Queen to meet Martin McGuinness

Daily Echo: Martin McGuinness Martin McGuinness

THE Queen will meet Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness next week and shake hands in an historic first for the Northern Ireland peace process, it was confirmed today.

The Deputy First Minister will attend a cross border event in Belfast on Wednesday, which the President of Ireland, Michael D Higgins, will also attend.

Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams said the decision had been taken by the party's ruling council at a four hour meeting in Dublin after consulting with grass roots support.

The Northern Ireland Deputy First Minister, a chief negotiator for Sinn Fein during tough talks to bring the IRA terror campaign to an end, turned down an invitation to meet the Queen during her visit to Ireland last year.

During that trip, the Queen won over many people by paying her respects to Ireland's patriot dead at the Garden of Remembrance in Dublin, among many other significant engagements.

The meeting and handshake will be a particularly poignant moment for the Queen whose cousin Lord Louis Mountbatten was murdered by the IRA in 1979. Mr McGuinness is a former IRA commander.

Lord Mountbatten, whose country seat was at Broadlands in Romsey, was blown up by an IRA bomb while on a boat during a holiday in Ireland.

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4:29pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Waiting says...

Lets try again!
It must be very strange to shake hands with a man who would certainly have killed you 20 years ago had the opportunity arisen.
Lets try again! It must be very strange to shake hands with a man who would certainly have killed you 20 years ago had the opportunity arisen. Waiting

4:32pm Fri 22 Jun 12

SOLENTDRIFTER says...

SHAKE HANDS WITH THE DEVIL - YOU JUST GOT TO BE JOKING - HAS SHE AT LAST LOST IT UP-TOP ?????.....
SHAKE HANDS WITH THE DEVIL - YOU JUST GOT TO BE JOKING - HAS SHE AT LAST LOST IT UP-TOP ?????..... SOLENTDRIFTER

4:38pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

1RA NOO NOO cowards !
1RA NOO NOO cowards ! Fatty x Ford Worker

4:55pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Pistol Pete do you remember Him!
Pistol Pete do you remember Him! Fatty x Ford Worker

4:58pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

This is deeply going to offend an awful lot of people!
This is deeply going to offend an awful lot of people! IronLady2010

5:06pm Fri 22 Jun 12

On the inside says...

This is nothing for Brenda, she does not care who she shakes hands with. She even knighted Ceausesau. This is a significant step for the republicans and is both a true gesture of political maturity and a committment to peace.
This is nothing for Brenda, she does not care who she shakes hands with. She even knighted Ceausesau. This is a significant step for the republicans and is both a true gesture of political maturity and a committment to peace. On the inside

5:42pm Fri 22 Jun 12

freefinker says...

On the inside wrote:
This is nothing for Brenda, she does not care who she shakes hands with. She even knighted Ceausesau. This is a significant step for the republicans and is both a true gesture of political maturity and a committment to peace.
.. hear hear.
The 'troubles' are over.
Nobody had right on their side.
Both eventually saw the futility of it all.
Both negotiated to end it.
Glad it's happening - progress.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: This is nothing for Brenda, she does not care who she shakes hands with. She even knighted Ceausesau. This is a significant step for the republicans and is both a true gesture of political maturity and a committment to peace.[/p][/quote].. hear hear. The 'troubles' are over. Nobody had right on their side. Both eventually saw the futility of it all. Both negotiated to end it. Glad it's happening - progress. freefinker

5:53pm Fri 22 Jun 12

rightway says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
This is deeply going to offend an awful lot of people!
For once I find myself in the strange position of agreeing with you.

He should never shake the old parasites hand.

How many deaths have royalilty been responsible for over the generations.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: This is deeply going to offend an awful lot of people![/p][/quote]For once I find myself in the strange position of agreeing with you. He should never shake the old parasites hand. How many deaths have royalilty been responsible for over the generations. rightway

6:15pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Condor Man says...

Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.
Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made. Condor Man

6:24pm Fri 22 Jun 12

SaintJoeBhoy90 says...

I could not agree more with you! As a republican it's a sight I would have thought I would never see in my life. I do not condone anything the IRA have done in the past, however, royals are just as bad, with the innocent people they have executed over the years making them just as bad as the IRA
I could not agree more with you! As a republican it's a sight I would have thought I would never see in my life. I do not condone anything the IRA have done in the past, however, royals are just as bad, with the innocent people they have executed over the years making them just as bad as the IRA SaintJoeBhoy90

6:55pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Mr Price says...

For the future children and their children this is a very positive step..not a cowardly act. Innocents life's were lost on both sides. As Edwin Starr said War what is it good for absolutely
nothing.
For the future children and their children this is a very positive step..not a cowardly act. Innocents life's were lost on both sides. As Edwin Starr said War what is it good for absolutely nothing. Mr Price

7:39pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Torchie1 says...

On the inside wrote:
This is nothing for Brenda, she does not care who she shakes hands with. She even knighted Ceausesau. This is a significant step for the republicans and is both a true gesture of political maturity and a committment to peace.
Nicolae Ceaușescu was only awarded an honorary knighthood which he was stripped of in 1989 before his own people executed him.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: This is nothing for Brenda, she does not care who she shakes hands with. She even knighted Ceausesau. This is a significant step for the republicans and is both a true gesture of political maturity and a committment to peace.[/p][/quote]Nicolae Ceaușescu was only awarded an honorary knighthood which he was stripped of in 1989 before his own people executed him. Torchie1

9:15pm Fri 22 Jun 12

TheJoiners says...

I cant believe such a parasite is going to be in the same room, let alone shake hands.
Hang your head in shame Martin
I cant believe such a parasite is going to be in the same room, let alone shake hands. Hang your head in shame Martin TheJoiners

10:20pm Fri 22 Jun 12

bigal007 says...

Condor Man wrote:
Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.
what about are army men and women who have ben killed by this man lets not foget he was the most wanted man once

i think its wrong the queen will meet this man as people have died for the queen and she going to meet this man WRONG
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.[/p][/quote]what about are army men and women who have ben killed by this man lets not foget he was the most wanted man once i think its wrong the queen will meet this man as people have died for the queen and she going to meet this man WRONG bigal007

11:02pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

The question we should be asking is..... Did our Queen order the killing of innocent people and in turn did the IRA order the killing of innocent people.

As I said previously, many will be offended by this gesture of peace, which is happening behind closed doors, so no-one can witness?
The question we should be asking is..... Did our Queen order the killing of innocent people and in turn did the IRA order the killing of innocent people. As I said previously, many will be offended by this gesture of peace, which is happening behind closed doors, so no-one can witness? IronLady2010

11:11pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there!

Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public.

Has the Queen ever ordered similar events?
I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there! Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public. Has the Queen ever ordered similar events? IronLady2010

11:14pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Velleity says...

I notice the nay-sayers (on both sides) are obsessed with the past.

I'm sure the world would be a better place if people looked forward instead. Sounds like at least two people are prepared to do so.
I notice the nay-sayers (on both sides) are obsessed with the past. I'm sure the world would be a better place if people looked forward instead. Sounds like at least two people are prepared to do so. Velleity

11:19pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

Velleity wrote:
I notice the nay-sayers (on both sides) are obsessed with the past.

I'm sure the world would be a better place if people looked forward instead. Sounds like at least two people are prepared to do so.
I guess we shouldn't dwell on the past. Shame Ireland Police have to drive around in armoured vehicles though.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I notice the nay-sayers (on both sides) are obsessed with the past. I'm sure the world would be a better place if people looked forward instead. Sounds like at least two people are prepared to do so.[/p][/quote]I guess we shouldn't dwell on the past. Shame Ireland Police have to drive around in armoured vehicles though. IronLady2010

11:30pm Fri 22 Jun 12

bazzeroz says...

Is this the first murdering 8astard she's shaken hands with? He's nothing but a thug. Always was and always will be.
Is this the first murdering 8astard she's shaken hands with? He's nothing but a thug. Always was and always will be. bazzeroz

11:36pm Fri 22 Jun 12

freefinker says...

bigal007 wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.
what about are army men and women who have ben killed by this man lets not foget he was the most wanted man once

i think its wrong the queen will meet this man as people have died for the queen and she going to meet this man WRONG
.. and what about the innocent civilians killed by the army/police? Scarman Report.

No one in this conflict had right on their side and both committed atrocities.

I’m just glad that in the end all combatants realised there could be no winners and they negotiated an end to ‘the troubles’.

This handshake is just a continuing part of the normalisation of the relations between all sides in this civil war.

Bring it on.
[quote][p][bold]bigal007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.[/p][/quote]what about are army men and women who have ben killed by this man lets not foget he was the most wanted man once i think its wrong the queen will meet this man as people have died for the queen and she going to meet this man WRONG[/p][/quote].. and what about the innocent civilians killed by the army/police? Scarman Report. No one in this conflict had right on their side and both committed atrocities. I’m just glad that in the end all combatants realised there could be no winners and they negotiated an end to ‘the troubles’. This handshake is just a continuing part of the normalisation of the relations between all sides in this civil war. Bring it on. freefinker

11:39pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

SaintJoeBhoy90 wrote:
I could not agree more with you! As a republican it's a sight I would have thought I would never see in my life. I do not condone anything the IRA have done in the past, however, royals are just as bad, with the innocent people they have executed over the years making them just as bad as the IRA
I bet the last couple of weeks have made you want to spew, big time. Your comment is comical in the extreme. You are in a circus, the clown?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJoeBhoy90[/bold] wrote: I could not agree more with you! As a republican it's a sight I would have thought I would never see in my life. I do not condone anything the IRA have done in the past, however, royals are just as bad, with the innocent people they have executed over the years making them just as bad as the IRA[/p][/quote]I bet the last couple of weeks have made you want to spew, big time. Your comment is comical in the extreme. You are in a circus, the clown? Sir Ad E Noid

11:39pm Fri 22 Jun 12

freefinker says...

bazzeroz wrote:
Is this the first murdering 8astard she's shaken hands with? He's nothing but a thug. Always was and always will be.
.. no, she's shaken hand with the war criminal Blair.
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Is this the first murdering 8astard she's shaken hands with? He's nothing but a thug. Always was and always will be.[/p][/quote].. no, she's shaken hand with the war criminal Blair. freefinker

11:49pm Fri 22 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be! IronLady2010

12:04am Sat 23 Jun 12

freefinker says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed? freefinker

12:08am Sat 23 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again.

I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed?[/p][/quote]But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again. I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture. IronLady2010

12:10am Sat 23 Jun 12

freefinker says...

freefinker wrote:
bigal007 wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.
what about are army men and women who have ben killed by this man lets not foget he was the most wanted man once

i think its wrong the queen will meet this man as people have died for the queen and she going to meet this man WRONG
.. and what about the innocent civilians killed by the army/police? Scarman Report.

No one in this conflict had right on their side and both committed atrocities.

I’m just glad that in the end all combatants realised there could be no winners and they negotiated an end to ‘the troubles’.

This handshake is just a continuing part of the normalisation of the relations between all sides in this civil war.

Bring it on.
.. oops, it's late.
I meant the Saville Inquiry.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigal007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.[/p][/quote]what about are army men and women who have ben killed by this man lets not foget he was the most wanted man once i think its wrong the queen will meet this man as people have died for the queen and she going to meet this man WRONG[/p][/quote].. and what about the innocent civilians killed by the army/police? Scarman Report. No one in this conflict had right on their side and both committed atrocities. I’m just glad that in the end all combatants realised there could be no winners and they negotiated an end to ‘the troubles’. This handshake is just a continuing part of the normalisation of the relations between all sides in this civil war. Bring it on.[/p][/quote].. oops, it's late. I meant the Saville Inquiry. freefinker

12:14am Sat 23 Jun 12

freefinker says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again.

I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.
.. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed.

That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed?[/p][/quote]But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again. I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.[/p][/quote].. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed. That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture. freefinker

12:20am Sat 23 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again.

I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.
.. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed.

That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.
I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture.

Time will tell...........
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed?[/p][/quote]But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again. I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.[/p][/quote].. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed. That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.[/p][/quote]I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture. Time will tell........... IronLady2010

12:22am Sat 23 Jun 12

freefinker says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again.

I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.
.. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed.

That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.
I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture.

Time will tell...........
.. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: -
1) Dissident Republicans.
2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter.

If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed?[/p][/quote]But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again. I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.[/p][/quote].. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed. That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.[/p][/quote]I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture. Time will tell...........[/p][/quote].. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: - 1) Dissident Republicans. 2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter. If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority. freefinker

12:32am Sat 23 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again.

I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.
.. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed.

That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.
I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture.

Time will tell...........
.. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: -
1) Dissident Republicans.
2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter.

If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter, but I can understand how some will hold a sour taste.

I'm more than happy to have peace! I welcome peace and encourage it.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed?[/p][/quote]But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again. I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.[/p][/quote].. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed. That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.[/p][/quote]I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture. Time will tell...........[/p][/quote].. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: - 1) Dissident Republicans. 2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter. If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter, but I can understand how some will hold a sour taste. I'm more than happy to have peace! I welcome peace and encourage it. IronLady2010

12:38am Sat 23 Jun 12

freefinker says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again.

I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.
.. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed.

That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.
I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture.

Time will tell...........
.. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: -
1) Dissident Republicans.
2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter.

If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter, but I can understand how some will hold a sour taste.

I'm more than happy to have peace! I welcome peace and encourage it.
.. no, wasn't aimed at you. You have made it clear throughout you want the peace to continue.
The 'sour taste' brigade needs to get real.
The troubles are over, rejoice.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed?[/p][/quote]But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again. I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.[/p][/quote].. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed. That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.[/p][/quote]I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture. Time will tell...........[/p][/quote].. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: - 1) Dissident Republicans. 2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter. If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter, but I can understand how some will hold a sour taste. I'm more than happy to have peace! I welcome peace and encourage it.[/p][/quote].. no, wasn't aimed at you. You have made it clear throughout you want the peace to continue. The 'sour taste' brigade needs to get real. The troubles are over, rejoice. freefinker

12:44am Sat 23 Jun 12

Beer Monster says...

Good, I hope that the tremendous work started by Mo Mowlem won't have been in vain. As someone whose entire maternal family is Irish, I'd be disillusioned if we should step backwards now.

I'd prefer a united Ireland personally, given that it was my sovereignty that essentially destroyed it in the first place, but if we have a chance to secure peace then we should take it.
Good, I hope that the tremendous work started by Mo Mowlem won't have been in vain. As someone whose entire maternal family is Irish, I'd be disillusioned if we should step backwards now. I'd prefer a united Ireland personally, given that it was my sovereignty that essentially destroyed it in the first place, but if we have a chance to secure peace then we should take it. Beer Monster

6:49am Sat 23 Jun 12

Mr Price says...

Beer Monster wrote:
Good, I hope that the tremendous work started by Mo Mowlem won't have been in vain. As someone whose entire maternal family is Irish, I'd be disillusioned if we should step backwards now.

I'd prefer a united Ireland personally, given that it was my sovereignty that essentially destroyed it in the first place, but if we have a chance to secure peace then we should take it.
Very Well Said.
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: Good, I hope that the tremendous work started by Mo Mowlem won't have been in vain. As someone whose entire maternal family is Irish, I'd be disillusioned if we should step backwards now. I'd prefer a united Ireland personally, given that it was my sovereignty that essentially destroyed it in the first place, but if we have a chance to secure peace then we should take it.[/p][/quote]Very Well Said. Mr Price

8:43am Sat 23 Jun 12

Linesman says...

Condor Man wrote:
Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.
Brief, and to the point. I agree.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.[/p][/quote]Brief, and to the point. I agree. Linesman

9:53am Sat 23 Jun 12

bazzeroz says...

20 years ago a friend of mine who is NI born a bred was in the British army. He returned for a family funeral and was told: 'sorry for your loss but when the funerals over don't bother stopping for the wake' He assures me this would be the same today! Peace, my arse.
20 years ago a friend of mine who is NI born a bred was in the British army. He returned for a family funeral and was told: 'sorry for your loss but when the funerals over don't bother stopping for the wake' He assures me this would be the same today! Peace, my arse. bazzeroz

9:56am Sat 23 Jun 12

bazzeroz says...

ps. Lets hope he can wipe the blood from his hands sufficiently to call them clean!
ps. Lets hope he can wipe the blood from his hands sufficiently to call them clean! bazzeroz

10:27am Sat 23 Jun 12

freefinker says...

bazzeroz wrote:
ps. Lets hope he can wipe the blood from his hands sufficiently to call them clean!
.. who hasn't got blood on their hands from 'the troubles'?

Certainly the UK government has - Saville Inquiry et al.

And who is the 'figurehead' for the UK government?

bazzeroz, you need to get a grip. The troubles are over. The Republicans, the Loyalists and the UK government have all buried the hatchet. All of them did horrendous things - but that's war for you.
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: ps. Lets hope he can wipe the blood from his hands sufficiently to call them clean![/p][/quote].. who hasn't got blood on their hands from 'the troubles'? Certainly the UK government has - Saville Inquiry et al. And who is the 'figurehead' for the UK government? bazzeroz, you need to get a grip. The troubles are over. The Republicans, the Loyalists and the UK government have all buried the hatchet. All of them did horrendous things - but that's war for you. freefinker

2:15pm Sat 23 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

If lessons are learnt from most difficult history of recent past, and both sides are willing to start finding solutions to real problems of ordinary decent people of Ireland and start resolving their differences through civilised peaceful dialogue then the Head of British state shaking hand with former opponent can only be a small but important step in the right direction.

As believer in Maharma Gandhi I have always opposed imperialism so have sympathy with those who want to reunite Ireland. 

Rather than furthering that cause the violence from both sides has only done damage. So hardly surprising that when people of Ireland were asked they opted to co-exist.

Yes it may not be popular with certain sections of our society who still believe in undemocratic systems, which do not elect even the head of state, but some of us will keep on supporting peaceful campaigns for uniting Ireland. 

Hope men and women of violence do not ever get the chance to spoil things ever again.

Could some Irish contributor on this site who also believes in re uniting Ireland explain his/her views why they are very rightly keen to oppose British rule in the North and still want to sacrifice their sovereignty at the alter of super state of Europe, the undemocratic most corrupt the EU? 
If lessons are learnt from most difficult history of recent past, and both sides are willing to start finding solutions to real problems of ordinary decent people of Ireland and start resolving their differences through civilised peaceful dialogue then the Head of British state shaking hand with former opponent can only be a small but important step in the right direction. As believer in Maharma Gandhi I have always opposed imperialism so have sympathy with those who want to reunite Ireland.  Rather than furthering that cause the violence from both sides has only done damage. So hardly surprising that when people of Ireland were asked they opted to co-exist. Yes it may not be popular with certain sections of our society who still believe in undemocratic systems, which do not elect even the head of state, but some of us will keep on supporting peaceful campaigns for uniting Ireland.  Hope men and women of violence do not ever get the chance to spoil things ever again. Could some Irish contributor on this site who also believes in re uniting Ireland explain his/her views why they are very rightly keen to oppose British rule in the North and still want to sacrifice their sovereignty at the alter of super state of Europe, the undemocratic most corrupt the EU?  Paramjit Bahia

4:51pm Sat 23 Jun 12

dockboy says...

Catholics in the north of Ireland will never accept an English sovereign as the head of state.
No matter how many Scots were sent to colonise the north of Ireland, Ireland belongs to the Irish and until this happens there will always be those willing to fight for, and those willing to fight against it.
It's human nature to oppose the will of others.
Catholics in the north of Ireland will never accept an English sovereign as the head of state. No matter how many Scots were sent to colonise the north of Ireland, Ireland belongs to the Irish and until this happens there will always be those willing to fight for, and those willing to fight against it. It's human nature to oppose the will of others. dockboy

5:24pm Sat 23 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

dockboy wrote:
Catholics in the north of Ireland will never accept an English sovereign as the head of state.
No matter how many Scots were sent to colonise the north of Ireland, Ireland belongs to the Irish and until this happens there will always be those willing to fight for, and those willing to fight against it.
It's human nature to oppose the will of others.
... and they are welcome to it.
[quote][p][bold]dockboy[/bold] wrote: Catholics in the north of Ireland will never accept an English sovereign as the head of state. No matter how many Scots were sent to colonise the north of Ireland, Ireland belongs to the Irish and until this happens there will always be those willing to fight for, and those willing to fight against it. It's human nature to oppose the will of others.[/p][/quote]... and they are welcome to it. OSPREYSAINT

5:26pm Sat 23 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Linesman wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.
Brief, and to the point. I agree.
This war is nearly over, who can we fight for and against next?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.[/p][/quote]Brief, and to the point. I agree.[/p][/quote]This war is nearly over, who can we fight for and against next? OSPREYSAINT

5:28pm Sat 23 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event.

We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds.

The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be!
.. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement.

Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Surely, this is to be welcomed?
But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again.

I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.
.. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed.

That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.
I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture.

Time will tell...........
.. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: -
1) Dissident Republicans.
2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter.

If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter, but I can understand how some will hold a sour taste.

I'm more than happy to have peace! I welcome peace and encourage it.
Spot on IL, just wish everyone else would realise that this is the path the majority want, but I suspect will never get, because there are always a few fanatics out there that cannot see the light and change their ways.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Why, when this peace process is over, do they need to bring up such an event. We're at peace, let's not bring up old wounds. The Commander of the most awful IRA is happy, so let it be![/p][/quote].. because it's a highly significant event in the history of the Republican movement. Despite their ultimate aim of a united Ireland, this is another large step in rejecting violence on their part, whilst accepting the de facto political reality that they actually live in a monarchy that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Surely, this is to be welcomed?[/p][/quote]But if we're all happy as we are, why open up the wound again. I very much welcome peace, but many will be offended by this honest gesture.[/p][/quote].. despite the relative peace in Northern Ireland, 'the wounds' have not yet all been healed. That takes both time and positive gestures - and this is one such gesture.[/p][/quote]I feel the wounds are opening again, by this gesture. Time will tell...........[/p][/quote].. and the 'many (who) will be offended by this honest gesture' consist of: - 1) Dissident Republicans. 2) Those on ‘our side’ who are likewise still bitter. If this act of reconciliation offends them, so be it. They are a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter, but I can understand how some will hold a sour taste. I'm more than happy to have peace! I welcome peace and encourage it.[/p][/quote]Spot on IL, just wish everyone else would realise that this is the path the majority want, but I suspect will never get, because there are always a few fanatics out there that cannot see the light and change their ways. OSPREYSAINT

5:54pm Sat 23 Jun 12

rightway says...

Condor Man wrote:
Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.
Progress will only be made when those who think their opinion matters get their facts right.
Northern Ireland and Ulster are not the same.
Ulster is one of the four ancient kingdoms of Ireland, parts of which are in the Republic of Ireland.

Just thought I’d throw a little education into the debate.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Progress in Ulster has only been made by former enemies burying the hatchet. If the Queen does this it's a sign that progress is being made.[/p][/quote]Progress will only be made when those who think their opinion matters get their facts right. Northern Ireland and Ulster are not the same. Ulster is one of the four ancient kingdoms of Ireland, parts of which are in the Republic of Ireland. Just thought I’d throw a little education into the debate. rightway

7:00pm Sat 23 Jun 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there!

Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public.

Has the Queen ever ordered similar events?
loyalist death squads might be a good starting point , over a thousand unarmed civillians murdered , but cromwell started the slaughter of millions of irish men and women , hope this seals the peace for good .
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there! Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public. Has the Queen ever ordered similar events?[/p][/quote]loyalist death squads might be a good starting point , over a thousand unarmed civillians murdered , but cromwell started the slaughter of millions of irish men and women , hope this seals the peace for good . arthur dalyrimple

8:22pm Sat 23 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there!

Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public.

Has the Queen ever ordered similar events?
loyalist death squads might be a good starting point , over a thousand unarmed civillians murdered , but cromwell started the slaughter of millions of irish men and women , hope this seals the peace for good .
Bognor Regis, August 13th 1994, an incendiary bomb it was, resulted in many thousands of pounds of improvement to the shopping area where it was set off!
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there! Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public. Has the Queen ever ordered similar events?[/p][/quote]loyalist death squads might be a good starting point , over a thousand unarmed civillians murdered , but cromwell started the slaughter of millions of irish men and women , hope this seals the peace for good .[/p][/quote]Bognor Regis, August 13th 1994, an incendiary bomb it was, resulted in many thousands of pounds of improvement to the shopping area where it was set off! OSPREYSAINT

8:39pm Sat 23 Jun 12

rightway says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote: I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there! Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public. Has the Queen ever ordered similar events?
loyalist death squads might be a good starting point , over a thousand unarmed civillians murdered , but cromwell started the slaughter of millions of irish men and women , hope this seals the peace for good .
Not forgeting the "alleged" shoot to kill policy of the crown forces.
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I remember clearly the day the IRA placed a bomb in Bognor Regis. It was placed on a bike, parked in a stand at shop closing time. I was there! Not sure what the purpose was, other than to cause injury to innocent public. Has the Queen ever ordered similar events?[/p][/quote]loyalist death squads might be a good starting point , over a thousand unarmed civillians murdered , but cromwell started the slaughter of millions of irish men and women , hope this seals the peace for good .[/p][/quote]Not forgeting the "alleged" shoot to kill policy of the crown forces. rightway

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