for the potential damage that they have done.

I am a townie from outside the New Forest but know you don't do things like this.
Could someone report the person posting the posters so they can receive a fine for littering? Also anyone who really understands arboriculture would know that affixing a poster to trees, shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants could damage them. So can the person posting the posters step forward and take responsibility for the potential damage that they have done. I am a townie from outside the New Forest but know you don't do things like this. Paul Weaver
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Fri 11 Apr 14

RomseyKeith says...

Torchie1 wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote: It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.
It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them.
I live in Romsey. It's a lovely little market town which also has several major events, such as the Carnival, Romsey Show, Food Festival, amongst several others. Each event blocks roads, sees lots of traffic chaos, etc. But it brings a greater sense of community. They're events that get people out in the open, enjoying the scenary, and contributing to the local economy. Much as the events in the New Forest do. I don't see what the issue is.
Pinning posters onto trees, littering the lovely rural villages with plastic A4 wallets and paper, is a terrible thing to do, and shows an amazing level of hypocracy.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.[/p][/quote]It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them.[/p][/quote]I live in Romsey. It's a lovely little market town which also has several major events, such as the Carnival, Romsey Show, Food Festival, amongst several others. Each event blocks roads, sees lots of traffic chaos, etc. But it brings a greater sense of community. They're events that get people out in the open, enjoying the scenary, and contributing to the local economy. Much as the events in the New Forest do. I don't see what the issue is. Pinning posters onto trees, littering the lovely rural villages with plastic A4 wallets and paper, is a terrible thing to do, and shows an amazing level of hypocracy. RomseyKeith
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote:
Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals -

https://m.flickr.com



/#/photos/downfader/



13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars?
On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available.
More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
I thought maps for it WERE published?
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]I thought maps for it WERE published? Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

4:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

mr.southampton says...

Wiggle are basically operating in a loophole. If I wanted to put on a music festival - and make a bucket load of money - up the common I'd need a licence. Why? Because the rules are there to make sure no one monopolises public space.

Because mass-participation cycling events are a fairly new thing in this part of the world they've managed to escape from this kind of regulation.

Let me get this straight. the cyclists have a right to ride and the residents have a right to go about their business without a huge amount of disruption.

It seems to me though that there needs to be some regulation involved, where say events over 500 participants need to be licensed and for, say, 10 licences a year.

If this is don through local authorities organisers will be held accountable for any issues like anti-social behaviour, or rubbish and residents would get their chance to have a say on routes.

Lets not forget that ultimately Wiggle are a business and they're making a lot of money out of this, piggybacking on the existing infrastructure.
Wiggle are basically operating in a loophole. If I wanted to put on a music festival - and make a bucket load of money - up the common I'd need a licence. Why? Because the rules are there to make sure no one monopolises public space. Because mass-participation cycling events are a fairly new thing in this part of the world they've managed to escape from this kind of regulation. Let me get this straight. the cyclists have a right to ride and the residents have a right to go about their business without a huge amount of disruption. It seems to me though that there needs to be some regulation involved, where say events over 500 participants need to be licensed and for, say, 10 licences a year. If this is don through local authorities organisers will be held accountable for any issues like anti-social behaviour, or rubbish and residents would get their chance to have a say on routes. Lets not forget that ultimately Wiggle are a business and they're making a lot of money out of this, piggybacking on the existing infrastructure. mr.southampton
  • Score: 5

4:51pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Zexagon wrote:
Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)
Actually, I was getting ready to attend the last day of some training I've been doing in preperation for a job I might be getting with the council.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: Juan and Ginger must still be in bed ( not together......then again)[/p][/quote]Actually, I was getting ready to attend the last day of some training I've been doing in preperation for a job I might be getting with the council. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -3

5:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Graeme Harrison says...

RomseyKeith wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote: It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.
It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them.
I live in Romsey. It's a lovely little market town which also has several major events, such as the Carnival, Romsey Show, Food Festival, amongst several others. Each event blocks roads, sees lots of traffic chaos, etc. But it brings a greater sense of community. They're events that get people out in the open, enjoying the scenary, and contributing to the local economy. Much as the events in the New Forest do. I don't see what the issue is.
Pinning posters onto trees, littering the lovely rural villages with plastic A4 wallets and paper, is a terrible thing to do, and shows an amazing level of hypocracy.
hypocracy - the false profession of desirable or publicly approved qualities, beliefs, or feelings, esp. a pretense of having virtues, moral principles, or religious beliefs that one does not really possess.

Putting up posters that say, 'We don't want cyclists here,' isn't hypocracy but putting up posters that say, 'We don't want people to put up posters,' would be.
[quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.[/p][/quote]It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them.[/p][/quote]I live in Romsey. It's a lovely little market town which also has several major events, such as the Carnival, Romsey Show, Food Festival, amongst several others. Each event blocks roads, sees lots of traffic chaos, etc. But it brings a greater sense of community. They're events that get people out in the open, enjoying the scenary, and contributing to the local economy. Much as the events in the New Forest do. I don't see what the issue is. Pinning posters onto trees, littering the lovely rural villages with plastic A4 wallets and paper, is a terrible thing to do, and shows an amazing level of hypocracy.[/p][/quote]hypocracy - the false profession of desirable or publicly approved qualities, beliefs, or feelings, esp. a pretense of having virtues, moral principles, or religious beliefs that one does not really possess. Putting up posters that say, 'We don't want cyclists here,' isn't hypocracy but putting up posters that say, 'We don't want people to put up posters,' would be. Graeme Harrison
  • Score: 2

6:06pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
I'd just like to add that cycling is good, and cyclists are good. Also, motorists are bad and cars are bad. Then again, cyclists are bad and cycling is bad. But motorists and cars are good.

This is all false right wing propaganda a socialist government wouldnt do this. Tories are to blame. But they inherited the cyclists from labour who are also to blame. It was probably taxi drivers. Or students.

Can we have an ice rink now?

There. Shouldn't be any further need for anyone to comment, I've covered everything.
Almost...can I fill in a couple of gaps? Immigrants - don't leave them out. They come here and steal our benefits but then they get go and get jobs and pay taxes and employ people and...oh, it's just all so darned complicated. It probably wouldn't be if only our brains weren't affected by all the fluoride, or a lack of it, I'm not sure which but it's got to be one or the other because I read it on the internet.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: I'd just like to add that cycling is good, and cyclists are good. Also, motorists are bad and cars are bad. Then again, cyclists are bad and cycling is bad. But motorists and cars are good. This is all false right wing propaganda a socialist government wouldnt do this. Tories are to blame. But they inherited the cyclists from labour who are also to blame. It was probably taxi drivers. Or students. Can we have an ice rink now? There. Shouldn't be any further need for anyone to comment, I've covered everything.[/p][/quote]Almost...can I fill in a couple of gaps? Immigrants - don't leave them out. They come here and steal our benefits but then they get go and get jobs and pay taxes and employ people and...oh, it's just all so darned complicated. It probably wouldn't be if only our brains weren't affected by all the fluoride, or a lack of it, I'm not sure which but it's got to be one or the other because I read it on the internet. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 8

6:08pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
RomseyKeith wrote: It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.
It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them.
I live in Romsey. It's a lovely little market town which also has several major events, such as the Carnival, Romsey Show, Food Festival, amongst several others. Each event blocks roads, sees lots of traffic chaos, etc. But it brings a greater sense of community. They're events that get people out in the open, enjoying the scenary, and contributing to the local economy. Much as the events in the New Forest do. I don't see what the issue is.
Pinning posters onto trees, littering the lovely rural villages with plastic A4 wallets and paper, is a terrible thing to do, and shows an amazing level of hypocracy.
hypocracy - the false profession of desirable or publicly approved qualities, beliefs, or feelings, esp. a pretense of having virtues, moral principles, or religious beliefs that one does not really possess.

Putting up posters that say, 'We don't want cyclists here,' isn't hypocracy but putting up posters that say, 'We don't want people to put up posters,' would be.
What's hypocrisy then?
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RomseyKeith[/bold] wrote: It is a local place, for local people... lol. It's like they want the Forest to become Deliverance county (squeal piggy)! It's one weekend. It feels more like snobbery and exclusivity than a genuine complaint.[/p][/quote]It's not just one weekend though is it. As Wiggle wave goodbye until their next planned New Forest event, a new event by another body that sees the forest roads as ideal for their particular entertainment is being set up. Try looking at the forest as a whole with Lyndhurst successfully banning HGVs and forcing them on to the minor roads to avoid the town which has suffered from poor air quality for years. The railway gates in Brockenhurst are down for forty minutes in the hour which blocks off another main road in the area. Add the Auto-Jumble (largest event of its kind in the world), the New Forest Show (three days) plus every other event that takes place over 'only one weekend', the movement of large low loaders carrying massive boats to Lymington and you may begin to understand the picture. Each and every event organiser only ever look at the chaos caused by their event but the local population has to suffer each and every one of them.[/p][/quote]I live in Romsey. It's a lovely little market town which also has several major events, such as the Carnival, Romsey Show, Food Festival, amongst several others. Each event blocks roads, sees lots of traffic chaos, etc. But it brings a greater sense of community. They're events that get people out in the open, enjoying the scenary, and contributing to the local economy. Much as the events in the New Forest do. I don't see what the issue is. Pinning posters onto trees, littering the lovely rural villages with plastic A4 wallets and paper, is a terrible thing to do, and shows an amazing level of hypocracy.[/p][/quote]hypocracy - the false profession of desirable or publicly approved qualities, beliefs, or feelings, esp. a pretense of having virtues, moral principles, or religious beliefs that one does not really possess. Putting up posters that say, 'We don't want cyclists here,' isn't hypocracy but putting up posters that say, 'We don't want people to put up posters,' would be.[/p][/quote]What's hypocrisy then? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Fri 11 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
[quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW! DanWeston
  • Score: -1

7:06pm Fri 11 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

Will the "infingements" that need to be reported include the muppet caught by the BBC trying to push cyclists off their bikes as reported by the BBC?

Will it include the reporting the vandals who injured my dog when he stepped on a tack at Boldre that had been strewn across the road?

These idiot protestors are a disgrace, injuring animals is unacceptable, no matter how these residents try and dress it up or justify their disgraceful cruelty to animals
Will the "infingements" that need to be reported include the muppet caught by the BBC trying to push cyclists off their bikes as reported by the BBC? Will it include the reporting the vandals who injured my dog when he stepped on a tack at Boldre that had been strewn across the road? These idiot protestors are a disgrace, injuring animals is unacceptable, no matter how these residents try and dress it up or justify their disgraceful cruelty to animals DanWeston
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

Groundhog day
Groundhog day elvisimo
  • Score: 2

7:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

southy says...

SilvanDryad wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
what happens if you don,t have a computer or excess to the interenet
[quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.[/p][/quote]what happens if you don,t have a computer or excess to the interenet southy
  • Score: -4

8:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
[quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles. good-gosh
  • Score: 5

8:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

geoff51 says...

I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace!
Where can I get a copy!?
All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.
I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace! Where can I get a copy!? All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest. geoff51
  • Score: -3

8:19pm Fri 11 Apr 14

userds5050 says...

mr.southampton wrote:
Wiggle are basically operating in a loophole. If I wanted to put on a music festival - and make a bucket load of money - up the common I'd need a licence. Why? Because the rules are there to make sure no one monopolises public space.

Because mass-participation cycling events are a fairly new thing in this part of the world they've managed to escape from this kind of regulation.

Let me get this straight. the cyclists have a right to ride and the residents have a right to go about their business without a huge amount of disruption.

It seems to me though that there needs to be some regulation involved, where say events over 500 participants need to be licensed and for, say, 10 licences a year.

If this is don through local authorities organisers will be held accountable for any issues like anti-social behaviour, or rubbish and residents would get their chance to have a say on routes.

Lets not forget that ultimately Wiggle are a business and they're making a lot of money out of this, piggybacking on the existing infrastructure.
They need a license for this, which they've got.
[quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: Wiggle are basically operating in a loophole. If I wanted to put on a music festival - and make a bucket load of money - up the common I'd need a licence. Why? Because the rules are there to make sure no one monopolises public space. Because mass-participation cycling events are a fairly new thing in this part of the world they've managed to escape from this kind of regulation. Let me get this straight. the cyclists have a right to ride and the residents have a right to go about their business without a huge amount of disruption. It seems to me though that there needs to be some regulation involved, where say events over 500 participants need to be licensed and for, say, 10 licences a year. If this is don through local authorities organisers will be held accountable for any issues like anti-social behaviour, or rubbish and residents would get their chance to have a say on routes. Lets not forget that ultimately Wiggle are a business and they're making a lot of money out of this, piggybacking on the existing infrastructure.[/p][/quote]They need a license for this, which they've got. userds5050
  • Score: -1

8:19pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace!
Where can I get a copy!?
All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.
You mean a video of the MINORITY.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace! Where can I get a copy!? All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.[/p][/quote]You mean a video of the MINORITY. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

geoff51 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace!
Where can I get a copy!?
All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.
You mean a video of the MINORITY.
Note that this video was taken by a cyclists who was disgusted and embarrased by the yobbish behaviour of many cyclists who were bringing cycling into disrepute.
Of course you would say it was a minority but multiply this by 2000 on a Wiggle race and it becomes a major problem.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace! Where can I get a copy!? All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.[/p][/quote]You mean a video of the MINORITY.[/p][/quote]Note that this video was taken by a cyclists who was disgusted and embarrased by the yobbish behaviour of many cyclists who were bringing cycling into disrepute. Of course you would say it was a minority but multiply this by 2000 on a Wiggle race and it becomes a major problem. geoff51
  • Score: -2

9:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

geoff51 wrote:
I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace!
Where can I get a copy!?
All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.
One cyclist in York shows a few cyclists being stupid (Geoff 51 notably accepts the bad driving in the same video) and then claims that this is typical of 2,000 people he neither knows or has met!


Now all we need is for him to once again explain how there are no traffic holdups at the weekends in Lyndhurst and the masses of drivers in the New Forest do not cause congestion, or any other problems, do not kill any animals and are all well behaved

Reality and Geoff51 are not in regular contact
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace! Where can I get a copy!? All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.[/p][/quote]One cyclist in York shows a few cyclists being stupid (Geoff 51 notably accepts the bad driving in the same video) and then claims that this is typical of 2,000 people he neither knows or has met! Now all we need is for him to once again explain how there are no traffic holdups at the weekends in Lyndhurst and the masses of drivers in the New Forest do not cause congestion, or any other problems, do not kill any animals and are all well behaved Reality and Geoff51 are not in regular contact DanWeston
  • Score: 1

9:27pm Fri 11 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible

All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist! DanWeston
  • Score: -1

9:42pm Fri 11 Apr 14

mike coll says...

Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination) mike coll
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

DanWeston wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible

All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist!
It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in
[quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist![/p][/quote]It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in good-gosh
  • Score: 4

11:18pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

mike coll wrote:
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Thanks for that. I'll know who to blame if I have bad dreams tonight now...
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. I'll know who to blame if I have bad dreams tonight now... WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

11:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace!
Where can I get a copy!?
All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.
You mean a video of the MINORITY.
Note that this video was taken by a cyclists who was disgusted and embarrased by the yobbish behaviour of many cyclists who were bringing cycling into disrepute.
Of course you would say it was a minority but multiply this by 2000 on a Wiggle race and it becomes a major problem.
It won't be ALL 2000 causing problems you moron, only a VERY small handful(will probably be able to count them on your fingers) will cause problems.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: I think these posters condemning the Wiggle race are a disgrace! Where can I get a copy!? All these Lycra clad idiots should watch the video taken by a CYCLIST in York of the bad road manners and downright stupidity of other cyclists to realise why no one wants 2000 of the same clogging up the New Forest.[/p][/quote]You mean a video of the MINORITY.[/p][/quote]Note that this video was taken by a cyclists who was disgusted and embarrased by the yobbish behaviour of many cyclists who were bringing cycling into disrepute. Of course you would say it was a minority but multiply this by 2000 on a Wiggle race and it becomes a major problem.[/p][/quote]It won't be ALL 2000 causing problems you moron, only a VERY small handful(will probably be able to count them on your fingers) will cause problems. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

11:25pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

mike coll wrote:
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)[/p][/quote]Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

11:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible

All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist!
It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in
So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist![/p][/quote]It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in[/p][/quote]So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

11:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mike coll wrote:
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.
Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)[/p][/quote]Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.[/p][/quote]Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

11:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

mr.southampton says...

userds5050 wrote:
mr.southampton wrote:
Wiggle are basically operating in a loophole. If I wanted to put on a music festival - and make a bucket load of money - up the common I'd need a licence. Why? Because the rules are there to make sure no one monopolises public space.

Because mass-participation cycling events are a fairly new thing in this part of the world they've managed to escape from this kind of regulation.

Let me get this straight. the cyclists have a right to ride and the residents have a right to go about their business without a huge amount of disruption.

It seems to me though that there needs to be some regulation involved, where say events over 500 participants need to be licensed and for, say, 10 licences a year.

If this is don through local authorities organisers will be held accountable for any issues like anti-social behaviour, or rubbish and residents would get their chance to have a say on routes.

Lets not forget that ultimately Wiggle are a business and they're making a lot of money out of this, piggybacking on the existing infrastructure.
They need a license for this, which they've got.
So they've got something that doesn't exist? I believe they have to notify the police, but this is just notification and not a license as such

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10341530
.MP_calls_for_curb_o
n_Forest_cycle_event
s/
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: Wiggle are basically operating in a loophole. If I wanted to put on a music festival - and make a bucket load of money - up the common I'd need a licence. Why? Because the rules are there to make sure no one monopolises public space. Because mass-participation cycling events are a fairly new thing in this part of the world they've managed to escape from this kind of regulation. Let me get this straight. the cyclists have a right to ride and the residents have a right to go about their business without a huge amount of disruption. It seems to me though that there needs to be some regulation involved, where say events over 500 participants need to be licensed and for, say, 10 licences a year. If this is don through local authorities organisers will be held accountable for any issues like anti-social behaviour, or rubbish and residents would get their chance to have a say on routes. Lets not forget that ultimately Wiggle are a business and they're making a lot of money out of this, piggybacking on the existing infrastructure.[/p][/quote]They need a license for this, which they've got.[/p][/quote]So they've got something that doesn't exist? I believe they have to notify the police, but this is just notification and not a license as such http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10341530 .MP_calls_for_curb_o n_Forest_cycle_event s/ mr.southampton
  • Score: 4

4:00am Sat 12 Apr 14

redsnapper says...

Poster produced by the Forest Rednecks and Nimby alliance.
Poster produced by the Forest Rednecks and Nimby alliance. redsnapper
  • Score: 0

7:24am Sat 12 Apr 14

Forest Resident says...

This handful of angry bigoted anti cycling NIMBYs need not be argued with, Cllr Ann Sevier's erratic behaviour and irrational attitudes were evident for all to see and hear on BBC news yesterday, her claims have absolutely no credence and are based solely on anecdote. The facts quite clearly support cycling as a non disruptive, healthy, and environmentally friendly activity on New Forest roads. I hope that everyone participating this weekend has a fantastic time, the weather is absolutely perfect for it.
This handful of angry bigoted anti cycling NIMBYs need not be argued with, Cllr Ann Sevier's erratic behaviour and irrational attitudes were evident for all to see and hear on BBC news yesterday, her claims have absolutely no credence and are based solely on anecdote. The facts quite clearly support cycling as a non disruptive, healthy, and environmentally friendly activity on New Forest roads. I hope that everyone participating this weekend has a fantastic time, the weather is absolutely perfect for it. Forest Resident
  • Score: 2

7:27am Sat 12 Apr 14

SouthamptonBoy65 says...

Ash_69 wrote:
2,000 over 2 days and over different courses depending on which route is taken.

Mind you the NFEA would have you believe it is double that number and give the impression it is one huge peleton as seen on the TDF.

We could always count the number of other vehicle movements say going into Lymington or Lyndhurst. Home many cars drive through Burley getting cross at the people daring to be in the road there?

The forest is for all, not just for horse riding & hunting any more.

Why does someone else's enjoyment spoil your own fun? Time to live for yourself for once I think.
If by TDF you meanTour De France then you are right, a misleading impression....we are talking over 2,00 riders here and two course routes....the maximum number in the Tour De France is 180, twenty teams of nine.
[quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: 2,000 over 2 days and over different courses depending on which route is taken. Mind you the NFEA would have you believe it is double that number and give the impression it is one huge peleton as seen on the TDF. We could always count the number of other vehicle movements say going into Lymington or Lyndhurst. Home many cars drive through Burley getting cross at the people daring to be in the road there? The forest is for all, not just for horse riding & hunting any more. Why does someone else's enjoyment spoil your own fun? Time to live for yourself for once I think.[/p][/quote]If by TDF you meanTour De France then you are right, a misleading impression....we are talking over 2,00 riders here and two course routes....the maximum number in the Tour De France is 180, twenty teams of nine. SouthamptonBoy65
  • Score: 1

7:44am Sat 12 Apr 14

apm1954 says...

good god its not motorbikes, cyclist note watch out for dung on the road the local morons will make a stink about it , have a good day from a forest dweller
good god its not motorbikes, cyclist note watch out for dung on the road the local morons will make a stink about it , have a good day from a forest dweller apm1954
  • Score: 1

9:19am Sat 12 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

SouthamptonBoy65 wrote:
Ash_69 wrote:
2,000 over 2 days and over different courses depending on which route is taken.

Mind you the NFEA would have you believe it is double that number and give the impression it is one huge peleton as seen on the TDF.

We could always count the number of other vehicle movements say going into Lymington or Lyndhurst. Home many cars drive through Burley getting cross at the people daring to be in the road there?

The forest is for all, not just for horse riding & hunting any more.

Why does someone else's enjoyment spoil your own fun? Time to live for yourself for once I think.
If by TDF you meanTour De France then you are right, a misleading impression....we are talking over 2,00 riders here and two course routes....the maximum number in the Tour De France is 180, twenty teams of nine.
....and over a thousand support vehicles, advertising units, film crews, support workers and the likes

Tae "caravanne" alone constitute a 20 km train of vehicles taking over 40 minutes to pass.

One company alone distributed 32 tons of items includinggave out 170,000 caps, 80,000 badges, 60,000 plastic bags and 535,000 copies of its race newspapers

So hardly any form of comparison with Wiggle's ride at al
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonBoy65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: 2,000 over 2 days and over different courses depending on which route is taken. Mind you the NFEA would have you believe it is double that number and give the impression it is one huge peleton as seen on the TDF. We could always count the number of other vehicle movements say going into Lymington or Lyndhurst. Home many cars drive through Burley getting cross at the people daring to be in the road there? The forest is for all, not just for horse riding & hunting any more. Why does someone else's enjoyment spoil your own fun? Time to live for yourself for once I think.[/p][/quote]If by TDF you meanTour De France then you are right, a misleading impression....we are talking over 2,00 riders here and two course routes....the maximum number in the Tour De France is 180, twenty teams of nine.[/p][/quote]....and over a thousand support vehicles, advertising units, film crews, support workers and the likes Tae "caravanne" alone constitute a 20 km train of vehicles taking over 40 minutes to pass. One company alone distributed 32 tons of items includinggave out 170,000 caps, 80,000 badges, 60,000 plastic bags and 535,000 copies of its race newspapers So hardly any form of comparison with Wiggle's ride at al DanWeston
  • Score: -4

9:22am Sat 12 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible

All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist!
It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in
So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.
Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist![/p][/quote]It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in[/p][/quote]So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.[/p][/quote]Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy DanWeston
  • Score: 1

9:23am Sat 12 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

So who cares.Couple of dozen pro and anti cycling people chucking abuse back and forth on this local site.When the forest suffers or the anti-event residents get their act together they'll cut down on the events.This column is about personalities not cycling or the New Forest.
So who cares.Couple of dozen pro and anti cycling people chucking abuse back and forth on this local site.When the forest suffers or the anti-event residents get their act together they'll cut down on the events.This column is about personalities not cycling or the New Forest. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -4

9:45am Sat 12 Apr 14

forest hump says...

Who saw the cycling public information film on Top Gear? Hilarious.
Who saw the cycling public information film on Top Gear? Hilarious. forest hump
  • Score: 0

9:47am Sat 12 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

DanWeston wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible

All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist!
It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in
So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.
Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy
Ha Ha. I relax in traffic jams – its peaceful – I can catch up on my roadside flowers or watch animal shapes dissolve in the clouds. Can't do that in the midst of hundreds of wobbling bodies and skinny whirring legs – it’s alarming. If you ask me, strenuous exercise should be kept well away from the public gaze, among consenting adults only.
[quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist![/p][/quote]It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in[/p][/quote]So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.[/p][/quote]Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy[/p][/quote]Ha Ha. I relax in traffic jams – its peaceful – I can catch up on my roadside flowers or watch animal shapes dissolve in the clouds. Can't do that in the midst of hundreds of wobbling bodies and skinny whirring legs – it’s alarming. If you ask me, strenuous exercise should be kept well away from the public gaze, among consenting adults only. good-gosh
  • Score: 4

10:00am Sat 12 Apr 14

mike coll says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mike coll wrote:
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.
Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.
Ginger,

Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training?
I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)[/p][/quote]Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.[/p][/quote]Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]Ginger, Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training? I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind. mike coll
  • Score: -3

10:08am Sat 12 Apr 14

megabyte376 says...

It's only once a year and I wish I could live in an area with peace and quiet at weekends and not have to listen to a constant stream of cars cruising up and down. Shame they don't do something like this in London.
It's only once a year and I wish I could live in an area with peace and quiet at weekends and not have to listen to a constant stream of cars cruising up and down. Shame they don't do something like this in London. megabyte376
  • Score: 0

10:20am Sat 12 Apr 14

Torchie1 says...

mike coll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mike coll wrote:
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.
Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.
Ginger,

Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training?
I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind.
There are a number of factors to take in to consideration when calculating the number of head of cattle per hectare to prevent overgrazing but how do you work out the stock density of 'hectors' per hectare?
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)[/p][/quote]Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.[/p][/quote]Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]Ginger, Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training? I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind.[/p][/quote]There are a number of factors to take in to consideration when calculating the number of head of cattle per hectare to prevent overgrazing but how do you work out the stock density of 'hectors' per hectare? Torchie1
  • Score: 2

11:01am Sat 12 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight? Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -5

2:40pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

DanWeston wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible

All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist!
It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in
So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.
Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy
I know, it's fun to watch them flounder when that fantasy is ripped apart though.
[quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist![/p][/quote]It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in[/p][/quote]So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.[/p][/quote]Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy[/p][/quote]I know, it's fun to watch them flounder when that fantasy is ripped apart though. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

2:43pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
newforestbloke wrote:
jimbobbo wrote:
This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.
no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post.

Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey.

In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!!
SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show?


Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance.

Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety

Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show


CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW!
Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.
Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible

All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist!
It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in
So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.
Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy
Ha Ha. I relax in traffic jams – its peaceful – I can catch up on my roadside flowers or watch animal shapes dissolve in the clouds. Can't do that in the midst of hundreds of wobbling bodies and skinny whirring legs – it’s alarming. If you ask me, strenuous exercise should be kept well away from the public gaze, among consenting adults only.
But cycling is NOT strenuous excercise, not unless you ride for speed or endurance.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newforestbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: This makes me furious. It's a free country and the Wiggle cycling event harms no-one. If you don't like it I suggest you move to a different area. **** idiots.[/p][/quote]no wonder these events are unpopular with the likes of this post. Its the repeted disruption nearly every weekend by some event , a few weeks sgo amarathon which states on its site that the course is open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads participants are responsibe for their own saftey. In fact, attempts weremade to close an access road during the event and like this post, anyone daring to hold analternative viewpoit to theirs is met with a barrage of abuse. You the are so, so suprised that somehow...wait for it....residents are unfriendly!![/p][/quote]SO can we look forward to the banning of the New Forest Show? Absolute mayhem, roads clogged for miles in every direction and not a single Marshall or organiser in attendance. Apparently the access roads to the show are open to the public and marsals have no right to control them, likewise when crossing or using roads show attendees are responsible for their own safety Then we have the use of the grass verges as toilets by the vehicle occupants queuing for the show CLOSE DOWN THE NEW FOREST SHOW![/p][/quote]Nobody minds the Show – there's no stream of cycles.[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing that out..... so you accept the use of verges as toilets, unregulated traffic flow, inconvenience long traffic queues and roads made totally impassible All this behaviour and inconvenience is absolutely fine so long as it is perpetrated by a motorist![/p][/quote]It’s a great show and worth the sitting in a traffic queue – just turn up Classic FM, light a cigar, tell the wife she's beautiful and she pays to get in[/p][/quote]So you'll happily sit in traffic caused by other motorists for hours without complaint but you'll kick up a stink if you have to wait a comparatively short time to be able to pass some cyclists? Hypocracy at it's finest.[/p][/quote]Yep that really sums up the whole thing... a group of nimby locals willing to inflict injury on animals and other people to support a campaign based on fantasy and hypocrisy[/p][/quote]Ha Ha. I relax in traffic jams – its peaceful – I can catch up on my roadside flowers or watch animal shapes dissolve in the clouds. Can't do that in the midst of hundreds of wobbling bodies and skinny whirring legs – it’s alarming. If you ask me, strenuous exercise should be kept well away from the public gaze, among consenting adults only.[/p][/quote]But cycling is NOT strenuous excercise, not unless you ride for speed or endurance. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 3

2:49pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

mike coll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mike coll wrote:
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.
Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.
Ginger,

Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training?
I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind.
Nah, I have a driving licence so I might end up on the mowers more than anything else.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)[/p][/quote]Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.[/p][/quote]Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]Ginger, Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training? I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind.[/p][/quote]Nah, I have a driving licence so I might end up on the mowers more than anything else. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

6:33pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Baybrit says...

Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.
Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities. Baybrit
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then? Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -4

6:56pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Baybrit wrote:
Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.
Motorists have the exact same attitude, funnily enough, so do pedestrians who step out into the road without looking and then blame someone else when they get hurt.
[quote][p][bold]Baybrit[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.[/p][/quote]Motorists have the exact same attitude, funnily enough, so do pedestrians who step out into the road without looking and then blame someone else when they get hurt. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

9:46pm Sat 12 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

Baybrit wrote:
Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.
... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate"

The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy......

98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas

Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable.

As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective.

Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement?

Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office
@nfdc.gov.uk
[quote][p][bold]Baybrit[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.[/p][/quote]... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate" The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy...... 98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable. As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective. Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement? Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office @nfdc.gov.uk DanWeston
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

DanWeston wrote:
Baybrit wrote:
Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.
... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate"

The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy......

98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas

Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable.

As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective.

Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement?

Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office

@nfdc.gov.uk
Ooh, they'd have a field day in Sholing and Thornhill.
[quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baybrit[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.[/p][/quote]... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate" The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy...... 98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable. As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective. Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement? Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office @nfdc.gov.uk[/p][/quote]Ooh, they'd have a field day in Sholing and Thornhill. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

9:52pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -5

10:14pm Sat 12 Apr 14

geoff51 says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
He already does shout at lamposts as they dare to be on the pavement where most cyclists are found.
What you have to remember with little people like Ginger that they thrive on attention like little children, the more attention they get the more they enjoy it.
The best thing to do with him is the same as with children, that is to ignore them and then they shut up and go back to playing with themselves, sorry I meant their toys.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]He already does shout at lamposts as they dare to be on the pavement where most cyclists are found. What you have to remember with little people like Ginger that they thrive on attention like little children, the more attention they get the more they enjoy it. The best thing to do with him is the same as with children, that is to ignore them and then they shut up and go back to playing with themselves, sorry I meant their toys. geoff51
  • Score: -3

10:15pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
Actually, yes, you do see MILLIONS of people the world over, running cameras while driving and cycling, a most notable example is Russia where almost every single vehicle is now fitted with a dash cam, most companies in the UK also fit dash cams to their vehicles now, dash cams on commercial vehicles has been a common practice in many countries for YEARS, it's been common place in police cars for even longer too, it probably won't even be very long before new vehicles are legally required to be fitted with at least a forward facing camera from the factory and that would also be when strict liability on the roads is implemented which would really be no different to the Health and Safety at Work Act except that instead of being in the work place, it's on the roads and it's less vulnerable road user(which could be a cyclist if in collision with a pedestrian) and more vulnerable road user(which could be another motorist depending on vehicle sizes) rather than employer and employee where the less vulnerable would take on the liability, like an employer would under the Health and Safety at Work Act, unless they can demonstrate that they took appropriate measures to avoid an incident and thus making the othe person liable, like what would happen if an employer took appropriate measures to prevent employees from being injured, which under the HSW Act would make the employee liable.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]Actually, yes, you do see MILLIONS of people the world over, running cameras while driving and cycling, a most notable example is Russia where almost every single vehicle is now fitted with a dash cam, most companies in the UK also fit dash cams to their vehicles now, dash cams on commercial vehicles has been a common practice in many countries for YEARS, it's been common place in police cars for even longer too, it probably won't even be very long before new vehicles are legally required to be fitted with at least a forward facing camera from the factory and that would also be when strict liability on the roads is implemented which would really be no different to the Health and Safety at Work Act except that instead of being in the work place, it's on the roads and it's less vulnerable road user(which could be a cyclist if in collision with a pedestrian) and more vulnerable road user(which could be another motorist depending on vehicle sizes) rather than employer and employee where the less vulnerable would take on the liability, like an employer would under the Health and Safety at Work Act, unless they can demonstrate that they took appropriate measures to avoid an incident and thus making the othe person liable, like what would happen if an employer took appropriate measures to prevent employees from being injured, which under the HSW Act would make the employee liable. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
He already does shout at lamposts as they dare to be on the pavement where most cyclists are found.
What you have to remember with little people like Ginger that they thrive on attention like little children, the more attention they get the more they enjoy it.
The best thing to do with him is the same as with children, that is to ignore them and then they shut up and go back to playing with themselves, sorry I meant their toys.
Most cyclists, like myself are found on the road and not even attempting to use most of the cycling farcilities in the city.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]He already does shout at lamposts as they dare to be on the pavement where most cyclists are found. What you have to remember with little people like Ginger that they thrive on attention like little children, the more attention they get the more they enjoy it. The best thing to do with him is the same as with children, that is to ignore them and then they shut up and go back to playing with themselves, sorry I meant their toys.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists, like myself are found on the road and not even attempting to use most of the cycling farcilities in the city. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

11:06pm Sat 12 Apr 14

mike coll says...

Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work.
And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages.
ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.
Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work. And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages. ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge. mike coll
  • Score: -3

11:10pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

mike coll wrote:
Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work.
And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages.
ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.
What? When did this page turn into a playground with your childish language? Also, I won't be here sometime around the end of May, I'll be up in London having a good time with all my friends.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work. And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages. ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.[/p][/quote]What? When did this page turn into a playground with your childish language? Also, I won't be here sometime around the end of May, I'll be up in London having a good time with all my friends. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

12:06am Sun 13 Apr 14

Dr Martin says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language Dr Martin
  • Score: 3

12:19am Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
Not to mention all those fancy phones with cameras on them everywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language[/p][/quote]Not to mention all those fancy phones with cameras on them everywhere. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

12:30am Sun 13 Apr 14

Dr Martin says...

mike coll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mike coll wrote:
Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are,
1 Bike lane inspector,
2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate,
3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)
Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.
Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.
Ginger,

Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training?
I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind.
"he manages my two hectors very well"

The questions I am thinking are how does he manage them?and how old are these hectors?
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Yesss, Ginger is back and he might be working for your local council (but he needs training first) the short list for his potential jobs are, 1 Bike lane inspector, 2, Ginger hair inspector around Bargate, 3, Helmet inspector (use your own imagination)[/p][/quote]Grounds Maintenance actually... Smart arse.[/p][/quote]Though most cycle paths and lanes in the city should be condemmed for not being fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]Ginger, Does your future job (potential, maybe, possible) job in park work include picking up dog poo? How are your poop scooping skills, was this the focus of your special training? I understood that Soton council had no money what so ever and thousands of staff had gone over the last five ish years, Perhaps your focus may be better trying to help those who need help, the disabled, old etc or even helping to maintain the roads etc to make your city a better place, No my city any more, but if you do need a gardening job I do employ a gardener, a delightful old Swiss chap, he manages my two hectors very well. To be honest I could not get you a Swiss work permit. Nevermind.[/p][/quote]"he manages my two hectors very well" The questions I am thinking are how does he manage them?and how old are these hectors? Dr Martin
  • Score: 2

12:44am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mike coll wrote:
Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work.
And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages.
ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.
What? When did this page turn into a playground with your childish language? Also, I won't be here sometime around the end of May, I'll be up in London having a good time with all my friends.
You have.........friends
?Now you really are in fantasy land, Ginger boy!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work. And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages. ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.[/p][/quote]What? When did this page turn into a playground with your childish language? Also, I won't be here sometime around the end of May, I'll be up in London having a good time with all my friends.[/p][/quote]You have.........friends ?Now you really are in fantasy land, Ginger boy! Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -3

12:46am Sun 13 Apr 14

Dr Martin says...

mike coll wrote:
Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work.
And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages.
ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.
I really dislike people who try and tell other people to shut up, are you the administrator?, and how do you know the tax payers do not want to pay his wages?
If you have an issue with a post then report it using the link below on the right
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work. And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages. ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.[/p][/quote]I really dislike people who try and tell other people to shut up, are you the administrator?, and how do you know the tax payers do not want to pay his wages? If you have an issue with a post then report it using the link below on the right Dr Martin
  • Score: 3

12:47am Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mike coll wrote:
Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work.
And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages.
ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.
What? When did this page turn into a playground with your childish language? Also, I won't be here sometime around the end of May, I'll be up in London having a good time with all my friends.
You have.........friends

?Now you really are in fantasy land, Ginger boy!
No, I have many friends, from all over the country, mostly in the south though.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: Ho My God ginger, give it a rest, anybody would think you are a nutter, ? Stop posting and focus on looking for work. And the tax payers of soton do not want to pay your wages. ME, im off for a twisted performance Land Rover 90, I will be in soton at the end of May, you keep cycling for my carbon capture good boy, bless all ginge.[/p][/quote]What? When did this page turn into a playground with your childish language? Also, I won't be here sometime around the end of May, I'll be up in London having a good time with all my friends.[/p][/quote]You have.........friends ?Now you really are in fantasy land, Ginger boy![/p][/quote]No, I have many friends, from all over the country, mostly in the south though. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

12:47am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language[/p][/quote]Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right? Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -3

12:52am Sun 13 Apr 14

Dr Martin says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?
Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language[/p][/quote]Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?[/p][/quote]Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid Dr Martin
  • Score: 2

1:17am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?
Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid
Ah, the logic of the simple mind!

You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it.

The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory.

Lots of love. Jayne388
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language[/p][/quote]Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?[/p][/quote]Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid[/p][/quote]Ah, the logic of the simple mind! You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it. The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory. Lots of love. Jayne388 Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -3

1:22am Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?
Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid
Ah, the logic of the simple mind!

You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it.

The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory.

Lots of love. Jayne388
Debating on the internet isn't illegal either Jayne.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language[/p][/quote]Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?[/p][/quote]Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid[/p][/quote]Ah, the logic of the simple mind! You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it. The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory. Lots of love. Jayne388[/p][/quote]Debating on the internet isn't illegal either Jayne. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 3

1:44am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?
Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid
Ah, the logic of the simple mind!

You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it.

The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory.

Lots of love. Jayne388
Debating on the internet isn't illegal either Jayne.
I know. But couldn't you just give way a little sometimes? You just bang away, oppose, oppose, oppose, and not a single soul agrees with you or supports you. I don't know whether the Echo team can see what you're up to or not. But it is a bit sickening to see you and Downfader getting away with it while my friends and I keep getting banned for challenging you and your colleagues. Obviously you have some "inside" support, or maybe you're playing on your Aspergers thing. Fair it just is not.

We deserve to have a voice. We do not deserve to be bullied out of existence by you and your Echo friends. Your downfall will come eventually. We can wait.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language[/p][/quote]Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?[/p][/quote]Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid[/p][/quote]Ah, the logic of the simple mind! You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it. The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory. Lots of love. Jayne388[/p][/quote]Debating on the internet isn't illegal either Jayne.[/p][/quote]I know. But couldn't you just give way a little sometimes? You just bang away, oppose, oppose, oppose, and not a single soul agrees with you or supports you. I don't know whether the Echo team can see what you're up to or not. But it is a bit sickening to see you and Downfader getting away with it while my friends and I keep getting banned for challenging you and your colleagues. Obviously you have some "inside" support, or maybe you're playing on your Aspergers thing. Fair it just is not. We deserve to have a voice. We do not deserve to be bullied out of existence by you and your Echo friends. Your downfall will come eventually. We can wait. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -3

1:52am Sun 13 Apr 14

Dr Martin says...

I am not Downfader!
I am not Downfader! Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

1:53am Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference.
It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language
Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?
Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid
Ah, the logic of the simple mind!

You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it.

The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory.

Lots of love. Jayne388
Debating on the internet isn't illegal either Jayne.
I know. But couldn't you just give way a little sometimes? You just bang away, oppose, oppose, oppose, and not a single soul agrees with you or supports you. I don't know whether the Echo team can see what you're up to or not. But it is a bit sickening to see you and Downfader getting away with it while my friends and I keep getting banned for challenging you and your colleagues. Obviously you have some "inside" support, or maybe you're playing on your Aspergers thing. Fair it just is not.

We deserve to have a voice. We do not deserve to be bullied out of existence by you and your Echo friends. Your downfall will come eventually. We can wait.
I don't know anyone at the Daily Echo and unlike some people I've seen, I don't use a disability as an excuse, as for no one agreeing with me or supporting me, I have proven time and time again that such allegation are FALSE.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]It is estimated to be over 4.5 million CCTV systems in UK, and 8000 CCTV cameras on our roads, I don't think Ginger Cyclist helmet camera makes a lot of difference. It's his free right to wear one, not sure why you feel you can judge him using insulting and childish language[/p][/quote]Dr Martin. My gran says you must be somebody called Downphaser or Simmons. That right?[/p][/quote]Nope, but I am guessing you are Billy the Kid[/p][/quote]Ah, the logic of the simple mind! You have more than one critic, Downfader! Billy was just the first. I set up Mandy for my grand daughter - just a bit of fun, you know. She will be going back to Canada on Tuesday, so feel free to go squeeling to the admin staff. Eventually that slow-witted lot will realise that more than one person is perfectly entitled to use the same email/nickname, and up to 20 people are entitled to communicate from the same computer using unique nicknames if the owner wishes it. The Echo can make up as many of their own rules as they like, but it isn't law. We still hold piles of evidence of you and the others starting the abuse first, so forget the "troll victim" card. Just defending our territory. Lots of love. Jayne388[/p][/quote]Debating on the internet isn't illegal either Jayne.[/p][/quote]I know. But couldn't you just give way a little sometimes? You just bang away, oppose, oppose, oppose, and not a single soul agrees with you or supports you. I don't know whether the Echo team can see what you're up to or not. But it is a bit sickening to see you and Downfader getting away with it while my friends and I keep getting banned for challenging you and your colleagues. Obviously you have some "inside" support, or maybe you're playing on your Aspergers thing. Fair it just is not. We deserve to have a voice. We do not deserve to be bullied out of existence by you and your Echo friends. Your downfall will come eventually. We can wait.[/p][/quote]I don't know anyone at the Daily Echo and unlike some people I've seen, I don't use a disability as an excuse, as for no one agreeing with me or supporting me, I have proven time and time again that such allegation are FALSE. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

2:15am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Using denial and contradiction in an attempt to destabilise the opposition only works if the opposition is not wise to your strategy. Specifically Downfader or not is irrelevant. You are of that persuasion.

Your next strategy will be to cast doubts about the oppositions mental stability : paranoia and that sort of thing.

Your failure to give me some credit is disappointing, cowardly, and indicative of a distinct lack of class or style.
Using denial and contradiction in an attempt to destabilise the opposition only works if the opposition is not wise to your strategy. Specifically Downfader or not is irrelevant. You are of that persuasion. Your next strategy will be to cast doubts about the oppositions mental stability : paranoia and that sort of thing. Your failure to give me some credit is disappointing, cowardly, and indicative of a distinct lack of class or style. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -2

2:17am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -4

2:22am Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

5:58am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -2

9:04am Sun 13 Apr 14

Baybrit says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
Baybrit wrote:
Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.
... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate"

The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy......

98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas

Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable.

As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective.

Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement?

Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office


@nfdc.gov.uk
Ooh, they'd have a field day in Sholing and Thornhill.
I don't dispute that there are bad cyclists, bad pedestrians and bad drivers. I am just sick and tired of people like ginger_cyclist claiming that cyclists are Gods gift to the planet, incapable of any wrong and that the rest of the world should genuflect whenever one of their cult pedals into view. And, while I agree that a STATIONARY car on the pavement may be a distraction and an inconvenience , 'parking on the pavement' is hardly a valid comparison to a pedestrian being knocked to the ground by an arrogant cyclist ignoring others on the road as they race through the streets.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baybrit[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.[/p][/quote]... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate" The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy...... 98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable. As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective. Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement? Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office @nfdc.gov.uk[/p][/quote]Ooh, they'd have a field day in Sholing and Thornhill.[/p][/quote]I don't dispute that there are bad cyclists, bad pedestrians and bad drivers. I am just sick and tired of people like ginger_cyclist claiming that cyclists are Gods gift to the planet, incapable of any wrong and that the rest of the world should genuflect whenever one of their cult pedals into view. And, while I agree that a STATIONARY car on the pavement may be a distraction and an inconvenience , 'parking on the pavement' is hardly a valid comparison to a pedestrian being knocked to the ground by an arrogant cyclist ignoring others on the road as they race through the streets. Baybrit
  • Score: 4

10:31am Sun 13 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

geoff51 wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers?
Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?
No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.
Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?
It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.
Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't.

Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.
He already does shout at lamposts as they dare to be on the pavement where most cyclists are found.
What you have to remember with little people like Ginger that they thrive on attention like little children, the more attention they get the more they enjoy it.
The best thing to do with him is the same as with children, that is to ignore them and then they shut up and go back to playing with themselves, sorry I meant their toys.
Lets ignore the fact that once again your post has no basis in reality....

In a previous thread you were asked if you would support a zero tolerance policy against pavement abuse by cyclists, AND the far more dangerous use by cars

Lets try again, would you support the Police and Councils taking action against parking on pavements and fining ALL offenders
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: I been hearing about this Ginger guy on Echo comments.Is he the one with the camera goes filming car drivers? Cyclists should stick to cycling and drivers to driving.Keep out each others ways.What else is there unless your looking for a fight?[/p][/quote]No, I record my rides, even if I WAS recording other road users, it would be perfectly legal, also, I don't get in anyones way on the road, I just put my LIFE before the convenience of others but I will ride more towards the left if I feel it's safe, I'm going slower than the other road vehicles and there's enough room for people to pass me without getting too close to me or oncoming vehicles, I also tend to ride 1 meter from the curb to avoid detritis in the gutter, drains and to make it less likely that someone passes me too close, other places I will take the lane no matter what, such as when the road narrows, on dual carriageways, in bus lanes, on approach to junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, approaching blind bends, hump back bridges, at level crossings and when hitting or even exceeding(legally due to the fact that speed limits, unless stated in byelaws, only apply to motorised vehicles) the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Regards my question, I take that as a "yes" then?[/p][/quote]It's a no because my cameras are running from just before I get on my bike until I get off it therefore, I'm recording my rides.[/p][/quote]Do you see the rest of the world walking,driving,or cycling around with cameras running?The right answer is no you don't. Get help, Ginger boy, otherwise in 20 years time you'll be walking the streets, homeless, and shouting at lamp posts.[/p][/quote]He already does shout at lamposts as they dare to be on the pavement where most cyclists are found. What you have to remember with little people like Ginger that they thrive on attention like little children, the more attention they get the more they enjoy it. The best thing to do with him is the same as with children, that is to ignore them and then they shut up and go back to playing with themselves, sorry I meant their toys.[/p][/quote]Lets ignore the fact that once again your post has no basis in reality.... In a previous thread you were asked if you would support a zero tolerance policy against pavement abuse by cyclists, AND the far more dangerous use by cars Lets try again, would you support the Police and Councils taking action against parking on pavements and fining ALL offenders DanWeston
  • Score: 1

11:02am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -4

11:03am Sun 13 Apr 14

Paul Weaver says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against. Paul Weaver
  • Score: 3

11:06am Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

What I really came back to this forum for was to say :

It is quite common for some people, when diagnosed with a terminal illness, to take up rigorous exercise routines, or to consume quantities of food that are reputed to have unique, health-giving properties in one last desperate effort to beat the sickness. It is also common for others to take the opposite approach, and eat, drink and be merry while they still have time left. So, with much uncertainty regarding the future of our planet (melting ice caps, rising sea levels, extreme weather and climate change, drug-resistant diseases, over-population, pollution, dwindling resources, not to mention social unrest, war, and terrorism), the public are behaving in a similar fashion to those with terminal conditions.
Look outside : lots of people jogging round the streets, cycling, overtly eating and drinking healthily, losing weight, and constantly offering unsolicited advice on what is good for you. At the same time, there are, on the same streets, other people, drinking and smoking and eating unhealthily, behaving anti-socially, piling into cars for numerous short journeys, and generally waving two fingers at the new “Puritanism”.
In between are the silent majority who just want to live their lives quietly, minding their own business, and dealing with whatever life throws at them in the best way they know how. What they don’t want is a load of vociferous extremists pi$$ing them off with persistent redundant protests and counter-arguments.

Have the cycling events. What permanent damage can they possibly do? Let people eat, drink and do what they want so long as they don’t break the law, or openly annoy others over it. The world is the way it is because the majority want it that way.
What I really came back to this forum for was to say : It is quite common for some people, when diagnosed with a terminal illness, to take up rigorous exercise routines, or to consume quantities of food that are reputed to have unique, health-giving properties in one last desperate effort to beat the sickness. It is also common for others to take the opposite approach, and eat, drink and be merry while they still have time left. So, with much uncertainty regarding the future of our planet (melting ice caps, rising sea levels, extreme weather and climate change, drug-resistant diseases, over-population, pollution, dwindling resources, not to mention social unrest, war, and terrorism), the public are behaving in a similar fashion to those with terminal conditions. Look outside : lots of people jogging round the streets, cycling, overtly eating and drinking healthily, losing weight, and constantly offering unsolicited advice on what is good for you. At the same time, there are, on the same streets, other people, drinking and smoking and eating unhealthily, behaving anti-socially, piling into cars for numerous short journeys, and generally waving two fingers at the new “Puritanism”. In between are the silent majority who just want to live their lives quietly, minding their own business, and dealing with whatever life throws at them in the best way they know how. What they don’t want is a load of vociferous extremists pi$$ing them off with persistent redundant protests and counter-arguments. Have the cycling events. What permanent damage can they possibly do? Let people eat, drink and do what they want so long as they don’t break the law, or openly annoy others over it. The world is the way it is because the majority want it that way. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -3

12:07pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Baybrit wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
DanWeston wrote:
Baybrit wrote:
Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.
... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate"

The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy......

98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas

Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable.

As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective.

Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement?

Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office



@nfdc.gov.uk
Ooh, they'd have a field day in Sholing and Thornhill.
I don't dispute that there are bad cyclists, bad pedestrians and bad drivers. I am just sick and tired of people like ginger_cyclist claiming that cyclists are Gods gift to the planet, incapable of any wrong and that the rest of the world should genuflect whenever one of their cult pedals into view. And, while I agree that a STATIONARY car on the pavement may be a distraction and an inconvenience , 'parking on the pavement' is hardly a valid comparison to a pedestrian being knocked to the ground by an arrogant cyclist ignoring others on the road as they race through the streets.
I don't claim anything of the sort, I've said many times before that a minority of cyclists are morons on a bike and shouldn't even be let out of the house, also, how does a car get parked on the pavement? Oh, that's right, they DRIVE on the pavement which is when pedestrians get hit by them.
[quote][p][bold]Baybrit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baybrit[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, cyclists 'fury'. This holier-than-thou attitude is so hypocritical. Every time they're called out for their behaviour, they all suddenly claim to be 'Mother Theresa' on wheels. We pedestrians out there who have to dodge these people as they barrel through life without a care for others are becoming sick and tired of their 'oh everyone is out to get us', 'oh woe is us' whining. Well cyclists, obey the traffic laws, be considerate of other road users, quit with the pushy arrogance and MAYBE people might cut you some slack. Until then, we will use the law and public opinion to defend ourselves and our communities.[/p][/quote]... or just bringing an unwelcome reality to the "debate" The point is that there are bad cyclists and bad drivers, and there lies the irony and hypocrisy...... 98% of pedestrians (according to Transport for London) injured on pavements are the victims of motor vehicles and not cyclists. Yet we rarely see the same keenness to deal with illegal parking on the pavement in residential areas Now are you also sick and tired of the nutters like the Association of Bad Drivers (ABD) who bleat that enforcing illegal parking on pavements is a "Jihad against motorists" and that enforcing speed limits in rural areas is unacceptable. As I stated, lets put these things into some sort of perspective. Now do you advocate using the the law and public opinion to clamp down on illegal parking on the pavement? Next time you see a car parked on teh pavement report it....parking.office @nfdc.gov.uk[/p][/quote]Ooh, they'd have a field day in Sholing and Thornhill.[/p][/quote]I don't dispute that there are bad cyclists, bad pedestrians and bad drivers. I am just sick and tired of people like ginger_cyclist claiming that cyclists are Gods gift to the planet, incapable of any wrong and that the rest of the world should genuflect whenever one of their cult pedals into view. And, while I agree that a STATIONARY car on the pavement may be a distraction and an inconvenience , 'parking on the pavement' is hardly a valid comparison to a pedestrian being knocked to the ground by an arrogant cyclist ignoring others on the road as they race through the streets.[/p][/quote]I don't claim anything of the sort, I've said many times before that a minority of cyclists are morons on a bike and shouldn't even be let out of the house, also, how does a car get parked on the pavement? Oh, that's right, they DRIVE on the pavement which is when pedestrians get hit by them. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
[quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -3

12:27pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

12:30pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

1:04pm Sun 13 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

Having seen the chaos every weekend in the Summer, should we be posting Notices wihich reflect the reality of life here?

Do you live in or near the New Forest?

Over the next few months 12.7 million vehicles will descend on the New Forest

These vehicles will speed in large groups on our roads and through our villages

This notice is to alert New Forest residents of this abuse of our tranquil location, and warn that this influx could put members of the public at risk as they go about their daily business

If you are involved with any incident with any of these visitors, please REPORT IT to your local Parish, the Town Council and the Police

(figures from NFNPA)
Having seen the chaos every weekend in the Summer, should we be posting Notices wihich reflect the reality of life here? Do you live in or near the New Forest? Over the next few months 12.7 million vehicles will descend on the New Forest These vehicles will speed in large groups on our roads and through our villages This notice is to alert New Forest residents of this abuse of our tranquil location, and warn that this influx could put members of the public at risk as they go about their daily business If you are involved with any incident with any of these visitors, please REPORT IT to your local Parish, the Town Council and the Police (figures from NFNPA) DanWeston
  • Score: 2

1:06pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -1

1:12pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ! Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -2

1:18pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

"The amount of overlap between HFA and Asperger syndrome is disputed. While most researchers agree that the two are distinct diagnostic entities, others argue that they are indistinguishable. Alternatively, the term high-functioning autism may be used by some researchers to refer to all autism spectrum disorders deemed to be cognitively higher functioning, including Asperger syndrome, especially in light of the removal of Asperger syndrome as a separate diagnostic from DSM-5."
Quoted from Wikipedia.
"The amount of overlap between HFA and Asperger syndrome is disputed. While most researchers agree that the two are distinct diagnostic entities, others argue that they are indistinguishable. Alternatively, the term high-functioning autism may be used by some researchers to refer to all autism spectrum disorders deemed to be cognitively higher functioning, including Asperger syndrome, especially in light of the removal of Asperger syndrome as a separate diagnostic from DSM-5." Quoted from Wikipedia. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -2

1:19pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.[/p][/quote]Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

1:33pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ! Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -2

1:35pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.
No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.[/p][/quote]Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.[/p][/quote]No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -1

1:35pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

1:37pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.
No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.
Police have seen them and agreed with me.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.[/p][/quote]Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.[/p][/quote]No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.[/p][/quote]Police have seen them and agreed with me. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ? Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -1

1:44pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

1:46pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.
No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.
Police have seen them and agreed with me.
Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.[/p][/quote]Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.[/p][/quote]No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.[/p][/quote]Police have seen them and agreed with me.[/p][/quote]Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -1

1:51pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.
No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.
Police have seen them and agreed with me.
Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one.
None so far because the police don' seem to take it further unless someone is injured or killed but the next time I report something, I will be sure to stay o their backs asking for information and push them to actually take more action than to just give the people verbal warnings.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.[/p][/quote]Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.[/p][/quote]No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.[/p][/quote]Police have seen them and agreed with me.[/p][/quote]Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one.[/p][/quote]None so far because the police don' seem to take it further unless someone is injured or killed but the next time I report something, I will be sure to stay o their backs asking for information and push them to actually take more action than to just give the people verbal warnings. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

1:52pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -5

2:00pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.
No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.
Police have seen them and agreed with me.
Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one.
None so far because the police don' seem to take it further unless someone is injured or killed but the next time I report something, I will be sure to stay o their backs asking for information and push them to actually take more action than to just give the people verbal warnings.
So, after making 600 videos of driver offences, not one of them is of any use because the police don't think the offences are serious enough to bother ? Doesn't that make the exercise pointless, and you just look stupid ? What do they say ? "Yes, Mikey old boy, you keep making them. We don't mind !" And once you've gone, they all have a jolly good laugh !
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.[/p][/quote]Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.[/p][/quote]No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.[/p][/quote]Police have seen them and agreed with me.[/p][/quote]Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one.[/p][/quote]None so far because the police don' seem to take it further unless someone is injured or killed but the next time I report something, I will be sure to stay o their backs asking for information and push them to actually take more action than to just give the people verbal warnings.[/p][/quote]So, after making 600 videos of driver offences, not one of them is of any use because the police don't think the offences are serious enough to bother ? Doesn't that make the exercise pointless, and you just look stupid ? What do they say ? "Yes, Mikey old boy, you keep making them. We don't mind !" And once you've gone, they all have a jolly good laugh ! Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -1

2:02pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again.

Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take".

I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.
I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.
Let's play YOUR game.

Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past.

Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states :

a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera.
b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures.

There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.
I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.
We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.
Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.
No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.
Police have seen them and agreed with me.
Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one.
None so far because the police don' seem to take it further unless someone is injured or killed but the next time I report something, I will be sure to stay o their backs asking for information and push them to actually take more action than to just give the people verbal warnings.
So, after making 600 videos of driver offences, not one of them is of any use because the police don't think the offences are serious enough to bother ? Doesn't that make the exercise pointless, and you just look stupid ? What do they say ? "Yes, Mikey old boy, you keep making them. We don't mind !" And once you've gone, they all have a jolly good laugh !
If they did they'd be breaking the law themselves since by law, they MUST investigate ANY AND ALL reports made.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Gingercyclist does not SEEK attention, he DRAWS attention to points he believes everyone should be aware of. He draws attention to the minutest of details, which, although unnecessarily deep for a forum such as this, is nearly always relevant. Annoyingly so. He will not let go. He will not give in. He approaches this forum like a game of chess, and check mates everyone time and time again. Lately he has been getting very hostile, but that is because he is often replying to three or four people at once, and trying to decide whether their points are genuine or a "micky-take". I don't like the fact that he films drivers making mistakes and then posts them on You Tube. He and Downfader both do this, and it appears to be an act of spite. They see it as rough justice, which, in a way it is, albeit rather anti-social, and a bit "not the done thing". We all know it is just a matter of time before he picks on the wrong person, and ends up in hospital or worse. That is a pity because he does not deserve that level of retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't "film" drivers because A, I record my whole rides, not keep turning my cameras on/off when I think somethong will happen and B, my cameras are digital and don't contain any film.[/p][/quote]Let's play YOUR game. Firstly, you have defended, on many occasions, the fact that you record driver misdemeanours. Indeed, your videos are titled with the registration marks of the alleged offending vehicle ! So trying to play it down now is just making you look foolish. We all remember what you have said in the past. Secondly, you know very well that the verb "to film" does not refer specifically to the use of analogue media. A dictionary definition states : a. to photograph with a motion-picture camera. b. to reproduce in the form of motion pictures. There is no distinction made regarding whether the effect of "motion" is created digitally or via analogue means. Interestingly, the expression "footage" is still used to describe a section of film, whether analogue or digital.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to downplay anything and the videos do NOT show "alledged" offences, they show ACTUAL offences.[/p][/quote]We've been through this before ! Both Gilbert Ratchet and I (as Charlee) pointed out that your videos do NOT clearly show, beyond reasonable doubt, any actual offences taking place. They would not stand up in court. I'm not going over all this again with you.[/p][/quote]Most of them DO show, beyond resonable doubt that offences had taken place.[/p][/quote]No they don't. Ask a policeman. Show them to the CPS.[/p][/quote]Police have seen them and agreed with me.[/p][/quote]Agreed what ? I think the police probably "humoured" you. How many of your videos have been used in court, where that evidence has contributed to a conviction ? Name one.[/p][/quote]None so far because the police don' seem to take it further unless someone is injured or killed but the next time I report something, I will be sure to stay o their backs asking for information and push them to actually take more action than to just give the people verbal warnings.[/p][/quote]So, after making 600 videos of driver offences, not one of them is of any use because the police don't think the offences are serious enough to bother ? Doesn't that make the exercise pointless, and you just look stupid ? What do they say ? "Yes, Mikey old boy, you keep making them. We don't mind !" And once you've gone, they all have a jolly good laugh ![/p][/quote]If they did they'd be breaking the law themselves since by law, they MUST investigate ANY AND ALL reports made. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Paul Weaver says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
I am not going to get you banned but I am going to say sorry and put into context my last reference to disabled people and explain my pet hate of labels.

I quote myself, "People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them."

By 'disabled' I meant disabled by their environment which I have always considered as being situations where the person is being disadvantaged by the physical environment and by others interactions with them.

I myself am on the spectrum having had a late diagnosis of Asbergers (I was about 45 when I got my diagnosis) and I have managed to upset you through my inept attitude of firing a comment from the hip without thought of the consequences of what I say.

Mandy I make a public apology here to you it wasn't intended that I upset you or made a bad reference to others with HFA.

But I do not get on with labels and that I do object to but also made my comment without knowledge of the use of Aspies as a way some people refer to themselves. Yet again I say sorry.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.[/p][/quote]I am not going to get you banned but I am going to say sorry and put into context my last reference to disabled people and explain my pet hate of labels. I quote myself, "People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them." By 'disabled' I meant disabled by their environment which I have always considered as being situations where the person is being disadvantaged by the physical environment and by others interactions with them. I myself am on the spectrum having had a late diagnosis of Asbergers (I was about 45 when I got my diagnosis) and I have managed to upset you through my inept attitude of firing a comment from the hip without thought of the consequences of what I say. Mandy I make a public apology here to you it wasn't intended that I upset you or made a bad reference to others with HFA. But I do not get on with labels and that I do object to but also made my comment without knowledge of the use of Aspies as a way some people refer to themselves. Yet again I say sorry. Paul Weaver
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.
Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule".
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.[/p][/quote]Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule". Mandy Warhol
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3:21pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mary80 says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Sorry but this is a **** ignorant statement how the hell can you say its not a disability, i HAVE AS and i am greatly angered by your retarded view its not a disability? Try and get educated on the subject before spouting utter BS as "fact" love. People like YOU make me sick with your ignorant attitude.

Yes it IS a disability you utter moron you try having AS and see how you cope oh you WOULDN'T. If you can't stop making foolish statements then eff off then
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Sorry but this is a **** ignorant statement how the hell can you say its not a disability, i HAVE AS and i am greatly angered by your retarded view its not a disability? Try and get educated on the subject before spouting utter BS as "fact" love. People like YOU make me sick with your ignorant attitude. Yes it IS a disability you utter moron you try having AS and see how you cope oh you WOULDN'T. If you can't stop making foolish statements then eff off then Mary80
  • Score: 5

3:22pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.
Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule".
But in the past you and others have ADMITTED to being BTK, so how is it an accusation to state a fact that you admitted to?
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.[/p][/quote]Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule".[/p][/quote]But in the past you and others have ADMITTED to being BTK, so how is it an accusation to state a fact that you admitted to? Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

3:23pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
I am not going to get you banned but I am going to say sorry and put into context my last reference to disabled people and explain my pet hate of labels.

I quote myself, "People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them."

By 'disabled' I meant disabled by their environment which I have always considered as being situations where the person is being disadvantaged by the physical environment and by others interactions with them.

I myself am on the spectrum having had a late diagnosis of Asbergers (I was about 45 when I got my diagnosis) and I have managed to upset you through my inept attitude of firing a comment from the hip without thought of the consequences of what I say.

Mandy I make a public apology here to you it wasn't intended that I upset you or made a bad reference to others with HFA.

But I do not get on with labels and that I do object to but also made my comment without knowledge of the use of Aspies as a way some people refer to themselves. Yet again I say sorry.
It was very kind of you to take the trouble to write this. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.[/p][/quote]I am not going to get you banned but I am going to say sorry and put into context my last reference to disabled people and explain my pet hate of labels. I quote myself, "People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them." By 'disabled' I meant disabled by their environment which I have always considered as being situations where the person is being disadvantaged by the physical environment and by others interactions with them. I myself am on the spectrum having had a late diagnosis of Asbergers (I was about 45 when I got my diagnosis) and I have managed to upset you through my inept attitude of firing a comment from the hip without thought of the consequences of what I say. Mandy I make a public apology here to you it wasn't intended that I upset you or made a bad reference to others with HFA. But I do not get on with labels and that I do object to but also made my comment without knowledge of the use of Aspies as a way some people refer to themselves. Yet again I say sorry.[/p][/quote]It was very kind of you to take the trouble to write this. Thank you. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -2

3:44pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.
Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule".
But in the past you and others have ADMITTED to being BTK, so how is it an accusation to state a fact that you admitted to?
What on earth are you talking about "admitting to being BTK"? Billy The Kid posted comments here that "the mob" didn't like : they resented his in-depth comments and mocked him. He retaliated live on forum because the Echo admin under Phil Berner couldn't care less. So they banned him. Hardly a criminal, was he ? Guilty of being rude, and out of favour with the regulars, he became a victim of prejudice. Why does it matter ? The mob here didn't believe that several different people posted from the same computer. Why did that matter ? Why did it matter if Billy The Kid posted comments under Jayne388's name sometimes ?

Well, we entered into the spirit of this mass, petty-minded stupidity, and people like Downfader and Freefinker decided to play "Spot Billy" ! Why did anyone care ? In a democratic world, which I thought we had in this country, people should be free to express their opinions, no matter how unpopular they might be.

My ancestors were quite big in business in Southampton back in the Victorian times, and they put money into sponsoring the setting up of the Echo. My family has history with this paper, and we resent being driven off the forum unfairly. So that's why we keep coming back. This used to be our territory, and we were driven away by unscrupulous people for no good reason.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.[/p][/quote]Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule".[/p][/quote]But in the past you and others have ADMITTED to being BTK, so how is it an accusation to state a fact that you admitted to?[/p][/quote]What on earth are you talking about "admitting to being BTK"? Billy The Kid posted comments here that "the mob" didn't like : they resented his in-depth comments and mocked him. He retaliated live on forum because the Echo admin under Phil Berner couldn't care less. So they banned him. Hardly a criminal, was he ? Guilty of being rude, and out of favour with the regulars, he became a victim of prejudice. Why does it matter ? The mob here didn't believe that several different people posted from the same computer. Why did that matter ? Why did it matter if Billy The Kid posted comments under Jayne388's name sometimes ? Well, we entered into the spirit of this mass, petty-minded stupidity, and people like Downfader and Freefinker decided to play "Spot Billy" ! Why did anyone care ? In a democratic world, which I thought we had in this country, people should be free to express their opinions, no matter how unpopular they might be. My ancestors were quite big in business in Southampton back in the Victorian times, and they put money into sponsoring the setting up of the Echo. My family has history with this paper, and we resent being driven off the forum unfairly. So that's why we keep coming back. This used to be our territory, and we were driven away by unscrupulous people for no good reason. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -1

3:48pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Mandy Warhol wrote:
Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.
Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.
Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement".

As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while.

Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it?

I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.
I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only.

People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them.

Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities.

This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.
What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled.

A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future.

I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.
Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.
That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! !
Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.
You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so !
I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.
Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place.

Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?
I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.
Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon !

No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.
Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.
Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule".
But in the past you and others have ADMITTED to being BTK, so how is it an accusation to state a fact that you admitted to?
What on earth are you talking about "admitting to being BTK"? Billy The Kid posted comments here that "the mob" didn't like : they resented his in-depth comments and mocked him. He retaliated live on forum because the Echo admin under Phil Berner couldn't care less. So they banned him. Hardly a criminal, was he ? Guilty of being rude, and out of favour with the regulars, he became a victim of prejudice. Why does it matter ? The mob here didn't believe that several different people posted from the same computer. Why did that matter ? Why did it matter if Billy The Kid posted comments under Jayne388's name sometimes ?

Well, we entered into the spirit of this mass, petty-minded stupidity, and people like Downfader and Freefinker decided to play "Spot Billy" ! Why did anyone care ? In a democratic world, which I thought we had in this country, people should be free to express their opinions, no matter how unpopular they might be.

My ancestors were quite big in business in Southampton back in the Victorian times, and they put money into sponsoring the setting up of the Echo. My family has history with this paper, and we resent being driven off the forum unfairly. So that's why we keep coming back. This used to be our territory, and we were driven away by unscrupulous people for no good reason.
That's history though, here's a proverb for you.
Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery but today is a gift, that is why it's called the present.
[quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Weaver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mandy Warhol[/bold] wrote: Oh, Michael, Asperger's is by no means a disability, and well you know it.[/p][/quote]Educational establishments and employers all over Britain would disagree with you, as would the government and medical professionals such as those who diagnosed me with it.[/p][/quote]Because they get extra money! It's classified as a disability in order to get the "statement". As a teacher I worked with Aspies in secondary schools, and at Hope Lodge for a while. Now then : Einstein, Darwin, Bill Gates, Michael Palin, Issac Newton, Jane Austen, Michelangelo, Mozart, George Orwell and dozens of others of fame and fortune are known to have displayed Asperger characteristics. Not bad company for a "disability", is it? I'd agree there are some ancient myths still going round about autism, but modern thinking holds Asperger Syndrome in high regard.[/p][/quote]I am shocked about this comment of yours Mandy for one reason only. People who have Asbergers are not Aspies but they are people with a medical condition who are disabled by their environment which includes the way people interact with them. Its all the more particularly annoying to see you say this as a former teacher; a teacher should be there setting the example of the way people should act. The majority of teachers and ex-teachers would have respect for people with disabilities. This is yet another way that disabled people get discriminated against.[/p][/quote]What a completely ignorant person you are, Paul Weaver. YOU are discriminating against Aspies ( yes, Aspies - it is the user-friendly term HFAs prefer ) by referring to them as disabled ! They are NOT disabled, but "differently abled". The reason I was able to work successfully with Aspies is because I did not treat them as being different, or disabled. A word of advice : check out the facts of your subject before you noodle away on your keyboard in future. I happen to be on the spectrum myself, with predominantly Asperger characteristics, and I find your condescending, patronising attitude, quite frankly, nauseating.[/p][/quote]Noooo.... "Aspie" is a term that people with Asperger's coined as short hand for Asperger's.[/p][/quote]That's what I said : "the user-friendly term HFAs (High-Functioning Autistics, a category which includes people with Asperger's Syndrome ) prefer" ! ! ![/p][/quote]Then next time, include in brackets, "High-Functioning Autistics" when you abreviate it to HFA's so that those who don't know what you mean by "HFA's" will then know what you mean.[/p][/quote]You ARE one, you silly boy ! You are an HFA, and you should know that abbreviation. And what's to stop you Googling it, you lazy so-and-so ![/p][/quote]I don't know everything, nobody does, so why do you expect me to know every little thing? Also, HFA could be reffering to any number of things.[/p][/quote]Because you know the exact width of the screw that holds your pedal in place. Google HFA. What do you get ? The Halal Food Authority, and the second listing is......the Wikipedia entry on High Functioning Autism. How long would it take you to work out which one I was referring to ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than to correct your mistakes.[/p][/quote]Very funny ! The only mistake I am making is wasting time arguing with you on a sunny Sunday afternoon ! No doubt you will be in the phone queue with Forest Resident/New Forest Cyclist and Paul Weaver getting me banned again tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Spending time on the phone for you would also be a waste of time, you just keep crawling back anyway.[/p][/quote]Why did you choose the word "crawl" ? I don't crawl anywhere. If people here choose to exploit the poor moderation system to have certain people removed summarily from the forum, there is nothing I can do about that. If I or my colleagues want to comment, we have to register a new name because we are enemies of Downfader, and he clearly has influence with the admin staff. He accuses us of being Billy The Kid, and the next thing that happens is we are banned. It is hardly fair or reasonable. We don't ever get a chance to put our case. It reflects very badly on the Echo, as it is a form of "mob rule".[/p][/quote]But in the past you and others have ADMITTED to being BTK, so how is it an accusation to state a fact that you admitted to?[/p][/quote]What on earth are you talking about "admitting to being BTK"? Billy The Kid posted comments here that "the mob" didn't like : they resented his in-depth comments and mocked him. He retaliated live on forum because the Echo admin under Phil Berner couldn't care less. So they banned him. Hardly a criminal, was he ? Guilty of being rude, and out of favour with the regulars, he became a victim of prejudice. Why does it matter ? The mob here didn't believe that several different people posted from the same computer. Why did that matter ? Why did it matter if Billy The Kid posted comments under Jayne388's name sometimes ? Well, we entered into the spirit of this mass, petty-minded stupidity, and people like Downfader and Freefinker decided to play "Spot Billy" ! Why did anyone care ? In a democratic world, which I thought we had in this country, people should be free to express their opinions, no matter how unpopular they might be. My ancestors were quite big in business in Southampton back in the Victorian times, and they put money into sponsoring the setting up of the Echo. My family has history with this paper, and we resent being driven off the forum unfairly. So that's why we keep coming back. This used to be our territory, and we were driven away by unscrupulous people for no good reason.[/p][/quote]That's history though, here's a proverb for you. Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery but today is a gift, that is why it's called the present. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

5:28pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mandy Warhol says...

Quote Ginger : "That's history though, here's a proverb for you.
Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery but today is a gift, that is why it's called the present."

Sentimentality. It often makes me cringe, but your proverb brings a peaceful smile to my face. Thank you for that, Ginger.

Have you posted on any of the nationals? It's very civilised and very enjoyable. People are polite and they take an interest in each other. They'd like you because you know your facts about any given topic. But, the drawback is you have to pay a subscription, and for that you get the beautiful "premoderation" facility.

I can't help it, but I feel my family have been betrayed by the tabloid yobs that run this shambles. Have a read of some copies from the 50's and 60's - you will find a completely different attitude and approach. Excellent quality of journalism is the first thing you'll notice. The tone and mood are much friendlier. If, instead of banning my friends and I, they terminated the ones who swear and intimidate, and who make sick jokes about sad stories, some of the intelligent commenters would return.
Quote Ginger : "That's history though, here's a proverb for you. Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery but today is a gift, that is why it's called the present." Sentimentality. It often makes me cringe, but your proverb brings a peaceful smile to my face. Thank you for that, Ginger. Have you posted on any of the nationals? It's very civilised and very enjoyable. People are polite and they take an interest in each other. They'd like you because you know your facts about any given topic. But, the drawback is you have to pay a subscription, and for that you get the beautiful "premoderation" facility. I can't help it, but I feel my family have been betrayed by the tabloid yobs that run this shambles. Have a read of some copies from the 50's and 60's - you will find a completely different attitude and approach. Excellent quality of journalism is the first thing you'll notice. The tone and mood are much friendlier. If, instead of banning my friends and I, they terminated the ones who swear and intimidate, and who make sick jokes about sad stories, some of the intelligent commenters would return. Mandy Warhol
  • Score: -4

6:05pm Sun 13 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

DanWeston wrote:
Having seen the chaos every weekend in the Summer, should we be posting Notices wihich reflect the reality of life here?

Do you live in or near the New Forest?

Over the next few months 12.7 million vehicles will descend on the New Forest

These vehicles will speed in large groups on our roads and through our villages

This notice is to alert New Forest residents of this abuse of our tranquil location, and warn that this influx could put members of the public at risk as they go about their daily business

If you are involved with any incident with any of these visitors, please REPORT IT to your local Parish, the Town Council and the Police

(figures from NFNPA)
I assume form the lack of any replies that everyone approves of this poster?
[quote][p][bold]DanWeston[/bold] wrote: Having seen the chaos every weekend in the Summer, should we be posting Notices wihich reflect the reality of life here? Do you live in or near the New Forest? Over the next few months 12.7 million vehicles will descend on the New Forest These vehicles will speed in large groups on our roads and through our villages This notice is to alert New Forest residents of this abuse of our tranquil location, and warn that this influx could put members of the public at risk as they go about their daily business If you are involved with any incident with any of these visitors, please REPORT IT to your local Parish, the Town Council and the Police (figures from NFNPA)[/p][/quote]I assume form the lack of any replies that everyone approves of this poster? DanWeston
  • Score: 5

2:53pm Mon 14 Apr 14

lowe esteem says...

StElsass wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
StElsass wrote:
SilvanDryad wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now!
I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think?
And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.
So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory!
It may come as news to you but there are other events happening in the NF this weekend! I.e I have to take my son to a football match tomorrow morning and thanks to your pointing me to the Wiggle website I just found out that the route I was going to take will be full of cyclists, so I'll go another way. See how it helps to communicate?
By the way, I don't quite understand why people would want to pay for cycling; must be good business for the organisers, though..
A lot of them get in their cars to take their cycle out to the Forest for the day, so most of this lot can't even play the 'Green' card.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.[/p][/quote]Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now! I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think? And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.[/p][/quote]So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory![/p][/quote]It may come as news to you but there are other events happening in the NF this weekend! I.e I have to take my son to a football match tomorrow morning and thanks to your pointing me to the Wiggle website I just found out that the route I was going to take will be full of cyclists, so I'll go another way. See how it helps to communicate? By the way, I don't quite understand why people would want to pay for cycling; must be good business for the organisers, though..[/p][/quote]A lot of them get in their cars to take their cycle out to the Forest for the day, so most of this lot can't even play the 'Green' card. lowe esteem
  • Score: -4

8:59pm Mon 14 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

lowe esteem wrote:
StElsass wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
StElsass wrote:
SilvanDryad wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Ash_69 wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/
Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?
The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.
Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now!
I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think?
And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.
So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory!
It may come as news to you but there are other events happening in the NF this weekend! I.e I have to take my son to a football match tomorrow morning and thanks to your pointing me to the Wiggle website I just found out that the route I was going to take will be full of cyclists, so I'll go another way. See how it helps to communicate?
By the way, I don't quite understand why people would want to pay for cycling; must be good business for the organisers, though..
A lot of them get in their cars to take their cycle out to the Forest for the day, so most of this lot can't even play the 'Green' card.
Over 12 million people arrive in the New Forest recreationally each year by motor vehicle and you are beating about 0.01% of them?

Superb.....
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SilvanDryad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Does this include the 2,000 who are going to drive there with their bikes on top of their cars? On a more serious note, it would perhaps be a good idea to publish a map showing the routes and timing of the event, that way people could use alternative routes when available. More productive then a poster war, don't you think?[/p][/quote]The routes are already public: freely available on the Wiggle website for those with the gumption to look, and can be downloaded.[/p][/quote]Well thank you for this but why do you feel the need to be so confrontational? I didn't even know of the existence of the Wiggle website before now! I live in the New Forest and have not heard of this event before today, which would indicate that the communication needs worked at, don't you think? And yes I do cycle too; I just don't feel the need to be surrounded by 2,000 other people to do it.[/p][/quote]So don't register for the Sportive then? It's not mandatory![/p][/quote]It may come as news to you but there are other events happening in the NF this weekend! I.e I have to take my son to a football match tomorrow morning and thanks to your pointing me to the Wiggle website I just found out that the route I was going to take will be full of cyclists, so I'll go another way. See how it helps to communicate? By the way, I don't quite understand why people would want to pay for cycling; must be good business for the organisers, though..[/p][/quote]A lot of them get in their cars to take their cycle out to the Forest for the day, so most of this lot can't even play the 'Green' card.[/p][/quote]Over 12 million people arrive in the New Forest recreationally each year by motor vehicle and you are beating about 0.01% of them? Superb..... DanWeston
  • Score: 5

1:25pm Tue 15 Apr 14

This_DAMN_Town says...

Ash_69 wrote:
Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals -

https://m.flickr.com


/#/photos/downfader/


13720958055/
Love this! So true as well New Forest show soon, which messes with traffic on the M27 well out of the New Forest...
[quote][p][bold]Ash_69[/bold] wrote: Echo, please add this photo to your story from some other locals - https://m.flickr.com /#/photos/downfader/ 13720958055/[/p][/quote]Love this! So true as well New Forest show soon, which messes with traffic on the M27 well out of the New Forest... This_DAMN_Town
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Tue 15 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

The posters,asked for any infringements to be reported, yet when it comes to the cowardly vandalism of throwing nails to injure animals a nd people ..no-one saw anything?
The posters,asked for any infringements to be reported, yet when it comes to the cowardly vandalism of throwing nails to injure animals a nd people ..no-one saw anything? DanWeston
  • Score: 6

7:04pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Reconciler says...

Both posters request reporting of offences. What is wrong with that? However, this thread was supposed to be about mass cycling events and the problems they cause. Cars are another subject, and the problems they cause do not remove the responsibility from participants in mass cycling events to behave considerately. Have you seen any of the posters warning people of last week-end events still in place? I can't find any, so the accusations of littering are baseless. The poster-posters must be quite responsible people! Would it not be responsible of Wiggle to put up their own warning noticess, so that other road users can make plans to avoid the risk of abuse for being in the competitors' way? Most people know nothing about them in advance, so are caught by surprise, miss appointments, etc.

Many contributors to this thread assume that mass cycling only takes place one or two days a year. This is not the case. Wiggle alone have at least six days, and there are many others. There are virtually no week-ends in Spring, Summer or Autumn free of some event or other - on little lanes completely unsuitable for mass events.
Both posters request reporting of offences. What is wrong with that? However, this thread was supposed to be about mass cycling events and the problems they cause. Cars are another subject, and the problems they cause do not remove the responsibility from participants in mass cycling events to behave considerately. Have you seen any of the posters warning people of last week-end events still in place? I can't find any, so the accusations of littering are baseless. The poster-posters must be quite responsible people! Would it not be responsible of Wiggle to put up their own warning noticess, so that other road users can make plans to avoid the risk of abuse for being in the competitors' way? Most people know nothing about them in advance, so are caught by surprise, miss appointments, etc. Many contributors to this thread assume that mass cycling only takes place one or two days a year. This is not the case. Wiggle alone have at least six days, and there are many others. There are virtually no week-ends in Spring, Summer or Autumn free of some event or other - on little lanes completely unsuitable for mass events. Reconciler
  • Score: -2

7:08pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Reconciler wrote:
Both posters request reporting of offences. What is wrong with that? However, this thread was supposed to be about mass cycling events and the problems they cause. Cars are another subject, and the problems they cause do not remove the responsibility from participants in mass cycling events to behave considerately. Have you seen any of the posters warning people of last week-end events still in place? I can't find any, so the accusations of littering are baseless. The poster-posters must be quite responsible people! Would it not be responsible of Wiggle to put up their own warning noticess, so that other road users can make plans to avoid the risk of abuse for being in the competitors' way? Most people know nothing about them in advance, so are caught by surprise, miss appointments, etc.

Many contributors to this thread assume that mass cycling only takes place one or two days a year. This is not the case. Wiggle alone have at least six days, and there are many others. There are virtually no week-ends in Spring, Summer or Autumn free of some event or other - on little lanes completely unsuitable for mass events.
Putting up posters without permission is putting up fly-posters and is akin to fly-tipping, therefore it is LITTERING and during the tourist season, the forest is clogged up almost every single day with cars.
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Both posters request reporting of offences. What is wrong with that? However, this thread was supposed to be about mass cycling events and the problems they cause. Cars are another subject, and the problems they cause do not remove the responsibility from participants in mass cycling events to behave considerately. Have you seen any of the posters warning people of last week-end events still in place? I can't find any, so the accusations of littering are baseless. The poster-posters must be quite responsible people! Would it not be responsible of Wiggle to put up their own warning noticess, so that other road users can make plans to avoid the risk of abuse for being in the competitors' way? Most people know nothing about them in advance, so are caught by surprise, miss appointments, etc. Many contributors to this thread assume that mass cycling only takes place one or two days a year. This is not the case. Wiggle alone have at least six days, and there are many others. There are virtually no week-ends in Spring, Summer or Autumn free of some event or other - on little lanes completely unsuitable for mass events.[/p][/quote]Putting up posters without permission is putting up fly-posters and is akin to fly-tipping, therefore it is LITTERING and during the tourist season, the forest is clogged up almost every single day with cars. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 3

7:00pm Thu 17 Apr 14

DanWeston says...

Reconciler wrote:
Both posters request reporting of offences. What is wrong with that? However, this thread was supposed to be about mass cycling events and the problems they cause. Cars are another subject, and the problems they cause do not remove the responsibility from participants in mass cycling events to behave considerately. Have you seen any of the posters warning people of last week-end events still in place? I can't find any, so the accusations of littering are baseless. The poster-posters must be quite responsible people! Would it not be responsible of Wiggle to put up their own warning noticess, so that other road users can make plans to avoid the risk of abuse for being in the competitors' way? Most people know nothing about them in advance, so are caught by surprise, miss appointments, etc.

Many contributors to this thread assume that mass cycling only takes place one or two days a year. This is not the case. Wiggle alone have at least six days, and there are many others. There are virtually no week-ends in Spring, Summer or Autumn free of some event or other - on little lanes completely unsuitable for mass events.
Are they suitable in that case for 13 million visitors in motor vehicles then?
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Both posters request reporting of offences. What is wrong with that? However, this thread was supposed to be about mass cycling events and the problems they cause. Cars are another subject, and the problems they cause do not remove the responsibility from participants in mass cycling events to behave considerately. Have you seen any of the posters warning people of last week-end events still in place? I can't find any, so the accusations of littering are baseless. The poster-posters must be quite responsible people! Would it not be responsible of Wiggle to put up their own warning noticess, so that other road users can make plans to avoid the risk of abuse for being in the competitors' way? Most people know nothing about them in advance, so are caught by surprise, miss appointments, etc. Many contributors to this thread assume that mass cycling only takes place one or two days a year. This is not the case. Wiggle alone have at least six days, and there are many others. There are virtually no week-ends in Spring, Summer or Autumn free of some event or other - on little lanes completely unsuitable for mass events.[/p][/quote]Are they suitable in that case for 13 million visitors in motor vehicles then? DanWeston
  • Score: 5

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