65,000 ‘workless’ homes in Hampshire

65,000 ‘workless’ homes in county

65,000 ‘workless’ homes in county

First published in New Forest Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Parliamentary Correspondent

MORE than 65,000 homes across Hampshire and the Isle of Wight are lived in by people who don’t work, new figures have revealed.

The startling numbers have gone up overall in the past 12 months – prompting a warning of households spiralling into poverty and children growing up without a role model for later life.

In Southampton alone, there were 5,568 children growing up in workless households in 2011, the Office for National Statistics said.

That’s a reduction on last year, when 7,000 of the city’s children were recorded as living in homes with no working adults.

Although the numbers have dropped in the city since 2010, across the entire area it has increased from 63,879 to 65,182.

One of the sharpest rises was in Test Valley where figures rose from 1,864 to 4,445. More than a quarter of Isle of Wight households were also classed as “workless”, and over 17 per cent in Southampton.

Fareham MP Mark Hoban , the new Employment Minister, said nationally the picture was “encouraging” as figures fell overall, but admitted it was still a “substantial challenge” to cut the numbers.

But Southampton Itchen Labour MP John Denham said: “It’s clearly a major issue for the families and for taxpayers.”

He called on the Government to provide a jobs guarantee for young people, pointing to a rise in the use of food banks across the country as a result of families sliding into poverty.

He added: “Children growing up in families where nobody works are themselves much more likely to do badly at school and become long-term unemployed.

It’s pretty important, if possible, for one or both parents to be going out to work so children have a role model for how life works.”

Ministers claim the high numbers of people on welfare is a legacy from the Labour government, and point to their attempts to reform benefits, including a new multi-million pound “youth contract”

aimed at encouraging companies to take on young people.

Mr Hoban said: “The national figures were encouraging with a fall in both the proportion of workless households and in the proportion of children that live in a house where no one works.

“However, in many areas worklessness remains a substantial challenge.”

Workless households are defined as those which include at least one person of working age (16-64) where no one is in work.

Nationally, five million people aged 16-64 live in workless households and 1.8 million children.

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11:48am Mon 10 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Why bother working when you can get paid not to.
Why bother working when you can get paid not to. bigfella777
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12:04pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Nice spin to make it look better than it really is.
Nice spin to make it look better than it really is. southy
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12:10pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Nice spin to make it look better than it really is.
How bad is it really then?

I'm sure you'll have no problems sharing the real figures with us.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Nice spin to make it look better than it really is.[/p][/quote]How bad is it really then? I'm sure you'll have no problems sharing the real figures with us. Shoong
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12:22pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why bother working when you can get paid not to.
I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why bother working when you can get paid not to.[/p][/quote]I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state. Georgem
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12:36pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Taskforce 141 says...

When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land!

Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep!

i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others!
When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land! Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep! i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others! Taskforce 141
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12:42pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Georgem wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why bother working when you can get paid not to.
I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state.
What makes you think that people are squandering their life away and "scamming" a few quid from Govt.
.
Yes of course there are a percentage that are like that but i would guess that the vast majority want to work
.
Do you think that many of them want to be in poverty or with children growing up without a role model for later life.
.
Many are the youth of today where there is a real problem in finding work.
.
There have been a couple of poor ideas from the Govt that have failed miserably.
.
But there again EVERYTHING that they put into place fails.
.
Failed ideas from a failed and lousy Tory led coalition

I have great sympathy for them if they are genuinely seeking work but unable to find it
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why bother working when you can get paid not to.[/p][/quote]I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state.[/p][/quote]What makes you think that people are squandering their life away and "scamming" a few quid from Govt. . Yes of course there are a percentage that are like that but i would guess that the vast majority want to work . Do you think that many of them want to be in poverty or with children growing up without a role model for later life. . Many are the youth of today where there is a real problem in finding work. . There have been a couple of poor ideas from the Govt that have failed miserably. . But there again EVERYTHING that they put into place fails. . Failed ideas from a failed and lousy Tory led coalition I have great sympathy for them if they are genuinely seeking work but unable to find it Lone Ranger.
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12:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12

sw8296 says...

So a household where a couple both took early retirement (before 64) is counted as workless?

Given the relative affluence of the region, then we should expect to see a fair number of these?

And perhaps that explains while the IoW has such a high proportion of "workless"?
So a household where a couple both took early retirement (before 64) is counted as workless? Given the relative affluence of the region, then we should expect to see a fair number of these? And perhaps that explains while the IoW has such a high proportion of "workless"? sw8296
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12:58pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Georgem wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why bother working when you can get paid not to.
I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state.
What makes you think that people are squandering their life away and "scamming" a few quid from Govt.
.
Yes of course there are a percentage that are like that but i would guess that the vast majority want to work
.
Do you think that many of them want to be in poverty or with children growing up without a role model for later life.
.
Many are the youth of today where there is a real problem in finding work.
.
There have been a couple of poor ideas from the Govt that have failed miserably.
.
But there again EVERYTHING that they put into place fails.
.
Failed ideas from a failed and lousy Tory led coalition

I have great sympathy for them if they are genuinely seeking work but unable to find it
Labour failed in office to, they failed to change Thatcher policy, many people found that out when Blair moved into number 10 and saying "there wil be no change in Thatcher policy"
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why bother working when you can get paid not to.[/p][/quote]I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state.[/p][/quote]What makes you think that people are squandering their life away and "scamming" a few quid from Govt. . Yes of course there are a percentage that are like that but i would guess that the vast majority want to work . Do you think that many of them want to be in poverty or with children growing up without a role model for later life. . Many are the youth of today where there is a real problem in finding work. . There have been a couple of poor ideas from the Govt that have failed miserably. . But there again EVERYTHING that they put into place fails. . Failed ideas from a failed and lousy Tory led coalition I have great sympathy for them if they are genuinely seeking work but unable to find it[/p][/quote]Labour failed in office to, they failed to change Thatcher policy, many people found that out when Blair moved into number 10 and saying "there wil be no change in Thatcher policy" southy
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12:59pm Mon 10 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here. bigfella777
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1:03pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Georgem wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why bother working when you can get paid not to.
I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state.
What makes you think that people are squandering their life away and "scamming" a few quid from Govt.
.
Yes of course there are a percentage that are like that but i would guess that the vast majority want to work
.
Do you think that many of them want to be in poverty or with children growing up without a role model for later life.
.
Many are the youth of today where there is a real problem in finding work.
.
There have been a couple of poor ideas from the Govt that have failed miserably.
.
But there again EVERYTHING that they put into place fails.
.
Failed ideas from a failed and lousy Tory led coalition

I have great sympathy for them if they are genuinely seeking work but unable to find it
I'm talking specifically about the people bigfella referred to.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why bother working when you can get paid not to.[/p][/quote]I wish they'd take the time to think of some actual answers to that question. The most obvious being "Because I can get paid more for working". It makes me sad that so many people are happy to squander their life, their potential, all for the sake of scamming a few measly pounds out of the state.[/p][/quote]What makes you think that people are squandering their life away and "scamming" a few quid from Govt. . Yes of course there are a percentage that are like that but i would guess that the vast majority want to work . Do you think that many of them want to be in poverty or with children growing up without a role model for later life. . Many are the youth of today where there is a real problem in finding work. . There have been a couple of poor ideas from the Govt that have failed miserably. . But there again EVERYTHING that they put into place fails. . Failed ideas from a failed and lousy Tory led coalition I have great sympathy for them if they are genuinely seeking work but unable to find it[/p][/quote]I'm talking specifically about the people bigfella referred to. Georgem
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1:17pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders. southy
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1:32pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past? Georgem
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1:44pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America. Des Olated
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1:48pm Mon 10 Sep 12

freefinker says...

Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
.. not to mention Italy - d@mn Romans to blame.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote].. not to mention Italy - d@mn Romans to blame. freefinker
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1:53pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears. Georgem
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1:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12

minnie64 says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land! Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep! i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others!
Report them I say
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land! Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep! i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others![/p][/quote]Report them I say minnie64
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2:01pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears? Des Olated
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2:04pm Mon 10 Sep 12

debzy82 says...

I'm wondering if the people who care for their relatives and unable to work as a result of that are being included as none workers.
Individual circumstances should be considered.
I'm wondering if the people who care for their relatives and unable to work as a result of that are being included as none workers. Individual circumstances should be considered. debzy82
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2:40pm Mon 10 Sep 12

mtdiablo says...

In addition to the above, what about those who are disabled and therefore unable to work? You can't just dismiss everyone on benefits as "sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others".
In addition to the above, what about those who are disabled and therefore unable to work? You can't just dismiss everyone on benefits as "sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others". mtdiablo
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2:50pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

mtdiablo wrote:
In addition to the above, what about those who are disabled and therefore unable to work? You can't just dismiss everyone on benefits as "sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others".
Has anybody actually done that?
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: In addition to the above, what about those who are disabled and therefore unable to work? You can't just dismiss everyone on benefits as "sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others".[/p][/quote]Has anybody actually done that? Georgem
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2:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12

mtdiablo says...

Taskforce 141?
Taskforce 141? mtdiablo
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3:09pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

mtdiablo wrote:
Taskforce 141?
Yep. Thanks. Must've got caught by my "stupid post" filter.
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: Taskforce 141?[/p][/quote]Yep. Thanks. Must've got caught by my "stupid post" filter. Georgem
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3:10pm Mon 10 Sep 12

ohec says...

I am afraid the only option is to go back to means testing so you get the minimum possible to live on, it has to be made desirable to work its obscene when people are better off on benefits than those that are working. We also need to change our system so that you have to qualify before you get any benefit, 5 years contributions before any benefit is payable and maximum payable after 10 years contributions and that would apply to all.For people that don't qualify they can earn their benefit by doing supervised community work. We also need childcare places so that young single mums can go to work once a child is 12 months old in order to stop professional mums who think they have a right to keep churning out babies for other people to support. These ideas might seem a bit draconian but drastic measures are required otherwise we are going to have people that never do a days work in their lives and its no good keep saying there are no jobs we have to make people proud to work even if it is flipping burgers or other such jobs that a lot think are beneath them, work creates work but we have to start the ball rolling.
I am afraid the only option is to go back to means testing so you get the minimum possible to live on, it has to be made desirable to work its obscene when people are better off on benefits than those that are working. We also need to change our system so that you have to qualify before you get any benefit, 5 years contributions before any benefit is payable and maximum payable after 10 years contributions and that would apply to all.For people that don't qualify they can earn their benefit by doing supervised community work. We also need childcare places so that young single mums can go to work once a child is 12 months old in order to stop professional mums who think they have a right to keep churning out babies for other people to support. These ideas might seem a bit draconian but drastic measures are required otherwise we are going to have people that never do a days work in their lives and its no good keep saying there are no jobs we have to make people proud to work even if it is flipping burgers or other such jobs that a lot think are beneath them, work creates work but we have to start the ball rolling. ohec
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3:21pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

ohec wrote:
I am afraid the only option is to go back to means testing so you get the minimum possible to live on, it has to be made desirable to work its obscene when people are better off on benefits than those that are working. We also need to change our system so that you have to qualify before you get any benefit, 5 years contributions before any benefit is payable and maximum payable after 10 years contributions and that would apply to all.For people that don't qualify they can earn their benefit by doing supervised community work. We also need childcare places so that young single mums can go to work once a child is 12 months old in order to stop professional mums who think they have a right to keep churning out babies for other people to support. These ideas might seem a bit draconian but drastic measures are required otherwise we are going to have people that never do a days work in their lives and its no good keep saying there are no jobs we have to make people proud to work even if it is flipping burgers or other such jobs that a lot think are beneath them, work creates work but we have to start the ball rolling.
Have to say, talking about "flipping burgers" or the ever-popular "stacking shelves" type jobs like that actually lends weight to the argument that those jobs are menial and beneath a lot of people. We haven't done this generation many favours by promising that if they do well in school, they'll get a job "better than flipping burgers".
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I am afraid the only option is to go back to means testing so you get the minimum possible to live on, it has to be made desirable to work its obscene when people are better off on benefits than those that are working. We also need to change our system so that you have to qualify before you get any benefit, 5 years contributions before any benefit is payable and maximum payable after 10 years contributions and that would apply to all.For people that don't qualify they can earn their benefit by doing supervised community work. We also need childcare places so that young single mums can go to work once a child is 12 months old in order to stop professional mums who think they have a right to keep churning out babies for other people to support. These ideas might seem a bit draconian but drastic measures are required otherwise we are going to have people that never do a days work in their lives and its no good keep saying there are no jobs we have to make people proud to work even if it is flipping burgers or other such jobs that a lot think are beneath them, work creates work but we have to start the ball rolling.[/p][/quote]Have to say, talking about "flipping burgers" or the ever-popular "stacking shelves" type jobs like that actually lends weight to the argument that those jobs are menial and beneath a lot of people. We haven't done this generation many favours by promising that if they do well in school, they'll get a job "better than flipping burgers". Georgem
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3:23pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them. southy
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3:31pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'. Shoong
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3:35pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I don't think anything in the article indicates benefits abusers - as already posted there are numerous reasons people don't work. It's a statement of fact that there are 65000 homes Hants/IOW in this situation and that is a situation that needs addressing.
Randomly posting about tax avoidance (which is completely legal) is utterly pointless.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I don't think anything in the article indicates benefits abusers - as already posted there are numerous reasons people don't work. It's a statement of fact that there are 65000 homes Hants/IOW in this situation and that is a situation that needs addressing. Randomly posting about tax avoidance (which is completely legal) is utterly pointless. Des Olated
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3:37pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'.
Still twisting and wringling there Shoong.
I did not say what your trying to say and far from it.


Lets start at the very top hit those that are costing this country the most first and then work downwards.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'.[/p][/quote]Still twisting and wringling there Shoong. I did not say what your trying to say and far from it. Lets start at the very top hit those that are costing this country the most first and then work downwards. southy
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3:42pm Mon 10 Sep 12

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
Nice spin to make it look better than it really is.
Presume these 65,000 households includes you Southy.
I am sure you said in a previous post you are retired so therefore a 'non worker' for the sake of this survey
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Nice spin to make it look better than it really is.[/p][/quote]Presume these 65,000 households includes you Southy. I am sure you said in a previous post you are retired so therefore a 'non worker' for the sake of this survey phil maccavity
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3:45pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you. Georgem
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3:47pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I don't think anything in the article indicates benefits abusers - as already posted there are numerous reasons people don't work. It's a statement of fact that there are 65000 homes Hants/IOW in this situation and that is a situation that needs addressing.
Randomly posting about tax avoidance (which is completely legal) is utterly pointless.
Southy doesn't understand the difference between tax evasion, and tax avoidance. Watch how he posts something irrelevant about Vodafone in response, as if it proves him right. Note: he also believes the plural of 'anecdote' to be 'evidence'.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I don't think anything in the article indicates benefits abusers - as already posted there are numerous reasons people don't work. It's a statement of fact that there are 65000 homes Hants/IOW in this situation and that is a situation that needs addressing. Randomly posting about tax avoidance (which is completely legal) is utterly pointless.[/p][/quote]Southy doesn't understand the difference between tax evasion, and tax avoidance. Watch how he posts something irrelevant about Vodafone in response, as if it proves him right. Note: he also believes the plural of 'anecdote' to be 'evidence'. Georgem
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3:48pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards. southy
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3:49pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'.
Still twisting and wringling there Shoong.
I did not say what your trying to say and far from it.


Lets start at the very top hit those that are costing this country the most first and then work downwards.
Yep, start at the top, many of whom run businesses, employ many others, bring a lot to the economy of UK plc, yep, they're the ones to go after first.
After that....anyone with a Range Rover
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'.[/p][/quote]Still twisting and wringling there Shoong. I did not say what your trying to say and far from it. Lets start at the very top hit those that are costing this country the most first and then work downwards.[/p][/quote]Yep, start at the top, many of whom run businesses, employ many others, bring a lot to the economy of UK plc, yep, they're the ones to go after first. After that....anyone with a Range Rover Des Olated
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3:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then.

If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.[/p][/quote]I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then. If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse. Georgem
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3:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?
Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do? Georgem
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3:58pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'.
Still twisting and wringling there Shoong.
I did not say what your trying to say and far from it.


Lets start at the very top hit those that are costing this country the most first and then work downwards.
Coming from someone who has next to no understanding of the Tax system (lest we forget the council tax central government saga which you were proved incorrect by more than one person), let alone the difference between tax avoidance & tax evasion, that's a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]Yes, Benefits cheats should be let off because somehow they are 'fighting the system'.[/p][/quote]Still twisting and wringling there Shoong. I did not say what your trying to say and far from it. Lets start at the very top hit those that are costing this country the most first and then work downwards.[/p][/quote]Coming from someone who has next to no understanding of the Tax system (lest we forget the council tax central government saga which you were proved incorrect by more than one person), let alone the difference between tax avoidance & tax evasion, that's a laugh. Shoong
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4:03pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Georgem wrote:
Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?
I wonder how many of the ordinary working class folk who gleefully flock across the channel to pick up their cheap beer, wine, fags etc would consider themselves tax avoiders and targets for Southy's socialist utopia?

OK, I know tax IS paid but they do avoid UK tax
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?[/p][/quote]I wonder how many of the ordinary working class folk who gleefully flock across the channel to pick up their cheap beer, wine, fags etc would consider themselves tax avoiders and targets for Southy's socialist utopia? OK, I know tax IS paid but they do avoid UK tax Des Olated
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4:05pm Mon 10 Sep 12

ohec says...

Georgem wrote:
ohec wrote:
I am afraid the only option is to go back to means testing so you get the minimum possible to live on, it has to be made desirable to work its obscene when people are better off on benefits than those that are working. We also need to change our system so that you have to qualify before you get any benefit, 5 years contributions before any benefit is payable and maximum payable after 10 years contributions and that would apply to all.For people that don't qualify they can earn their benefit by doing supervised community work. We also need childcare places so that young single mums can go to work once a child is 12 months old in order to stop professional mums who think they have a right to keep churning out babies for other people to support. These ideas might seem a bit draconian but drastic measures are required otherwise we are going to have people that never do a days work in their lives and its no good keep saying there are no jobs we have to make people proud to work even if it is flipping burgers or other such jobs that a lot think are beneath them, work creates work but we have to start the ball rolling.
Have to say, talking about "flipping burgers" or the ever-popular "stacking shelves" type jobs like that actually lends weight to the argument that those jobs are menial and beneath a lot of people. We haven't done this generation many favours by promising that if they do well in school, they'll get a job "better than flipping burgers".
I agree we haven't done this generation any favours anymore than the last or the one before its a situation that has been developing for years, for years we have told our children go to university graduate and walk straight into a well paid job and due to a combination of things that is no longer the case, they see footballers / pop stars etc earning crazy money for doing bugger all and their life seems very dull and hard, and to some extent parents are to blame as well for their precious little darlings are worth more than this or that sort of job (maybe they might have a different idea if their little darlings weren't getting any dole money) at the end of the day there is always somebody else to blame it is no longer fashionable to take responsibility for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I am afraid the only option is to go back to means testing so you get the minimum possible to live on, it has to be made desirable to work its obscene when people are better off on benefits than those that are working. We also need to change our system so that you have to qualify before you get any benefit, 5 years contributions before any benefit is payable and maximum payable after 10 years contributions and that would apply to all.For people that don't qualify they can earn their benefit by doing supervised community work. We also need childcare places so that young single mums can go to work once a child is 12 months old in order to stop professional mums who think they have a right to keep churning out babies for other people to support. These ideas might seem a bit draconian but drastic measures are required otherwise we are going to have people that never do a days work in their lives and its no good keep saying there are no jobs we have to make people proud to work even if it is flipping burgers or other such jobs that a lot think are beneath them, work creates work but we have to start the ball rolling.[/p][/quote]Have to say, talking about "flipping burgers" or the ever-popular "stacking shelves" type jobs like that actually lends weight to the argument that those jobs are menial and beneath a lot of people. We haven't done this generation many favours by promising that if they do well in school, they'll get a job "better than flipping burgers".[/p][/quote]I agree we haven't done this generation any favours anymore than the last or the one before its a situation that has been developing for years, for years we have told our children go to university graduate and walk straight into a well paid job and due to a combination of things that is no longer the case, they see footballers / pop stars etc earning crazy money for doing bugger all and their life seems very dull and hard, and to some extent parents are to blame as well for their precious little darlings are worth more than this or that sort of job (maybe they might have a different idea if their little darlings weren't getting any dole money) at the end of the day there is always somebody else to blame it is no longer fashionable to take responsibility for yourself. ohec
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4:16pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?
I wonder how many of the ordinary working class folk who gleefully flock across the channel to pick up their cheap beer, wine, fags etc would consider themselves tax avoiders and targets for Southy's socialist utopia?

OK, I know tax IS paid but they do avoid UK tax
Southy buys his rolling tobacco 'under the counter' but doesn't consider this as tax evasion.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?[/p][/quote]I wonder how many of the ordinary working class folk who gleefully flock across the channel to pick up their cheap beer, wine, fags etc would consider themselves tax avoiders and targets for Southy's socialist utopia? OK, I know tax IS paid but they do avoid UK tax[/p][/quote]Southy buys his rolling tobacco 'under the counter' but doesn't consider this as tax evasion. Torchie1
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4:20pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?
I wonder how many of the ordinary working class folk who gleefully flock across the channel to pick up their cheap beer, wine, fags etc would consider themselves tax avoiders and targets for Southy's socialist utopia?

OK, I know tax IS paid but they do avoid UK tax
Southy buys his rolling tobacco 'under the counter' but doesn't consider this as tax evasion.
standing with the first against the wall then.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?[/p][/quote]I wonder how many of the ordinary working class folk who gleefully flock across the channel to pick up their cheap beer, wine, fags etc would consider themselves tax avoiders and targets for Southy's socialist utopia? OK, I know tax IS paid but they do avoid UK tax[/p][/quote]Southy buys his rolling tobacco 'under the counter' but doesn't consider this as tax evasion.[/p][/quote]standing with the first against the wall then. Des Olated
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4:27pm Mon 10 Sep 12

MegGriffin says...

Are they including those currently out of work (due to reduncancy, sickness, between jobs etc) because there's a difference between that and workless.
Are they including those currently out of work (due to reduncancy, sickness, between jobs etc) because there's a difference between that and workless. MegGriffin
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4:28pm Mon 10 Sep 12

-stiv- says...

Squabbling over benefits is exactly what those in power want us to do. Why even bother looking for the injustices below when there is so much corruption above?

The very fact that someone would be desperate enough to "game" the system speaks volumes as it is.
Squabbling over benefits is exactly what those in power want us to do. Why even bother looking for the injustices below when there is so much corruption above? The very fact that someone would be desperate enough to "game" the system speaks volumes as it is. -stiv-
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4:47pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Thats what you lot get voting tory then aint it!
Thats what you lot get voting tory then aint it! Fatty x Ford Worker
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4:48pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Quite Frankly says...

I don't mind contributing tax payments to fund benefits and the NHS. It is surely the mark of decent society that we do this - to help those less fortunate than all the baying Daily Mail readers on here. Unless I am mistaken, there is not full employment in this country. If Dave and his cronies have their way, there will be many more "workless homes".
I don't mind contributing tax payments to fund benefits and the NHS. It is surely the mark of decent society that we do this - to help those less fortunate than all the baying Daily Mail readers on here. Unless I am mistaken, there is not full employment in this country. If Dave and his cronies have their way, there will be many more "workless homes". Quite Frankly
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4:48pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then.

If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.
It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax.

It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's.
Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years.
Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.[/p][/quote]I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then. If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.[/p][/quote]It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax. It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's. Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years. Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions southy
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4:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Quite Frankly wrote:
I don't mind contributing tax payments to fund benefits and the NHS. It is surely the mark of decent society that we do this - to help those less fortunate than all the baying Daily Mail readers on here. Unless I am mistaken, there is not full employment in this country. If Dave and his cronies have their way, there will be many more "workless homes".
And that go's for most of the people its just those at the top where there are fewer cheats, cheat the country out the most.
[quote][p][bold]Quite Frankly[/bold] wrote: I don't mind contributing tax payments to fund benefits and the NHS. It is surely the mark of decent society that we do this - to help those less fortunate than all the baying Daily Mail readers on here. Unless I am mistaken, there is not full employment in this country. If Dave and his cronies have their way, there will be many more "workless homes".[/p][/quote]And that go's for most of the people its just those at the top where there are fewer cheats, cheat the country out the most. southy
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4:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then.

If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.
It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax.

It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's.
Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years.
Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions
Mate I would get a really good Accountant He or She would put you wise!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.[/p][/quote]I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then. If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.[/p][/quote]It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax. It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's. Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years. Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions[/p][/quote]Mate I would get a really good Accountant He or She would put you wise! Fatty x Ford Worker
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4:53pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then.

If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.
It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax.

It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's.
Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years.
Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions
Supporting figures, please, not just some random numbers.

It isn't as simple as reversing a decision, because many companies affected will simply retract from the country, having other effects on the economy. Do I think this gives companies carte blanche to do as they please tax-wise? No. But it's not going to be as simple as just making them pay the tax.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.[/p][/quote]I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then. If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.[/p][/quote]It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax. It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's. Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years. Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions[/p][/quote]Supporting figures, please, not just some random numbers. It isn't as simple as reversing a decision, because many companies affected will simply retract from the country, having other effects on the economy. Do I think this gives companies carte blanche to do as they please tax-wise? No. But it's not going to be as simple as just making them pay the tax. Georgem
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4:54pm Mon 10 Sep 12

southy says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then.

If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.
It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax.

It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's.
Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years.
Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions
Mate I would get a really good Accountant He or She would put you wise!
That they would on how to pay 20 % or less in Taxes, while the less well off having to pay the full amount.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.[/p][/quote]I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then. If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.[/p][/quote]It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax. It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's. Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years. Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions[/p][/quote]Mate I would get a really good Accountant He or She would put you wise![/p][/quote]That they would on how to pay 20 % or less in Taxes, while the less well off having to pay the full amount. southy
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4:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

My on quibble why oh why has this Goverment keep putting up the Pension age.I am 60 is it a case of leaving the Patio Door wide open for our Eastern Euro Friends easy life then !
My on quibble why oh why has this Goverment keep putting up the Pension age.I am 60 is it a case of leaving the Patio Door wide open for our Eastern Euro Friends easy life then ! Fatty x Ford Worker
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5:06pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then.

If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.
It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax.

It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's.
Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years.
Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions
Supporting figures, please, not just some random numbers.

It isn't as simple as reversing a decision, because many companies affected will simply retract from the country, having other effects on the economy. Do I think this gives companies carte blanche to do as they please tax-wise? No. But it's not going to be as simple as just making them pay the tax.
And, even if Southy's figures stood up to scrutiny would going after tax avoiders help the 65000 homes across the region with no workers in them?
Would it produce more jobs or opportunities? No, more likely just the opposite.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.[/p][/quote]I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then. If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.[/p][/quote]It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax. It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's. Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years. Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions[/p][/quote]Supporting figures, please, not just some random numbers. It isn't as simple as reversing a decision, because many companies affected will simply retract from the country, having other effects on the economy. Do I think this gives companies carte blanche to do as they please tax-wise? No. But it's not going to be as simple as just making them pay the tax.[/p][/quote]And, even if Southy's figures stood up to scrutiny would going after tax avoiders help the 65000 homes across the region with no workers in them? Would it produce more jobs or opportunities? No, more likely just the opposite. Des Olated
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5:06pm Mon 10 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Why does everyone have to ruin every thread with their political viewpoint?
It's so boring no one cares,you all need sex.
Why does everyone have to ruin every thread with their political viewpoint? It's so boring no one cares,you all need sex. bigfella777
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5:07pm Mon 10 Sep 12

freefinker says...

Note how southy has taken the debate off subject yet again.

There are many, many reasons why there are ‘workless homes’ and almost none have anything to do with southy’s made-up numbers and rhetoric.

While unemployment is certainly one reason, others include temporary and permanent sickness, temporary and permanent disability, early retirement, student HMO’s, etc.

There are over 9 million ‘economically inactive’ in the UK and despite what southy believes they are NOT unemployed.
Note how southy has taken the debate off subject yet again. There are many, many reasons why there are ‘workless homes’ and almost none have anything to do with southy’s made-up numbers and rhetoric. While unemployment is certainly one reason, others include temporary and permanent sickness, temporary and permanent disability, early retirement, student HMO’s, etc. There are over 9 million ‘economically inactive’ in the UK and despite what southy believes they are NOT unemployed. freefinker
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6:03pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Bowmore says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land!

Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep!

i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others!
I completely agree that everyone capable of doing some form of work, I a believe there are very few that would not be capable of doing something, should have do something for the community in return for their benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land! Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep! i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others![/p][/quote]I completely agree that everyone capable of doing some form of work, I a believe there are very few that would not be capable of doing something, should have do something for the community in return for their benefits. Bowmore
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6:11pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.
What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.
So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?
Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.
Direct result? I'm all ears.
Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques.
Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?
Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.
I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.
No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much.

Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.
I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then.

If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.
It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax.

It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's.
Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years.
Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions
Mate I would get a really good Accountant He or She would put you wise!
That they would on how to pay 20 % or less in Taxes, while the less well off having to pay the full amount.
Not the less well off. Just people on PAYE. It's perfectly possible to not be especially well off, but still be privvy to some tax avoidance measures.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The UK is like a huge cow that is being milked by anyone who can get here.[/p][/quote]What about went England milk other countrys, took there wealth and bought it back with them, and all those big Tax advoiders.[/p][/quote]So what are you saying? Benefit abuse is ok, because lol colonial past?[/p][/quote]Yes, reap what you sow and all that. Spain has a massive unemployment problem as a direct result of Hernan Cortez's "visit" to South America.[/p][/quote]Direct result? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Yes, apparently in casas all over SPain the unemployed sit around toasting Cortez for providing their countries boundless wealth & weekly unemployment cheques. Same as Southy's UK; maybe you'd see better if you weren't all ears?[/p][/quote]Note Georgem miss the bit about big Tax advioders, who cheats the system far bigger than the benefit abusers, Benefit abusers there is a lot more of them but cost the country far less than Tax advioders and there is so few of them.[/p][/quote]I didn't miss it. I chose not to bother addressing it as you used the term 'tax avoiders' rather than 'tax evaders', and I can't be bothered with yet another round of semantic gymnastics with you.[/p][/quote]No I mean Tax Advioders even lo its legal they to well know what they are doing and its all for there personal greed, Evaders are costing the country half as much. Start at the very top those that are costing the country the most and work down wards.[/p][/quote]I presume you have figures to back up this claim that "tax avoiders" are costing twice as much as "tax evaders". Let's see them, then. If only it was as simple as this, southy. I agree that there are certain companies who aren't paying their fair share of corporation tax. But that problem is a little more complex than "let's make them pay tax". Let's solve something we know we can solve, first. Like rampant benefit abuse.[/p][/quote]It was estimated well over £1 tillion was lost in tax revenue due to Tax advoiders in the year 2009 to 2010, there is over £160 Trillion held in off-shore tax free banking just sitting there and doing nothing apart from colletting tax free interest. then you got on top of that those who pay only 20% tax or less in avoiding paying the full tax. It be far easier and cheaper to solve the Tax adviodence problem first, that just requires putting back the financial strictions that M Thatcher removed in the 80's. Tax evaders is in the £ billions each years. Benefit cheats only amounts to £ millions[/p][/quote]Mate I would get a really good Accountant He or She would put you wise![/p][/quote]That they would on how to pay 20 % or less in Taxes, while the less well off having to pay the full amount.[/p][/quote]Not the less well off. Just people on PAYE. It's perfectly possible to not be especially well off, but still be privvy to some tax avoidance measures. Georgem
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7:01pm Mon 10 Sep 12

George4th says...

Did anyone watch the Paralympics? (or the Olympics)
You can see what is achievable if you try. I admire anyone who tries, really tries...............
Did anyone watch the Paralympics? (or the Olympics) You can see what is achievable if you try. I admire anyone who tries, really tries............... George4th
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8:31am Tue 11 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

Georgem wrote:
Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?
My arms are getting very tired, can I lower them now please?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: Hands up anybody who would like to pay less tax than they currently do?[/p][/quote]My arms are getting very tired, can I lower them now please? Inform Al
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8:34am Tue 11 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

Bowmore wrote:
Taskforce 141 wrote:
When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land!

Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep!

i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others!
I completely agree that everyone capable of doing some form of work, I a believe there are very few that would not be capable of doing something, should have do something for the community in return for their benefits.
And of course if they increased Remploy instead of closing it down some that would dearly like to work will be able to.
[quote][p][bold]Bowmore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land! Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep! i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others![/p][/quote]I completely agree that everyone capable of doing some form of work, I a believe there are very few that would not be capable of doing something, should have do something for the community in return for their benefits.[/p][/quote]And of course if they increased Remploy instead of closing it down some that would dearly like to work will be able to. Inform Al
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9:41am Tue 11 Sep 12

chunky_lover says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why bother working when you can get paid not to.
You'll never make anything of yourself.

You will be labelled, correctly, as scum.

No one will ever respect you.

You will live a pointless existence.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why bother working when you can get paid not to.[/p][/quote]You'll never make anything of yourself. You will be labelled, correctly, as scum. No one will ever respect you. You will live a pointless existence. chunky_lover
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11:33am Tue 11 Sep 12

Cyber__Fug says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why does everyone have to ruin every thread with their political viewpoint?
It's so boring no one cares,you all need sex.
I think the majority here do have sex..... unfortunately they are on their own when they do it ;o)
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why does everyone have to ruin every thread with their political viewpoint? It's so boring no one cares,you all need sex.[/p][/quote]I think the majority here do have sex..... unfortunately they are on their own when they do it ;o) Cyber__Fug
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12:14pm Tue 11 Sep 12

AspieMum says...

sw8296 wrote:
So a household where a couple both took early retirement (before 64) is counted as workless?

Given the relative affluence of the region, then we should expect to see a fair number of these?

And perhaps that explains while the IoW has such a high proportion of "workless"?
Workless households will include households with disabled and their carers- full time carers work very hard and yet their household would be counted as workless unless there is someone else in the household who has a paid job. Their work i unpaid so doesn't count as work even though they have to be doing 35hrs or more a week to count as Carers as well as those they care for must get high or medium levels of care component of DLA or high levels of PIPs.
[quote][p][bold]sw8296[/bold] wrote: So a household where a couple both took early retirement (before 64) is counted as workless? Given the relative affluence of the region, then we should expect to see a fair number of these? And perhaps that explains while the IoW has such a high proportion of "workless"?[/p][/quote]Workless households will include households with disabled and their carers- full time carers work very hard and yet their household would be counted as workless unless there is someone else in the household who has a paid job. Their work i unpaid so doesn't count as work even though they have to be doing 35hrs or more a week to count as Carers as well as those they care for must get high or medium levels of care component of DLA or high levels of PIPs. AspieMum
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12:41pm Tue 11 Sep 12

AspieMum says...

Inform Al wrote:
Bowmore wrote:
Taskforce 141 wrote:
When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land!

Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep!

i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others!
I completely agree that everyone capable of doing some form of work, I a believe there are very few that would not be capable of doing something, should have do something for the community in return for their benefits.
And of course if they increased Remploy instead of closing it down some that would dearly like to work will be able to.
They also need to not force people to quit existing voluntary work, which in some cases is work that will get them experience that will help them get a job, to stack shelves in a shop or such like on Workfare
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bowmore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: When will the government learn, benefits appear to be easy to claim, christ i even know of eastern Europeans over here claiming for children still back in their home land! Whilst I respect the fact that good jobs are few and far between, lets get the work ethic into people - No benefits unless you complaint 16 hours a week unpaid/voluntary work! i dont care if we have to give everyone a broom and black bag - our streets are a disgrace so lets get people out there making a difference and earning their keep! i am fed up of giving up my wages to support sponging inbred losers with no ambition or thought for others![/p][/quote]I completely agree that everyone capable of doing some form of work, I a believe there are very few that would not be capable of doing something, should have do something for the community in return for their benefits.[/p][/quote]And of course if they increased Remploy instead of closing it down some that would dearly like to work will be able to.[/p][/quote]They also need to not force people to quit existing voluntary work, which in some cases is work that will get them experience that will help them get a job, to stack shelves in a shop or such like on Workfare AspieMum
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5:42pm Tue 11 Sep 12

rightway says...

Why not just give the figure for homes where the adults choose not to work, those that are capable to work and those who are unable to work are two very different things.
No-one in their right mind should criticize those unable to work through ill health, early retirement or any other legitimate reason but, the parasites that are happy to grab what they can, giving nothing in return to society should be exposed for the lowlifes they are. This to a greater extent should apply to the mega rich, who regard tax as something that only the less well off pay.
Why not just give the figure for homes where the adults choose not to work, those that are capable to work and those who are unable to work are two very different things. No-one in their right mind should criticize those unable to work through ill health, early retirement or any other legitimate reason but, the parasites that are happy to grab what they can, giving nothing in return to society should be exposed for the lowlifes they are. This to a greater extent should apply to the mega rich, who regard tax as something that only the less well off pay. rightway
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12:17am Wed 12 Sep 12

Georgem says...

rightway wrote:
Why not just give the figure for homes where the adults choose not to work, those that are capable to work and those who are unable to work are two very different things.
No-one in their right mind should criticize those unable to work through ill health, early retirement or any other legitimate reason but, the parasites that are happy to grab what they can, giving nothing in return to society should be exposed for the lowlifes they are. This to a greater extent should apply to the mega rich, who regard tax as something that only the less well off pay.
How do you spot the ones where people choose not to work?
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: Why not just give the figure for homes where the adults choose not to work, those that are capable to work and those who are unable to work are two very different things. No-one in their right mind should criticize those unable to work through ill health, early retirement or any other legitimate reason but, the parasites that are happy to grab what they can, giving nothing in return to society should be exposed for the lowlifes they are. This to a greater extent should apply to the mega rich, who regard tax as something that only the less well off pay.[/p][/quote]How do you spot the ones where people choose not to work? Georgem
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9:51am Wed 12 Sep 12

menotyou says...

I for one am fed up with people saying there are no jobs out there - there are literally thousands! when my husband was mader redundant twice within a year in 2009, he had no choice but to claim benefits for the first time in his life.he claimed jobseekers allowance for 5 months while i went to work having been a full time stay at home mum. he then found a job in the daily echo with a good company (granted he is not on the highest wage but we were still better off than being on benefits.) I then went back to caring for our children full time until our youngest started full time school this week. i found my new job which i also start this week in the daily echo. all rather simple! 2 good jobs for 2 good wages and our children are learning good work ethic. Some people are just plain lazy!
I for one am fed up with people saying there are no jobs out there - there are literally thousands! when my husband was mader redundant twice within a year in 2009, he had no choice but to claim benefits for the first time in his life.he claimed jobseekers allowance for 5 months while i went to work having been a full time stay at home mum. he then found a job in the daily echo with a good company (granted he is not on the highest wage but we were still better off than being on benefits.) I then went back to caring for our children full time until our youngest started full time school this week. i found my new job which i also start this week in the daily echo. all rather simple! 2 good jobs for 2 good wages and our children are learning good work ethic. Some people are just plain lazy! menotyou
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5:31pm Wed 12 Sep 12

rightway says...

Georgem wrote:
rightway wrote: Why not just give the figure for homes where the adults choose not to work, those that are capable to work and those who are unable to work are two very different things. No-one in their right mind should criticize those unable to work through ill health, early retirement or any other legitimate reason but, the parasites that are happy to grab what they can, giving nothing in return to society should be exposed for the lowlifes they are. This to a greater extent should apply to the mega rich, who regard tax as something that only the less well off pay.
How do you spot the ones where people choose not to work?
It shouldn’t really be that difficult.
An in-depth interview that would include looking at work history to see if there was a work history, medical checks to see if someone is physically or mentally capable of work and an educational check to explain to those incapable of understanding that lazyitis is not a medical condition.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: Why not just give the figure for homes where the adults choose not to work, those that are capable to work and those who are unable to work are two very different things. No-one in their right mind should criticize those unable to work through ill health, early retirement or any other legitimate reason but, the parasites that are happy to grab what they can, giving nothing in return to society should be exposed for the lowlifes they are. This to a greater extent should apply to the mega rich, who regard tax as something that only the less well off pay.[/p][/quote]How do you spot the ones where people choose not to work?[/p][/quote]It shouldn’t really be that difficult. An in-depth interview that would include looking at work history to see if there was a work history, medical checks to see if someone is physically or mentally capable of work and an educational check to explain to those incapable of understanding that lazyitis is not a medical condition. rightway
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