Ambitious multi-million-pound plan for Southampton docks

Daily Echo: Multi-million pound docks vision Multi-million pound docks vision

THIS is the first view of a multi-millionpound vision to transform Southampton’s old docks into a major tourist attraction.

Historians have teamed up with the port owner and Southampton City Council for an ambitious scheme that will open the docks to the public.

The proposed centrepiece is a new aircraft museum that will be built over a dry dock next to Ocean Terminal.

The attraction, set to replace the Solent Sky Museum, would have a fullsize replica of the stern of SS Olympic, Titanic’s sister ship, built inside the old dry dock.

It will also be home to a docks visitor centre, overlooking Southampton Water, featuring interactive displays explaining the port’s operations.

Question marks remain over how the waterfront development will be funded.

It is likely that most of the cash will have to come from massive grants from arts and development organisations.

A senior Southampton City Council councillor said some cash could also come from the sale of the publiclyowned Solent Sky Museum site.

Associated British Ports, which owns the docks, is close to signing a long-term lease with a charitable trust set up to bring the vision to reality.

The agreement, which would include a nominal rent, would see the port bosses hand over a section of the Trafalgar dry dock and berth 50.

Solent Sky curator Alan Jones, the driving force behind the new scheme – named Aeronautica at Southampton – said it would open within five years.

He described it as “one of the most important heritage attractions on the south coast”.

The centre, first revealed in the Daily Echo 15 months ago, will tell the story of Southampton’s rich maritime and aviation history.

It will provide a permanent home for historical vessels including the tug tender Calshot, HMS Medusa, SS Shieldhall and Challenge.

The Calshot Spit lightship, a landmark at Ocean Village for two decades, will be moved to Trafalgar Dry Dock on Thursday.

Once the 95-year-old red ship is restored to her former glory, she will go on display at the dock head and be reopened to the public.

Port director Doug Morrison said that for the first time the public would be allowed “controlled access”

into the heart of the docks.

Mr Morrison said that on non-cruise ship days, visitors would be invited to use the car park normally reserved for cruise passengers passing through Ocean Terminal.

ABP is also looking at reopening dock gate 5 at Town Quay, which is currently used for parking by Red Funnel passengers, to allow pedestrians to walk along the quay wall to berth 50.

“Sometimes we get some criticism about not allowing access, but here we are trying to allow controlled access that will allow people to see a working port,” he said.

“It will be fabulous and we support wholeheartedly the plans, but in the economic climate it remains to be seen where the funding will come from. We will not be making any capital investment.

“We are trying to agree a long-term lease with Aeronautica, which will be a peppercorn rent. Our commitment will be allowing use of the land.”

Councillor John Hannides said the waterfront attraction would “complement” the £15m Sea City Museum planned for the civic centre.

The city council’s Cabinet member for leisure, culture and heritage said the council would consider looking into selling Solent Sky, estimated to be worth £2m to £3m, and gifting some of the proceeds to the project.

Later this year a funding bid – vital to the future of the attraction – will be submitted to the Heritage Lottery Fund.

If successful, trams could return to Southampton for the first time in half a century.

One idea is for a “heritage tramway” to operate along the quay wall between Town Quay and berth 50.

Civil engineering students at Southampton University, who recently completed a feasibility study, estimated the 700-metre route would cost about £800,000.

The students – Oli Swain, Kathy Lam, Kate Martin and Vicky Grove – concluded that the new tracks and power cables need to be installed, but one of the city’s old double- decker trams could be brought back into service.

A 105-year-old pump house, which once opened the dock’s enormous gates, could also be restored to its former glory, though is likely to remain out of working order.

Aircraft exhibits from Solent Sky, including the Supermarine S6, Sandringham Flying Boat and Spitfire, would all be rehoused in the museum.

A £50,000 feasibility study into the scheme will be launched later this summer.

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12:32pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Brite Spark says...

I like the ship in the picture is it the new Queen Elizabeth?
I like the ship in the picture is it the new Queen Elizabeth? Brite Spark
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12:44pm Mon 14 Jun 10

DCM says...

Cue all the haters who just want everything to fail so that they can say "I told you so"......
Cue all the haters who just want everything to fail so that they can say "I told you so"...... DCM
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12:47pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Elgy says...

Is this the thing that's replacing the pier? It looks massive, that's all. Although it's something to see in Southampton at long last!
Is this the thing that's replacing the pier? It looks massive, that's all. Although it's something to see in Southampton at long last! Elgy
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12:54pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Spot O'Bother says...

It looks like a huge cash register. A cue for 'Open all hours'?

Noakes could be Nurse Gladys Emmanuel. :-)
It looks like a huge cash register. A cue for 'Open all hours'? Noakes could be Nurse Gladys Emmanuel. :-) Spot O'Bother
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12:58pm Mon 14 Jun 10

soton1980 says...

I'm impressed. Finally someone has been a bit more ambitious and designed something which would truely be able to compete with the museums in Portsmouth. This is far better than the half-ar*ed plans we usually get. Lets just hope that this actually gets built as Southampton is crying out for a decent tourist/leisure development like this.
I'm impressed. Finally someone has been a bit more ambitious and designed something which would truely be able to compete with the museums in Portsmouth. This is far better than the half-ar*ed plans we usually get. Lets just hope that this actually gets built as Southampton is crying out for a decent tourist/leisure development like this. soton1980
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1:03pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Family Man says...

1) Looks good
2) Precisely where is it going to be?
3) How many flats will be developed to partially pay for it?
4) How many existing businesses could be displaced?

Ambitious yes! Realistic? I shan't hold my breath...
1) Looks good 2) Precisely where is it going to be? 3) How many flats will be developed to partially pay for it? 4) How many existing businesses could be displaced? Ambitious yes! Realistic? I shan't hold my breath... Family Man
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1:06pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Stillness says...

Picture courtesy of a two year old.
Picture courtesy of a two year old. Stillness
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1:07pm Mon 14 Jun 10

StEmmosfire says...

Great ambition, hope it works. Looking forward to the CAD images once they are available. Get a better feel for the new development. The artist impression isnt that great to be honest.
Great ambition, hope it works. Looking forward to the CAD images once they are available. Get a better feel for the new development. The artist impression isnt that great to be honest. StEmmosfire
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1:22pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Call2Arms says...

It does look good, but two questions....
1. Why an aircraft museum?
2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern?

Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy.
Glad they are showing some ambition though.
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though. Call2Arms
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1:28pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Tommy News says...

Lets hope it will be a great success! It is time we out did Pompei!

The Echo report really does not do it justice. The scheme will incorporate the Aviation museum and be located next to the cruise terminal in dock gate 4. So excellent location to catch trade. Added to which the spitfire statue will be situated.
Lets hope it will be a great success! It is time we out did Pompei! The Echo report really does not do it justice. The scheme will incorporate the Aviation museum and be located next to the cruise terminal in dock gate 4. So excellent location to catch trade. Added to which the spitfire statue will be situated. Tommy News
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1:30pm Mon 14 Jun 10

joenice says...

Like it, lets hope they pull it off.
Like it, lets hope they pull it off. joenice
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1:33pm Mon 14 Jun 10

ToastyTea says...

yawnnnn another southampton WOW factor that will never happen.
yawnnnn another southampton WOW factor that will never happen. ToastyTea
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1:37pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Jammy Donut says...

This has been revealed so many times by the Echo.......how about some firm facts and not some dream on a press release
This has been revealed so many times by the Echo.......how about some firm facts and not some dream on a press release Jammy Donut
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1:41pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Brite Spark says...

How about an ice rink?
How about an ice rink? Brite Spark
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1:43pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Stillness says...

joenice wrote:
Like it, lets hope they pull it off.
Yes. They are very good at pulling off.
[quote][p][bold]joenice[/bold] wrote: Like it, lets hope they pull it off.[/p][/quote]Yes. They are very good at pulling off. Stillness
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1:50pm Mon 14 Jun 10

veracity says...

Great initiative
however..
1. who will shell out the £15m?
2. are abp[ Ok with access as it sits right next to the new cruise terminal
3. are the city council/ heritage people ok with the site. apparently when no 6 dry dock was filled in about 10-15 yrs ago some 'jobs worth' refused permission to fill in the last bit of the dry dock as it had
'special hertiage associations
4. is southy Ok with it. He will probably say it will cause a landslip somehere, ruin fishing rights, prevent people launching their boats or refer to some kings charter from 1640 which prevents devlopment in this area
5. finally shame the maritime museum planned for the Civic Centre couldnt have been sited alongside this proposal in order to maximise interest
Great initiative however.. 1. who will shell out the £15m? 2. are abp[ Ok with access as it sits right next to the new cruise terminal 3. are the city council/ heritage people ok with the site. apparently when no 6 dry dock was filled in about 10-15 yrs ago some 'jobs worth' refused permission to fill in the last bit of the dry dock as it had 'special hertiage associations 4. is southy Ok with it. He will probably say it will cause a landslip somehere, ruin fishing rights, prevent people launching their boats or refer to some kings charter from 1640 which prevents devlopment in this area 5. finally shame the maritime museum planned for the Civic Centre couldnt have been sited alongside this proposal in order to maximise interest veracity
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2:01pm Mon 14 Jun 10

jimbobbo says...

I've just bought a 'new-build' near this. Hopefully is will push up the value by a few grand. Lovely xx
I've just bought a 'new-build' near this. Hopefully is will push up the value by a few grand. Lovely xx jimbobbo
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2:03pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Linesman says...

Call2Arms wrote:
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1.
Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built?

Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan.

That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
[quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate. Linesman
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2:10pm Mon 14 Jun 10

loulay says...

Like the idea of the mock up of the OLYMPIC as both my Father and Grand Father both served on it.
Like the idea of the mock up of the OLYMPIC as both my Father and Grand Father both served on it. loulay
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2:21pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Brite Spark says...

And his father's father, and his father's father's father, and his father's father's father's father!
And his father's father, and his father's father's father, and his father's father's father's father! Brite Spark
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2:29pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Spot O'Bother says...

Veracity, No. 4 had me in stitches.
:-)
Veracity, No. 4 had me in stitches. :-) Spot O'Bother
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2:41pm Mon 14 Jun 10

veracity says...

Spot O'Bother wrote:
Veracity, No. 4 had me in stitches.
:-)
Thats a bummer then. Thought I was being deadly serious!!
[quote][p][bold]Spot O'Bother[/bold] wrote: Veracity, No. 4 had me in stitches. :-)[/p][/quote]Thats a bummer then. Thought I was being deadly serious!! veracity
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3:08pm Mon 14 Jun 10

StEmmosfire says...

Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum! StEmmosfire
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3:10pm Mon 14 Jun 10

legod7 says...

Call2Arms wrote:
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE.
As the article pointed out the Titanic museum is going to be in the CIVIC CENTRE.
The aircraft museum is to replace the Solent Sky museum.
Southampton has a well known aircraft heritage going back to the Spitfire being built here & the Hovercraft being invented here
[quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE. As the article pointed out the Titanic museum is going to be in the CIVIC CENTRE. The aircraft museum is to replace the Solent Sky museum. Southampton has a well known aircraft heritage going back to the Spitfire being built here & the Hovercraft being invented here legod7
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3:54pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Brite Spark says...

It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup!
It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup! Brite Spark
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4:01pm Mon 14 Jun 10

StEmmosfire says...

Brite Spark wrote:
It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup!
Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup![/p][/quote]Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh? StEmmosfire
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4:02pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Ben Doone says...

Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote:
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1.
Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built?

Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan.

That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Linesman
Interesting point you make here.
Soton was very active in the development of the aeronautical industry.
My understanding was that RJ Mitchell developed the Spitfire (and its marine predecessor which won the Schnieder(?) Trophy) at the SuperMarine works in Woolston (the Art Deco building that used to be next to the Ferry - is it still?)
Beforehand Bert Hinkler was famous for his aeronautical adventures using the old Airport
However, as the Supermarine factory was already fully geared up building other aircraft (bombers?) production was centered at Castle Bromwich in the Midlands.
Interestingly, after the war, the factory site was turned over to car manufacture and a good many of the cars have been exported out of Soton Docks (most latterly Land Rovers?)
The word 'Airport' was reportedly first used in the 1930's and related to the seaplane activity which had started around the same time in newly created Western Docks.
Beforehand airports were known as Aerodromes
Finally a last bit of useless info. Gordon-Keeble used to have a car manufacturing plant on the Eastleigh airport site and Briggs had a body plant before the company was incorporated into Fords in the 70's
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Linesman Interesting point you make here. Soton was very active in the development of the aeronautical industry. My understanding was that RJ Mitchell developed the Spitfire (and its marine predecessor which won the Schnieder(?) Trophy) at the SuperMarine works in Woolston (the Art Deco building that used to be next to the Ferry - is it still?) Beforehand Bert Hinkler was famous for his aeronautical adventures using the old Airport However, as the Supermarine factory was already fully geared up building other aircraft (bombers?) production was centered at Castle Bromwich in the Midlands. Interestingly, after the war, the factory site was turned over to car manufacture and a good many of the cars have been exported out of Soton Docks (most latterly Land Rovers?) The word 'Airport' was reportedly first used in the 1930's and related to the seaplane activity which had started around the same time in newly created Western Docks. Beforehand airports were known as Aerodromes Finally a last bit of useless info. Gordon-Keeble used to have a car manufacturing plant on the Eastleigh airport site and Briggs had a body plant before the company was incorporated into Fords in the 70's Ben Doone
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4:19pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Brite Spark says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup!
Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?
Don't give me that I know my stuff, before WW2 the Brits would regularly give the Fokkas from Germany a good seeing to in The Solent.
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup![/p][/quote]Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?[/p][/quote]Don't give me that I know my stuff, before WW2 the Brits would regularly give the Fokkas from Germany a good seeing to in The Solent. Brite Spark
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4:24pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Linesman says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport.
However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum![/p][/quote]Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe. Linesman
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4:24pm Mon 14 Jun 10

StEmmosfire says...

Brite Spark wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup!
Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?
Don't give me that I know my stuff, before WW2 the Brits would regularly give the Fokkas from Germany a good seeing to in The Solent.
Calm down, I wasnt suggesting anything! Was just saying I could have checked before posting but couldnt be @rsed..... Cup/Trophy the Schneider bit was important :-)
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup![/p][/quote]Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?[/p][/quote]Don't give me that I know my stuff, before WW2 the Brits would regularly give the Fokkas from Germany a good seeing to in The Solent.[/p][/quote]Calm down, I wasnt suggesting anything! Was just saying I could have checked before posting but couldnt be @rsed..... Cup/Trophy the Schneider bit was important :-) StEmmosfire
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10:05pm Mon 14 Jun 10

StEmmosfire says...

Linesman wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.
Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum![/p][/quote]Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.[/p][/quote]Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from. StEmmosfire
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10:33pm Mon 14 Jun 10

Stillness says...

Aquila Airways flew flying boats from the site at Calshot.
Aquila Airways flew flying boats from the site at Calshot. Stillness
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11:13pm Mon 14 Jun 10

southy says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
the schneider trophy was also raced in other countrys and its full name for this trophy was "la Coupe de'aviation maritime jacques schneider. bit off a mouthfull so the brits just called it schneider trophy.
the first race was in monaco, what was ment to be the first race in the uk was ment to been at bournemouth but got cancelled in 1919, in 1922 britian won it for the first time in napoli in a sea loin mk2 then lost in the next race location of race was cows, then in 1927 the supermarine S.5 won in venezia, and won the next 2 races meetings both location calshot, in 1929 with supermarine S.6 and 1931 with supermarine S.6B.
locations off the places off the race meeting was monaco 1913 and 1914, 1919 cancalled, venezia 1920 / 21 / 27, napoli 1922, cowes 1923, baltimore 1924, hampton roads 1925, calshot 1929 and 1931 there was no race meeting in the years 1915 to 1919, 1928 and 1930. and 1931 was the last time, because no one was willing to put up the money for a new trophy after britian won the race 3 times in a row.
your right about the connection off air and port, and monaco was even an earlier airport than southampton.
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum![/p][/quote]the schneider trophy was also raced in other countrys and its full name for this trophy was "la Coupe de'aviation maritime jacques schneider. bit off a mouthfull so the brits just called it schneider trophy. the first race was in monaco, what was ment to be the first race in the uk was ment to been at bournemouth but got cancelled in 1919, in 1922 britian won it for the first time in napoli in a sea loin mk2 then lost in the next race location of race was cows, then in 1927 the supermarine S.5 won in venezia, and won the next 2 races meetings both location calshot, in 1929 with supermarine S.6 and 1931 with supermarine S.6B. locations off the places off the race meeting was monaco 1913 and 1914, 1919 cancalled, venezia 1920 / 21 / 27, napoli 1922, cowes 1923, baltimore 1924, hampton roads 1925, calshot 1929 and 1931 there was no race meeting in the years 1915 to 1919, 1928 and 1930. and 1931 was the last time, because no one was willing to put up the money for a new trophy after britian won the race 3 times in a row. your right about the connection off air and port, and monaco was even an earlier airport than southampton. southy
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11:34pm Mon 14 Jun 10

WoolstonSean says...

Now where is Southy, I would have thought he would have made an apprearance on this topic unless he has gone off somewhere from his favourite airport 'Bournemouth'!
But how refreshing to read other people's view's without getting wound up by his stupid comments!
Now where is Southy, I would have thought he would have made an apprearance on this topic unless he has gone off somewhere from his favourite airport 'Bournemouth'! But how refreshing to read other people's view's without getting wound up by his stupid comments! WoolstonSean
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11:42pm Mon 14 Jun 10

southy says...

WoolstonSean wrote:
Now where is Southy, I would have thought he would have made an apprearance on this topic unless he has gone off somewhere from his favourite airport 'Bournemouth'!
But how refreshing to read other people's view's without getting wound up by his stupid comments!
do you need glasses.
[quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: Now where is Southy, I would have thought he would have made an apprearance on this topic unless he has gone off somewhere from his favourite airport 'Bournemouth'! But how refreshing to read other people's view's without getting wound up by his stupid comments![/p][/quote]do you need glasses. southy
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11:54pm Mon 14 Jun 10

OSPREYSAINT says...

Call2Arms wrote:
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
1) Why not an aircraft Museum?, it is to replace the one we already have, (I bet 99% of you have never seen it) which although very good is looking a bit run down, it needs more space to display the excellent collection of historic aircraft.

2) There are conspiracy theories that ship that sank was not actually the original Titanic, but in fact one of it's sisters, but that is another story.
Although the Titanic is a crowd puller, there is much more maritime heritage that needs to be portrayed. I would hope other modes of transport could be included.

I am always sceptical of these schemes and if it does get started there should be major clauses included to prevent things going off half coc|ked leaving us with a half built dinosaur.
[quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]1) Why not an aircraft Museum?, it is to replace the one we already have, (I bet 99% of you have never seen it) which although very good is looking a bit run down, it needs more space to display the excellent collection of historic aircraft. 2) There are conspiracy theories that ship that sank was not actually the original Titanic, but in fact one of it's sisters, but that is another story. Although the Titanic is a crowd puller, there is much more maritime heritage that needs to be portrayed. I would hope other modes of transport could be included. I am always sceptical of these schemes and if it does get started there should be major clauses included to prevent things going off half coc|ked leaving us with a half built dinosaur. OSPREYSAINT
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8:49am Tue 15 Jun 10

Redback says...

I wonder if the local bookies give odds on any of these schemes actually happening?
I wonder if the local bookies give odds on any of these schemes actually happening? Redback
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9:16am Tue 15 Jun 10

Linesman says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.
Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.
The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived.
During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service.
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum![/p][/quote]Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.[/p][/quote]Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.[/p][/quote]The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived. During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service. Linesman
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9:27am Tue 15 Jun 10

Call2Arms says...

That's all very well about the Schneider trophy etc, and it is historically important for the area. The question I ask is will an aircraft museum pull in the crowds? As someone said "I bet 99% of you have never seen it". That's right and we live here!
I just think that the Titanic has global interest and someone could build an amazing interactive experience which would bring tourists in from all over the place.
Nothing against the historic value of flying boats, or the Olympic, just thinking about what would bring the most people to the region - and what would be the most interesting.
Oh and for those that accused me of not reading the article, when I first read it, it was half the size it is now and had a lot less info.
That's all very well about the Schneider trophy etc, and it is historically important for the area. The question I ask is will an aircraft museum pull in the crowds? As someone said "I bet 99% of you have never seen it". That's right and we live here! I just think that the Titanic has global interest and someone could build an amazing interactive experience which would bring tourists in from all over the place. Nothing against the historic value of flying boats, or the Olympic, just thinking about what would bring the most people to the region - and what would be the most interesting. Oh and for those that accused me of not reading the article, when I first read it, it was half the size it is now and had a lot less info. Call2Arms
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9:50am Tue 15 Jun 10

Brite Spark says...

I think the museum should be designed around a full size mock up of a 1970's Red Funnel Ferry, there could be a drive thru section on the car deck where the City's history could be displayed on the bulkheads. 'Up top' (sailors dont say upstairs!) could be bars and restaurants and interactive stuff. Below decks we could have an aircraft museum. Red Funnel and their staff have been part of the city for decades, Titanic was here for just a few days.
I think the museum should be designed around a full size mock up of a 1970's Red Funnel Ferry, there could be a drive thru section on the car deck where the City's history could be displayed on the bulkheads. 'Up top' (sailors dont say upstairs!) could be bars and restaurants and interactive stuff. Below decks we could have an aircraft museum. Red Funnel and their staff have been part of the city for decades, Titanic was here for just a few days. Brite Spark
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9:59am Tue 15 Jun 10

Brite Spark says...

Deck C could be used as an ice rink.
Deck C could be used as an ice rink. Brite Spark
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10:49am Tue 15 Jun 10

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.
Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.
The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived.
During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service.
there was also a jetty for passengers at calshot, before the war, i believe the jetty is still there, was never use again for flying boat passengers when the war started or after the war. like you said the raf moved in.
it was only B.O.A.C that taxied to southampton.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum![/p][/quote]Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.[/p][/quote]Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.[/p][/quote]The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived. During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service.[/p][/quote]there was also a jetty for passengers at calshot, before the war, i believe the jetty is still there, was never use again for flying boat passengers when the war started or after the war. like you said the raf moved in. it was only B.O.A.C that taxied to southampton. southy
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10:54am Tue 15 Jun 10

Ben Doone says...

Linesman wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.
Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.
The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived. During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service.
Interesting info on the Flying Boats
Certainly remember the big old Flying Boats that used to be laid up at Calshot.
However I am pretty certain that the take off landing area used to be a designated area off Netley which used to be marked on the marine map of Soton Water. Wasnt there an accident there some years ago involving a seaplane in which a Mayor of Soton drowned?
The original Flying Boats used the Terminal at 108 berth in the Western Docks, operated by Imperial Airways to destinations such as S Africa (via Med, Egypt and Kenya)and later India, Singapore, Australia and USA.
This was in 1934. The Terminal was made of wood.
Post War a new Flying Boat Terminal was provided for BOAC at 50 berth (next to the proposed site of the new museum) but this didnt last too long and the Terminal building was taken over by the RNVR and renamed HMS Wessex.
I believe the remains of the concrete berting dolphins provided for the Flying Boats still remain
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.[/p][/quote]In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.[/p][/quote]Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum![/p][/quote]Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.[/p][/quote]Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.[/p][/quote]The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived. During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service.[/p][/quote]Interesting info on the Flying Boats Certainly remember the big old Flying Boats that used to be laid up at Calshot. However I am pretty certain that the take off landing area used to be a designated area off Netley which used to be marked on the marine map of Soton Water. Wasnt there an accident there some years ago involving a seaplane in which a Mayor of Soton drowned? The original Flying Boats used the Terminal at 108 berth in the Western Docks, operated by Imperial Airways to destinations such as S Africa (via Med, Egypt and Kenya)and later India, Singapore, Australia and USA. This was in 1934. The Terminal was made of wood. Post War a new Flying Boat Terminal was provided for BOAC at 50 berth (next to the proposed site of the new museum) but this didnt last too long and the Terminal building was taken over by the RNVR and renamed HMS Wessex. I believe the remains of the concrete berting dolphins provided for the Flying Boats still remain Ben Doone
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10:58am Tue 15 Jun 10

thesouth says...

I don't like the design, it's monsterous, museums should be elegant, give it a few years and that design will look run down and an eyesaw.
Plus, so much £ is being spent at the top of town on the titanic museum, do we need another similar one there? Why not make the area more 'local' and have bars shops restaurants markets etc (nice ones, not like the old ocean village) like gunwharf
I don't like the design, it's monsterous, museums should be elegant, give it a few years and that design will look run down and an eyesaw. Plus, so much £ is being spent at the top of town on the titanic museum, do we need another similar one there? Why not make the area more 'local' and have bars shops restaurants markets etc (nice ones, not like the old ocean village) like gunwharf thesouth
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11:34am Tue 15 Jun 10

Zeo says...

700 meter of tram track @ £800,000, I Think running a whole line from Railway Station straight through town (including go though the pedestrian part) under Bargate and down to the quay that way.

Stops at;
Central Station (P1 Side)
Civic Centre
Above Bar Street (The Mall)
Bargate (Shopping Centre)
Town Quay (Red Funnel)

It would generate more money and allow people to catch it straight from the train right down to the ferry also direct into town... though stiff competition from the free bus link service doing the same route.
700 meter of tram track @ £800,000, I Think running a whole line from Railway Station straight through town (including go though the pedestrian part) under Bargate and down to the quay that way. Stops at; Central Station (P1 Side) Civic Centre Above Bar Street (The Mall) Bargate (Shopping Centre) Town Quay (Red Funnel) It would generate more money and allow people to catch it straight from the train right down to the ferry also direct into town... though stiff competition from the free bus link service doing the same route. Zeo
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11:36am Tue 15 Jun 10

Ben Doone says...

Ironically when Sir Christopher Wren designed St Pauls he came in for a lot of criticism, at the time, for its 'inappropriate countenance'.
So design is very much in the mind of the beholder.
I think the commercial development of the Test river waterfront will come if everthe Royal Pier/Town Quay/Mayflower Park development occurs
Ironically when Sir Christopher Wren designed St Pauls he came in for a lot of criticism, at the time, for its 'inappropriate countenance'. So design is very much in the mind of the beholder. I think the commercial development of the Test river waterfront will come if everthe Royal Pier/Town Quay/Mayflower Park development occurs Ben Doone
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12:42pm Tue 15 Jun 10

printbunny says...

Stillness wrote:
Picture courtesy of a two year old.
YEP...horrible architectural illustration. You need to sell this to the people of Southampton long before it's built
You should have got the guy who did that epic itchen bridge/spitfire painting to do it.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Picture courtesy of a two year old.[/p][/quote]YEP...horrible architectural illustration. You need to sell this to the people of Southampton long before it's built You should have got the guy who did that epic itchen bridge/spitfire painting to do it. printbunny
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1:54pm Tue 15 Jun 10

Dave of Dibden says...

Why not build a contianer terminal, much more sense
Why not build a contianer terminal, much more sense Dave of Dibden
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2:29pm Tue 15 Jun 10

Mustafa J says...

I very much applaud the ambition of having a new cultural attraction to the city but I am concerned the architectural design of such a museum does not match this ambition. I do hope the council and the developer seek the very best architectural talent from across the UK and tender this enticing project via a RIBA organised competition, or similar. Otherwise we will have another compromised architectural mis-hap that has plague the city of late that is neither wholeheartedly modern and avant guarde, or respectful of the few remains of urban heritage, but instead it will be an utterly mediocre edifice. Please, whoever has the power to decided on such matters, seize this opportunity! Do not go for an architectural practice that will hardly consider this design opportunity and instead want to get the drawings out the door as quick as possible in order to retain profit margins that reflect the low fee bid that has undercut creative design practices in the first place.
I very much applaud the ambition of having a new cultural attraction to the city but I am concerned the architectural design of such a museum does not match this ambition. I do hope the council and the developer seek the very best architectural talent from across the UK and tender this enticing project via a RIBA organised competition, or similar. Otherwise we will have another compromised architectural mis-hap that has plague the city of late that is neither wholeheartedly modern and avant guarde, or respectful of the few remains of urban heritage, but instead it will be an utterly mediocre edifice. Please, whoever has the power to decided on such matters, seize this opportunity! Do not go for an architectural practice that will hardly consider this design opportunity and instead want to get the drawings out the door as quick as possible in order to retain profit margins that reflect the low fee bid that has undercut creative design practices in the first place. Mustafa J
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2:42pm Tue 15 Jun 10

goard says...

I agree the building knocked me sideways, in horror. I suppose we all can't be pleased but look at the sides of the structure. To have a face-on of the building one would have to be out on the water. Rather reminds me of the horrendous place on the sea front of Bournemouth (now, hopefully to be removed). The powers that decide the planning of our City have a dislike or a jaundiced view of design, or they can't stand us and are getting their own back - look at the out of keeping with the Civic Centre - I feel sick to the stomach.

goard
I agree the building knocked me sideways, in horror. I suppose we all can't be pleased but look at the sides of the structure. To have a face-on of the building one would have to be out on the water. Rather reminds me of the horrendous place on the sea front of Bournemouth (now, hopefully to be removed). The powers that decide the planning of our City have a dislike or a jaundiced view of design, or they can't stand us and are getting their own back - look at the out of keeping with the Civic Centre - I feel sick to the stomach. goard goard
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5:00pm Tue 15 Jun 10

Ben Doone says...

Goard
Suggest you go to Barcelona, Valencia, Madrid or La Defense in Paris and a few other places to view modern architecture.
I am a traditionalist by nature but can see merit in modern styles.
Anything is better than the drab, utilitarian designs of post war Britain which lasted up to the 1970's
Goard Suggest you go to Barcelona, Valencia, Madrid or La Defense in Paris and a few other places to view modern architecture. I am a traditionalist by nature but can see merit in modern styles. Anything is better than the drab, utilitarian designs of post war Britain which lasted up to the 1970's Ben Doone
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2:38pm Wed 16 Jun 10

OSPREYSAINT says...

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Why not build a contianer terminal, much more sense
I know a better site for a Container Port, it is called Dibden Bay.
[quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Why not build a contianer terminal, much more sense[/p][/quote]I know a better site for a Container Port, it is called Dibden Bay. OSPREYSAINT
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