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    loosehead wrote:
    southy wrote:
    Safehands wrote:
    Southy, Southampton does not have a shallow tidal range. Our double tide gives us a huge advantage over other UK ports.
    Southampton has the shallowest tidal range in the North Atlantic and its sub seas, our biggest range is Spring tides and has range of only 4.9 meters max, neap Tides can be only 0.9 meters range, The river Severn has a much greater tidal range the biggest in the UK.
    The double high tide just means it gets an hour longer slower moving water at high tide and can be a disadvantage as a ship needs the water movement under the hull to maintane steerage way with out the aid of tugs support.
    So Southy why if our tidal range is so Shallow is it all these huge cruise ships find it to be okay?
    Do you not think that the new super berths & the continuos dredging puts your argument into the shadows?
    You need to under stand this much what made Southampton port as big as it is was because passenger liners use to call into the a French port, and there was no point in wasting time and money to sail into the english channel just to call into a French port then back track out down the channel and head out to the Atlantic, it saved them time and money to leave Southampton head the French port then the Atlantic.
    Ports with a large tidal range dredge a lot less because of the speed of the out going tides keeps the silt suspened in the water and dumps it out in the sea, they also tend to have wider and deeper natural channels.
    But that not the problem, the longest Container ship do not call into Southampton and never will it can not get here not with out stopping all other shipping movements, these new continetal Container ships are going to be even longer and as wide as the Pam-max container ships they to will not call into Southampton.
    What you need to take into account is the lenght, width, draft of a ship, then you need to know what is the minimal speed that ship requires to keep steerage way.
    When they talk about those aircraft carriers making Southampton there home port, they was talking about mooring them where that old gas rig was moored where the Polish timber ships use to moor when waiting to come along side the quay to discharge."
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Cabinet boss concerned by delays to decision on Southampton's £150m port expansion

THE MOST senior civil servant in the country has expressed his concern at delays to a decision on Southampton’s £150m port upgrade.

Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood said the proposed new investment, which will safeguard 2,000 jobs, was “welcome” and would be vital to the economy.

In his role at the head of the civil service, Sir Jeremy is said to be the most powerful unelected man in Britain.

His comments came as frustration grew over the time being taken by the Marine Management Organisation to reach a verdict on the £150m project.

The quango had been expected to make an announcement last week.

But a spokesman said: “We are still in the process of determining the application and are working very closely with the applicant. We expect to make a decision in the near future.”

Port owner ABP wants to combine the existing berths 201 and 202 as an increase in the length of container ships has meant the current deepsea berths, 204 to 207, can no longer handle four large vessels at once.

The expansion has been tied up in red tape, including an objection from the owners of rival port Felixstowe and claims of mistakes by the officials in charge of the planning process.

A verdict is needed as soon as possible because the work can only begin in a certain time window for environmental reasons. The major works must be carried out between September and March to avoid disturbing migratory Atlantic salmon.

The slow rate of progress was criticised by Southampton Itchen MP John Denham, pictured left.

He said: “I’m hugely frustrated.

There weren’t any significant objections, and no new issues were raised.

It’s over a month since the consultation ended – they should have made a decision by now."

Responding to a letter sent by Mr Denham, Sir Jeremy wrote: “Southampton and other container ports make a vital contribution to the UK economy. It is a welcome sign of confidence that ABP are willing to invest on the scale necessary to allow Southampton to handle the latest container vessels.

“I share your concerns that this significant investment has been delayed for so long, initially because of errors by those considering the necessary marine consents and later as the result of a judicial review sought by another port operator.”

Sir Jeremy said the MMO was making “every effort” to reach a swift decision but said neither ministers or senior officials could interfere in the process.

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