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2:50pm Tuesday 2nd February 2010 in
A ROW has broken out after several of Southampton’s cabbies starting displaying St George and Union Flag stickers proclaiming they were “English-speaking” drivers.
It follows complaints from passengers about the standard of spoken English of some of the taxi drivers in the city.
There have also been complaints from passengers about the use of satellite navigation devices and over-charging.
There are 267 hail-and-ride hackney carriage taxis in Southampton and a further 550 private hire vehicles.
It is thought that about a dozen cabbies have put the stickers on their taxis.
But trade representatives fear the stickers have racist undertones and have called for them to be removed.
Some of the drivers displaying them have already done so, but none of those approached by the Daily Echo wanted to comment.
Chairman of the Southampton cab section of Unite, Perry McMillan, said his ethnic minority members had been upset by the stickers.
He said: “Surely all drivers speak English. If they don’t, what’s going on?
We just hope that licensing officers can investigate this and satisfy the trade that this isn’t the case.”
Ian Hall, chairman of the Southampton Hackney Association, half of whose 126 members are from an Asian background, said: “I don’t think drivers should have these stickers in the back of their cars, because I think it’s racist.
“If drivers have got these stickers, they need to take them down.”
Mr Hall said the night trade would “collapse”
without ethnic minority drivers, who were buying the majority of taxi plates as they had money more readily available, often by clubbing together.
The stickers issue was raised at a secret trade consultation meeting with Southampton City Council. The Daily Echo understands that civic chiefs would order stickers to be removed if official complaints were lodged by passengers.
A council spokesman said: “We will of course look into any complaints or concerns from members of public.
“People should contact the council and let us know if they see signs and stickers being used in taxis, particularly if they find them offensive.”
But Clive Johnson, chairman of Radio Taxis and the Southampton Trade Association, said: “These signs are not racial. They are a protest to the council, saying please make sure new drivers actually have command of the English language.
“There are a few guys going out there who cannot speak English and just bluff it. It doesn’t matter if they are Polish, Russian, French, Spanish, if they can’t communicate to passengers we have to take that as problem.”
Anyone who wants to become a taxi driver must hold a British driving licence, pass a medical, undergo a criminal record check and complete a “knowledge” test of Southampton.
Council chiefs last year added a driving assessment and test in basic reading, writing and communication skills. A BTec qualification in Road Transport Passenger Driving must also be gained within six months.
Councillor Brian Parnell, chairman of the council’s licensing committee, said he hadn’t seen the stickers but insisted: “It is certainly not the image we want for Southampton.
“It is offensive to drivers from ethnic minorities who form a large part of the city's drivers and without whom Southampton’s taxi service would suffer.
“We want to promote harmony in the city. However, it is important that taxi drivers meet a certain set of standards and one of those standards is the ability to speak English.
“It is normal good practice for anyone working in another country to be able to speak the language of the country they are in.
“I think the problem is that many taxi drivers do speak English, but with a heavy accent that can be difficult to understand.”
Licensing panel member Councillor Don Thomas added: “Taxis and taxi drivers can be the first impression of Southampton for visitors.
“I personally think this is completely the wrong sort of message that we need for what is proudly a cosmopolitan city.”
Additional reporting by Will Carson
Comments(67)
Denzil
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Carpe Diem
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Red&White Power
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PDOFF
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Condor Man
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Sotonianman wrote:the problem is a lot of plate holders sublet their vehicles, especially in the evenings, so the council may know who owns the car but not necessarily who drives it
I am a regular taxi user and quite frankly there are good and bad taxi drivers of all race and creed. However I do feel that as all taxi drivers are licensed by their respective councils/licensing authorities, they should not be licensed if they do not have an adequate understanding of the English language and their local area. Therefore the failing here is the council itself in the first place.
stmarysmush
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freefinker
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Brock_and_Roll
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barnhardmonkeynut
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1:09pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Red&White Power wrote:Fair play to you mate ! I was a Taxi driver in Southampton for 14 years ! As far as I'm concerned the Taxis trade in Southampton is a JOKE ! If you don't Kiss **** to the Hackney Office they're on your back ! Please note the Council control the fares that are set on the meters not the driver ! And I could Pride myself on taking you on the ''Cheapest Route'' because not being rude to any of my customers '' I want you out of my cab asap,so I could get onto my next pick up !'' didn't want to rip anyone off by taking the the longest route '' More Pick UPS More Money'' and most of all I can Speak the Language of the the Country I was working in ! ! In ENGLAND it's ENGLISH ! BUT ALAS MOST OF ALL MONEY TALKS IN THE SOUTHAMPTON HACKNEY OFFICE ! IF YOU PASS THE SO CALLED KNOWLEDGE TEST YOU PAY THEM ! EVEN IF YOU CANT SPECK ENGLISH ! !
Oh the irony from Perry Mcmillan ! Here is a taxi driver and union guy who has communist and che guavara terrorist regalia in his cab. Not that i use taxis as they are a rip off. But i get offended by all the muslim and pakistani flags emblazoned on southampton taxis. There should be a link on this story to the scumbag who abused those pensioners.
mac1989
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soton1980
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stmarysmush
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PDOFF
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stickymcglue
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zoom-in
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1:39pm Tue 2 Feb 10
southy
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1:47pm Tue 2 Feb 10
issy1234ben wrote:some thing you need to deal with, is the fact that britian has been a multi speaking, multi cultural, multi creed, multi race, and multi colour country ever since the romans step foot on this country.
What on earth is wrong with being proud of your country! When are these idiotic lefties going to grow up and come into the real world. THIS IS ENGLAND!! deal with it.
the man in the docks
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1:54pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Condor Man
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1:54pm Tue 2 Feb 10
southy wrote:If you saw Mark Oaten speaking with the BNP supporter last night you'll understand how small things are pushing marginal people to extremists. The council must ensure with taxi firms that drivers are able to speak English as incidents like these play into the hands of Nick Griffin.
issy1234ben wrote: What on earth is wrong with being proud of your country! When are these idiotic lefties going to grow up and come into the real world. THIS IS ENGLAND!! deal with it.some thing you need to deal with, is the fact that britian has been a multi speaking, multi cultural, multi creed, multi race, and multi colour country ever since the romans step foot on this country. and what brock_and_roll, brock said would make more sensable thing to do.
stickymcglue
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1:59pm Tue 2 Feb 10
the man in the docks wrote:do you speak pictish anglo then , since in Hampshire thats the closest we have to a "native" tongue...
you shouldnt be allowed to work with the general public, ANYWHERE, if you dont speak the native tongue
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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2:16pm Tue 2 Feb 10
southy wrote:Yet on other posts you moan about people coming in from abroad and working for less than their UK counterparts.
issy1234ben wrote:some thing you need to deal with, is the fact that britian has been a multi speaking, multi cultural, multi creed, multi race, and multi colour country ever since the romans step foot on this country.
What on earth is wrong with being proud of your country! When are these idiotic lefties going to grow up and come into the real world. THIS IS ENGLAND!! deal with it.
and what brock_and_roll, brock said would make more sensable thing to do.
Polygonia
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2:18pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Condor Man wrote:Is this sub letting legal and do any Councillors or Council staff in the Licensing department for Taxis read these pages ?
Sotonianman wrote: I am a regular taxi user and quite frankly there are good and bad taxi drivers of all race and creed. However I do feel that as all taxi drivers are licensed by their respective councils/licensing authorities, they should not be licensed if they do not have an adequate understanding of the English language and their local area. Therefore the failing here is the council itself in the first place.the problem is a lot of plate holders sublet their vehicles, especially in the evenings, so the council may know who owns the car but not necessarily who drives it
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2:32pm Tue 2 Feb 10
stickymcglue wrote:Sticky.What.
the man in the docks wrote: you shouldnt be allowed to work with the general public, ANYWHERE, if you dont speak the native tonguedo you speak pictish anglo then , since in Hampshire thats the closest we have to a "native" tongue... language is only barrier to the ignorant. current english is a morphed version of german really , so do you consider german our "mother tongue" ,,, any anyway , I can not understand most chavs in tescos so if they are speaking english , its a dialect I am not familiar with , most poles speak better english that them.
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southy
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2:37pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Condor Man wrote:yes i am fully aware of that condor, thats why the socialist party is the fastest growing political party at the moment. even lo the socialist are not extremist they are just left of centre.
southy wrote:If you saw Mark Oaten speaking with the BNP supporter last night you'll understand how small things are pushing marginal people to extremists. The council must ensure with taxi firms that drivers are able to speak English as incidents like these play into the hands of Nick Griffin.
issy1234ben wrote: What on earth is wrong with being proud of your country! When are these idiotic lefties going to grow up and come into the real world. THIS IS ENGLAND!! deal with it.some thing you need to deal with, is the fact that britian has been a multi speaking, multi cultural, multi creed, multi race, and multi colour country ever since the romans step foot on this country. and what brock_and_roll, brock said would make more sensable thing to do.
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southy
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3:24pm Tue 2 Feb 10
Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:derek stop trying to twist things and lieing, i never said that at all, what i have said in the pass, is that it is companys that is bring in workers from aboard for cheap labour and to under cut the uk wage.
southy wrote:Yet on other posts you moan about people coming in from abroad and working for less than their UK counterparts.
issy1234ben wrote:some thing you need to deal with, is the fact that britian has been a multi speaking, multi cultural, multi creed, multi race, and multi colour country ever since the romans step foot on this country.
What on earth is wrong with being proud of your country! When are these idiotic lefties going to grow up and come into the real world. THIS IS ENGLAND!! deal with it.
and what brock_and_roll, brock said would make more sensable thing to do.
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S!mon
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3:31pm Tue 2 Feb 10
rjfmusic wrote:Perhaps we could trial English/Non-English queues at McDonald's? And hopefully, we can get a much quicker burger at lunch times :)
Well done cabbies - I'd like to see the idea extended to other businesses as well. Perhaps we could have dedicated English-speaking customer telephone helplines!
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costa gaz wrote:I agree, the public do have a right to know, but apparently this is not the case and they have more right to know who John Terry is sleeping with today! We can rule in high court that the public should have access to information on footballers sex lives and yet their comfort, safety, freedom of speach and the right to decide in this case can be taken away. We concentrate so much on racism and discrimation and yet manage to reverse discriminate against those who are not of ethic minority (or are we!). Am I a taxi driver? No! Do I know a taxi driver? Yes! Are they English? Yes! Do I feel they are discriminated against? Very much so! Everyone who regulates the taxi drivers within the Southampton Area are so concerned by not being hailed up in court for discrimination that they infact discrimate against the English driver, its a constant fight to get the same rights. People need to stop being scared of having opinions which may offend! In all other areas we have the right to know all other information before making our decision so why not here!
As a fare paying passengers we have a right to choose which taxi we get into. If you'd like one where the driver spoke the national language and saw a sticker to tell you this, I'd see this as benificial to the customer. This would also help if your destination address was some-what obscure, and you needed to communicate with the driver regarding the route. Good idea in my opinion. Nothing racist about this what so ever.
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5:21pm Tue 2 Feb 10
King Mush wrote:A few months ago I found myself driving on a USA freeway behind a bright red Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck. The entire back of the pickup truck was covered by a giant Stars & Stripes Flag decal. Below that, on the shiny chrome bumper, was the following bumper sticker in bold black lettering:
Just look across the Big Pond to see the most amazing New World built on mass immigration over the last 500 years.
They fly their flags all over the place with pride, despite the downsides of inherently racist attitudes. The Stars and Stripes are paraded by all races, creeds and colours and are flown outside many of their homes.
How come this little island has so many 'problems' when it comes to displaying our own symbol that has been around since 1707. Nothing wrong with others displaying their own flags where relevant and we should be able to share in a multicultural society, despite the problems caused by certain sections of our community
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freemantlegirl2
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rjfmusic wrote:Brilliant idea. I'm not racist, but I expect those I have to speak to on the phone to be able to understand and speak proper English. That's one of the reasons I usually tend to go for places which promote UK call centres. I think there is a clear distinction between racism and not being able to understand someone. Sadly, in situations like these people just jump on the racism bandwagon as is the case here. It's a bit sad and pathetic that they cannot display our national flag to be honest.
Well done cabbies - I'd like to see the idea extended to other businesses as well. Perhaps we could have dedicated English-speaking customer telephone helplines!
soton1980
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St. Curious Chimp
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issy1234ben wrote:Ian Hall, chairman of the Southampton Hackney Association, half of whose 126 members are from an Asian background, said: “I don’t think drivers should have these stickers in the back of their cars, because I think it’s racist.
What on earth is wrong with being proud of your country! When are these idiotic lefties going to grow up and come into the real world. THIS IS ENGLAND!! deal with it.
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southy
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melbournepom wrote:lol just dont stand behind one.
This is why I moved out of the UK, I am now living a city where it is ok to fly the flag of not only Australia but the Cross of St George also. Oh the taxi drivers are even worst than the UK when it comes directions.
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B. L.
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clausentum wrote:Clausentum, I see yours and my previous posts have been removed by the "unbiased" echo "mediator" for reasons unknown. They were not racist but clearly the echo is not an unbiased paper. Freedom of speech is not an echo trait. Pathetic, countdown to removal.
King Mush wrote:A few months ago I found myself driving on a USA freeway behind a bright red Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck. The entire back of the pickup truck was covered by a giant Stars & Stripes Flag decal. Below that, on the shiny chrome bumper, was the following bumper sticker in bold black lettering:
Just look across the Big Pond to see the most amazing New World built on mass immigration over the last 500 years.
They fly their flags all over the place with pride, despite the downsides of inherently racist attitudes. The Stars and Stripes are paraded by all races, creeds and colours and are flown outside many of their homes.
How come this little island has so many 'problems' when it comes to displaying our own symbol that has been around since 1707. Nothing wrong with others displaying their own flags where relevant and we should be able to share in a multicultural society, despite the problems caused by certain sections of our community
Don't like my Country?
Dial 1-800-Go-Home
Hilarious.
The pickup truck driver was expressing his freedom of speech.
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