Staff member at Antelope House called Hannah Groves 'a waste of space' before she took her own life

Mental health worker described tragic Hannah who took her own life 'a waste of space'

Mental health worker described tragic Hannah who took her own life 'a waste of space'

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A MENTAL health worker described a woman as a “waste of space” in a foul mouthed outburst just hours before the woman took her own life, an inquest heard.

Hannah Groves wanted treatment at a specialist mental health unit in Southampton after saying she wanted to kill herself but she was told there was no space.

She had been arrested by police under the Mental Health Act but was sent home after staff from Antelope House decided not to assess her.

The inquest was told how a mental health team worker had told the police detention officer that he knew Hannah and described her as a “f***ing waste of space” and a “time waster”.

Tragically Hannah, 20, was found dead at her mum’s home in Southampton hours later.

Her family believes the promising student would still be alive if her mental illness had been taken seriously.

The inquest in Southampton heard how Hannah suddenly suffered a severe bout of depression in the fortnight before she was found hanged.

Before this the foreign language student had never displayed any sign of mental illness. But in the week before her death she tried to take her life on several occasions, the inquest heard.

Detective Sergeant Matt Taylor told Southampton Coroner’s Court that an examination of Hannah’s computer found she had searched the Internet with phrases such as “no emotions”, “disassociated identity disorder”, depersonalisation and “no feeling”.

He said other searches included “why the brain stops functioning”, “causes of mental disorder” and “dropping out of university”.

Hannah had moved back to her mum’s home in Shirley after switching from the University of Kent to the University of Southampton to be near her boyfriend but the inquest heard she had been struggling with her studies.

During the week before her death on October 22 last year, following repeated bids to take her own life, she was assessed as being fine to return home.

The inquest heard that Hannah had gone to Southampton General Hospital’s accident and emergency (A&E) department on October 19 after two suicide attempts in three days.

Trainee GP Dr Hannah Yates described her patient as being “clear in expressing that she could not see any way out other than suicide” and that she was explaining herself rationally.

Dr Yates then had a telephone conversation with mental health nurse Hannah Miscroft- Bloomfield in which she highlighted a number of “red flag” issues about what had happened during the day.

She said that the initial advice she was given was that Hannah should be discharged without an assessment having undergone a number of them in recent days already.

Dr Yates said she felt “uncomfortable” with the decision and asked for it to be expressed in writing and faxed to her department.

But following a second conversation it was agreed that an assessment would be made that night, she told the inquest.

Giving evidence, Ms Miscroft- Bloomfield said she and colleague had gone to A&E and they felt “there was not a significant problem” with Hannah and that it was “reasonable” for her to go home.

She said the conversation with Dr Yates was merely “talking through possibilities”.

She admitted to swearing after a heated telephone conversation with Hannah’s mother, Mandy Park, over where her daughter should stay that night and conceded that Hannah had heard what she said while lying in her hospital bed.

However, she denied hearing Hannah referred to as a “waste of time” and an “attention seeker” and said she was “extremely surprised and shocked” to hear the allegation.

Earlier GP Dr Susan Robinson, who saw Hannah at Regents Park Surgery after she had tried to commit suicide, told the inquest she had wanted help.

She said: “In my opinion she was not somebody who needed to be sectioned. She was accepting help. In my view she was seeking attention, but not attention seeking.”

Hannah was eventually arrested in the early hours of October 22 after making threats to kill herself and her mother, the inquest was told.

PC David Maidment visited Hannah’s home in Elms Drive and said Hannah explained she wanted to go to Antelope House for treatment. But officers were informed there was no room at Antelope House.

PC Maidment said he explained Hannah could be arrested under the Mental Health Act after she refused to go to the A&E department to be checked over.

She was taken into custody at Southampton Central police station where Christopher Taylor, an approved medical practitioner, was stationed for the day. It was here it was claimed a detention officer Ross Blackwood allegedly heard a member of the mental health team describe Hannah as a “f***ing waste of space”, the inquest heard.

At the inquest, solicitor Nick Fairweather asked Mr Taylor: “Someone in the team had described her as an effing waste of space. Did you hear anyone use phrases akin to that? Are you surprised to hear that?”

Mr Taylor said: “I am disgusted.”

The inquest heard Mr Taylor did not fill out a progress note on Hannah’s assessment in custody until the day after she died and failed to enter she had taken her own life.

Mr Fairweather said: “By the time you completed this form you knew that Hannah was dead. Why is that not mentioned in the form?”

Mr Taylor replied: “Because I am basing the time on when I did the assessment. It’s an error on my part not to record it.”

Giving evidence, Dr Thomas Schlich, lead consultant psychiatrist based at Antelope House, expressed his abhorrence at claims a mental health worker used derogatory language to describe Hannah.

He said: “I was not aware of this. There is no place for someone working in mental health who makes comments in those kinds of settings.”

Coroner Keith Wiseman adjourned the inquest until August 15 when he will deliver his verdict.

  • Additional reporting by Patrick Knox

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11:51am Mon 29 Jul 13

sotonwinch09 says...

Echo - Hannah was not arrested. The police do not arrest under the Mental Health Act. The simply detain the person under sec 136 and take them to a place of safety.
Echo - Hannah was not arrested. The police do not arrest under the Mental Health Act. The simply detain the person under sec 136 and take them to a place of safety. sotonwinch09
  • Score: 5

11:52am Mon 29 Jul 13

ToastyTea says...

Very sad
Very sad ToastyTea
  • Score: 5

12:22pm Mon 29 Jul 13

speedyuk says...

The mental health teams need to get their arses kicked if this was a police officer there would be hell!!! And when they detain someone antelope house beer take them for assessment as they should they take them to custody overnight which distresses patient even more custody is not a appropriate place of safety the mental health units are !!!! When it all goes wrong when they don't section them the bex day and something like this happens it's always the police that get investigated !!! I only know this as I have a lot of ex police officers as friends
The mental health teams need to get their arses kicked if this was a police officer there would be hell!!! And when they detain someone antelope house beer take them for assessment as they should they take them to custody overnight which distresses patient even more custody is not a appropriate place of safety the mental health units are !!!! When it all goes wrong when they don't section them the bex day and something like this happens it's always the police that get investigated !!! I only know this as I have a lot of ex police officers as friends speedyuk
  • Score: -6

12:27pm Mon 29 Jul 13

speedyuk says...

Sorry bout the typing errors I hope something positive comes of this situation the mental Health system is short staffed and it needs to be addressed its costing lives
Sorry bout the typing errors I hope something positive comes of this situation the mental Health system is short staffed and it needs to be addressed its costing lives speedyuk
  • Score: -11

12:32pm Mon 29 Jul 13

sparkster says...

0ne of the worst things you can say to anyone with a mental illness is that they are a waste of space. I hope this so called mental health worker gets a good bo()&%$ng and i hope he never has the misfortune to suffer with mental health problems, one of the most misunderstood illnesses around
0ne of the worst things you can say to anyone with a mental illness is that they are a waste of space. I hope this so called mental health worker gets a good bo()&%$ng and i hope he never has the misfortune to suffer with mental health problems, one of the most misunderstood illnesses around sparkster
  • Score: 30

12:34pm Mon 29 Jul 13

speedyuk says...

Here here !!
Here here !! speedyuk
  • Score: -6

12:58pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Hector2004 says...

If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why. Hector2004
  • Score: -20

12:58pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Hector2004 says...

If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why. Hector2004
  • Score: -18

2:24pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

speedyuk wrote:
The mental health teams need to get their arses kicked if this was a police officer there would be hell!!! And when they detain someone antelope house beer take them for assessment as they should they take them to custody overnight which distresses patient even more custody is not a appropriate place of safety the mental health units are !!!! When it all goes wrong when they don't section them the bex day and something like this happens it's always the police that get investigated !!! I only know this as I have a lot of ex police officers as friends
So, speedyuk. One member of staff, allegedly makes a dorogotory remark and you choose to condemn the entire mental health team at Antelope House - despite the fact that numerous assessments had taken place, in the days leading up to Miss Groves tragic death? If indeed, someone did utter those unwholesome comments, then yes, they are sure to be investigated and disciplined. Mental health workers, like the police, are NOT immune from investigation.

You also comment, that Antelope House never take-in police referrals and that they are always taken into custody. Many referrals, (I can assure you) are taken in but equally, some ARE turned away initially, as the referred individual, may be overly aggressive and/or under the influence of alcohol or other substances, at the time of referral - rendering a Mental Health Act assessment, or any other kind of assessment, impossible.

Psychiatry, by definition, is not an exact science and short of admitting everyone that presents at, or is referred to Antelope House - then there will always remain some risk, that a person sent home, may self-harm.

Working in a mental health setting - can be extremely exhausting for staff - particularly in these days of austerity, that have led to numerous cut-backs. Emotions, do run high at times, in such a setting but I can assure you, that the vast majority of staff, (and I know many of them) are extremely dedicated, caring individuals, that would have been deeply shocked and distressed by Miss Groves death.

Please, therefore, THINK! before posting such a sweeping 'put-down', of health care staff.
[quote][p][bold]speedyuk[/bold] wrote: The mental health teams need to get their arses kicked if this was a police officer there would be hell!!! And when they detain someone antelope house beer take them for assessment as they should they take them to custody overnight which distresses patient even more custody is not a appropriate place of safety the mental health units are !!!! When it all goes wrong when they don't section them the bex day and something like this happens it's always the police that get investigated !!! I only know this as I have a lot of ex police officers as friends[/p][/quote]So, speedyuk. One member of staff, allegedly makes a dorogotory remark and you choose to condemn the entire mental health team at Antelope House - despite the fact that numerous assessments had taken place, in the days leading up to Miss Groves tragic death? If indeed, someone did utter those unwholesome comments, then yes, they are sure to be investigated and disciplined. Mental health workers, like the police, are NOT immune from investigation. You also comment, that Antelope House never take-in police referrals and that they are always taken into custody. Many referrals, (I can assure you) are taken in but equally, some ARE turned away initially, as the referred individual, may be overly aggressive and/or under the influence of alcohol or other substances, at the time of referral - rendering a Mental Health Act assessment, or any other kind of assessment, impossible. Psychiatry, by definition, is not an exact science and short of admitting everyone that presents at, or is referred to Antelope House - then there will always remain some risk, that a person sent home, may self-harm. Working in a mental health setting - can be extremely exhausting for staff - particularly in these days of austerity, that have led to numerous cut-backs. Emotions, do run high at times, in such a setting but I can assure you, that the vast majority of staff, (and I know many of them) are extremely dedicated, caring individuals, that would have been deeply shocked and distressed by Miss Groves death. Please, therefore, THINK! before posting such a sweeping 'put-down', of health care staff. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 26

2:35pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Hector2004 wrote:
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?
[quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.[/p][/quote]It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions? Doctor Watson
  • Score: 19

3:11pm Mon 29 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Another person let down by the services but for them its jus another num its ok for this doc to comment but lets face the facts doc all you guys do is meds and than o the next patient you base your views on ten mins if your face fits you get the so called help but so many fall through the gaps at the end of the day these comments like the ones express r common in services i have experience this first hand being in the system and also working in the systems a dear friend past away due to suicide he was let dwn many times by this system he was crying out for help and no one listern case closed door shut another one off the books complete dissgrace
Another person let down by the services but for them its jus another num its ok for this doc to comment but lets face the facts doc all you guys do is meds and than o the next patient you base your views on ten mins if your face fits you get the so called help but so many fall through the gaps at the end of the day these comments like the ones express r common in services i have experience this first hand being in the system and also working in the systems a dear friend past away due to suicide he was let dwn many times by this system he was crying out for help and no one listern case closed door shut another one off the books complete dissgrace robby1
  • Score: -16

3:44pm Mon 29 Jul 13

speedyuk says...

Yes it is sweeping but has some substance !!! Too many cut backs to much politics and also too much lets help these individuals in the community when clearly some need round the clock care !!
Yes it is sweeping but has some substance !!! Too many cut backs to much politics and also too much lets help these individuals in the community when clearly some need round the clock care !! speedyuk
  • Score: -17

3:47pm Mon 29 Jul 13

speedyuk says...

Anyway I'm not making anymore comments this poor poor girl was not playing on an illness like some do for attention she was genuine and it seems that the mental health system is swamped with a lot if time wasters maybe this health worker just saw one too many that day and got complacent it does not excuse this unprofessional behaviour but more must be dont to weed out those trying it on to get benefits this girl was genuine and was let down in her hour of need my thoughts are with the family and no amount of blame will bring their loved one back
Anyway I'm not making anymore comments this poor poor girl was not playing on an illness like some do for attention she was genuine and it seems that the mental health system is swamped with a lot if time wasters maybe this health worker just saw one too many that day and got complacent it does not excuse this unprofessional behaviour but more must be dont to weed out those trying it on to get benefits this girl was genuine and was let down in her hour of need my thoughts are with the family and no amount of blame will bring their loved one back speedyuk
  • Score: 6

3:53pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Hector2004 says...

@Doctor Watson: I only have the story to shape my opinion and so it is only conjecture but I would say it's possible yes. I realise that the comment wasn't made directly to the patient but that doesn't make the comment any less influential, or does it I don't know, as I say, it is just an opinion based on information presented.
@Doctor Watson: I only have the story to shape my opinion and so it is only conjecture but I would say it's possible yes. I realise that the comment wasn't made directly to the patient but that doesn't make the comment any less influential, or does it I don't know, as I say, it is just an opinion based on information presented. Hector2004
  • Score: -16

5:35pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Linesman says...

Doctor Watson wrote:
Hector2004 wrote:
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?
It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent.

I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.[/p][/quote]It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?[/p][/quote]It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent. I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms. Linesman
  • Score: -10

6:17pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Linesman wrote:
Doctor Watson wrote:
Hector2004 wrote:
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?
It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent.

I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.
Linesman - I have already commented on the alleged actions of the member of staff and have in no way offered my support to them. If you'd have taken the trouble to read my earlier post in whole - you will see that I referred to any such comments being made, as unwholesome and that indeed, an investigation and any disciplinary action, should be taken.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.[/p][/quote]It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?[/p][/quote]It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent. I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.[/p][/quote]Linesman - I have already commented on the alleged actions of the member of staff and have in no way offered my support to them. If you'd have taken the trouble to read my earlier post in whole - you will see that I referred to any such comments being made, as unwholesome and that indeed, an investigation and any disciplinary action, should be taken. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 20

6:55pm Mon 29 Jul 13

dianechristine says...

If a young lady has attempted to take her life and is literally begging for help surely this would have been enough to get her admitted that night.. Surely she needed support and to be assessed over a period of time, it seems that the whole process is wrong. How can people just walk out of hospital without immediate after care as any attempt on ones life shows that immediate action needs to be taken......
If a young lady has attempted to take her life and is literally begging for help surely this would have been enough to get her admitted that night.. Surely she needed support and to be assessed over a period of time, it seems that the whole process is wrong. How can people just walk out of hospital without immediate after care as any attempt on ones life shows that immediate action needs to be taken...... dianechristine
  • Score: 15

7:03pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Donald2000 says...

I think this tells us everything we need to know about Antelope House.
I think this tells us everything we need to know about Antelope House. Donald2000
  • Score: -22

7:50pm Mon 29 Jul 13

seven777. says...

A dose of reality here if you please, the NHS is in the toilet, top heavy with management who have been in post or are in post to manage service cuts. I’m not expressing an opinion about managers here, more the effects of cutting services at the same time not replacing front line staff. Mental health services have been decimated by services being run by the private sector paying minimum wage. The result of these changes are the NHS can only offer a service to the most needy and then
only a small amount so the criteria for who gets a service excludes many people who otherwise would receive services. The mental health teams are now overworked or should I say a case-load exceeding the amount any team can reasonably cope with without creating staff stress, sickness, impaired performance, impaired decision making and saying things you might think but wouldn’t say.
Lets all vilify this worker, lets behave like a mob because the media likes it, he should never work with people again ( whist thumping the desk), get real lets have some of this hysteria focused on retuning services to safe levels not one poor overworked bu@@er who im my opinion will pay a heavy price for his slip because being overheard talking to other professionals that gets you in paper means you are well truly f@@ked. Do I see a minim wage cleaner, no,

“what you got kicked out for abusing people, do one”.

Maybe he did maybe he didn’t, but was his offence so despicable he should be hung out to dry?.
A dose of reality here if you please, the NHS is in the toilet, top heavy with management who have been in post or are in post to manage service cuts. I’m not expressing an opinion about managers here, more the effects of cutting services at the same time not replacing front line staff. Mental health services have been decimated by services being run by the private sector paying minimum wage. The result of these changes are the NHS can only offer a service to the most needy and then only a small amount so the criteria for who gets a service excludes many people who otherwise would receive services. The mental health teams are now overworked or should I say a case-load exceeding the amount any team can reasonably cope with without creating staff stress, sickness, impaired performance, impaired decision making and saying things you might think but wouldn’t say. Lets all vilify this worker, lets behave like a mob because the media likes it, he should never work with people again ( whist thumping the desk), get real lets have some of this hysteria focused on retuning services to safe levels not one poor overworked bu@@er who im my opinion will pay a heavy price for his slip because being overheard talking to other professionals that gets you in paper means you are well truly f@@ked. Do I see a minim wage cleaner, no, “what you got kicked out for abusing people, do one”. Maybe he did maybe he didn’t, but was his offence so despicable he should be hung out to dry?. seven777.
  • Score: -18

8:54pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Donald2000 wrote:
I think this tells us everything we need to know about Antelope House.
And that is?
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: I think this tells us everything we need to know about Antelope House.[/p][/quote]And that is? Doctor Watson
  • Score: 15

9:31pm Mon 29 Jul 13

Outside of the Box says...

A very tragic case all round, tragic that young lady was so desperate she found her only option was to take her own life, a tragic case of a system failing through underfunding, tragic some health worker couldn't or wouldn't help, tragic that cases such as this are becoming more and more common in the media.
A very tragic case all round, tragic that young lady was so desperate she found her only option was to take her own life, a tragic case of a system failing through underfunding, tragic some health worker couldn't or wouldn't help, tragic that cases such as this are becoming more and more common in the media. Outside of the Box
  • Score: -10

10:01pm Mon 29 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Gang up on a worker behave like a mob cause the media loves it wat planet does that person live on if you work in care you should be respectful of your clients whether you get paid peanuts or as a doc u get paid in the regions of hundreds of thousands pounds you expect good service you wudnt go into a shop if the shop insulted you and theay r on a min wage so why do we accept the same old story of cuts its not abot how or wat these setvices can do its abot being trusted and respecting the patient at the end of the person is still a person whether if they got mental health having been through a simaluer experence i can and feel for this family and i can only express my best wishes to them in this difficult time
Gang up on a worker behave like a mob cause the media loves it wat planet does that person live on if you work in care you should be respectful of your clients whether you get paid peanuts or as a doc u get paid in the regions of hundreds of thousands pounds you expect good service you wudnt go into a shop if the shop insulted you and theay r on a min wage so why do we accept the same old story of cuts its not abot how or wat these setvices can do its abot being trusted and respecting the patient at the end of the person is still a person whether if they got mental health having been through a simaluer experence i can and feel for this family and i can only express my best wishes to them in this difficult time robby1
  • Score: -11

12:07am Tue 30 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Linesman wrote:
Doctor Watson wrote:
Hector2004 wrote:
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?
It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent.

I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.
Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.[/p][/quote]It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?[/p][/quote]It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent. I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.[/p][/quote]Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is. Jayne388
  • Score: -18

12:21am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Doctor Watson wrote:
Hector2004 wrote:
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?
It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent.

I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.
Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is.
Jayne388. I have in excess of 25 years experience, working in acute psychiatry in the South of England. And you?
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.[/p][/quote]It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?[/p][/quote]It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent. I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.[/p][/quote]Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is.[/p][/quote]Jayne388. I have in excess of 25 years experience, working in acute psychiatry in the South of England. And you? Doctor Watson
  • Score: -10

1:02am Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Yeah and i suppose you think u r doing a grand job u n your colleagues you lot dont think of the piesces left behind all u care abot is the money the clients jus get in the way thats why theres a saying clled medical cosh l
Yeah and i suppose you think u r doing a grand job u n your colleagues you lot dont think of the piesces left behind all u care abot is the money the clients jus get in the way thats why theres a saying clled medical cosh l robby1
  • Score: -24

7:48am Tue 30 Jul 13

Hector2004 says...

I think i'm inclined to agree with Jayne; there are a number of discepancies in 'Doctor' Watson's posts. It's posible that he / she is a cleaner or porter at the hospital and has been for 25 years but definately not a doctor or nurse.
I think i'm inclined to agree with Jayne; there are a number of discepancies in 'Doctor' Watson's posts. It's posible that he / she is a cleaner or porter at the hospital and has been for 25 years but definately not a doctor or nurse. Hector2004
  • Score: -23

8:30am Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Same as thats why i posted last comment he attack other comments on here but left me be www
Same as thats why i posted last comment he attack other comments on here but left me be www robby1
  • Score: -19

8:30am Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Same as thats why i posted last comment he attack other comments on here but left me be www
Same as thats why i posted last comment he attack other comments on here but left me be www robby1
  • Score: -18

9:12am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Hector2004 wrote:
I think i'm inclined to agree with Jayne; there are a number of discepancies in 'Doctor' Watson's posts. It's posible that he / she is a cleaner or porter at the hospital and has been for 25 years but definately not a doctor or nurse.
Please feel free to highlight my so called discrepancies Hector2004.
[quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: I think i'm inclined to agree with Jayne; there are a number of discepancies in 'Doctor' Watson's posts. It's posible that he / she is a cleaner or porter at the hospital and has been for 25 years but definately not a doctor or nurse.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to highlight my so called discrepancies Hector2004. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 17

9:22am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

robby1 wrote:
Yeah and i suppose you think u r doing a grand job u n your colleagues you lot dont think of the piesces left behind all u care abot is the money the clients jus get in the way thats why theres a saying clled medical cosh l
robby1 - you clearly know little about psychiatry or the people that work within that profession. Apply to be a care worker in psychiatry and find out for yourself. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You say, the staff only care about money and that our clients 'get in the way.' Would you like to elaborate on that comment?
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: Yeah and i suppose you think u r doing a grand job u n your colleagues you lot dont think of the piesces left behind all u care abot is the money the clients jus get in the way thats why theres a saying clled medical cosh l[/p][/quote]robby1 - you clearly know little about psychiatry or the people that work within that profession. Apply to be a care worker in psychiatry and find out for yourself. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You say, the staff only care about money and that our clients 'get in the way.' Would you like to elaborate on that comment? Doctor Watson
  • Score: 20

9:34am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Doctor Watson wrote:
robby1 wrote:
Yeah and i suppose you think u r doing a grand job u n your colleagues you lot dont think of the piesces left behind all u care abot is the money the clients jus get in the way thats why theres a saying clled medical cosh l
robby1 - you clearly know little about psychiatry or the people that work within that profession. Apply to be a care worker in psychiatry and find out for yourself. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You say, the staff only care about money and that our clients 'get in the way.' Would you like to elaborate on that comment?
I do note, robby1, that you say you've had a similar experience in your life but so do many health care workers, who then go on to work in the profession, in the hope of finding out 'answers' to their questions.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: Yeah and i suppose you think u r doing a grand job u n your colleagues you lot dont think of the piesces left behind all u care abot is the money the clients jus get in the way thats why theres a saying clled medical cosh l[/p][/quote]robby1 - you clearly know little about psychiatry or the people that work within that profession. Apply to be a care worker in psychiatry and find out for yourself. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You say, the staff only care about money and that our clients 'get in the way.' Would you like to elaborate on that comment?[/p][/quote]I do note, robby1, that you say you've had a similar experience in your life but so do many health care workers, who then go on to work in the profession, in the hope of finding out 'answers' to their questions. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 20

9:40am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

robby1 wrote:
Same as thats why i posted last comment he attack other comments on here but left me be www
robby1 - I don't attack comments. I might challenge someone's statement but I'm not here to start a war. This site though, shouldn't be used to start a 'witch hunt'. Not that I'm suggesting you are.
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: Same as thats why i posted last comment he attack other comments on here but left me be www[/p][/quote]robby1 - I don't attack comments. I might challenge someone's statement but I'm not here to start a war. This site though, shouldn't be used to start a 'witch hunt'. Not that I'm suggesting you are. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 20

9:49am Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

I have a very good idea of hosp dear doctor watson i have been section many of times thank you very muchi hav also been in therputic comunitys andsecure units i prob got a better understanding than you can imagine so where do u want me to begin work side of it or being a patient let you say and i will say
I have a very good idea of hosp dear doctor watson i have been section many of times thank you very muchi hav also been in therputic comunitys andsecure units i prob got a better understanding than you can imagine so where do u want me to begin work side of it or being a patient let you say and i will say robby1
  • Score: -15

10:15am Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

speedyuk wrote:
The mental health teams need to get their arses kicked if this was a police officer there would be hell!!! And when they detain someone antelope house beer take them for assessment as they should they take them to custody overnight which distresses patient even more custody is not a appropriate place of safety the mental health units are !!!! When it all goes wrong when they don't section them the bex day and something like this happens it's always the police that get investigated !!! I only know this as I have a lot of ex police officers as friends
Taking all sec136 detainees to Antelope House would not be a viable plan as there is only 1 136 suite there ( place of safety suite ), that is why people are assessed in cells first.
[quote][p][bold]speedyuk[/bold] wrote: The mental health teams need to get their arses kicked if this was a police officer there would be hell!!! And when they detain someone antelope house beer take them for assessment as they should they take them to custody overnight which distresses patient even more custody is not a appropriate place of safety the mental health units are !!!! When it all goes wrong when they don't section them the bex day and something like this happens it's always the police that get investigated !!! I only know this as I have a lot of ex police officers as friends[/p][/quote]Taking all sec136 detainees to Antelope House would not be a viable plan as there is only 1 136 suite there ( place of safety suite ), that is why people are assessed in cells first. gazcar40
  • Score: 20

10:17am Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

sparkster wrote:
0ne of the worst things you can say to anyone with a mental illness is that they are a waste of space. I hope this so called mental health worker gets a good bo()&%$ng and i hope he never has the misfortune to suffer with mental health problems, one of the most misunderstood illnesses around
As a MHW I am suprised the worker was that stupid to let a flippant remark come out like that. We may think such things sometimes but not out loud!
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: 0ne of the worst things you can say to anyone with a mental illness is that they are a waste of space. I hope this so called mental health worker gets a good bo()&%$ng and i hope he never has the misfortune to suffer with mental health problems, one of the most misunderstood illnesses around[/p][/quote]As a MHW I am suprised the worker was that stupid to let a flippant remark come out like that. We may think such things sometimes but not out loud! gazcar40
  • Score: 20

10:19am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

robby1 wrote:
I have a very good idea of hosp dear doctor watson i have been section many of times thank you very muchi hav also been in therputic comunitys andsecure units i prob got a better understanding than you can imagine so where do u want me to begin work side of it or being a patient let you say and i will say
I'm sorry to hear that robby1. You've clearly not had a comfortable ride in life. You say you've been sectioned on a number of occasions - which at those times, must have been traumatic for you? You clearly DO have a perspective, from a patients point of view but have you ever worked within that setting and seen hospital life, from the other side? Mental health trusts, do employ people who have endured mental health problems. With your knowledge and experience of inpatient care, it's possible that you have a lot to offer. I've worked with a number of people who have previously received inpatient care and/or, whose relatives have an enduring mental illness and the majority have become superb health care workers.
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: I have a very good idea of hosp dear doctor watson i have been section many of times thank you very muchi hav also been in therputic comunitys andsecure units i prob got a better understanding than you can imagine so where do u want me to begin work side of it or being a patient let you say and i will say[/p][/quote]I'm sorry to hear that robby1. You've clearly not had a comfortable ride in life. You say you've been sectioned on a number of occasions - which at those times, must have been traumatic for you? You clearly DO have a perspective, from a patients point of view but have you ever worked within that setting and seen hospital life, from the other side? Mental health trusts, do employ people who have endured mental health problems. With your knowledge and experience of inpatient care, it's possible that you have a lot to offer. I've worked with a number of people who have previously received inpatient care and/or, whose relatives have an enduring mental illness and the majority have become superb health care workers. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 20

10:19am Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

robby1 wrote:
Another person let down by the services but for them its jus another num its ok for this doc to comment but lets face the facts doc all you guys do is meds and than o the next patient you base your views on ten mins if your face fits you get the so called help but so many fall through the gaps at the end of the day these comments like the ones express r common in services i have experience this first hand being in the system and also working in the systems a dear friend past away due to suicide he was let dwn many times by this system he was crying out for help and no one listern case closed door shut another one off the books complete dissgrace
I doubt if he is as ACTUAL Doc, mate!
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: Another person let down by the services but for them its jus another num its ok for this doc to comment but lets face the facts doc all you guys do is meds and than o the next patient you base your views on ten mins if your face fits you get the so called help but so many fall through the gaps at the end of the day these comments like the ones express r common in services i have experience this first hand being in the system and also working in the systems a dear friend past away due to suicide he was let dwn many times by this system he was crying out for help and no one listern case closed door shut another one off the books complete dissgrace[/p][/quote]I doubt if he is as ACTUAL Doc, mate! gazcar40
  • Score: -10

10:27am Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

dianechristine wrote:
If a young lady has attempted to take her life and is literally begging for help surely this would have been enough to get her admitted that night.. Surely she needed support and to be assessed over a period of time, it seems that the whole process is wrong. How can people just walk out of hospital without immediate after care as any attempt on ones life shows that immediate action needs to be taken......
That would be the ideal situation in an ideal world, but the fact is that you cant admit everyone who attempts to harm themselves....there are just not enough beds. The latest ethos is to nurse at home with support from community team, DEPENDING on whether or not they have family at home, protective factors such as kids, husband, etc., and whether or not the main issue for self harming is addressed.

Long gone are the days of 125 beds at the old DOP ( in 2000 )....now there are around 70 at Antelope House.
[quote][p][bold]dianechristine[/bold] wrote: If a young lady has attempted to take her life and is literally begging for help surely this would have been enough to get her admitted that night.. Surely she needed support and to be assessed over a period of time, it seems that the whole process is wrong. How can people just walk out of hospital without immediate after care as any attempt on ones life shows that immediate action needs to be taken......[/p][/quote]That would be the ideal situation in an ideal world, but the fact is that you cant admit everyone who attempts to harm themselves....there are just not enough beds. The latest ethos is to nurse at home with support from community team, DEPENDING on whether or not they have family at home, protective factors such as kids, husband, etc., and whether or not the main issue for self harming is addressed. Long gone are the days of 125 beds at the old DOP ( in 2000 )....now there are around 70 at Antelope House. gazcar40
  • Score: 21

10:35am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

robby1 wrote:
Another person let down by the services but for them its jus another num its ok for this doc to comment but lets face the facts doc all you guys do is meds and than o the next patient you base your views on ten mins if your face fits you get the so called help but so many fall through the gaps at the end of the day these comments like the ones express r common in services i have experience this first hand being in the system and also working in the systems a dear friend past away due to suicide he was let dwn many times by this system he was crying out for help and no one listern case closed door shut another one off the books complete dissgrace
robby1 - many patients in hospital, especially initially, are on NO medication at all. Psychiatry, as I've already explained, is not an exact science and as in everyday life, mistakes can be made. I too, have experienced loss from suicide. Many years ago, my young cousin, took his own life, shortly after his 18th birthday and more recently, a member of staff, tragically took his own life. I think, the way things are panning out - we clearly will all have to beg to differ, when it comes to what we think of our mental health services.
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: Another person let down by the services but for them its jus another num its ok for this doc to comment but lets face the facts doc all you guys do is meds and than o the next patient you base your views on ten mins if your face fits you get the so called help but so many fall through the gaps at the end of the day these comments like the ones express r common in services i have experience this first hand being in the system and also working in the systems a dear friend past away due to suicide he was let dwn many times by this system he was crying out for help and no one listern case closed door shut another one off the books complete dissgrace[/p][/quote]robby1 - many patients in hospital, especially initially, are on NO medication at all. Psychiatry, as I've already explained, is not an exact science and as in everyday life, mistakes can be made. I too, have experienced loss from suicide. Many years ago, my young cousin, took his own life, shortly after his 18th birthday and more recently, a member of staff, tragically took his own life. I think, the way things are panning out - we clearly will all have to beg to differ, when it comes to what we think of our mental health services. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 23

10:41am Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair
But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair robby1
  • Score: -21

10:42am Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

Lets not tar nurses from Antelope House with the same brush as those people doing assessments in police cells.

These people are a different service made up of social workers and adult mental health practitioners, and NOT staff working on the wards or anywhere else in AH.

I work in AH and am appauled someone said that to other professionals, so please dont label me as uncaring.
Lets not tar nurses from Antelope House with the same brush as those people doing assessments in police cells. These people are a different service made up of social workers and adult mental health practitioners, and NOT staff working on the wards or anywhere else in AH. I work in AH and am appauled someone said that to other professionals, so please dont label me as uncaring. gazcar40
  • Score: 18

10:54am Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

robby1 wrote:
But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair
Forget the doctor...I haven't a clue what you are writing!
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair[/p][/quote]Forget the doctor...I haven't a clue what you are writing! gazcar40
  • Score: 10

10:57am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

gazcar40 wrote:
dianechristine wrote:
If a young lady has attempted to take her life and is literally begging for help surely this would have been enough to get her admitted that night.. Surely she needed support and to be assessed over a period of time, it seems that the whole process is wrong. How can people just walk out of hospital without immediate after care as any attempt on ones life shows that immediate action needs to be taken......
That would be the ideal situation in an ideal world, but the fact is that you cant admit everyone who attempts to harm themselves....there are just not enough beds. The latest ethos is to nurse at home with support from community team, DEPENDING on whether or not they have family at home, protective factors such as kids, husband, etc., and whether or not the main issue for self harming is addressed.

Long gone are the days of 125 beds at the old DOP ( in 2000 )....now there are around 70 at Antelope House.
gazcar40 - 104 beds in the old DOP (pre 2000) A Ward 25, B Ward 25, C Ward 25, D Ward 20, Mayflower Ward 9. Acute beds on offer, throughout Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust, since the onset of this millennia - have (as you say) been decimated.
[quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dianechristine[/bold] wrote: If a young lady has attempted to take her life and is literally begging for help surely this would have been enough to get her admitted that night.. Surely she needed support and to be assessed over a period of time, it seems that the whole process is wrong. How can people just walk out of hospital without immediate after care as any attempt on ones life shows that immediate action needs to be taken......[/p][/quote]That would be the ideal situation in an ideal world, but the fact is that you cant admit everyone who attempts to harm themselves....there are just not enough beds. The latest ethos is to nurse at home with support from community team, DEPENDING on whether or not they have family at home, protective factors such as kids, husband, etc., and whether or not the main issue for self harming is addressed. Long gone are the days of 125 beds at the old DOP ( in 2000 )....now there are around 70 at Antelope House.[/p][/quote]gazcar40 - 104 beds in the old DOP (pre 2000) A Ward 25, B Ward 25, C Ward 25, D Ward 20, Mayflower Ward 9. Acute beds on offer, throughout Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust, since the onset of this millennia - have (as you say) been decimated. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 20

11:00am Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

gazcar40 wrote:
robby1 wrote:
But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair
Forget the doctor...I haven't a clue what you are writing!
gazcar40 - Why haven't you a clue?
[quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair[/p][/quote]Forget the doctor...I haven't a clue what you are writing![/p][/quote]gazcar40 - Why haven't you a clue? Doctor Watson
  • Score: 22

12:25pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Thing is the excuse is lack of funding thats a big prob in banckrupt uk but at the end of the ethos of care at home isnt working friends relatives cant watch there loves one 24 seven jus because the person has mental probs dosnt change anyrhing lets face some peoples views on here r spot on but others deter from the real problem at hand its all very good for these people who work in these places hosp or comminty and yes its easy to say that the system is bad but on whole i kow many people who hav taken there own life n most of them hav cryed for help and nothing ever changes and nothing ever will i seen members of staff give a smatie sweet to a very unwell personi have also witness staff antagonise patient at the end of these people didnt chose to beunwell u workers hav chose to work there if u r not up to the job u get the sack simple but like any ever hosp u r dealing with hurt and unwell indiviuals wwhich is lost some how in this crazy world
Thing is the excuse is lack of funding thats a big prob in banckrupt uk but at the end of the ethos of care at home isnt working friends relatives cant watch there loves one 24 seven jus because the person has mental probs dosnt change anyrhing lets face some peoples views on here r spot on but others deter from the real problem at hand its all very good for these people who work in these places hosp or comminty and yes its easy to say that the system is bad but on whole i kow many people who hav taken there own life n most of them hav cryed for help and nothing ever changes and nothing ever will i seen members of staff give a smatie sweet to a very unwell personi have also witness staff antagonise patient at the end of these people didnt chose to beunwell u workers hav chose to work there if u r not up to the job u get the sack simple but like any ever hosp u r dealing with hurt and unwell indiviuals wwhich is lost some how in this crazy world robby1
  • Score: -20

12:28pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Hamaliel says...

My thoughts are with the family at this extremely distressing time. Hannah was truly a wonderful person and I feel very privileged to have known her. A beautiful, loving and caring spirit that was taken far too early xxx
My thoughts are with the family at this extremely distressing time. Hannah was truly a wonderful person and I feel very privileged to have known her. A beautiful, loving and caring spirit that was taken far too early xxx Hamaliel
  • Score: 10

1:32pm Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

robby1 wrote:
Thing is the excuse is lack of funding thats a big prob in banckrupt uk but at the end of the ethos of care at home isnt working friends relatives cant watch there loves one 24 seven jus because the person has mental probs dosnt change anyrhing lets face some peoples views on here r spot on but others deter from the real problem at hand its all very good for these people who work in these places hosp or comminty and yes its easy to say that the system is bad but on whole i kow many people who hav taken there own life n most of them hav cryed for help and nothing ever changes and nothing ever will i seen members of staff give a smatie sweet to a very unwell personi have also witness staff antagonise patient at the end of these people didnt chose to beunwell u workers hav chose to work there if u r not up to the job u get the sack simple but like any ever hosp u r dealing with hurt and unwell indiviuals wwhich is lost some how in this crazy world
Can someone translate this guy or me? I dont understand street speak?
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: Thing is the excuse is lack of funding thats a big prob in banckrupt uk but at the end of the ethos of care at home isnt working friends relatives cant watch there loves one 24 seven jus because the person has mental probs dosnt change anyrhing lets face some peoples views on here r spot on but others deter from the real problem at hand its all very good for these people who work in these places hosp or comminty and yes its easy to say that the system is bad but on whole i kow many people who hav taken there own life n most of them hav cryed for help and nothing ever changes and nothing ever will i seen members of staff give a smatie sweet to a very unwell personi have also witness staff antagonise patient at the end of these people didnt chose to beunwell u workers hav chose to work there if u r not up to the job u get the sack simple but like any ever hosp u r dealing with hurt and unwell indiviuals wwhich is lost some how in this crazy world[/p][/quote]Can someone translate this guy or me? I dont understand street speak? gazcar40
  • Score: 19

1:33pm Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

Doctor Watson wrote:
gazcar40 wrote:
robby1 wrote:
But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair
Forget the doctor...I haven't a clue what you are writing!
gazcar40 - Why haven't you a clue?
Cos I dont know street speak Doc!
[quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: But still its the funding side of things not idile i kow but inncent human beings r falling through the gaps due to this in a ideal world beda wud b there but the care at home jus isnt working cant people c na if hes a doctor i eat a pair of boxers hhasnt a clue abot things to b fair[/p][/quote]Forget the doctor...I haven't a clue what you are writing![/p][/quote]gazcar40 - Why haven't you a clue?[/p][/quote]Cos I dont know street speak Doc! gazcar40
  • Score: -1

1:45pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

No wonder why we got a problem
No wonder why we got a problem robby1
  • Score: -19

2:11pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Hector2004 says...

robby1 wrote:
No wonder why we got a problem
The main problem as I see it is that: there is little or no use of punctuation. The Doc has a similar problem although his/her use of punctuation is chaotic and random. Let’s hope that he/she pays more attention to the rules governing medicine than they do rules governing the English language!
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: No wonder why we got a problem[/p][/quote]The main problem as I see it is that: there is little or no use of punctuation. The Doc has a similar problem although his/her use of punctuation is chaotic and random. Let’s hope that he/she pays more attention to the rules governing medicine than they do rules governing the English language! Hector2004
  • Score: -20

2:24pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

U try emailing on an iphone than remember puting ..,,, and stuff in words plus with screen jumps its really fun trying to write any thing so soz oh i forget my english street talk i mean sorry
U try emailing on an iphone than remember puting ..,,, and stuff in words plus with screen jumps its really fun trying to write any thing so soz oh i forget my english street talk i mean sorry robby1
  • Score: -20

2:30pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Hector2004 wrote:
robby1 wrote:
No wonder why we got a problem
The main problem as I see it is that: there is little or no use of punctuation. The Doc has a similar problem although his/her use of punctuation is chaotic and random. Let’s hope that he/she pays more attention to the rules governing medicine than they do rules governing the English language!
Hmm! Chaotic? I think not. Then again, if you'd like to elaborate, Hector2004?
[quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: No wonder why we got a problem[/p][/quote]The main problem as I see it is that: there is little or no use of punctuation. The Doc has a similar problem although his/her use of punctuation is chaotic and random. Let’s hope that he/she pays more attention to the rules governing medicine than they do rules governing the English language![/p][/quote]Hmm! Chaotic? I think not. Then again, if you'd like to elaborate, Hector2004? Doctor Watson
  • Score: 20

2:37pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

Doctor Watson wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Doctor Watson wrote:
Hector2004 wrote:
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?
It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent.

I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.
Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is.
Jayne388. I have in excess of 25 years experience, working in acute psychiatry in the South of England. And you?
Like you, I'm some loser posting on a backwater site of no consequence. Unlike you, I'm honest about it.
[quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.[/p][/quote]It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?[/p][/quote]It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent. I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.[/p][/quote]Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is.[/p][/quote]Jayne388. I have in excess of 25 years experience, working in acute psychiatry in the South of England. And you?[/p][/quote]Like you, I'm some loser posting on a backwater site of no consequence. Unlike you, I'm honest about it. Jayne388
  • Score: -21

2:44pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

So true but your views count
So true but your views count robby1
  • Score: -25

2:55pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Jayne388 says...

The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Would a legitimate doctor, or any other professional for that matter, spend so much time here on this thread talking anonymously to other anonymous users ?

I'm a retired teacher, with a lot of time on my hands, who is currently addicted to arguing with a lot of "mystery people" on this forum on a daily basis. Clearly I have issues. Or so it might seem. My life is my business, but I will confirm that it is the unusual circumstances surrounding my life for the present that finds me with time to spare on trivial activities. This must be the case with this "Doctor Watson". He must be role playing.
The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Would a legitimate doctor, or any other professional for that matter, spend so much time here on this thread talking anonymously to other anonymous users ? I'm a retired teacher, with a lot of time on my hands, who is currently addicted to arguing with a lot of "mystery people" on this forum on a daily basis. Clearly I have issues. Or so it might seem. My life is my business, but I will confirm that it is the unusual circumstances surrounding my life for the present that finds me with time to spare on trivial activities. This must be the case with this "Doctor Watson". He must be role playing. Jayne388
  • Score: -23

3:19pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

he jus wudnt hav the time and its very easy to be drawn into argurments with people on here but everyone got a view its jus when people r pompous abot things amd try to challenge people over there views i dont like oh sorry forrgot talking street talk must put a . In wat u do in your life dwn to u u sound open to disscusion not like thatso called dr watson
he jus wudnt hav the time and its very easy to be drawn into argurments with people on here but everyone got a view its jus when people r pompous abot things amd try to challenge people over there views i dont like oh sorry forrgot talking street talk must put a . In wat u do in your life dwn to u u sound open to disscusion not like thatso called dr watson robby1
  • Score: -23

3:54pm Tue 30 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

robby1 wrote:
he jus wudnt hav the time and its very easy to be drawn into argurments with people on here but everyone got a view its jus when people r pompous abot things amd try to challenge people over there views i dont like oh sorry forrgot talking street talk must put a . In wat u do in your life dwn to u u sound open to disscusion not like thatso called dr watson
What???
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: he jus wudnt hav the time and its very easy to be drawn into argurments with people on here but everyone got a view its jus when people r pompous abot things amd try to challenge people over there views i dont like oh sorry forrgot talking street talk must put a . In wat u do in your life dwn to u u sound open to disscusion not like thatso called dr watson[/p][/quote]What??? gazcar40
  • Score: 20

4:23pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Oh its the annoying paperclip dude again
Oh its the annoying paperclip dude again robby1
  • Score: -23

4:34pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Wats wrong this time countdwn what???¿ yeah i got a few buttons that can do the same but to confuse buffons i ecide not to use them but hey ho is that all you can go on abot oh forgot this is all gobdilgi n cant be writtenlike this shud i call yo victor or meldrew for short but hey us common people cant read or write properly
Wats wrong this time countdwn what???¿ yeah i got a few buttons that can do the same but to confuse buffons i ecide not to use them but hey ho is that all you can go on abot oh forgot this is all gobdilgi n cant be writtenlike this shud i call yo victor or meldrew for short but hey us common people cant read or write properly robby1
  • Score: -25

5:00pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Cranberry1001 says...

The facts remain that a Mental health worker made these derogatory, unprofessional and unwarranted comments to a Police Custody Officer. This officer also stated that he had heard similar contents before ( in regard to other patients) and that such comments were not uncommon.
A nurse swore out loud at the end of a phone call, within hearing of her patient.
A doctor's concerns ( after examination in A&E) were not listened to and at the inquest a Mental Health worker stated he would still listen to (mental health) colleagues views over those of a doctor from outside that team.

This indeed would seem to be the unprofessional and inept treatment the people of Southampton receive. And remember, your taxes pay their wages yet you cannot be told who made the original remarks.
The facts remain that a Mental health worker made these derogatory, unprofessional and unwarranted comments to a Police Custody Officer. This officer also stated that he had heard similar contents before ( in regard to other patients) and that such comments were not uncommon. A nurse swore out loud at the end of a phone call, within hearing of her patient. A doctor's concerns ( after examination in A&E) were not listened to and at the inquest a Mental Health worker stated he would still listen to (mental health) colleagues views over those of a doctor from outside that team. This indeed would seem to be the unprofessional and inept treatment the people of Southampton receive. And remember, your taxes pay their wages yet you cannot be told who made the original remarks. Cranberry1001
  • Score: -5

5:27pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Jayne388 wrote:
Doctor Watson wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Doctor Watson wrote:
Hector2004 wrote:
If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.
It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?
It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent.

I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.
Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is.
Jayne388. I have in excess of 25 years experience, working in acute psychiatry in the South of England. And you?
Like you, I'm some loser posting on a backwater site of no consequence. Unlike you, I'm honest about it.
Jayne388 - You feel you're a loser? Why is that? And why do you feel I'm being dishonest? The fact remains - I DO have over 25 years experience of working in acute psychiatry and know many of the staff that work for Southern Health - particularly in the Southampton area. If you don't believe me and/or don't agree with anything I've said - then that's your call. We are ALL entitled to our opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doctor Watson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector2004[/bold] wrote: If the individual concerned has a conscience, this will live with them for the rest of their life. I know that I would be devastated if I’d caused this young girl to take her life. At the same time, It’s impossible to know what the outcome ‘might’ have been. I’ve known people commit suicide and I still have no idea why.[/p][/quote]It doesn't state, that the alleged comment, was spoken directly to Miss Groves. You're implying, that if said, this comment provoked Miss Groves actions?[/p][/quote]It is not a comment that I would expect anyone in 'a caring profession' to be making, whether or not it were in the patient's hearing, and neither should it have been used when speaking with the patient's parent. I am no Sherlock Holmes, but am surprised that you, Dr Watson, can arrive at a conclusion that appears to support the a member of staff who refers to a patient in those terms.[/p][/quote]Doctor Watson is a fake, probably a bright school kid or student. Look at the bizarre way he uses punctuation, and at some of the distinctly odd sentence structures. He is trying to sound more intelligent than he really is.[/p][/quote]Jayne388. I have in excess of 25 years experience, working in acute psychiatry in the South of England. And you?[/p][/quote]Like you, I'm some loser posting on a backwater site of no consequence. Unlike you, I'm honest about it.[/p][/quote]Jayne388 - You feel you're a loser? Why is that? And why do you feel I'm being dishonest? The fact remains - I DO have over 25 years experience of working in acute psychiatry and know many of the staff that work for Southern Health - particularly in the Southampton area. If you don't believe me and/or don't agree with anything I've said - then that's your call. We are ALL entitled to our opinion. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 28

5:44pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

Jayne388 wrote:
The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Would a legitimate doctor, or any other professional for that matter, spend so much time here on this thread talking anonymously to other anonymous users ?

I'm a retired teacher, with a lot of time on my hands, who is currently addicted to arguing with a lot of "mystery people" on this forum on a daily basis. Clearly I have issues. Or so it might seem. My life is my business, but I will confirm that it is the unusual circumstances surrounding my life for the present that finds me with time to spare on trivial activities. This must be the case with this "Doctor Watson". He must be role playing.
Role playing? Not at all Jayne388. I'm just a professional person, who is interested in the public's opinion on mental health issues. I actually agree with many of the issues raised but also retain the right to challenge certain comments. My username was actually chosen by a friend but I am thinking that perhaps I should change it to my actual name - if only to placate those that question one's anonymity. Re: posting comments. I can assure you, that I spend very little time pouring over this newspaper's various threads. I don't usually have the time.
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Would a legitimate doctor, or any other professional for that matter, spend so much time here on this thread talking anonymously to other anonymous users ? I'm a retired teacher, with a lot of time on my hands, who is currently addicted to arguing with a lot of "mystery people" on this forum on a daily basis. Clearly I have issues. Or so it might seem. My life is my business, but I will confirm that it is the unusual circumstances surrounding my life for the present that finds me with time to spare on trivial activities. This must be the case with this "Doctor Watson". He must be role playing.[/p][/quote]Role playing? Not at all Jayne388. I'm just a professional person, who is interested in the public's opinion on mental health issues. I actually agree with many of the issues raised but also retain the right to challenge certain comments. My username was actually chosen by a friend but I am thinking that perhaps I should change it to my actual name - if only to placate those that question one's anonymity. Re: posting comments. I can assure you, that I spend very little time pouring over this newspaper's various threads. I don't usually have the time. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 30

5:51pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

This doctor wanta be gee going on abot this n that who he kows n that defending the actions of staff n yeah fair enogth some do there work but like most drug the patients up so irts easy money n if it was any other proffesion we wud kow but i tell u wat doc i think that lady was right u doing role play r u going to be an airport assistant tomo na its not powerfull enogth mayb prime minister pleas go on abot usefull info instead of picking faults thing is its easy to pick faults wats the matter your role play not going to plan
This doctor wanta be gee going on abot this n that who he kows n that defending the actions of staff n yeah fair enogth some do there work but like most drug the patients up so irts easy money n if it was any other proffesion we wud kow but i tell u wat doc i think that lady was right u doing role play r u going to be an airport assistant tomo na its not powerfull enogth mayb prime minister pleas go on abot usefull info instead of picking faults thing is its easy to pick faults wats the matter your role play not going to plan robby1
  • Score: -33

5:55pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

robby1 wrote:
he jus wudnt hav the time and its very easy to be drawn into argurments with people on here but everyone got a view its jus when people r pompous abot things amd try to challenge people over there views i dont like oh sorry forrgot talking street talk must put a . In wat u do in your life dwn to u u sound open to disscusion not like thatso called dr watson
robby1 - as you have just said. Everyone, is entitled to an opinion. I'm sorry if you think I come across as pompous. I personally can't see that I have been and I certainly haven't questioned your ability to post a comment. As regards me finding time to comment. Never heard of time-off and/or annual leave? I know the NHS is a 24/7 operation but staff do take the occasional holiday.
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: he jus wudnt hav the time and its very easy to be drawn into argurments with people on here but everyone got a view its jus when people r pompous abot things amd try to challenge people over there views i dont like oh sorry forrgot talking street talk must put a . In wat u do in your life dwn to u u sound open to disscusion not like thatso called dr watson[/p][/quote]robby1 - as you have just said. Everyone, is entitled to an opinion. I'm sorry if you think I come across as pompous. I personally can't see that I have been and I certainly haven't questioned your ability to post a comment. As regards me finding time to comment. Never heard of time-off and/or annual leave? I know the NHS is a 24/7 operation but staff do take the occasional holiday. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 30

6:07pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

robby1 wrote:
This doctor wanta be gee going on abot this n that who he kows n that defending the actions of staff n yeah fair enogth some do there work but like most drug the patients up so irts easy money n if it was any other proffesion we wud kow but i tell u wat doc i think that lady was right u doing role play r u going to be an airport assistant tomo na its not powerfull enogth mayb prime minister pleas go on abot usefull info instead of picking faults thing is its easy to pick faults wats the matter your role play not going to plan
robby1 - Lol. I have no plans to be an airport assistant . . . just yet.

In the meantime - perhaps you'd like to quote the passage, where I am supposed to defend the actions of staff?
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: This doctor wanta be gee going on abot this n that who he kows n that defending the actions of staff n yeah fair enogth some do there work but like most drug the patients up so irts easy money n if it was any other proffesion we wud kow but i tell u wat doc i think that lady was right u doing role play r u going to be an airport assistant tomo na its not powerfull enogth mayb prime minister pleas go on abot usefull info instead of picking faults thing is its easy to pick faults wats the matter your role play not going to plan[/p][/quote]robby1 - Lol. I have no plans to be an airport assistant . . . just yet. In the meantime - perhaps you'd like to quote the passage, where I am supposed to defend the actions of staff? Doctor Watson
  • Score: 33

6:10pm Tue 30 Jul 13

robby1 says...

And by all accounts the staff toolk leave of there senses as wel oh i forgot my strewt talk cant read it but u must of been able to hey you cud be a really good doc but if u was lets say safe hands with u as a doc not jus having a flick through your responsive to people creaky go for it reveal yourself n than we c if u be in a job by tomo my friend but than again theres no way u cud b
And by all accounts the staff toolk leave of there senses as wel oh i forgot my strewt talk cant read it but u must of been able to hey you cud be a really good doc but if u was lets say safe hands with u as a doc not jus having a flick through your responsive to people creaky go for it reveal yourself n than we c if u be in a job by tomo my friend but than again theres no way u cud b robby1
  • Score: -32

8:05pm Tue 30 Jul 13

Doctor Watson says...

robby1 wrote:
And by all accounts the staff toolk leave of there senses as wel oh i forgot my strewt talk cant read it but u must of been able to hey you cud be a really good doc but if u was lets say safe hands with u as a doc not jus having a flick through your responsive to people creaky go for it reveal yourself n than we c if u be in a job by tomo my friend but than again theres no way u cud b
robby1 - I think you're quite probably a well-meaning chap, whose possibly had a rough time coping within the mental health services. You certainly come across as anti-services and if so, it's possible that you may have just reason to be - particularly as you've been sectioned on a number of occasions AND spent time in the forensic services. Personally - I'd like to think I've been a good health care professional over the years and many of my patients, ex or otherwise, have said I have been but there are possibly others, who like you, may reserve opinion. After all - it's impossible, to please all of the people all of the time - just some of the people, some of the time.

I shall now leave you in peace robby1 and I truly wish you well for the future.
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: And by all accounts the staff toolk leave of there senses as wel oh i forgot my strewt talk cant read it but u must of been able to hey you cud be a really good doc but if u was lets say safe hands with u as a doc not jus having a flick through your responsive to people creaky go for it reveal yourself n than we c if u be in a job by tomo my friend but than again theres no way u cud b[/p][/quote]robby1 - I think you're quite probably a well-meaning chap, whose possibly had a rough time coping within the mental health services. You certainly come across as anti-services and if so, it's possible that you may have just reason to be - particularly as you've been sectioned on a number of occasions AND spent time in the forensic services. Personally - I'd like to think I've been a good health care professional over the years and many of my patients, ex or otherwise, have said I have been but there are possibly others, who like you, may reserve opinion. After all - it's impossible, to please all of the people all of the time - just some of the people, some of the time. I shall now leave you in peace robby1 and I truly wish you well for the future. Doctor Watson
  • Score: 34

9:02pm Tue 30 Jul 13

justanotherview. says...

Jayne388 wrote:
The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Would a legitimate doctor, or any other professional for that matter, spend so much time here on this thread talking anonymously to other anonymous users ?

I'm a retired teacher, with a lot of time on my hands, who is currently addicted to arguing with a lot of "mystery people" on this forum on a daily basis. Clearly I have issues. Or so it might seem. My life is my business, but I will confirm that it is the unusual circumstances surrounding my life for the present that finds me with time to spare on trivial activities. This must be the case with this "Doctor Watson". He must be role playing.
Is this the mysterious people you claim not to care about yet have reported so they cannot use their accounts to post anything you disagree with?

I digress tho it is sad that this young lady felt the need to do this but as DR Watson says unfortunately Psychiatry is a bit hit and miss sometimes! No one knows on here who anyone truly is so rather than accusing each other of making stuff up, lets just respect others views and leave it at that rather than getting in to petty debates on a story of such a sad nature??

Have a nice day :-)
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Would a legitimate doctor, or any other professional for that matter, spend so much time here on this thread talking anonymously to other anonymous users ? I'm a retired teacher, with a lot of time on my hands, who is currently addicted to arguing with a lot of "mystery people" on this forum on a daily basis. Clearly I have issues. Or so it might seem. My life is my business, but I will confirm that it is the unusual circumstances surrounding my life for the present that finds me with time to spare on trivial activities. This must be the case with this "Doctor Watson". He must be role playing.[/p][/quote]Is this the mysterious people you claim not to care about yet have reported so they cannot use their accounts to post anything you disagree with? I digress tho it is sad that this young lady felt the need to do this but as DR Watson says unfortunately Psychiatry is a bit hit and miss sometimes! No one knows on here who anyone truly is so rather than accusing each other of making stuff up, lets just respect others views and leave it at that rather than getting in to petty debates on a story of such a sad nature?? Have a nice day :-) justanotherview.
  • Score: 35

10:43pm Tue 30 Jul 13

dianechristine says...

When reading the very tragic article how many more indicators would you want that this young person needed help. Something is very wrong with the system, also leaving family members to look after mentally unwell relatives is too much responsibility on them, they are not trained and the sick person is not getting the professional treatment they need.....
When reading the very tragic article how many more indicators would you want that this young person needed help. Something is very wrong with the system, also leaving family members to look after mentally unwell relatives is too much responsibility on them, they are not trained and the sick person is not getting the professional treatment they need..... dianechristine
  • Score: -20

12:23am Wed 31 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

robby1 wrote:
Oh its the annoying paperclip dude again
Paperclip? Just someone who believes people should use the Queen's English wih correct spellings and punctuations!
[quote][p][bold]robby1[/bold] wrote: Oh its the annoying paperclip dude again[/p][/quote]Paperclip? Just someone who believes people should use the Queen's English wih correct spellings and punctuations! gazcar40
  • Score: 30

5:47pm Wed 31 Jul 13

robby1 says...

Jus had a look yeah peace be with you doc or who ever u are matey right on an issue like this argrueing is pointless to the matey with the paperclip matey still stand by wat i said rudeness no matter how the persons writes or dosnt use english properly is discrimination something that may be lost on people
Jus had a look yeah peace be with you doc or who ever u are matey right on an issue like this argrueing is pointless to the matey with the paperclip matey still stand by wat i said rudeness no matter how the persons writes or dosnt use english properly is discrimination something that may be lost on people robby1
  • Score: -28

3:24pm Thu 1 Aug 13

robby1 says...

Strange how people vote on this site and reflects how soicity is and how they operate jus take a look for yourself and you will see what i mean
Strange how people vote on this site and reflects how soicity is and how they operate jus take a look for yourself and you will see what i mean robby1
  • Score: -25

9:31pm Sat 3 Aug 13

Kazy13 says...

Well I think that this person is a disgrace to the Social Work profession and should be sacked. I have over 35 years experience within inpatient and community mental health. I have been stressed and overworked but would have never thought to verbalised such inappropriate crap about a patient
Well I think that this person is a disgrace to the Social Work profession and should be sacked. I have over 35 years experience within inpatient and community mental health. I have been stressed and overworked but would have never thought to verbalised such inappropriate crap about a patient Kazy13
  • Score: -18

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