The Hobbit regulars celebrate Hollywood's truce

Staff and regulars at The Hobbit pub in Southampton

Turf Watson enjoys a pint of Frodo at The Hobbit in Southampton

Drew Bridger shows his support for The Hobbit in Southampton

Sir Ian McKellen, as Gandalf, The Hobbit pub, Saul Zaentz and Mount Doom in the background

First published in Southampton Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

DRINKERS at The Hobbit pub in Southampton are today celebrating the truce which means their favourite pub can continue how they like it.

As revealed by the Daily Echo last night, a truce looks to have been called in the clash between the little Hobbit pub in Southampton and the might of Hollywood that wanted it to change its name.

The pub was offered the chance to pay a token fee in a bid to break the deadlock – and keep its name without fear of breaching copyright.

That olive branch will now be examined by lawyers but punters are now confident the 20-year history of the popular Bevois Valley watering hole – with its famous name – can be preserved for future generations.

The movie producer at the centre of the row last night told the Daily Echo he wants to resolve the dispute “amicably”.

Paul Zaentz said a nominal annual licence fee of just $100 (around £63) would be enough to ensure the Tolkien trademarks owned by his company are not being abused.

When the Daily Echo broke the news to The Hobbit’s delighted landlady Stella Roberts she said she would be happy to pay such a fee to keep the pub’s name.

Campaigners last night flocked to celebrate the apparent victory in the battle, which began when lawyers for the Saul Zaentz Company sent a letter to the Bevois Valley Pub, and its owners Punch Taverns, complaining about apparent copyright infringements.

As reported, celebrities including Stephen Fry and Sir Ian McKellan – who played Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings films – gave their backing to the pub’s cause, while nearly 50,000 people have given support to an online campaign.

However, Mr Zaentz said it was never his intention to try to force the pub out of busi ness, but he had to act to protect the trademark rights his firm has built up on JRR Tolkein’s works.

Speaking from California, he said: “We’ve tried to be very gracious.

“We said in the letter, rather than engage in protracted and expensive litigation, (we) would prefer to resolve this matter amicably.

“We said we would be willing to consider any proposition they might make, but to my knowledge we’ve had no response yet.

“We think asking for a nominal licence fee is very reasonable. I think $100 would be about the maximum we would charge.

“We’re not against these people.

“I absolutely don’t want to see it closed. If I’m ever in the neighbourhood I’ll stop in for a drink.

“Our intention is not to put any established business out of business. I just don’t want to do that, because people work hard to make businesses successful. We had to do this. We had no choice.

“The law says that unless you protect your trademark it becomes diluted and you can lose it.

“It’s our responsibility to the Tolkein estate to go after this, or their charities will ultimately lose out.

“If it wasn’t for the Internet we probably wouldn’t have found out about this pub. They’ve been posting a lot of things recently.”

After being told of Mr Zaentz’s comments, a relieved Ms Roberts, 41, said she believes a resolution can now be found to save The Hobbit.

She said: “That’s brilliant. We can’t complain at that.

“It is such a relief. It has been very stressful not knowing what is going on. We have all been upset because we are very proud of what we do here. But the support we have been receiving has been overwhelming.”

Mr Zaentz suggested part of his company’s action, which he insisted was “standard practice” that has happened many times, revolves around “unauthorised merchandise” and use of film images by the pub.

Ms Roberts said Punch Taverns’ lawyers would now have to examine any deal, and look at whether it could impact on The Hobbit’s popular cocktails, named after characters like Gandalf and Gollum.

She said: “We don’t want to lose the identity of the pub and we don’t want to lose the names.”

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1:51pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Gridironprince says...

Bring Iron Maiden to The Hobbit to celebrate!!!
Bring Iron Maiden to The Hobbit to celebrate!!! Gridironprince
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1:58pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Shoong says...

Congrats crusty students!
Congrats crusty students! Shoong
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2:11pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Huffter says...

Wonder what sort of teaching programme The Hobbit offers... the story is being covered by the Echo's Education Reporter.
Wonder what sort of teaching programme The Hobbit offers... the story is being covered by the Echo's Education Reporter. Huffter
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2:14pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Pixiienot says...

Shoong wrote:
Congrats crusty students!
LOL
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Congrats crusty students![/p][/quote]LOL Pixiienot
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2:15pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Higginz says...

Gridironprince wrote:
Bring Iron Maiden to The Hobbit to celebrate!!!
Speaking of which, I hear the Royal Castle of Nuremberg are now threatening the band with legal action for use of the name. Either that, or they must pay an annual nominal licence fee.
[quote][p][bold]Gridironprince[/bold] wrote: Bring Iron Maiden to The Hobbit to celebrate!!![/p][/quote]Speaking of which, I hear the Royal Castle of Nuremberg are now threatening the band with legal action for use of the name. Either that, or they must pay an annual nominal licence fee. Higginz
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2:46pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Dan Kerins says...

Huffter wrote:
Wonder what sort of teaching programme The Hobbit offers... the story is being covered by the Echo's Education Reporter.
Our more senior reporters have specialisms which they cover but are not exclusively tied to that subject.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: Wonder what sort of teaching programme The Hobbit offers... the story is being covered by the Echo's Education Reporter.[/p][/quote]Our more senior reporters have specialisms which they cover but are not exclusively tied to that subject. Dan Kerins
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2:48pm Fri 16 Mar 12

ToastyTea says...

they have such bad style the people that drink at the hobbit.
they have such bad style the people that drink at the hobbit. ToastyTea
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2:52pm Fri 16 Mar 12

eurogordi says...

What about Hobbits in Hythe, or is that okay because it's plural do different to the book and film title?

I'm also descended from the Kings of Leon (Spain), but my daughter thinks they are a rock band.

Better talk to my solicitor ...
What about Hobbits in Hythe, or is that okay because it's plural do different to the book and film title? I'm also descended from the Kings of Leon (Spain), but my daughter thinks they are a rock band. Better talk to my solicitor ... eurogordi
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4:32pm Fri 16 Mar 12

IronLady2010 says...

I hope all this advertising brings in more business for them, in turn they will recruit more staff.
I hope all this advertising brings in more business for them, in turn they will recruit more staff. IronLady2010
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4:41pm Fri 16 Mar 12

pushamara says...

why are some of you so nasty? Why feel the need to call students "crusty" because they like to go the hobbit? Im sure you do things/have done things that other people wouldnt like or do so why dont you just get on with your own lives and let others with theres?!
why are some of you so nasty? Why feel the need to call students "crusty" because they like to go the hobbit? Im sure you do things/have done things that other people wouldnt like or do so why dont you just get on with your own lives and let others with theres?! pushamara
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4:41pm Fri 16 Mar 12

clausentum says...

So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers. clausentum
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4:51pm Fri 16 Mar 12

IronLady2010 says...

clausentum wrote:
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x IronLady2010
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4:58pm Fri 16 Mar 12

clausentum says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
clausentum wrote:
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x
That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x[/p][/quote]That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants. clausentum
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4:59pm Fri 16 Mar 12

clausentum says...

clausentum wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
clausentum wrote:
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x
That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.
The missing word is f.art.ed
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x[/p][/quote]That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.[/p][/quote]The missing word is f.art.ed clausentum
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5:13pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Andy Thornton says...

Congratulations, I haven't been there in almost 15 years, but it's a place I remember fondly :-) Well done :-)
Congratulations, I haven't been there in almost 15 years, but it's a place I remember fondly :-) Well done :-) Andy Thornton
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8:09pm Fri 16 Mar 12

crashtragic says...

clausentum wrote:
clausentum wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
clausentum wrote:
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x
That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.
The missing word is f.art.ed
I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon.
This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni.
Please don't stereotype.
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x[/p][/quote]That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.[/p][/quote]The missing word is f.art.ed[/p][/quote]I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon. This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni. Please don't stereotype. crashtragic
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8:13pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Lord Swood says...

Since the landlady is called Stella, she'll probably have Stella Artois asking her to change her name or pay an annual fee :o)
Since the landlady is called Stella, she'll probably have Stella Artois asking her to change her name or pay an annual fee :o) Lord Swood
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8:30pm Fri 16 Mar 12

IronLady2010 says...

crashtragic wrote:
clausentum wrote:
clausentum wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
clausentum wrote:
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x
That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.
The missing word is f.art.ed
I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon.
This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni.
Please don't stereotype.
Good on you! I hope you qualify and become someone we can put our faith in when going for an operation.

It's not always about looks, my best wishes and good luck, I hope never to meet you in an operating theatre, not because of how you look, but hope I don't ever need treatment. xxx
[quote][p][bold]crashtragic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x[/p][/quote]That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.[/p][/quote]The missing word is f.art.ed[/p][/quote]I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon. This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni. Please don't stereotype.[/p][/quote]Good on you! I hope you qualify and become someone we can put our faith in when going for an operation. It's not always about looks, my best wishes and good luck, I hope never to meet you in an operating theatre, not because of how you look, but hope I don't ever need treatment. xxx IronLady2010
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8:44pm Fri 16 Mar 12

clausentum says...

crashtragic wrote:
clausentum wrote:
clausentum wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
clausentum wrote:
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x
That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.
The missing word is f.art.ed
I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon.
This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni.
Please don't stereotype.
Does that mean you WON'T let me play with your shiny electronic toys when I'm a feeble enuretic geriatric. Rats!

Do aspiring doctors automatically get a humour-bypass operation for free, or is lacking a sense of humour a natural attribute?
[quote][p][bold]crashtragic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x[/p][/quote]That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.[/p][/quote]The missing word is f.art.ed[/p][/quote]I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon. This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni. Please don't stereotype.[/p][/quote]Does that mean you WON'T let me play with your shiny electronic toys when I'm a feeble enuretic geriatric. Rats! Do aspiring doctors automatically get a humour-bypass operation for free, or is lacking a sense of humour a natural attribute? clausentum
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8:49pm Fri 16 Mar 12

crashtragic says...

clausentum wrote:
crashtragic wrote:
clausentum wrote:
clausentum wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
clausentum wrote:
So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.
Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x
That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.
The missing word is f.art.ed
I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon.
This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni.
Please don't stereotype.
Does that mean you WON'T let me play with your shiny electronic toys when I'm a feeble enuretic geriatric. Rats!

Do aspiring doctors automatically get a humour-bypass operation for free, or is lacking a sense of humour a natural attribute?
Calling my close friends photogenic boozers isn't funny.

I'll let you play with my ECT machine when you're geriatric.
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crashtragic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: So, those in the photograph are the Nation's future Leaders, Movers and Shakers and Brain Surgeons? Photogenic bunch of boozers.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you say, they could be your future carer when you're old. ;-) x[/p][/quote]That would be okay provided: they could spell, washed each day, never used the word "wot-hevaaa", let me play with their shiny electronic toys, shared their booze with me and didn't object when I **** loudly to drown out their naff political nonsense rants.[/p][/quote]The missing word is f.art.ed[/p][/quote]I am a regular at the Hobbit and am training to be a Dr and an aspiring surgeon. This photo includes several of my very close friends, my other half and my mother figure at uni. Please don't stereotype.[/p][/quote]Does that mean you WON'T let me play with your shiny electronic toys when I'm a feeble enuretic geriatric. Rats! Do aspiring doctors automatically get a humour-bypass operation for free, or is lacking a sense of humour a natural attribute?[/p][/quote]Calling my close friends photogenic boozers isn't funny. I'll let you play with my ECT machine when you're geriatric. crashtragic
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9:13pm Fri 16 Mar 12

clausentum says...

"Calling my close friends photogenic boozers isn't funny."

Are saying you boozer close friends are NOT photogenic?

Do they know you are broadcasting to the World they are not photogenic and therefore have boring countenances?

Your offer for me to plug myself into your ECT Thingymajig is generosity to the extreme.

But, you might be all boozed-up when supervising my use of your ECT Whatsamacallit and dire consequences might result - those long arduous years of expensive training as a doctor would go down the tubes, along with all the booze you and your friends consume.
"Calling my close friends photogenic boozers isn't funny." Are saying you boozer close friends are NOT photogenic? Do they know you are broadcasting to the World they are not photogenic and therefore have boring countenances? Your offer for me to plug myself into your ECT Thingymajig is generosity to the extreme. But, you might be all boozed-up when supervising my use of your ECT Whatsamacallit and dire consequences might result - those long arduous years of expensive training as a doctor would go down the tubes, along with all the booze you and your friends consume. clausentum
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