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Bid to halt plan for radioactive waste


ENVIRONMENTAL campaigners want plans to dispose of radioactive waste from the Sellafield nuclear plant in the New Forest to be scrapped.

They have called for the low-level radioactive waste oil, which is stored in sealed UN-approved drums, to remain at the Cumbrian plant.

The risk to the Hampshire public is considered negligible as the level of radiation is thousands of times lower than that which arises from everyday natural radiation exposure.

There are fears transporting it 350 miles could be an environmental disaster if a truck was involved in an accident.

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Under a proposal ten trucks a year would make the journey from Cumbria to a Spanish-owned incinerator in Fawley.

New Forest Friends of the Earth spokesman John Walker said: “We totally object to the proposals and we see no reason why this should not be dealt with elsewhere.

“We are also concerned that this could set a precedent for nuclear waste from other sources to be disposed of in the New Forest.”

Each truck would carry about 40 barrels of radioactive waste, which consists of contaminated lubricants, as well as hydraulic and engine oils.

If approved by the environment Agency, up to 100 cubic metres of the waste would be sent to Hampshire each year.

The Fawley incinerator is the only treatment plant in the UK authorised to deal with this type of waste.

New Forest Liberal Democrat Councillor David Harrison said: “I think it is irresponsible of central Government to transport waste of that nature such large distances.

“You would have thought that if you are going to produce material of that type then you are going to provide a facility to deal with it on or near the site.”

The first load, which is likely to travel down the busy M3, M27 and A326, could arrive as early as the spring.

Once incinerated, the ash will be dumped at the Pound Bottom landfill site near Salisbury.

New Forest District Council leader Barry Rickman said: “I am confident that the material they are transporting does not pose a danger to the residents of the New Forest.”

Barrie Foley, New Forest National Park Authority interim chief executive, said the NPA had not been consulted on the plans.

radiation FAQs

What was the radioactive waste used for at Sellafield nuclear power plant?

It consists of contaminated lubricants, as well as hydraulic and engine oils. It was previously stored in safety compounds on site at Sellafield and is, on average, about ten years old.

Why does the radioactive waste have to come to Hampshire?

The Fawley incinerator, owned by Tradebe, is the only treatment plant in the UK authorised to deal with this type of low-level radioactive waste. Previously the oil had been stored in safety compounds in Sellafield or sent to Sweden for incineration.

What is the risk to the public if there is a leak?

The authorities insist there is no risk to the public as the level of radiation is thousands of times lower than that which arises from everyday radiation exposure.

The major environmental risk comes from the oil itself, for example pollution of watercourses.

What risk does incineration pose to the air?

A Health Protection Agency assessment, conducted on behalf of Tradebe, indicates that any radiation exposure to those living close to the incinerator will be low and well within the recognised radiation dose limits.


Comments(15)

Waysider says...
3:26pm Wed 3 Feb 10

England!!!, The dustbin of the world. Where the feel-good factor has long departed the shores, Where greedy councellors milk the OAPs for every penny they can get, to line own pockets. (they should get off our backs and look for a real job), 'work' they don't know the meaning of the word. Where pensions are the main topic - theirs of coarse. Where the word Sympathy is rarely heard, leaving it to lie among the other unmentionables, sxxt and syphilis in the dictionary. The people out in Canada were in revolt against a proposed burner on their back doors, but this country welcomed the idea with open arms, and I could go on. No, i'm not a militant individual, merely a septuagenarian, phew, who happens to be rather concerned for the future well-being of his grandchildren, and, as for adding fluoride to the water, what parent in his/her right mind, would allow their children to drink the stuff, knowing that they will catch all sorts of illnesses in later years as a result. You can lead a horse to water, but!, you can't make it drink.

rcoups says...
4:55pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Low level of radiation, less than whats in the atmosphere. But onced released into the atmosphere then it increases the levels. We don't want any of the white wash we had last time when they done experiments over southampton, just take your toxic waste and dump it at central government

freefinker says...
5:16pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Incineration does NOT destroy the radioactive elements contained in this waste. What it does is to disperse them into our local area. It's effectively just landfilling, but instead of into a confined and regulated landfill site, it's dumped over you and me.
Outrageous and no way to behave in the 21st centuary. If this is the only souution they can come up with it's about time they ceased producing any more.

The Wickham Man says...
5:28pm Wed 3 Feb 10

And have any of the people above ever been Cornwall, Northumbria, Scotland, The Alps, or any of the myriad of places on earth where the background radiation is many times higher than it is here anyway? If so , why did you go there if you are so paranoid about radiation? You happily sit in front of the TV bombarding yourself with radiation.... you get X rayed at the dentists and couldn't care less that you are subjecting your head to more radiation in a second than you would get from this waste in a lifetime. You hold mobile phones to the side of your head. What else? You get many times more radiation than this from the luminous paint on the watch that you happily strap to your wrist and here you are scared stiff of it. You allowing yourself to be led by a tree hugging scaremongering ignoramus like John Walker. Where's the consistency in your bizarre objection to radiation? Are you going to throw out your microwave now as well , or is that "ok"?

freefinker says...
5:53pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Alas, The Wickham Man, there are differint types of radiation which you seem to want to treat as though they all the same. They are not.
There are good reasons why those in the nuclear industries take elaborate precautions to avoid exposure. The nuclear industry has been accumulating radioactive waste now for over 50 years - and they still don't know what they are going to do with it. If this proposal is allowed to go ahead, what next? Much more of the same - and worse.
They are bringing it hundreds of miles to dump it in our community rather than deal with it as its source.
If everyone in this locality took your complacent attitude they will be rubbing their hands with glee.

southy says...
6:22pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Wickham Man said.
""You get many times more radiation than this from the luminous paint on the watch that you happily strap to your wrist""
yes and look what happened to the girls that was painting those luminous dials, a lot of them ended up with cancer, smiths had to make a very large pay out. in the usa.

you also said
""you get X rayed at the dentists ""
have you not ever notice how the dentist person tends to leave the room or move has far away has they can

and in cornwall they have banned any new building on such location.
its not a case of how low it is its more of a case how long you are expose to the low level radiation.

freefinker the only solution i can see that can be done with this sort of stuff, is put in space and head it to wards the sun or jupiter, probley the only places where it could do any good

Brite Spark says...
6:42pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Well, there will be a use for Fratton Park after all ...

forest hump says...
6:58pm Wed 3 Feb 10

freefinker wrote:
Alas, The Wickham Man, there are differint types of radiation which you seem to want to treat as though they all the same. They are not. There are good reasons why those in the nuclear industries take elaborate precautions to avoid exposure. The nuclear industry has been accumulating radioactive waste now for over 50 years - and they still don't know what they are going to do with it. If this proposal is allowed to go ahead, what next? Much more of the same - and worse. They are bringing it hundreds of miles to dump it in our community rather than deal with it as its source. If everyone in this locality took your complacent attitude they will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Your first post glibly stated "It's about time they ceased producing anymore" . Your second post inferred "rather than deal with it at source"
To stop producing would mean ther would be a shortage of electricity in this country as it stands. I suspect you would be on the whiners bandwagon, moaning about power cuts. Secondly, to deal with all nuclear waste at source is not only not cost effective but probably increases risk, as there would be multiple reprocessing facilities. This story, in terms of risk, has been blown out of all proportion. Scaremongering media claptrap.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu says...
7:51pm Wed 3 Feb 10

southy wrote:
Wickham Man said.
""You get many times more radiation than this from the luminous paint on the watch that you happily strap to your wrist""
yes and look what happened to the girls that was painting those luminous dials, a lot of them ended up with cancer, smiths had to make a very large pay out. in the usa.

you also said
""you get X rayed at the dentists ""
have you not ever notice how the dentist person tends to leave the room or move has far away has they can

and in cornwall they have banned any new building on such location.
its not a case of how low it is its more of a case how long you are expose to the low level radiation.

freefinker the only solution i can see that can be done with this sort of stuff, is put in space and head it to wards the sun or jupiter, probley the only places where it could do any good
****yes and look what happened to the girls that was painting those luminous dials, a lot of them ended up with cancer, smiths had to make a very large pay out. in the usa.****
Almost all of of the girls involved ingested the material when they licked the bristles to keep the paintbrush point as fine as possible.......a fact that's fairly easy to check, so the luminous dial on your wrist won't pose any problem at all.

southy says...
8:05pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:
southy wrote:
Wickham Man said.
""You get many times more radiation than this from the luminous paint on the watch that you happily strap to your wrist""
yes and look what happened to the girls that was painting those luminous dials, a lot of them ended up with cancer, smiths had to make a very large pay out. in the usa.

you also said
""you get X rayed at the dentists ""
have you not ever notice how the dentist person tends to leave the room or move has far away has they can

and in cornwall they have banned any new building on such location.
its not a case of how low it is its more of a case how long you are expose to the low level radiation.

freefinker the only solution i can see that can be done with this sort of stuff, is put in space and head it to wards the sun or jupiter, probley the only places where it could do any good
****yes and look what happened to the girls that was painting those luminous dials, a lot of them ended up with cancer, smiths had to make a very large pay out. in the usa.****
Almost all of of the girls involved ingested the material when they licked the bristles to keep the paintbrush point as fine as possible.......a fact that's fairly easy to check, so the luminous dial on your wrist won't pose any problem at all.
some did do that i will agree, but some others did't, like some only held the handle in there mouth, and some did't even do that.
the reason why smiths paid out was because they was found guilty of negligence
you can not buy luminous paint any more, only old stock. and it must be only in the very small tins.

freefinker says...
8:10pm Wed 3 Feb 10

forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Alas, The Wickham Man, there are differint types of radiation which you seem to want to treat as though they all the same. They are not. There are good reasons why those in the nuclear industries take elaborate precautions to avoid exposure. The nuclear industry has been accumulating radioactive waste now for over 50 years - and they still don't know what they are going to do with it. If this proposal is allowed to go ahead, what next? Much more of the same - and worse. They are bringing it hundreds of miles to dump it in our community rather than deal with it as its source. If everyone in this locality took your complacent attitude they will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Your first post glibly stated "It's about time they ceased producing anymore" . Your second post inferred "rather than deal with it at source"
To stop producing would mean ther would be a shortage of electricity in this country as it stands. I suspect you would be on the whiners bandwagon, moaning about power cuts. Secondly, to deal with all nuclear waste at source is not only not cost effective but probably increases risk, as there would be multiple reprocessing facilities. This story, in terms of risk, has been blown out of all proportion. Scaremongering media claptrap.
Er! I think in my original post I said "If this is the only solution they can come up with it's about time they ceased producing any more." which has quite a different meaning to the shorter section that you use.
Our nuclear power stations are rapidly reaching the end of their life (with the exception of Sizewell B) and to renew the building programme as recently envisaged by this government will be a very retrograde step for this country to take. There are HUGE quantities of waste from the operation and decommissioning of both our civilian and military nuclear industries - and after 50 plus years we still haven't got even the faintest idea of what we are going to do with it.
As the saying goes - if you're in a hole, stop digging.
As for future electricity need the future is with energy efficiency (grid distribution, appliance design, etc) where we still have potential for huge reductions, and renewables (where many innovative new technologies should come online over the next few years).
The future is NOT nuclear - it's has a very expensive cost and leaves a terrible legacy for future generations.

forest hump says...
9:10pm Wed 3 Feb 10

freefinker wrote:
forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote: Alas, The Wickham Man, there are differint types of radiation which you seem to want to treat as though they all the same. They are not. There are good reasons why those in the nuclear industries take elaborate precautions to avoid exposure. The nuclear industry has been accumulating radioactive waste now for over 50 years - and they still don't know what they are going to do with it. If this proposal is allowed to go ahead, what next? Much more of the same - and worse. They are bringing it hundreds of miles to dump it in our community rather than deal with it as its source. If everyone in this locality took your complacent attitude they will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Your first post glibly stated "It's about time they ceased producing anymore" . Your second post inferred "rather than deal with it at source" To stop producing would mean ther would be a shortage of electricity in this country as it stands. I suspect you would be on the whiners bandwagon, moaning about power cuts. Secondly, to deal with all nuclear waste at source is not only not cost effective but probably increases risk, as there would be multiple reprocessing facilities. This story, in terms of risk, has been blown out of all proportion. Scaremongering media claptrap.
Er! I think in my original post I said "If this is the only solution they can come up with it's about time they ceased producing any more." which has quite a different meaning to the shorter section that you use. Our nuclear power stations are rapidly reaching the end of their life (with the exception of Sizewell B) and to renew the building programme as recently envisaged by this government will be a very retrograde step for this country to take. There are HUGE quantities of waste from the operation and decommissioning of both our civilian and military nuclear industries - and after 50 plus years we still haven't got even the faintest idea of what we are going to do with it. As the saying goes - if you're in a hole, stop digging. As for future electricity need the future is with energy efficiency (grid distribution, appliance design, etc) where we still have potential for huge reductions, and renewables (where many innovative new technologies should come online over the next few years). The future is NOT nuclear - it's has a very expensive cost and leaves a terrible legacy for future generations.
Naive: go ask the French!

southy says...
10:26pm Wed 3 Feb 10

forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote:
forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote: Alas, The Wickham Man, there are differint types of radiation which you seem to want to treat as though they all the same. They are not. There are good reasons why those in the nuclear industries take elaborate precautions to avoid exposure. The nuclear industry has been accumulating radioactive waste now for over 50 years - and they still don't know what they are going to do with it. If this proposal is allowed to go ahead, what next? Much more of the same - and worse. They are bringing it hundreds of miles to dump it in our community rather than deal with it as its source. If everyone in this locality took your complacent attitude they will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Your first post glibly stated "It's about time they ceased producing anymore" . Your second post inferred "rather than deal with it at source" To stop producing would mean ther would be a shortage of electricity in this country as it stands. I suspect you would be on the whiners bandwagon, moaning about power cuts. Secondly, to deal with all nuclear waste at source is not only not cost effective but probably increases risk, as there would be multiple reprocessing facilities. This story, in terms of risk, has been blown out of all proportion. Scaremongering media claptrap.
Er! I think in my original post I said "If this is the only solution they can come up with it's about time they ceased producing any more." which has quite a different meaning to the shorter section that you use. Our nuclear power stations are rapidly reaching the end of their life (with the exception of Sizewell B) and to renew the building programme as recently envisaged by this government will be a very retrograde step for this country to take. There are HUGE quantities of waste from the operation and decommissioning of both our civilian and military nuclear industries - and after 50 plus years we still haven't got even the faintest idea of what we are going to do with it. As the saying goes - if you're in a hole, stop digging. As for future electricity need the future is with energy efficiency (grid distribution, appliance design, etc) where we still have potential for huge reductions, and renewables (where many innovative new technologies should come online over the next few years). The future is NOT nuclear - it's has a very expensive cost and leaves a terrible legacy for future generations.
Naive: go ask the French!
yes ask the french but make sure its the locals, and they take the same stance has most do in the uk. the end result it cost to much when dealing with the waste and what is left over over when a plant is shut down.

forest hump says...
7:49pm Thu 4 Feb 10

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote:
forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote: Alas, The Wickham Man, there are differint types of radiation which you seem to want to treat as though they all the same. They are not. There are good reasons why those in the nuclear industries take elaborate precautions to avoid exposure. The nuclear industry has been accumulating radioactive waste now for over 50 years - and they still don't know what they are going to do with it. If this proposal is allowed to go ahead, what next? Much more of the same - and worse. They are bringing it hundreds of miles to dump it in our community rather than deal with it as its source. If everyone in this locality took your complacent attitude they will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Your first post glibly stated "It's about time they ceased producing anymore" . Your second post inferred "rather than deal with it at source" To stop producing would mean ther would be a shortage of electricity in this country as it stands. I suspect you would be on the whiners bandwagon, moaning about power cuts. Secondly, to deal with all nuclear waste at source is not only not cost effective but probably increases risk, as there would be multiple reprocessing facilities. This story, in terms of risk, has been blown out of all proportion. Scaremongering media claptrap.
Er! I think in my original post I said "If this is the only solution they can come up with it's about time they ceased producing any more." which has quite a different meaning to the shorter section that you use. Our nuclear power stations are rapidly reaching the end of their life (with the exception of Sizewell B) and to renew the building programme as recently envisaged by this government will be a very retrograde step for this country to take. There are HUGE quantities of waste from the operation and decommissioning of both our civilian and military nuclear industries - and after 50 plus years we still haven't got even the faintest idea of what we are going to do with it. As the saying goes - if you're in a hole, stop digging. As for future electricity need the future is with energy efficiency (grid distribution, appliance design, etc) where we still have potential for huge reductions, and renewables (where many innovative new technologies should come online over the next few years). The future is NOT nuclear - it's has a very expensive cost and leaves a terrible legacy for future generations.
Naive: go ask the French!
yes ask the french but make sure its the locals, and they take the same stance has most do in the uk. the end result it cost to much when dealing with the waste and what is left over over when a plant is shut down.
They would not switch their current electricity bills for ones elsewhere. Again: go ask the French. QED

southy says...
10:42pm Thu 4 Feb 10

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote:
forest hump wrote:
freefinker wrote: Alas, The Wickham Man, there are differint types of radiation which you seem to want to treat as though they all the same. They are not. There are good reasons why those in the nuclear industries take elaborate precautions to avoid exposure. The nuclear industry has been accumulating radioactive waste now for over 50 years - and they still don't know what they are going to do with it. If this proposal is allowed to go ahead, what next? Much more of the same - and worse. They are bringing it hundreds of miles to dump it in our community rather than deal with it as its source. If everyone in this locality took your complacent attitude they will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Your first post glibly stated "It's about time they ceased producing anymore" . Your second post inferred "rather than deal with it at source" To stop producing would mean ther would be a shortage of electricity in this country as it stands. I suspect you would be on the whiners bandwagon, moaning about power cuts. Secondly, to deal with all nuclear waste at source is not only not cost effective but probably increases risk, as there would be multiple reprocessing facilities. This story, in terms of risk, has been blown out of all proportion. Scaremongering media claptrap.
Er! I think in my original post I said "If this is the only solution they can come up with it's about time they ceased producing any more." which has quite a different meaning to the shorter section that you use. Our nuclear power stations are rapidly reaching the end of their life (with the exception of Sizewell B) and to renew the building programme as recently envisaged by this government will be a very retrograde step for this country to take. There are HUGE quantities of waste from the operation and decommissioning of both our civilian and military nuclear industries - and after 50 plus years we still haven't got even the faintest idea of what we are going to do with it. As the saying goes - if you're in a hole, stop digging. As for future electricity need the future is with energy efficiency (grid distribution, appliance design, etc) where we still have potential for huge reductions, and renewables (where many innovative new technologies should come online over the next few years). The future is NOT nuclear - it's has a very expensive cost and leaves a terrible legacy for future generations.
Naive: go ask the French!
yes ask the french but make sure its the locals, and they take the same stance has most do in the uk. the end result it cost to much when dealing with the waste and what is left over over when a plant is shut down.
They would not switch their current electricity bills for ones elsewhere. Again: go ask the French. QED
the local french dont want nuclear power stations to.


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