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8:15am Wednesday 24th November 2010 in Southampton
By Jenny Makin, Assistant News Editor
A WALL in Southampton where elusive aerosol painter Banksy left his mark with an eye-catching design has been painted over, the Daily Echo can this morning reveal.
It's not known who is responsible for daubing white paint over the top of drawing of a monochrome young boy who appears to be sat on a pavement holding a balloon with the words "no future" in red letters above.
A stunned city resident discovered what had happened when he took a detour on his way to work early this morning to see the masterpiece.
Experts yesterday had told the Echo that the work, on the wall of a private house in Bevois Valley, could be worth more than £20,000.
It's thought Banksy, whose fans include Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, left his mark on the wall in the middle of the night as he made his way to the Isle of Wight.
Mark Westerman, 42, from Thornhill, who works in telesales at FPS Ltd in St Mary's, said: "I've only ever seen Banksy's work on TV or on the internet, so I thought I'd go and have a quick look at it on the way to work and there it was - ruined.
"It's unbelievable. Basically someone has gone over it with half a dozen strokes. You can just about see the drawing through that paint."
Comments(70)
freemantlegirl2
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8:40am Wed 24 Nov 10
wizzle wrote:Have to agree, although I guess it could be the homeowner ..... or a ConDem who disagrees! ;)
I dont mean to be sounding like "i told you so", but what did they expect after advertising it in the paper and stating how much its worth. There will always be someone who has the sick mind to ruin things!
Saint Cope
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8:40am Wed 24 Nov 10
Dasal
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8:47am Wed 24 Nov 10
sotonwinch09
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8:48am Wed 24 Nov 10
JimmyLondon
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8:58am Wed 24 Nov 10
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Not sure about the homeowner scenario seenig as the value of their house would have gone up!
wizzle wrote: I dont mean to be sounding like "i told you so", but what did they expect after advertising it in the paper and stating how much its worth. There will always be someone who has the sick mind to ruin things!Have to agree, although I guess it could be the homeowner ..... or a ConDem who disagrees! ;) If not homeowner then there are some v. sad people about....
bigfella
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9:06am Wed 24 Nov 10
Elgy
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9:12am Wed 24 Nov 10
Walter K
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9:14am Wed 24 Nov 10
Sainty saint saint
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9:17am Wed 24 Nov 10
Dasal wrote:Doubt it. More likely a middle-aged, middle-classed, victorian-principled
Probably being judgemental - but the words "student" and "alcohol" spring to mind !!!!
Will now wait for backlash!!!!
hulla baloo
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9:26am Wed 24 Nov 10
SOULJACKER
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9:31am Wed 24 Nov 10
hythe knights
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9:40am Wed 24 Nov 10
Elgy
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9:44am Wed 24 Nov 10
stellaknella
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9:47am Wed 24 Nov 10
No_Fuss
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9:47am Wed 24 Nov 10
Carpe Diem
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9:55am Wed 24 Nov 10
RadicalEmu
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9:55am Wed 24 Nov 10
Saint Cope
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10:02am Wed 24 Nov 10
hulla baloo wrote:Two banky's appeared on the Isle of Wight around the same time as this one (which have already been painted over by the IOW council). They were all confirmed as genuine as they are all on his official website
Considering the identity of Banksy is 'unconfirmed', I would be interested to know how the Echo were aware of his travel plans to the IOW.
StEmmosfire
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10:17am Wed 24 Nov 10
Theopolis Cirumnavigator
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10:19am Wed 24 Nov 10
StEmmosfire
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10:41am Wed 24 Nov 10
StEmmosfire wrote:yes that should be who!
Bet half you lot didnt even know how Banksy was yesterday. It's all just a stunt.
StEmmosfire
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10:46am Wed 24 Nov 10
Walter K wrote:Well move then - might get our ratio back up.
Doesn't surprise me.....Southampton is over populated with culture starved brain dead idiots wallowing in their own levels of unintelligence.
Rudd Gillett
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10:59am Wed 24 Nov 10
solent.student
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11:17am Wed 24 Nov 10
ourkid1984
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11:19am Wed 24 Nov 10
Iheartsaints
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11:31am Wed 24 Nov 10
liquidshokk
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11:50am Wed 24 Nov 10
Walter K
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11:53am Wed 24 Nov 10
StEmmosfire wrote:I do not reside in Southampton Enoch. Village life for me, although we do have a vacancy for an Idiot. You undoubtedly qualify, however, the rather unpleasant undertones of your personality may affect your application.
Walter K wrote: Doesn't surprise me.....Southampton is over populated with culture starved brain dead idiots wallowing in their own levels of unintelligence.Well move then - might get our ratio back up.
Spot O'Bother
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11:55am Wed 24 Nov 10
Saints1
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12:00pm Wed 24 Nov 10
spotburst
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12:01pm Wed 24 Nov 10
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
PGA-
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12:05pm Wed 24 Nov 10
solent.student
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12:13pm Wed 24 Nov 10
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
davesbabe
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12:26pm Wed 24 Nov 10
soton1980
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12:29pm Wed 24 Nov 10
No_Fuss
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12:30pm Wed 24 Nov 10
stuhoyland
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12:32pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Keith Oftergrass
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12:42pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Ozmosis
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12:42pm Wed 24 Nov 10
aberis
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12:56pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Keith Oftergrass wrote:Agreed, Graffiti is vandalism, however the owner of the house this was on obviously felt it wasn't graffiti!!
Quite right too ! Graffitti is VANDALISM and it should be painted out as soon as it appears lest it encourages other vandals.
Good on the person who took this action, we (or the Daily Echo) should not be championing law breakers - Art ? I think not.
southy
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1:06pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Sainty saint saint wrote:your probably closer to the truth, because of the message it carried. can't have a social message for all to see in the open, things might start changing.
Dasal wrote:Doubt it. More likely a middle-aged, middle-classed, victorian-principled
Probably being judgemental - but the words "student" and "alcohol" spring to mind !!!!
Will now wait for backlash!!!!
, anti-youth-movement, dinosaur - I bet the paint used was even magnolia!
And 'jealous chavs' would have used spray paint to deface it I reckon.
I think it was a 'concerned citizen' who just doesn't like the way the world is changing. Sad sad sad sad sad.
freemantlegirl2
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1:10pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Keith Oftergrass wrote:Never ceases to amaze me that they're are some miserable people about! Charles Dickens come back please....
Quite right too ! Graffitti is VANDALISM and it should be painted out as soon as it appears lest it encourages other vandals.
Good on the person who took this action, we (or the Daily Echo) should not be championing law breakers - Art ? I think not.
southy
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1:12pm Wed 24 Nov 10
PGA-
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1:14pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Ozmosis wrote:Having seen a number of his works and been to his recent exhibition in Bristol, I would disagree as the script he using changes from piece to piece. If this isn't by Banksy its a good copy and ART not vandalism!
Huh? The writing style looks quite different - the spacing, the slants on the horizontals and verticals, even the red colour is marginally different. I would therefore suggest that it's not done by the same person!
southy
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1:18pm Wed 24 Nov 10
freemantlegirl2 wrote:they are afraid of change for the better for a majority of people, social change.
Keith Oftergrass wrote:Never ceases to amaze me that they're are some miserable people about! Charles Dickens come back please....
Quite right too ! Graffitti is VANDALISM and it should be painted out as soon as it appears lest it encourages other vandals.
Good on the person who took this action, we (or the Daily Echo) should not be championing law breakers - Art ? I think not.
One, this isn't 'tagging' which is just vandalism not art forms, graffiti is a recognised form of art and people have made a living out of it... this is a social message, it isn't doing YOU any harm as someone has testified the owner didn't in fact mind. Why spoil a bit of art that provokes debate and response? what are people so afraid of....
RadicalEmu
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1:28pm Wed 24 Nov 10
solent.student wrote:I already said that!
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
JonLucas
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1:55pm Wed 24 Nov 10
arthurdent
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2:13pm Wed 24 Nov 10
solent.student wrote:@Solent.student - What terrible language and grammar skills you have. You must be an infant, just starting out. Perhaps next time you should get 'Teacher' to check your work, before submitting.
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
freemantlegirl2
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2:22pm Wed 24 Nov 10
arthurdent wrote:Get a life Arfur!!
solent.student wrote:@Solent.student - What terrible language and grammar skills you have. You must be an infant, just starting out. Perhaps next time you should get 'Teacher' to check your work, before submitting.
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
Amusedonlooker
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2:41pm Wed 24 Nov 10
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Completely agree.
arthurdent wrote:Get a life Arfur!!
solent.student wrote:@Solent.student - What terrible language and grammar skills you have. You must be an infant, just starting out. Perhaps next time you should get 'Teacher' to check your work, before submitting.
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
Rax
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2:58pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Marchy10
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3:00pm Wed 24 Nov 10
solent.student
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3:12pm Wed 24 Nov 10
freemantlegirl2 wrote:P.s Arfur - I have a learning disability which I can't help so there.
arthurdent wrote:Get a life Arfur!!
solent.student wrote:@Solent.student - What terrible language and grammar skills you have. You must be an infant, just starting out. Perhaps next time you should get 'Teacher' to check your work, before submitting.
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
ShakeyWiffles
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3:37pm Wed 24 Nov 10
RadicalEmu wrote:You're right
Sad? No.
Common? Yes.
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This is street art, it's not meant to be permanent. It's not even a great bit of art as far as Banksy's concerned.
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I think the words were there before the girl arrived, I drive by that wall fairly regularly and always saw the words, never the girl.
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Now it says "No future styles" and the 'writing' looks the same, so it's probably the same guy as before.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong about the length of time that writing's been there!
freemantlegirl2
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4:22pm Wed 24 Nov 10
solent.student wrote:Being a mother of twins both with severe learning difficulties, don't play that card with me mate because people with Learning Difficulties don't point out grammatical and spelling mistakes in others! It was you who were pointing out flaws and not debating about Banksy, it was totally irrelevant!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:P.s Arfur - I have a learning disability which I can't help so there.
arthurdent wrote:Get a life Arfur!!
solent.student wrote:@Solent.student - What terrible language and grammar skills you have. You must be an infant, just starting out. Perhaps next time you should get 'Teacher' to check your work, before submitting.
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
So think before you point out flaws, as your argument, may turn into discrimmation.
Also thanks freemantlegirl2
RadicalEmu
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4:55pm Wed 24 Nov 10
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Have to disagree there fmg2, it's not at all impossible for someone to be able to read well, and notice mistakes, but make mistakes of their own.
solent.student wrote:Being a mother of twins both with severe learning difficulties, don't play that card with me mate because people with Learning Difficulties don't point out grammatical and spelling mistakes in others! It was you who were pointing out flaws and not debating about Banksy, it was totally irrelevant!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:P.s Arfur - I have a learning disability which I can't help so there.
arthurdent wrote:Get a life Arfur!!
solent.student wrote:@Solent.student - What terrible language and grammar skills you have. You must be an infant, just starting out. Perhaps next time you should get 'Teacher' to check your work, before submitting.
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
So think before you point out flaws, as your argument, may turn into discrimmation.
Also thanks freemantlegirl2
freemantlegirl2
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5:02pm Wed 24 Nov 10
RadicalEmu wrote:Only with high functioning autism perhaps at a stretch, but I know and live with people with learning difficulties and I've never, ever ever seen them do it....... I'm not saying it's impossible but extremely unlikely, especially given the tone of that post..
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Have to disagree there fmg2, it's not at all impossible for someone to be able to read well, and notice mistakes, but make mistakes of their own.
solent.student wrote:Being a mother of twins both with severe learning difficulties, don't play that card with me mate because people with Learning Difficulties don't point out grammatical and spelling mistakes in others! It was you who were pointing out flaws and not debating about Banksy, it was totally irrelevant!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:P.s Arfur - I have a learning disability which I can't help so there.
arthurdent wrote:Get a life Arfur!!
solent.student wrote:@Solent.student - What terrible language and grammar skills you have. You must be an infant, just starting out. Perhaps next time you should get 'Teacher' to check your work, before submitting.
spotburst wrote:Fair Enough Spotburst. Thanks for pointing out my error.
solent.student wrote:" as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece" - you couldn't be more wrong.
Maybe this wasn't a idiot/chav/student who painted over it. Maybe it was Banksy.
My theory is this maybe a stunt, as Banksy did clearly write 'NO FUTURE' on the piece, and maybe that was a warning to us saying that he will be back to ruin the artwork. This might of been a stunt, on his behalf.
Just a theory to ponder on when your reading these comments.
The writing was there for ages before Mr B turned up - perhaps to try and 'subvert' the despondancy with a cheery kid+balloon. It's pretty standard practice for him to add a modicum of 'wit' to existing features in this way.
So think before you point out flaws, as your argument, may turn into discrimmation.
Also thanks freemantlegirl2
Rax
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5:20pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Denzil Romsey
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6:23pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Carpe Diem wrote:Post of the day.
So somebody has dared paint over some grafitti - excellent karma. It was a piece of stencilled artwork. Who says it was worth £20k ? How can it be worth £20k ? If it was the work of some little chav with an aerosol can who also left his tag you'd all be calling for his blood right now, but because you're told it's the work of some mysterious figure revered by the art luvvies and the liberal elite you all think it's perfectly acceptable for him to deface property. Don't get drawn in by the hyperbole.
Saint Cope
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6:51pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Denzil Romsey wrote:The fact is though, is that the work IS (was) a genuine Banksy. Love him or not, his work sells for thousands - that is a fact. Although he is a graffiti artist, he does not typify the average graffiti artist who often just leave offensive words or their own tag. Banksy is an artist, not 'some little chav'.
Carpe Diem wrote:Post of the day.
So somebody has dared paint over some grafitti - excellent karma. It was a piece of stencilled artwork. Who says it was worth £20k ? How can it be worth £20k ? If it was the work of some little chav with an aerosol can who also left his tag you'd all be calling for his blood right now, but because you're told it's the work of some mysterious figure revered by the art luvvies and the liberal elite you all think it's perfectly acceptable for him to deface property. Don't get drawn in by the hyperbole.
Hantslad
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7:05pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Saint Cope
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8:53pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Hantslad wrote:I know how annoyed I would have been if I'd spent the day scrubbing it off, only to find out that I could have sold it for £35,000.
Did this guy ask for the owners consent prior to painting? Imagine how you'd feel waking up to this on your front wall. Fair enough on this occasion the owner did not mind. I know I would be pretty annoyed if I had to spend the day scrubbing it off.
I don't care if the Queen made a scribble on my wall, I'd still stand and watch her scrub it off!
biffbike
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8:59pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Rax
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10:51pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Saint Cope wrote:Graffiti art is a very distinct subculture from tagging. The vast majority of proper graffiti artists would be very keen to give taggers a clip round the ear too.
Denzil Romsey wrote:The fact is though, is that the work IS (was) a genuine Banksy. Love him or not, his work sells for thousands - that is a fact. Although he is a graffiti artist, he does not typify the average graffiti artist who often just leave offensive words or their own tag. Banksy is an artist, not 'some little chav'.
Carpe Diem wrote:Post of the day.
So somebody has dared paint over some grafitti - excellent karma. It was a piece of stencilled artwork. Who says it was worth £20k ? How can it be worth £20k ? If it was the work of some little chav with an aerosol can who also left his tag you'd all be calling for his blood right now, but because you're told it's the work of some mysterious figure revered by the art luvvies and the liberal elite you all think it's perfectly acceptable for him to deface property. Don't get drawn in by the hyperbole.
Rax
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10:53pm Wed 24 Nov 10
biffbike wrote:Some of the commentators on here are beyond satire. Private Eye does a regular series that some of you could be C&P'd into without anyone noticing.
Who care's!! It was done illegally and whoever painted over it has also done it illegally. Maybe this 'Banksy' should do some graffiti on some canvas frames and make some money!
IanRRR
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11:06pm Wed 24 Nov 10
Elgy
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11:03am Thu 25 Nov 10
S!mon
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1:30pm Thu 25 Nov 10
hulla baloo wrote:I haven't read yesterdays article, but how was it "confirmed" that its a Banksy job?
Considering the identity of Banksy is 'unconfirmed', I would be interested to know how the Echo were aware of his travel plans to the IOW.
Saint Cope
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4:25pm Thu 25 Nov 10
S!mon wrote:it was confirmed on his Official Website. It happened around the same time as two more pieces were discovered on the Isle of Wight (which have since been painted over by the council) around the same time as Best, which is on the island. The confirmation that it was genuine only happened this week.
hulla baloo wrote:I haven't read yesterdays article, but how was it "confirmed" that its a Banksy job?
Considering the identity of Banksy is 'unconfirmed', I would be interested to know how the Echo were aware of his travel plans to the IOW.
I'm feeling a little sceptical of this - sounds like a con!!
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wizzle says...
8:28am Wed 24 Nov 10