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11:31am Monday 20th July 2009 in Southampton
By Jon Reeve, Education Reporter
EVEN if you had a referendum we wouldn’t change our minds!
That’s the message from health chiefs who say they will plough ahead with plans to fluoridate Hampshire water supplies regardless of whether the public get another chance to air their views.
Bosses at South Central Strategic Health Authority say it has already taken on board the opinions of county residents during a mass consultation – and another huge scale vote would not alter the outcome.
The Daily Echo is backing growing calls for a referendum on fluoridation for Southampton and surrounding areas, because campaigners argue the people’s voices were ignored.
Today they branded the SHA “arrogant” for refusing to reconsider the decision in face of fierce oppostion.
They were backed by one MP who claimed health chiefs were “in denial” over public opinion.
More than 10,000 people responded to the consultation, with 72 per cent of those living in the affected area – covering parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams – saying they were against it.
In a separate phone poll of 2,000 residents, 38 per cent opposed fluoridation compared to 32 per cent in favour.
Last week, Eastleigh Borough Council voted to demand the SHA holds a public poll, and is bound by its result, while several MPs have also said they believe it is the best way to resolve the issue.
But SHA campaigns manager Kevin McNamara insists the decision has already been made, adding: “We’ve done the opinion poll on this issue and the board would not reconsider its decision on the outcome of another one.
“A consultation has taken place and gathered a broad range of public opinion, and the board had to take into account all those points in making its decision. Any future polls or surveys would not alter the result.”
“We’re absolutely comfortable that at that stage it was a fair representation of public opinion in Southampton.”
Hampshire Against Fluoridation chairman John Spottiswoode said the SHA’s stance shows it is not interested in the voices of the people whose lives it is affecting.
“It just confirms what we thought, that they are just sheer arrogant and not going to listen to what the people say,” he said.
“The Nuffield Council on Bioethics said it is highly unethical to medicate people without their consent. The SHA is effectively saying they know better than anyone else, and won’t listen to the research which shows it doesn’t work and is damaging.”
Southampton North MP Sandra Gidley said the SHA is being “defensive” because it has failed to make the case for fluoridation.
“The SHA has always been in denial over public feeling because it’s quite clear to me that when the responses started coming in and were so heavily weighted in favour, they then produced their own poll,” she said.
“But even that showed that among those who had an opinion, people were against fluoridation so there’s always been an agenda there.
“To me it seems the only way of having proper clarity about public opinion is to ensure people have a vote and have access to the facts.”
Comments(25)
senseofsouthampton
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12:11pm Mon 20 Jul 09
AdrianSmith
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12:45pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Big Boy wrote:I think before you slag off the Echo, you need to learn how to calculate percentages.
200000 people live in the affected area. 10000 responded to consultation. 7200 were against introduction of fluoride. 7200 divided by 200000 is 0.036. So basically we have a tiny minority & a flakey local paper spouting off. Ho-hum.
southy
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12:58pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Mr E
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1:01pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Rob444
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1:14pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Oracle1
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1:21pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Big Boy wrote:It is only apathy preventing people from doing anything. That is the trick that holds people down via fear and stress. This is a key health/democratic issue that can not be ignored. Why not engage your brain, do some research and then put forward a conscious argument.
200000 people live in the affected area. 10000 responded to consultation. 7200 were against introduction of fluoride. 7200 divided by 200000 is 0.036. So basically we have a tiny minority & a flakey local paper spouting off. Ho-hum.
B. L.
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2:16pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Rob444 wrote:Great one Rob, I don't know if it was intentional but your last paragraph made me laugh. ".. then the side effect of dumbing-down will kick in", having read Echo stories and some of the posts on this site for quite a while, how much more can kick in. Thanks for the laugh though. :o)
The SHA are paid by us all, via taxes.
Are we going to let the tail wag the dog or are we going to get rid of tin-pot dictators?
We appear to be moving towards the likelihood civil disobedience over this issue unless common sense prevails.
If people start ingesting this chemical (which is NOT the same that is put into fluoride toothpaste), then the side effect of dumbing-down will kick in.
goard
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2:29pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Pam W
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2:49pm Mon 20 Jul 09
soton1980
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5:55pm Mon 20 Jul 09
MyNameIsNotImportant
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7:10pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Big Boy wrote:What can I say, ill-informed - uneducated - ****!!!!
200000 people live in the affected area. 10000 responded to consultation. 7200 were against introduction of fluoride. 7200 divided by 200000 is 0.036. So basically we have a tiny minority & a flakey local paper spouting off. Ho-hum.
MyNameIsNotImportant
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7:12pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Big Boy wrote:What can I say, ill-informed - uneducated - T.W.A.T!!!!
200000 people live in the affected area. 10000 responded to consultation. 7200 were against introduction of fluoride. 7200 divided by 200000 is 0.036. So basically we have a tiny minority & a flakey local paper spouting off. Ho-hum.
sadtobehere
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7:39pm Mon 20 Jul 09
southy
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8:09pm Mon 20 Jul 09
Condor Man
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7:12am Tue 21 Jul 09
southy wrote:really? I would have though the Tories would be a better bet as they would no doubt start to dispand these bloated health authorities as part of the cut-backs.
well if you want some thing done about it, vote in the socialist party, who has now with drawn there support to the right wing labour party, and will be standing this general election
Frankacne
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8:55am Tue 21 Jul 09
Redback
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8:55am Tue 21 Jul 09
southy
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10:21am Tue 21 Jul 09
Redback wrote:yes if in doubt, then dont add it, till you know that 100% sure, it will not do any harm.
A referendum is NOT the answer!!!
You're on the wrong track Echo.
There is simply NOT enough evidence to make a valid judgement, EITHER WAY, on whether flouridation is effective, or safe. The York study that another commenter kindly pointed me to makes that absolutely clear, as has Ben Goldacre.
Given this, it makes not a blind bit of difference what the referendum result is, or what the SHA's opinion is. Does nobody understand what Evidence Based Medicine IS?
It would appear that the courts are the only way this will be satisfactorily resolved, and even then it would probably go all the way to the ECHR. Does anyone know how this process could be achieved?
Pam W
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7:03pm Tue 21 Jul 09
jwillie6
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7:56am Wed 22 Jul 09
db_3
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9:36am Fri 24 Jul 09
Jenjo
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8:15am Sat 25 Jul 09
Rambling Rose
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1:23pm Fri 31 Jul 09
claire louise 33
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11:26am Wed 19 Aug 09
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Big Boy says...
12:09pm Mon 20 Jul 09