Prescott heckled over MPs expenses (From Daily Echo)

but he refuse to answer one question, he totally ignored it. that question was, when is labour going to stop there whitch hunt of the left, and starting to be the party it was ment to be, a party for the masses the ordinary people.

i have noted that the labour torys and liberals members will not publish the time and day and location of where they will be, none of the top party are doing that.
at lest with dave nevelist in covertry and a others of the same party have said they will be at a location and date and time so if any one wants to meet them and talk or what ever they can do.

Whitehead should have been challenged over what he's done for people over the past 13 years- a big fat zero. Vote him out on May 6

She should consider herself lucky not to have been arrested under the prevention of terrorism act like the last heckler at a labour rally.

In 2010 both the Tory candidates are up for re-election for council. They are also both Parliamentary candidates.

Alan whitehead, the Labour candidate had the integrity and honesty to stand down from his council seat in 1992. He lost at the General Election that year when he stood for MP by 500 odd votes.

Why havent Smith and Moulton not stood down from their council seats like Alan did?
Is it because they completely lack any confidence of winning? Or is the draw of keeping their Council expenses too much? If they do get in they will cause bye-elections at our expense. Is this right?

On the issue of expenses parties have to share the blame whether it be for duck houses , moat clearance or second properties. The UKIP supporters are also skating on thin ice. It was only a few years ago one of their MEPs was caught fiddling benefits and , I believe, imprisoned.

southy wrote:
but he refuse to answer one question, he totally ignored it. that question was, when is labour going to stop there whitch hunt of the left, and starting to be the party it was ment to be, a party for the masses the ordinary people.

i have noted that the labour torys and liberals members will not publish the time and day and location of where they will be, none of the top party are doing that.
at lest with dave nevelist in covertry and a others of the same party have said they will be at a location and date and time so if any one wants to meet them and talk or what ever they can do.

I normally try and avoid Shirley but would have loved to have been there as the travelling buffoon' circus hit the mean streets.

If the Echo chose fit to delete my jibes about two jags, croquet,secretary-hu
mping, chipolatas then would I have been arrested by Plod if I dared to utter any grievances? I've noticed the decline of Speakers Corner over the years as the usual tongue in cheek banter has been diluted.

That woman got nicked for simply reading out a list of the dead troops near Downing St. The old guy got dragged out of a conference for speaking out as mentioned.


So much for democracy- this whole fiasco makes me puke

Southy mentions Dave Nellist-the Coventry activist who is a few miles to the left of Marx/Engels & co?


I doubt if many people would bother to turn up and listen to his well known diatribes anyway

Southy,
Jeremy is out knocking doors all ove the constituency and it's very hard to plot where his exact location will be. You can find his contact details on his website if you'd like to speak to him.

http://jeremymoulton
.co.uk/contact.html

SotonChris wrote:
Southy,
Jeremy is out knocking doors all ove the constituency and it's very hard to plot where his exact location will be. You can find his contact details on his website if you'd like to speak to him.

http://jeremymoulton

.co.uk/contact.html

moulton is only knocking on doors when he got a day off work, and he picking and chosing whitch doors he knocking on, like here in redbridge he left the majority out anf only knock on the doors off old redbridge village did not get a response there, this is the area that whitehead will do any thing for and sod the rest of redbridge.
any one of the contender's should be able to say what ward they will be at, and what day and what time, but they are not.
i not surprise at the local polls for this area putting the liberals just behind the labour party with the torys bring up the rear

The whole political system in this country is f*cked.

It needs tearing down & starting again.

King Mush wrote:

southy wrote:
but he refuse to answer one question, he totally ignored it. that question was, when is labour going to stop there whitch hunt of the left, and starting to be the party it was ment to be, a party for the masses the ordinary people.

i have noted that the labour torys and liberals members will not publish the time and day and location of where they will be, none of the top party are doing that.
at lest with dave nevelist in covertry and a others of the same party have said they will be at a location and date and time so if any one wants to meet them and talk or what ever they can do.

I normally try and avoid Shirley but would have loved to have been there as the travelling buffoon' circus hit the mean streets.

If the Echo chose fit to delete my jibes about two jags, croquet,secretary-hu

mping, chipolatas then would I have been arrested by Plod if I dared to utter any grievances? I've noticed the decline of Speakers Corner over the years as the usual tongue in cheek banter has been diluted.

That woman got nicked for simply reading out a list of the dead troops near Downing St. The old guy got dragged out of a conference for speaking out as mentioned.


So much for democracy- this whole fiasco makes me puke

Southy mentions Dave Nellist-the Coventry activist who is a few miles to the left of Marx/Engels & co?


I doubt if many people would bother to turn up and listen to his well known diatribes anyway

not that many people was that interested KM. people mainly carried on with the days business.
that old guy who got drag out was a member to one of the left wing partys, and old woman was a green party supporter. just go's to show how far right the labour party is now days.
nevillist is a centre to left sort of person, a modereate, nice guy to talk to in person, it has all ready been acknowledge by all the other partys in his area that he will win the seat there hands down unless there is some sort of miracle, to make people change there minds. he to well like and respected was a mp before in the labour party but got kick out because of his centre to left views. then became a councilor winning with a big majority for the sp. he stand now under the tusc name.

Iw61 wrote:
In 2010 both the Tory candidates are up for re-election for council. They are also both Parliamentary candidates.

Alan whitehead, the Labour candidate had the integrity and honesty to stand down from his council seat in 1992. He lost at the General Election that year when he stood for MP by 500 odd votes.

Why havent Smith and Moulton not stood down from their council seats like Alan did?
Is it because they completely lack any confidence of winning? Or is the draw of keeping their Council expenses too much? If they do get in they will cause bye-elections at our expense. Is this right?

On the issue of expenses parties have to share the blame whether it be for duck houses , moat clearance or second properties. The UKIP supporters are also skating on thin ice. It was only a few years ago one of their MEPs was caught fiddling benefits and , I believe, imprisoned.

very true iw61 and would explain why the liberals are in second place here in southampton behind the labour party with the tory bringing up the rare of the big three partys according to the latest local poll. also might have some thing to do with that tv interview of all three partys, the liberals was the ones who gain out of that tv show, the other two did'nt the results of that show was released last night.

southy wrote:

Iw61 wrote: In 2010 both the Tory candidates are up for re-election for council. They are also both Parliamentary candidates. Alan whitehead, the Labour candidate had the integrity and honesty to stand down from his council seat in 1992. He lost at the General Election that year when he stood for MP by 500 odd votes. Why havent Smith and Moulton not stood down from their council seats like Alan did? Is it because they completely lack any confidence of winning? Or is the draw of keeping their Council expenses too much? If they do get in they will cause bye-elections at our expense. Is this right? On the issue of expenses parties have to share the blame whether it be for duck houses , moat clearance or second properties. The UKIP supporters are also skating on thin ice. It was only a few years ago one of their MEPs was caught fiddling benefits and , I believe, imprisoned.

very true iw61 and would explain why the liberals are in second place here in southampton behind the labour party with the tory bringing up the rare of the big three partys according to the latest local poll. also might have some thing to do with that tv interview of all three partys, the liberals was the ones who gain out of that tv show, the other two did'nt the results of that show was released last night.

keep deluding yourselves, come election day you'll find out that people are sick to death of Labour and that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown. Alan Whitehead's been a poor MP, I rarely get any info from him in his own back yard. He is clearly weak campaigning amongst his own kind and has to do the 'man of the people' routine like Denham to trick the poor into voting for him.

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Iw61 wrote: In 2010 both the Tory candidates are up for re-election for council. They are also both Parliamentary candidates. Alan whitehead, the Labour candidate had the integrity and honesty to stand down from his council seat in 1992. He lost at the General Election that year when he stood for MP by 500 odd votes. Why havent Smith and Moulton not stood down from their council seats like Alan did? Is it because they completely lack any confidence of winning? Or is the draw of keeping their Council expenses too much? If they do get in they will cause bye-elections at our expense. Is this right? On the issue of expenses parties have to share the blame whether it be for duck houses , moat clearance or second properties. The UKIP supporters are also skating on thin ice. It was only a few years ago one of their MEPs was caught fiddling benefits and , I believe, imprisoned.

very true iw61 and would explain why the liberals are in second place here in southampton behind the labour party with the tory bringing up the rare of the big three partys according to the latest local poll. also might have some thing to do with that tv interview of all three partys, the liberals was the ones who gain out of that tv show, the other two did'nt the results of that show was released last night.

keep deluding yourselves, come election day you'll find out that people are sick to death of Labour and that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown. Alan Whitehead's been a poor MP, I rarely get any info from him in his own back yard. He is clearly weak campaigning amongst his own kind and has to do the 'man of the people' routine like Denham to trick the poor into voting for him.

if any other party wins the seats here in southampton, it be because the left voters have not voted again, and it has falling even lower than the forecast.
but if you had been listen to the radio last night it is the sky news thats is giving this pre poll election views.
just look at the gaff that cameron made on tv.
quote" A forty year old man, in the Navy for 30 years" wow a 10 year old joining the royal navy, i though that had stop when queen victoria came to the throne. i suppose they will all ways need a podwer monkey in the navy,

Prescott has a **** cheek to even stand up and speak as a Socialist. Yes he is retiring as an MP, but only so he can become a LORD, for goodness sake. How hypercritical can you get. It just goes to show you how two faced these guys really are. Just out for themselves and can't wait to get their noses in the trough. Even he an ex shop steward on the liners can not resist the Capitalist ways. Disgusting

What! has Southy got no comment, when confronted with the hypocrocy of his lefty mates, shame.

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
Prescott has a **** cheek to even stand up and speak as a Socialist. Yes he is retiring as an MP, but only so he can become a LORD, for goodness sake. How hypercritical can you get. It just goes to show you how two faced these guys really are. Just out for themselves and can't wait to get their noses in the trough. Even he an ex shop steward on the liners can not resist the Capitalist ways. Disgusting

The only Labour leader who had any integrity was the late John Smith, who was also complicit in Labour losing the 92 election over his agressive tax manifesto. Prescott is in the Kinnock mould, he'll talk the talk but he's not lived by Socialist ideals since he got his snout in the trough. If I ever saw Whitehead in his own patch of Highfield (apart from in Waitrose) I'd be amazed.

Southy, just to let you know, the chap in Coventry is called Dave Nellist. The UKIP supporting heckler should also remember her party's dubious record in Europe on expenses.

Condor Man you are so right, I doubt if there are many, if any, true Socialists in New Labour. It seems that inside every so called Socialist there is a Capitalist who can't wait to get out at the first opportunity

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
What! has Southy got no comment, when confronted with the hypocrocy of his lefty mates, shame.

phil i do not support any right wing party, the labour party stop being a left to centre party back in the days of kinnock the man who started left wing witch hunt with in the party a witch hunt that is still going on today.
so if your talking about the labour party they get a bashing from me to, seeing that they are just another right wing aka capitalist party, and never have been a fully socialist party the best they came was the mix of centre wing, right wing and left wing and you will need to go back to pre 1979 to find that mix.
you tell the difference by there actions and not by what they say, why do you think that so many harden tory voters now vote for the labour party, its because they are a capitalist party aka right wing politics.
learn the tell the difference

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
Condor Man you are so right, I doubt if there are many, if any, true Socialists in New Labour. It seems that inside every so called Socialist there is a Capitalist who can't wait to get out at the first opportunity

you be able to tell a socialist he will keep to his word, like the 4 mps that are left that are still in the labour party, they did not make any claim on expenses and they only lived on a working man wage the rest they gave away to a good cause.
like a lot of capitalist they will use the name left or socialist just so they can get into power, but there true nature is that they are capitialist that gets in to power on the backs of the ordinary people

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
Condor Man you are so right, I doubt if there are many, if any, true Socialists in New Labour. It seems that inside every so called Socialist there is a Capitalist who can't wait to get out at the first opportunity

This so called 'Labour' party have been a disgrace. Many years back for some bizarre unknown reason i used to respect the likes of Prescott thinking he was actually one of the only few who had some idea of the real world, but ever since he became Blairs lap dog all respect for him went out the window. In my view now, it makes absolutely no difference who you vote for as the vast majority (note vast, not all but 99%) of MPs are only out for themselves.....how can any of them even begin to appreciate what it is like to live in the real world when they all have second jobs and over inflated salaries along with the expenses gravy train.

One of the few MPs that i couldn't abide but went up in my estimations was Robin Cook for jacking his hand when this rabble to us to war. Fair play, a politician with some principles.

I shall vote at the General Election but only because i am lucky enough to have that right and feel it is neccesary. As for who gets the vote.....shut my eyes and stab the ballot paper!!!

Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

geoff51 wrote:
Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

your wrong geff51 with the sop and puppet to the trade unions if they was then those anti-trade union laws of the 80's would of been removed, if any thing its the other way round, its where the most trade unions are controlled by a right wing element at the top and they will do what any right wing government will tell them to, and all trade unions leadership are elected to there post, and most would off been removed by now if it was't for one anti-union law that forbids its members from voting out its leadership. they need to go back to the old system of election every 5 years, that way its leadership would aft to do the job that they are paid to do, and that is defend its members and not sale its members down the swany river,or they would get elected out

southy wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

your wrong geff51 with the sop and puppet to the trade unions if they was then those anti-trade union laws of the 80's would of been removed, if any thing its the other way round, its where the most trade unions are controlled by a right wing element at the top and they will do what any right wing government will tell them to, and all trade unions leadership are elected to there post, and most would off been removed by now if it was't for one anti-union law that forbids its members from voting out its leadership. they need to go back to the old system of election every 5 years, that way its leadership would aft to do the job that they are paid to do, and that is defend its members and not sale its members down the swany river,or they would get elected out

Yea right as usual you twist the truth to fit your left wing dogma!
It still does not change my opinion of Prescott and the Trade unions.
Neither should have any say in the running of the country!

southy wrote:

SotonChris wrote:
Southy,
Jeremy is out knocking doors all ove the constituency and it's very hard to plot where his exact location will be. You can find his contact details on his website if you'd like to speak to him.

http://jeremymoulton


.co.uk/contact.html

moulton is only knocking on doors when he got a day off work, and he picking and chosing whitch doors he knocking on, like here in redbridge he left the majority out anf only knock on the doors off old redbridge village did not get a response there, this is the area that whitehead will do any thing for and sod the rest of redbridge.
any one of the contender's should be able to say what ward they will be at, and what day and what time, but they are not.
i not surprise at the local polls for this area putting the liberals just behind the labour party with the torys bring up the rear

Lib Dems just behind Labour? What have you been reading? The Conservatives topped the poll in the 2007 and 2008 local elections and the European Elections. The Conservatives also won Redbridge ward in 2008.

Door knocking is targeted, but if you call him and leave a message he will get back to you!

geoff51 wrote:

southy wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

your wrong geff51 with the sop and puppet to the trade unions if they was then those anti-trade union laws of the 80's would of been removed, if any thing its the other way round, its where the most trade unions are controlled by a right wing element at the top and they will do what any right wing government will tell them to, and all trade unions leadership are elected to there post, and most would off been removed by now if it was't for one anti-union law that forbids its members from voting out its leadership. they need to go back to the old system of election every 5 years, that way its leadership would aft to do the job that they are paid to do, and that is defend its members and not sale its members down the swany river,or they would get elected out

Yea right as usual you twist the truth to fit your left wing dogma!
It still does not change my opinion of Prescott and the Trade unions.
Neither should have any say in the running of the country!

whats up the truth do hurt some times, but your allowed to have your view weather if your view be right or wrong. i just pointed an area where your wrong thats all. i not over keen on pressott to, he a sale out, he used the working man back to get where is today and now days he shows his true colours a blue right wing, just like many of the union leadership most are true blue right wing.
if they represent the people who they are ment to represent the ordinary man there would not of been the CNWP whitch got the NO2EU done has a test run and now a temp name TUSC to stand people for government
thats the truth of the matter.

SotonChris wrote:

southy wrote:

SotonChris wrote:
Southy,
Jeremy is out knocking doors all ove the constituency and it's very hard to plot where his exact location will be. You can find his contact details on his website if you'd like to speak to him.

http://jeremymoulton



.co.uk/contact.html

moulton is only knocking on doors when he got a day off work, and he picking and chosing whitch doors he knocking on, like here in redbridge he left the majority out anf only knock on the doors off old redbridge village did not get a response there, this is the area that whitehead will do any thing for and sod the rest of redbridge.
any one of the contender's should be able to say what ward they will be at, and what day and what time, but they are not.
i not surprise at the local polls for this area putting the liberals just behind the labour party with the torys bring up the rear

Lib Dems just behind Labour? What have you been reading? The Conservatives topped the poll in the 2007 and 2008 local elections and the European Elections. The Conservatives also won Redbridge ward in 2008.

Door knocking is targeted, but if you call him and leave a message he will get back to you!

come up to date 2007 and 2008 is not 2010. libs being just behind labour in southampton and other places. came from that true tory media support sky news desk, the cons only won a redbridge because the turn out was really bad.
the election forecast at the moment is that the torys will win with only just 4 seats more than labour. they are falling in the polls badly they have gone from if there was an election in 2007 they would of been 70 seats in the majority to 4 seats in the minority that means a hung government that will crash by the end of there second year.
has for phoning him and leaving a message i and any one else should not have to, not just before an election. look how brian gould use to do it and politicians before him. they use to walk every street send a few people ahead to knock on doors where if any one wanted to chat they could do at the garden gate. but mind you those where the days when mps did the job to help people and not to see what they could gain out of it like money and power. most mps are not there to help any one more they are in it for them selfs.

The only Party, when in Government, to pass any legislation with the sole intent of helping the majority of working men and women and their families is the Labour Party.
We are sitting on a 300 year supply of coal, yet Tory Thatcher closed the mines, throwing thousands of skilled men on the dole and paid the police overtime to beat the hell out of the miners when they protested-- we now import coal!!
Tory Thatcher privatised Telephone, Gas, Water, Electricity, Railways floating them at a fraction of their true worth, lining the pockets of the speculators.
Now everyone is concerned over the prices these private monopolies are charging.
Tory Thatcher introduced the Poll Tax, taxing billionaire land owners and council house tenants exactly the same!!
Her successor, Tory John Major made such a hash of the economy that interest rates went up 5% in one day!! and millions of home buyers were forced to pay horrendous increases in their mortgages resulting in record levels of re-possessions.
I have a long memory, the "floating voter" will, as always, decide the fate of the election.
If they vote in a Tory Government, in the short term they may be ringing the bells but in the long term they will be wringing their hands.
The current recession was brought about by greedy capitalist bankers, not Gordon Brown and his Government, whose measures prevented a total economic collapse.
Please take heed on 6th May and vote Labour!

southy wrote:

SotonChris wrote:

southy wrote:

SotonChris wrote:
Southy,
Jeremy is out knocking doors all ove the constituency and it's very hard to plot where his exact location will be. You can find his contact details on his website if you'd like to speak to him.

http://jeremymoulton




.co.uk/contact.html

moulton is only knocking on doors when he got a day off work, and he picking and chosing whitch doors he knocking on, like here in redbridge he left the majority out anf only knock on the doors off old redbridge village did not get a response there, this is the area that whitehead will do any thing for and sod the rest of redbridge.
any one of the contender's should be able to say what ward they will be at, and what day and what time, but they are not.
i not surprise at the local polls for this area putting the liberals just behind the labour party with the torys bring up the rear

Lib Dems just behind Labour? What have you been reading? The Conservatives topped the poll in the 2007 and 2008 local elections and the European Elections. The Conservatives also won Redbridge ward in 2008.

Door knocking is targeted, but if you call him and leave a message he will get back to you!

come up to date 2007 and 2008 is not 2010. libs being just behind labour in southampton and other places. came from that true tory media support sky news desk, the cons only won a redbridge because the turn out was really bad.
the election forecast at the moment is that the torys will win with only just 4 seats more than labour. they are falling in the polls badly they have gone from if there was an election in 2007 they would of been 70 seats in the majority to 4 seats in the minority that means a hung government that will crash by the end of there second year.
has for phoning him and leaving a message i and any one else should not have to, not just before an election. look how brian gould use to do it and politicians before him. they use to walk every street send a few people ahead to knock on doors where if any one wanted to chat they could do at the garden gate. but mind you those where the days when mps did the job to help people and not to see what they could gain out of it like money and power. most mps are not there to help any one more they are in it for them selfs.

Southy,
They are anything but local polls - 2000 people across the country! Don't put all of your faith in the polls or UNS, far better to go by what the man in the street is saying and I'm not seeing any Lib Dem uprises here!

Jeremy would undoubtedly love to knock on every door, but given that there are over 70,000 in the constituency it would take 243 days of him working 24/7 to knock on every door and spend 5 minutes i conversation there! With helpers it is obviously reduced, but nonetheless it is an impossible task.

geoff51 wrote:
Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

geoff51 wrote:
Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Geoff51
The Trade Unions have always contributed to the Labour Party. Its nothing new and if you can be bothered to check your history you will find that the Labour Party was formed based on the Trade Unions to oppose the Conservatives who for a much , much longer period have been a party based on the rich employers who really have the biggest say in society. The Conservatives are no 'Peoples Party'!!

I agree with your view on Prescott but at the same time you must agree that the Tories have their fair share of embarrassments as well. Boris Johnson springs to mind and the recent history of the Tory Party is littered with idiots that put Prescott into insignificance.

The shadowy characters you talk about are not the Trade Unions who due to unchanged Tory laws are the most regulated Trade Unions in the Western World.Trade Unions have regular biannual elections (well my union, Unite, does anyway) and there is a clear rulebook decided democratically by its members for all members to adhere to. Can you tell me how the Tory Lord Ashcroft gets his 'democratic'mandate? Can you tell me why he refuses to pay tax, unlike UK Trade Unionists who pay tax?

If I was you I would be more concerned with the shadowy US backed big business organisations that seem to like Mr Cameron and his ideas for our Health service when he starts to tear the NHS apart and privatise it.
There are loads more shadowy businesses waiting in the wings for Cameron to be elected and be given a free ride for unlimited profits while workers in the UK get poorer and poorer.

SotonChris wrote:

southy wrote:

SotonChris wrote:

southy wrote:

SotonChris wrote:
Southy,
Jeremy is out knocking doors all ove the constituency and it's very hard to plot where his exact location will be. You can find his contact details on his website if you'd like to speak to him.

http://jeremymoulton





.co.uk/contact.html

moulton is only knocking on doors when he got a day off work, and he picking and chosing whitch doors he knocking on, like here in redbridge he left the majority out anf only knock on the doors off old redbridge village did not get a response there, this is the area that whitehead will do any thing for and sod the rest of redbridge.
any one of the contender's should be able to say what ward they will be at, and what day and what time, but they are not.
i not surprise at the local polls for this area putting the liberals just behind the labour party with the torys bring up the rear

Lib Dems just behind Labour? What have you been reading? The Conservatives topped the poll in the 2007 and 2008 local elections and the European Elections. The Conservatives also won Redbridge ward in 2008.

Door knocking is targeted, but if you call him and leave a message he will get back to you!

come up to date 2007 and 2008 is not 2010. libs being just behind labour in southampton and other places. came from that true tory media support sky news desk, the cons only won a redbridge because the turn out was really bad.
the election forecast at the moment is that the torys will win with only just 4 seats more than labour. they are falling in the polls badly they have gone from if there was an election in 2007 they would of been 70 seats in the majority to 4 seats in the minority that means a hung government that will crash by the end of there second year.
has for phoning him and leaving a message i and any one else should not have to, not just before an election. look how brian gould use to do it and politicians before him. they use to walk every street send a few people ahead to knock on doors where if any one wanted to chat they could do at the garden gate. but mind you those where the days when mps did the job to help people and not to see what they could gain out of it like money and power. most mps are not there to help any one more they are in it for them selfs.

Southy,
They are anything but local polls - 2000 people across the country! Don't put all of your faith in the polls or UNS, far better to go by what the man in the street is saying and I'm not seeing any Lib Dem uprises here!

Jeremy would undoubtedly love to knock on every door, but given that there are over 70,000 in the constituency it would take 243 days of him working 24/7 to knock on every door and spend 5 minutes i conversation there! With helpers it is obviously reduced, but nonetheless it is an impossible task.

they are local polls it was more than 2000 people. a hell of alot more. on a lot of tv box like freeview, skybox, virgin media have an interactive button where they could vote, plus the internet was doing a poll count at the same time. i dont put my faith in polls far from it, its just an indicator of how people would vote or what they thinking at that moment of time. labour might just hold on to both, but its going to be a close run thing
how do you think brain gould and james hill use to do it and there was more doors to knock back then then there is now ( test has lost 2 wards to southanpton north and romsey) and they done it in 3 weeks knocking on every single door in 1979. gould and hill both stop between windermere shops and newlands school and had a chat on the streets to.
if the mp's contenders really wanted to help people this is part of what they would be doing.

B. L. wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

At last someone who can see through the false facade of the labour party and realise that they are not fit to run a bath let alone a country.
For the sake of this wonderful country of ours which i love for what it is not what Labour have made it, vote Conservative and put the GREAT back into Great Britain, not allow it to descend lower into a sad compensation/benefit driven dustbin for the world

geoff51 wrote:

B. L. wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

At last someone who can see through the false facade of the labour party and realise that they are not fit to run a bath let alone a country.
For the sake of this wonderful country of ours which i love for what it is not what Labour have made it, vote Conservative and put the GREAT back into Great Britain, not allow it to descend lower into a sad compensation/benefit driven dustbin for the world

Now you are teasing me.
You truly represent a new brand of idiocy!!!

Iw61 wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

B. L. wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

At last someone who can see through the false facade of the labour party and realise that they are not fit to run a bath let alone a country. For the sake of this wonderful country of ours which i love for what it is not what Labour have made it, vote Conservative and put the GREAT back into Great Britain, not allow it to descend lower into a sad compensation/benefit driven dustbin for the world

Now you are teasing me. You truly represent a new brand of idiocy!!!

No we leave idiocy to labour and socialist voters who cant or wont see the mess they have created and left this country in.
The Consevatives will take a year or so to sort out the mess and then it is upwards ansd onwards from there.
Please do not give Gordon another 5 years to destroy this country

geoff51 wrote:

Iw61 wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

B. L. wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

At last someone who can see through the false facade of the labour party and realise that they are not fit to run a bath let alone a country. For the sake of this wonderful country of ours which i love for what it is not what Labour have made it, vote Conservative and put the GREAT back into Great Britain, not allow it to descend lower into a sad compensation/benefit driven dustbin for the world

Now you are teasing me. You truly represent a new brand of idiocy!!!

No we leave idiocy to labour and socialist voters who cant or wont see the mess they have created and left this country in.
The Consevatives will take a year or so to sort out the mess and then it is upwards ansd onwards from there.
Please do not give Gordon another 5 years to destroy this country

the tory cons will put you and every one else in to a deep depression just like the 79 take over of the tory con lead us into the first recession since before the war.
idiocy comes from any right wing party that uses the backs of the ordinary people to gain power by lieing to them, only thing is i like most people in this area will not vote for any right wing party, we know to well no right wing party is any good for the ordinary people so we dont vote. but if they do vote then they will vote for the lesser off all the evils the right wing labour party. if the torys do get into power, it will be the last time because they will take us into a depression and people will not forget this time, and they will put a socialist party into power at the following general election.
who ever gets in to power will not last long its going to be a hung government.

Total rubbish as usual from Southy. Open your eyes and stop re-writing history

geoff51 wrote:

Iw61 wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

B. L. wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

At last someone who can see through the false facade of the labour party and realise that they are not fit to run a bath let alone a country. For the sake of this wonderful country of ours which i love for what it is not what Labour have made it, vote Conservative and put the GREAT back into Great Britain, not allow it to descend lower into a sad compensation/benefit driven dustbin for the world

Now you are teasing me. You truly represent a new brand of idiocy!!!

No we leave idiocy to labour and socialist voters who cant or wont see the mess they have created and left this country in.
The Consevatives will take a year or so to sort out the mess and then it is upwards ansd onwards from there.
Please do not give Gordon another 5 years to destroy this country

Sorry Geoff

you are just confirming your idiocy!!

I dont even like Brown but I think the prospect of 5 years of Cameron is even worse.
The Tories are economic terrorists and will cause the UK to sink without trace.

Iw61 wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

Iw61 wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

B. L. wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

At last someone who can see through the false facade of the labour party and realise that they are not fit to run a bath let alone a country. For the sake of this wonderful country of ours which i love for what it is not what Labour have made it, vote Conservative and put the GREAT back into Great Britain, not allow it to descend lower into a sad compensation/benefit driven dustbin for the world

Now you are teasing me. You truly represent a new brand of idiocy!!!

No we leave idiocy to labour and socialist voters who cant or wont see the mess they have created and left this country in. The Consevatives will take a year or so to sort out the mess and then it is upwards ansd onwards from there. Please do not give Gordon another 5 years to destroy this country

Sorry Geoff you are just confirming your idiocy!! I dont even like Brown but I think the prospect of 5 years of Cameron is even worse. The Tories are economic terrorists and will cause the UK to sink without trace.

It is a very poor argument to call a person an idiot because you do not agree with their politics, at no time have I insulted you personnally and I do not expect you to insult me.
If you are incapable of even having an intelligent debate on the relative benefits from voting for the party of your choice without resorting to insults then you only go to confirm my belief that to support the Labour party for the next 5 years is from a person who would not understand how this country should be run and supports a party that does not understand how to run acountry either

Jerry Parsons wrote:
She should consider herself lucky not to have been arrested under the prevention of terrorism act like the last heckler at a labour rally.

An important point. Our political masters through this legislation consider each and every one of us as potential terrorist suspects. The people hve been treated with contempt. I'd quite happily have an argument with Prescott. Bring it on.

Wake up Britain and make yourself heard. How can Labour say that they are the party to change the country, when they have totally failed in the last 13 years. We have been dragged down to become the poor relations of Europe, the laughing stock of the world, have lost our respect, and become a total embarressment. I travel a lot and everywhere I go people ask me "what is wrong with your country, you used to be so strong, and now you let yourselves be dictated to by every odd ball group that wants to take over the world, and you just roll over and take it". Another 5 years of this, I don't think so, Wake up!!

geoff51 wrote:

Iw61 wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

Iw61 wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

B. L. wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Prescott is an embarrassment to any party, he is a bumbling incompetent politician who was only given the deputyPM job as a sop to the Trade unions. which goes to prove what I have always said that the Labour party is the puppet of the Trade Unions. Shadowy characters that were not elected by the people of this country and whom would sell their members down the river as long as their inflated salaries were safe.

Spot on ! Regardless of your political leanings, this idiot and the people that put him in a position are a complete waste of space. I also agree that Prescott and the Trade Unions should have no say in the running of the country. Trade Unions should stick to what they were originally intended for and that would be the protection of their workers, not having buffoons in government. Before anyone comes back and starts spouting some obscure political claptrap, if it's true that Prescott is retiring as there is a chance he will become a Lord, then the UK will lose even more credibility than it has (?) now, thanks to the idiots that make up the rules.

At last someone who can see through the false facade of the labour party and realise that they are not fit to run a bath let alone a country. For the sake of this wonderful country of ours which i love for what it is not what Labour have made it, vote Conservative and put the GREAT back into Great Britain, not allow it to descend lower into a sad compensation/benefit driven dustbin for the world

Now you are teasing me. You truly represent a new brand of idiocy!!!

No we leave idiocy to labour and socialist voters who cant or wont see the mess they have created and left this country in. The Consevatives will take a year or so to sort out the mess and then it is upwards ansd onwards from there. Please do not give Gordon another 5 years to destroy this country

Sorry Geoff you are just confirming your idiocy!! I dont even like Brown but I think the prospect of 5 years of Cameron is even worse. The Tories are economic terrorists and will cause the UK to sink without trace.

It is a very poor argument to call a person an idiot because you do not agree with their politics, at no time have I insulted you personnally and I do not expect you to insult me. If you are incapable of even having an intelligent debate on the relative benefits from voting for the party of your choice without resorting to insults then you only go to confirm my belief that to support the Labour party for the next 5 years is from a person who would not understand how this country should be run and supports a party that does not understand how to run acountry either

IW is a bully in the Ed Balls mould, he's made similar comments towards me in the past. What socialists fail to understand is that if we don't start cutting the deficit NOW we'll lose our AAA credit rating. This will force interest rates up and scupper any recovery. It may not affect Southy living in the socialist utopia of Redbridge but if IW lives in one of the many large houses in Bitterne Park he could find his monthly repayments going through the roof.

Condor/Geoff, you will have to get over yourselves and stop taking this comments section so seriously. worse has been dished out by your ilk against Southy so dont try and take any moral high ground.
your quips about me living in Bitterne Park are quite amusing as well Condor. I see what your trying to do; trendy left=wealthy=middle class=can afford to have liberal views= lives in wealthy area!!!
it good but still poor, like me refering to Conservatives as idiots!!

Seriously though the Tory policies (whenever we find out what they are) to cut the deficit will potentially return us to the 80s and early 90s.

You were right Condor about mortgage payments going through the roof though. I had experience of that under the Tory administration back in 1990. I think the 15% interest rates were caused by 11 years of Tory government and Tory free enterprise ideaology wasnt it Condor?
Will Cameron and his Party repay the shortfall I have in my endowment mortgage caused when I took out a mortgage under a Tory Government like millions of others?
I was only doing what Maggie encouraged us all to do?

Now can you see why I call Tories idiots?

(for the reord Condor I have a small 3 bed semi near Oaktree Road if you are interested. So are hundreds of others who couldnt get council houses and were forced to work for high interest mortgages under the Thatcher/Major junta, but you carry on saying I live in an oppulent mansion)

i give prescott his due he can add 2+2 and come up with 4. when cameron adds 2+2 he comes up with the answer 5
that was a gaff or was it a gaff made on tv that the con's could do. maybe that why the country in a mess all that private education at eton and they cant even add up right.

Quote" A forty year old man, in the Navy for 30 years" wow a 10 year old joining the royal navy"
has said on tv by david cameron

by the way the "wow a 10 year old joining the royal navy" was said by me

Is that the best you can come up with Southy, you've mentioned it before, try and find something else petty to complain about, and hope that anybody, but anybody, gets to run the country but your lot

people only need to remember this history of the tory con's
1/ they make that much of a mess up they got to keep switching names in what they call them self,s tory party or conservative party.
2/ tory the party of mass unemployment
3/ tory the party of biggest cuts and slash
4/ tory the party that triggers recession and depression
and the list could go on a lot longer, the tory party has the longest list of failure in the last 100 years than any other political

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
Is that the best you can come up with Southy, you've mentioned it before, try and find something else petty to complain about, and hope that anybody, but anybody, gets to run the country but your lot

no its to funny its a gaff or maybe not a gaff that no leader should make. maybe he should of done a m.thatcher and walk of stage, do you remember that talk show when maggie walk of the stage because she got a question ask of her, that she never authorise to be ask

Southy you are living the past, and a past that only you seem ro remember. When absolutely everything that a Tory Gov did was a total disaster, and absolutely everything that a Labour Gov did was a fantastic success. This country of ours is in one hell of a mess at the moment, and your lot have presided over the last 13 years to get us there. If you could, you would even blame the Tories for the ash cloud, but even you wouldn't try that, or would you.......

Iw61 wrote:
Condor/Geoff, you will have to get over yourselves and stop taking this comments section so seriously. worse has been dished out by your ilk against Southy so dont try and take any moral high ground. your quips about me living in Bitterne Park are quite amusing as well Condor. I see what your trying to do; trendy left=wealthy=middle class=can afford to have liberal views= lives in wealthy area!!! it good but still poor, like me refering to Conservatives as idiots!! Seriously though the Tory policies (whenever we find out what they are) to cut the deficit will potentially return us to the 80s and early 90s. You were right Condor about mortgage payments going through the roof though. I had experience of that under the Tory administration back in 1990. I think the 15% interest rates were caused by 11 years of Tory government and Tory free enterprise ideaology wasnt it Condor? Will Cameron and his Party repay the shortfall I have in my endowment mortgage caused when I took out a mortgage under a Tory Government like millions of others? I was only doing what Maggie encouraged us all to do? Now can you see why I call Tories idiots? (for the reord Condor I have a small 3 bed semi near Oaktree Road if you are interested. So are hundreds of others who couldnt get council houses and were forced to work for high interest mortgages under the Thatcher/Major junta, but you carry on saying I live in an oppulent mansion)

no one willing chooses to live in rented accommodation and as for endowment mortgages you have to blame Brown for that one- the lowering of interest rates lessened the value of the endowment. If interest rates were still 15% you'd be laughing as you'd only pay the interest on the mortgage but the windfall you'd have got at the end would have paid off the loan and given you a tidy sum to invest further.

Looking around Southampton Bitterne Park is a good place to live, you have decent schools and facilities but perhaps your MP thought it was a bit beneath him to continue living in his waterside abode so opted for a leafy pile in Test instead.

well phil go by the there history, the mess was started in the 80's, the torys had 18 years in a straight run to make things work, but failed big time, and left the mess for the labour party to clear up. the labour party only been there for 13 years they have another 5 years to catch up with the tory's.
i only blame those who are responsible i will not pass on the buck to those who are not responsible. blaming others is pass time habit of the right wing all ways have been and they will not change, right politics dont have the answers no more, it will keep on failing the modern world. remember it was the 80's government that took us away from centre and left to centre politics a system that was working and people was a lot better off then than they are now. right wing politics has had 30 years to get it right and it cant, it will keep on failing because of the population numbers and not just the uk, its the whole world population its way to high for right wing politics to work and you take in to account that technology is advancing all the time, this compounds the matter even worse. right wing politics do not take in to account of the population. because the moment it do it will become left wing politics, because that will mean sharing and that is left wing politics, right wing answer is make the few richer and the poor poorer. and the answer to that is have a major war to thin out the world population, if they dont and it stick to right wing politics your be heading for riots and a bloody revolution. make no mistake socialist might be a bit of a softy but you push them hard enough against that corner wall they will make final last choice the one they try hard to avoid and coming fighting, remember this to there is 30 times more socialist than there is capitilist in the uk and every where else in the world it just a case they are not relised it yet or dont know that what they think is socialist till the very last moment.

What can I say, living in the past, can only bring up the past, even though he denies it. Move on for goodness sake, or you will remain a dinasour for the rest of your days

Condor Man wrote:

Iw61 wrote:
Condor/Geoff, you will have to get over yourselves and stop taking this comments section so seriously. worse has been dished out by your ilk against Southy so dont try and take any moral high ground. your quips about me living in Bitterne Park are quite amusing as well Condor. I see what your trying to do; trendy left=wealthy=middle class=can afford to have liberal views= lives in wealthy area!!! it good but still poor, like me refering to Conservatives as idiots!! Seriously though the Tory policies (whenever we find out what they are) to cut the deficit will potentially return us to the 80s and early 90s. You were right Condor about mortgage payments going through the roof though. I had experience of that under the Tory administration back in 1990. I think the 15% interest rates were caused by 11 years of Tory government and Tory free enterprise ideaology wasnt it Condor? Will Cameron and his Party repay the shortfall I have in my endowment mortgage caused when I took out a mortgage under a Tory Government like millions of others? I was only doing what Maggie encouraged us all to do? Now can you see why I call Tories idiots? (for the reord Condor I have a small 3 bed semi near Oaktree Road if you are interested. So are hundreds of others who couldnt get council houses and were forced to work for high interest mortgages under the Thatcher/Major junta, but you carry on saying I live in an oppulent mansion)

no one willing chooses to live in rented accommodation and as for endowment mortgages you have to blame Brown for that one- the lowering of interest rates lessened the value of the endowment. If interest rates were still 15% you'd be laughing as you'd only pay the interest on the mortgage but the windfall you'd have got at the end would have paid off the loan and given you a tidy sum to invest further.

Looking around Southampton Bitterne Park is a good place to live, you have decent schools and facilities but perhaps your MP thought it was a bit beneath him to continue living in his waterside abode so opted for a leafy pile in Test instead.

Whats my MP got to do with where I live?
Glad to see you supported the 15% misery of interest rates inflicted by the Tories back then. I suppose you think 3 million unemployed a risk worth taking as well.
At the time I was 'sold' the endowments the 'windfall' was insignificant; it certainly was not the main reason why I took that mortgage. I took the endowment because it was the cheapest deal after shopping around.Rents were sky high and I was in a position to pour all my savings into a deposit (only for it all to get eaten up in negative equity by 1995)
Most people I knew at the time did the same and all suffered under the tories wether it be through high interest rates, negative equity, redundancies and extended periods of unemployment, waiting lists for operations all under a Tory administration. Mind you Brown was an MP then so I suppose it is all his fault.

Bitterne Park is a good place to live. Previously I have lived in lordshill and in MerryOak, all good places in my view both places I chose to live in until circumstances changed. i gre up on a London overspill housing estate in north hampshire prior to coming to Southampton.

My biggest problem with the Tories is that the want to return to the 1980s and early 90s. My biggest problem with Labour and Brown is that they/he are not radical enough to stop them.

So excuse the idiot label. Only and idiot would want to return to back then.

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
What can I say, living in the past, can only bring up the past, even though he denies it. Move on for goodness sake, or you will remain a dinasour for the rest of your days

i not living in the pass i use the pass to learn by it. history has this habit of repeating it self because people have not learned by it, some thing the tory are good at is to repeat the pass, thats why we are in this mess now is because right wing politics aka capitalist is a dinasour and needs to go the same way extinct.
to move on is to start thinking socialism, we had started that course and it was showing it was working for us, but the 80's tory government took us back to the 1920. and this is what a right wing politics really means going back wards to live in there glory days.

yet again Southy you make no sense whatsoever. You say that "blame" is a right wing thing yet you are more than willing to pass the blame. Why ? because it's easier for you to pass the blame as you have no credible ideas of your own. Even as you can't even be bothered to vote I will take any further opinions you have as null and void.

You keep making references to other posters not having the ability to debate but you are the most impossible person to debate with because of your incomprehensible ramblings, and then when cornered you come out with " a bloke on the bridge told me".

There a few simple key points that you and the socialist brigade forget. Money and Investment ! Of course if the tory's get in they will make cuts. They have to pay back the ridiculous debt that Brown has left the country with. All the socialist want to do is make the debt bigger by giving more to the free-loaders that cant be arsed to get of thier backsides and do anything.

In simple terms..... if you punish the investors or owners of companies, they will take their business elsewhere. This will then have an increase in jobless, reduce spending and the entire country will plummet into free-fall, just like the socialist regimes that are Spain and Greece.

Wise up Southy! I am not saying the Tory have ALL of the answers but they have more of an idea than the few militant socialists that are pretending to know whats going on.

Yet again, well said Cyber-Fug, I could not agree more

cyber fug
i said i will blame those who the blame belong to, that means i will not pass the blame onto those who are not to blame. thats some thing the right wing will do is pass the blame on to others. they all ways have done
simple enough for you
quote "a bloke on the bridge told me" dont twist words with me it will not work.
that was about one item and it did concern a guy who do go over there, and if you remember i said go over there and talk to the guy your self and get first hand information, you can never beat first hand info.
money and investments who for, its not for the ordinary people but you expect the ordinary people to pay for it, more so when things go wrong. thats all ways the case under right wing politics. and those so called freeloaders was put there by the right wing. was't they.
if they want to move out the country let them we just nationalise there firm and carry on with what they was making and put a import anti-flood tax on there goods if they should try an import there goods in the country
spain and greece are capitalist countrys not socialist so you cant apply that free fall to the socialists you can only say yet again it capitalist aka right wing politics fault again.
the wising up needs to be done by the right wing element they dont have the answer because they are unwilling to apply the right answer because it means to be turning towards socialism and abandoning capitalism. the answer capitalism will have is have another world war and the next one will mean the end of the human race. no winners

As i have said, there is no credibility to your postings.

When the library opens tomorrow I would recommend that you go an read up on PASOK and PSOE !!

Socialism has been the ruination of every country or regime that has taken it up. Look at North Korea, what more proof do you need

Southy,
Are you actually fully employed? as you seem to have an inordinate amount of time to post on here, and before you return the question I am recovering from a recent heart attack
IW61 I ask the same Question?
The reason I ask this is because under your beloved socialist system everybody will be employed but nobody will want to buy what you make, look at BL Rover and the restrictive practices the unions insisted on eventually brought the demise of the british car industry.
And you want us to return another 5 years of that sort of Britain? Get real and smell the coffee

Cyber-Fug wrote:
As i have said, there is no credibility to your postings.

When the library opens tomorrow I would recommend that you go an read up on PASOK and PSOE !!

there is every credibility in what i say. just because it dont suit you in what i say you dont like it, and there is another way and a much better way
and refering to pasok and psoe books whitch was writen by a capitalist and is a long way from the real truth and is refering to the neo-revisionist socialist ideas and not the working on how it would work and why it works, and if you look deeper into what those two party and there leaders have done pasok (greece) and psoe (spain) they are not the action of a socialist. no socialist would vote for the joining of the EU we know to well we dont need the EU we can work together with the EU let alone saying yes to the lisbon treaty with out the vote of the public.
they got con just like we have with the labour party. it were capitalist have over ran the left and centre left partys and taken over because they know if they stood for what they really are they would be unelectable.
i know to well what is really happening in greece i have relations there that i keep in contact with. either in person or on the phone, and the people there are thinking about doing the same thing has what is happening here a new party to represent the ordinary people. in spain the true socialist party is the united left, and not the psoe
so another words socialist by name but not by nature.
one of the first things the socialist party would do in the uk is give the people the vote on the EU.
dont go by what they call them selfs or by what they say, go by there actions.
then look also look at why did those countrys go into free fall, it was't really of there own making, countrys like the uk and the usa cause the the problem and the ripples was sent out though the world. its the poorer capitalist countrys that gets hit harder, like lithuania they went pass being in a recession they went all the way into depression and the people there are in revolt, and if the depression last there much longer it will go back to being a communist country there is all ready calls there for them to return back to communism, just like what was formerly east germany the people there have had enough of capitalism and want to return to being what they where saying they was much better off than they are now. in the end the ordinary people will get there way one way or another

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
Socialism has been the ruination of every country or regime that has taken it up. Look at North Korea, what more proof do you need

north korea would be a much nicer to the world if it did not keep getting threats from countrys like the usa, and the world did not listen to the usa and placing a trade embargo on them, the main reason why the usa hates north korea is because it has off shore oil that the oil barons want.
and korea is a communist country and not a socialist country. weather if they are or not a communist country we do not know there doors are closed and there is to much false propaganda, and we will not know till they open there doors to the world, and they are not going to do that till all the false propaganda and threats stops.
remember after the war the usa uk and others march into countrys to stop them becoming communist on the usa say so, and it was all down to the oil. countrys that had no wealth they was left alone and let to get on with it, unless they are in the way or a gateway country to that oil.

geoff51 wrote:
Southy,
Are you actually fully employed? as you seem to have an inordinate amount of time to post on here, and before you return the question I am recovering from a recent heart attack
IW61 I ask the same Question?
The reason I ask this is because under your beloved socialist system everybody will be employed but nobody will want to buy what you make, look at BL Rover and the restrictive practices the unions insisted on eventually brought the demise of the british car industry.
And you want us to return another 5 years of that sort of Britain? Get real and smell the coffee

well geoff i hope you get fully fit soon.
to answer your question i am semi-retired i have earned all the money i need and for my son need, and me not being a greedy person or let greed over take me, so i handed the rains over to some one else so they could have the chance to earn enough money so they could do the same.
the demise of bl and then rover was all down to the 80's govenment and not the unions, having one man one job keeps the max number in employment whitch in turns stops us from going into recession. whitch is what happen in the mid to late 70's, but the moment you took that away and sold of the nationalise industry in the 80's we went into the recession, the connection and its the main one is how many is unemployed to the % of the population, the world was buying off our nationalised industry, because they knew it was reliable it was just a case where the world was in recession in the late 70's whitch we was just starting to come out off in early 79, and did not effect the uk very much, but we was still selling our nationalise industry goods to the world but it was at a very much lower number those sales started to pick up again in 79 but maggie went on an sold it. and it was then we see the demise of our industry, industry that use to put money in the country coffers. the biggest lost to the country was the selling of it wealth to the few oil our economy was set up in such away that this country would not have been broke all the money that we owed would of been paid off in 2 years when the oil would of started to make a profit for us.

oh by the way geoff51 i am able to connect up to my pc at home any where around the world using my lap top, with a satillite link up, so there no telling where i am at any giving time or moment, and when i dont answer if because i am on the road driving or i am busy doing some thing else.

geoff51 wrote:
Southy,
Are you actually fully employed? as you seem to have an inordinate amount of time to post on here, and before you return the question I am recovering from a recent heart attack
IW61 I ask the same Question?
The reason I ask this is because under your beloved socialist system everybody will be employed but nobody will want to buy what you make, look at BL Rover and the restrictive practices the unions insisted on eventually brought the demise of the british car industry.
And you want us to return another 5 years of that sort of Britain? Get real and smell the coffee

geoff
B: Rover was a nationalised Industry that was badly run. From what I can remember BL didnt exist in a Socialist Soviety unless you can show me a bit of UK history I missed out on.

For the record , Geoff old boy, I am employed, have been since 1986, I have even run my own business for 7 years. Anyone wishing to return to the days of 3/4 million unemployed, cuts in public services and the welfare state and the closure of viable businesses as seen under Thatcher/Major must need their head examined!!

I only sporadically visit this site to comment as I am too busy to bother and I know the Tories would love to work us all to death, but you wouldnt mind sparing me a tiny bit of time would you?

Southy and iw61, you two must be living on the same parallel universe, both totally lost in the past. That is all you can do, keep on about a past which you both warp, twist and bend, to try and make your point, and I have to say fail miserably. You are classic examples of why we are in the mess we are in today, having never recovered from the days when unions tried to rule the country. All they acheived was chaos and anarchy. Heaven forbid the day your like should ever get in to a position to do it all again

Southy and iw61, you two must be living on the same parallel universe, both totally lost in the past. That is all you can do, keep on about a past which you both warp, twist and bend, to try and make your point, and I have to say fail miserably. You are classic examples of why we are in the mess we are in today, having never recovered from the days when unions tried to rule the country. All they acheived was chaos and anarchy. Heaven forbid the day your like should ever get in to a position to do it all again

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
Southy and iw61, you two must be living on the same parallel universe, both totally lost in the past. That is all you can do, keep on about a past which you both warp, twist and bend, to try and make your point, and I have to say fail miserably. You are classic examples of why we are in the mess we are in today, having never recovered from the days when unions tried to rule the country. All they acheived was chaos and anarchy. Heaven forbid the day your like should ever get in to a position to do it all again

Phil.
Im all for the future mate. It was Geoff who started going on about BL not me. I just base my politics on my experience and my experience is that the Tories caused me more problems than any other political party have.
Why the hell then should I vote for Cameron?
Looking at todays polls more and more people are agreeing with me and will vote to stop giving us the misery of the 80s and early 90s.

Phil. What makes me laugh the most though is how you blame everything on Unions!!
It is you locked in a time warp. Unions have hardly any power today. They represent a small part of the workforce. Meanwhile the bankers who got us into this mess today...............
.......

I'm not suggesting that you vote for Cameron, just not for that shower masquerading as Labour. I agree that the unions have less power and influence now, but they still have with the Labour Party, who would sink without trace if the unions withdrew their funding. Recent episodes, the BA strike and the failed railway strike for example, are classic examples of unions trying to bring down companies, at the expense of their own members jobs. Bob Crowe's attitude, still arrogant, having been proved in court to be vote rigging, shows that you lot just can't change you old ways. You all are your own worst ememies. Just carry on as you are, you will get absolutely nowhere

southy wrote:

Cyber-Fug wrote:
As i have said, there is no credibility to your postings.

When the library opens tomorrow I would recommend that you go an read up on PASOK and PSOE !!

there is every credibility in what i say. just because it dont suit you in what i say you dont like it, and there is another way and a much better way
and refering to pasok and psoe books whitch was writen by a capitalist and is a long way from the real truth and is refering to the neo-revisionist socialist ideas and not the working on how it would work and why it works, and if you look deeper into what those two party and there leaders have done pasok (greece) and psoe (spain) they are not the action of a socialist. no socialist would vote for the joining of the EU we know to well we dont need the EU we can work together with the EU let alone saying yes to the lisbon treaty with out the vote of the public.
they got con just like we have with the labour party. it were capitalist have over ran the left and centre left partys and taken over because they know if they stood for what they really are they would be unelectable.
i know to well what is really happening in greece i have relations there that i keep in contact with. either in person or on the phone, and the people there are thinking about doing the same thing has what is happening here a new party to represent the ordinary people. in spain the true socialist party is the united left, and not the psoe
so another words socialist by name but not by nature.
one of the first things the socialist party would do in the uk is give the people the vote on the EU.
dont go by what they call them selfs or by what they say, go by there actions.
then look also look at why did those countrys go into free fall, it was't really of there own making, countrys like the uk and the usa cause the the problem and the ripples was sent out though the world. its the poorer capitalist countrys that gets hit harder, like lithuania they went pass being in a recession they went all the way into depression and the people there are in revolt, and if the depression last there much longer it will go back to being a communist country there is all ready calls there for them to return back to communism, just like what was formerly east germany the people there have had enough of capitalism and want to return to being what they where saying they was much better off than they are now. in the end the ordinary people will get there way one way or another

I rest my case....... so even a socialist government isn't a socialist government unless it gets your seal of approval !!

Has it EVER occurred to you that sometimes you may be wrong with your ideas ?

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
I'm not suggesting that you vote for Cameron, just not for that shower masquerading as Labour. I agree that the unions have less power and influence now, but they still have with the Labour Party, who would sink without trace if the unions withdrew their funding. Recent episodes, the BA strike and the failed railway strike for example, are classic examples of unions trying to bring down companies, at the expense of their own members jobs. Bob Crowe's attitude, still arrogant, having been proved in court to be vote rigging, shows that you lot just can't change you old ways. You all are your own worst ememies. Just carry on as you are, you will get absolutely nowhere

the main point is here phil, that the labour party was set up by the unions the rail union got it started funny how they are doing it again. it should be there political wing and they should be listen to the unions and trying to do what the unions are asking, the same way that that the tory party is the bosses political wing and are doing what the bosses are telling them what they want, labour is not doing what they should be doing they are doing the same has the tory party. but then you can only expect that from the labour party its been over ran by the capitilist aka right wing.

cyber-fug take note above this is what is happening in spain and in greece

its not a failed railway strike the anti-union laws have taken rights away from the ordinary people,
there was no vote rigging whats so ever, the rmt got the list of who to send to. (voting forms) from the mangerment legal requirement and all voting forms was sent to the people homes and not to there work places. the mangerment made the error but the rmt had to pay for there error. because the manerment failed to keep there records up to date, or they deliberately sent them the wrong information on who still in there employment and there location where they was first employed in.
i leave it in your hands to decide whitch it was, an error on mangerment for not keeping there records up to date, or a deliberate misleading of information of records. the later seems to more of the case because they was ready to quickly and knew where to get there results in a court ruling in there favour.
it dont matter much any way now, the results for a strike looks like it going to be higher than it as before, and tessa and aslef unions will be coming out on strike with them at the same time

cyber-fug said
quote"I rest my case....... so even a socialist government isn't a socialist government unless it gets your seal of approval !!"

your case has proven in what i am saying, if a group of people that are unelectable has in this case the right wing aka capitalist, then the unelectable joins the one that is electable and over takes it control it in there favour. like all right wing politics it will say what the majority of people wants to hear but do what they want to do, so all they are doing is the same has hitler did get to power and keep power and that was on the back of the ordinary people.
this is what has happen in the labour party it is run by the right wing aka capitalist. and not by the left has it should be.

Talk about being totally blinkered, only Southy would try to blame management for what a court proved was union vote rigging.
I'm sorry Southy but all of your argumenmts are so biggoted and biased that they lose any resemblance of credability

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
Talk about being totally blinkered, only Southy would try to blame management for what a court proved was union vote rigging.
I'm sorry Southy but all of your argumenmts are so biggoted and biased that they lose any resemblance of credability

no that is cold hard facts.
the unions have got to get the information from the mangerment who still works for them, mangerment has to supply the union the information on the names of who works for them, and the location of there work place or base from where they work from, requirement by law, this is one of the anti-union laws. its designed to slow things up.
the union do not send letter weather it be for voting or general information to there work place, the letters and any forms go to the members home address, requirement by law. again its designed to slow things up.
so sending voting forms to a signal box that dont excise never happened, all it was that those signal boxes was on the paper work that mangerment sent them, and it was just a small paper work technically. that they got away with.
so where was this so call ballot rigging, there was none and it sounds like its just your own false propaganda.
you have no credability now after trying to give out false propaganda.

So Southy, what you are actually saying is that the union have absolutely no idea who their members are, and how many members there are. So it's the managements fault that the union has no idea about their own members numbers or names. I'm sorry but when it comes to credibility you just continue to contradict yourself and shoot yourself in both feet.

Phil O'Sofical wrote:
So Southy, what you are actually saying is that the union have absolutely no idea who their members are, and how many members there are. So it's the managements fault that the union has no idea about their own members numbers or names. I'm sorry but when it comes to credibility you just continue to contradict yourself and shoot yourself in both feet.

off course they know who there members are, and where they work, but the anti-union laws says that they have to follow the law. and get the info from the company.
the anti-union laws are designed so that companys can dictate to its work force, stopping strikes or slow down the process of a strike.

requirement by law, is that the unions must get the information from the company who works for them and there location. on the company when ask by a union to supply that information they have to comform, with in 28 days
do you understand this part.

the unions are not allowed to send or give voting papers to its member while they are at work. they must be sent to there home address. and the names must be taken from the list that mangerment has provided, and not from the union list
do you understand this part.

whitch was followed to the letter by the unions. there was no argument over this part in the courts. all agreed that this was the case.

the arguement was on the paper work that managerment had sent to the unions, it contained a list of place that are no longer a work place like those signal boxes. the RMT team failed in noticing this, and should of sent the paper work back to managerment for correction. whitch in turn would of made the process even longer. but in the defence of the union how would they know if some one was or was not station at the disused signal boxes that not a union member or they could off belong to another union. the idea is that the mangerment sends them a list of there employees and the union cross reference with there members list.

the RMT done nothing wrong, they stayed with in the law. but had to pay because of a mangerment error that looks very much that is was done deliberately and they should of been drag over the hot coals for this, but they was not. instead the judge said the RMT was at fault because they never kept there records up to date. whitch is true all because the union never sent that paper work back for correction.

and if you carry on i will nail you to the cross, i dont want to i trying to be nice about it all, because your not thinking the obvious or avoiding the obvious, and you are only giving out political false propaganda that may or may not be your own. but if you carry on i will nail you to the cross with the one question that the majority of people do relise, who thinks the right way.

I just have to ask this. Why did you let this oaf into your town in the first place? He's a horrible and repulsive character who has done nothing for the country but spend tax payers' money to enrich himself. Some socialist! In 1993, as Deputy PM, he also vetoed a deal Harrogate Rugby club tried to strike with a builder. The deal would have safeguarded the club's future but Prescott decided that he would get involved, even though he has nothing whatsoever to do with our town. As a result the club is now likely to close after existing for over a century! What has Harrogate got to do with Prescott? Why couldn't he butt out? Why did he feel it was his place to dictate to our town? The man is an interfering busy-body who should stay at home in Hull and never be allowed to meddle in local affairs ever again. Thank God he's retired!

To Southy,
Ha Ha Ha getting rattled are we.
To Mickey M, York,
you are so right, the man is an embarressing Bafoon, just the sort that Southy supports