Miliband: the yolk's on the Tories (From Daily Echo)

Would of preferred it on top of his head, but, now we will see the revitalisation of Southampton and prove once and for all that the Tories were wrong.........

Wait till the Labour Party starts to make cuts and put 1,500 people on the dole.
Ian Woodland made one big error in supporting Labour in every ward, he should of help at lest one TUSC to get into the Council chambers so he would have at lest one friendly face that would put up a fight when Labour starts to make the cuts.

Royston couldn't have reached the top of his head so aimed for his shoulder instead !!! LOL

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
Would of preferred it on top of his head, but, now we will see the revitalisation of Southampton and prove once and for all that the Tories were wrong.........

Labour failed to revitalise Southampton in the past, what makes you think anything will change? I was listening to the radio on the back of Boris Johnson's win. We lack dynamic leadership, if you want that from Labour you'll be disappointed.

mummsie wrote:
Royston couldn't have reached the top of his head so aimed for his shoulder instead !!! LOL

Would he have reached that high?

In the past couple of years, with his political decisions, he has persisted in stooping pretty low.

You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

Whoever gets egged, it shows a typical lack of respect, nothing would have been different if Cameron had been the victim, but I would like to think that the Security would have been more efficient in the circumstances.

The moron who threw that egg moron doesn't represent the people of Southampton. If I was there I would have knocked him out and used an egg beater on his soft and dangly parts.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

Regardless of who it was it was common assault and the perpetrator should be caught and charged if it was you or i we would have chased the tart and seeked revenge but then we are common fodder not politicians. Perhaps that they are now in control they can force the police to increase street patrols that was not present when a high ranking politician was present so much for the security at this time of high alert or is that just LONDON ???????.

As a socialist I do not support NuLabour, or its closet Conservative leader Milliband
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But I sympathise with Millband, who basically has become victim of crime. Thankfully it was only an egg, but could have been somebody wearing explosive vest.
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Considering our nations is on the hit list of many obnoxious characters, why the Leader of Opposition was not properly protected?
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As the person who did this simply escaped, says neither much about Hampshire Police Authority of which a NuLabour councillor is the Chair, nor all the members of NuLabour who were hanging around Milliband at the time and competing with each other for getting their rightwing faces in the picture
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If all the NuLabour councillors who were with their right wing leader at the time could not even be bothered to get hold of the person who attacked their leader whom they pretend to worship, how can we the ordinary people expect them to do anything meaningful to save our services which will now be under serious attack same way as they were under Smith led Tories.

PB, you say 'our services' but they don't belong to you. If you require help, whether it is health, education, social services etc you can use the service provided by the State. The State (being the elected government) is not obliged to provide these services themselves, hence why many are successfully delivered by private companies. We are all consumers as we live in a democratic capitalist society.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist I do not support NuLabour, or its closet Conservative leader Milliband
.
But I sympathise with Millband, who basically has become victim of crime. Thankfully it was only an egg, but could have been somebody wearing explosive vest.
.
Considering our nations is on the hit list of many obnoxious characters, why the Leader of Opposition was not properly protected?
.
As the person who did this simply escaped, says neither much about Hampshire Police Authority of which a NuLabour councillor is the Chair, nor all the members of NuLabour who were hanging around Milliband at the time and competing with each other for getting their rightwing faces in the picture
.
If all the NuLabour councillors who were with their right wing leader at the time could not even be bothered to get hold of the person who attacked their leader whom they pretend to worship, how can we the ordinary people expect them to do anything meaningful to save our services which will now be under serious attack same way as they were under Smith led Tories.

OK! So you don't support any of the major parties.

Can you tell us all in which country there is a party, that meets your ideals, that is in government and was elected by a democratic, one person - one vote method.

How long have they been in power, and when did they hold the last election.

I am all for perfection, but I have yet to see it in any politician or political party, which is why I am keen to know about your perfect party.

Disgraceful manners indeed. To be honest though, it’s the SUIT I feel sorriest for. Do you realise how much TIME it takes to select and make one, and what they COST! (and they’re never the same after cleaning).

Linesman, Before going to other countries try visiting Scotland, you won't even need a passport because it is still within the UK
.
No I am not SNP member, but they are many times better than three dominant right of Thatcher parties
.
Or even try Greens within England itself; they also came to power in Brighton through the ballot box
.
While both parties mentioned above may not be not be 100% perfect, because nobody is ever perfect, (of course you may be an exception!) they are many times better than ‘Right of Thatcher’ rot parties i.e. NuLabour, Tories and Lib-Dem

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

A disgraceful act, he could so easily have been shot or knifed.
For Southy and Paramajit to continue to hammer the only electable party that has any conscience in decisions affecting the poorest and most vulnerable of our society is ridiculous.
Milliband was elected the leader of the Labour Party by the Trade Unions they support!
Linesman is spot on, whether it be Capitalist, Socialist or Communist, the perfect party has never existed and is Paramajit and Southy's pipe dream.

Condor Man wrote:

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
Would of preferred it on top of his head, but, now we will see the revitalisation of Southampton and prove once and for all that the Tories were wrong.........

Labour failed to revitalise Southampton in the past, what makes you think anything will change? I was listening to the radio on the back of Boris Johnson's win. We lack dynamic leadership, if you want that from Labour you'll be disappointed.

Condor Man,

I did try a bit of irony there, I'll try to make it clearer next time. The egg would of been better on his head and you right so right, and what I was trying to say, is if you thought the Tories were bad wait till all services in Southampton are restored and your Council tax bills are the highest in the Country. Labour have brought the Country to its knees, now watch Labour bring Southampton to its knees.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Whoever gets egged, it shows a typical lack of respect, nothing would have been different if Cameron had been the victim, but I would like to think that the Security would have been more efficient in the circumstances.

Agreed.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist I do not support NuLabour, or its closet Conservative leader Milliband
.
But I sympathise with Millband, who basically has become victim of crime. Thankfully it was only an egg, but could have been somebody wearing explosive vest.
.
Considering our nations is on the hit list of many obnoxious characters, why the Leader of Opposition was not properly protected?
.
As the person who did this simply escaped, says neither much about Hampshire Police Authority of which a NuLabour councillor is the Chair, nor all the members of NuLabour who were hanging around Milliband at the time and competing with each other for getting their rightwing faces in the picture
.
If all the NuLabour councillors who were with their right wing leader at the time could not even be bothered to get hold of the person who attacked their leader whom they pretend to worship, how can we the ordinary people expect them to do anything meaningful to save our services which will now be under serious attack same way as they were under Smith led Tories.

You just spout a load of meaningless tripe and dogma. You don't address the real world because you aren't capable, so you attack a simplified distorted version you have made up. Millband is clearly NOT a conservative despite what you say, but he is not the kind of extreme self pitying envious class-obsessed berk who wants well off people to pay for everything that lazy unintelligent people like yourself can't be bothered to earn for yourselves. You are well off as you deserve to be, and if you don't like it , try working a bit harder and stop expecting hard working people like myself to hand over even more of my earnings on some false pretext of "fairness". Every penny I have I earned myself, and I pay more tax than you though I use less of the welfare state than you. Now man up and support labour if you are a socialist or are you too much of coward even to do that?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Linesman, Before going to other countries try visiting Scotland, you won't even need a passport because it is still within the UK
.
No I am not SNP member, but they are many times better than three dominant right of Thatcher parties
.
Or even try Greens within England itself; they also came to power in Brighton through the ballot box
.
While both parties mentioned above may not be not be 100% perfect, because nobody is ever perfect, (of course you may be an exception!) they are many times better than ‘Right of Thatcher’ rot parties i.e. NuLabour, Tories and Lib-Dem

But the money that they spend is not raised entirely in Scotland is it? I could run the country if some other country was funding it.

Now answer the question I asked.

Linesman wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Linesman, Before going to other countries try visiting Scotland, you won't even need a passport because it is still within the UK
.
No I am not SNP member, but they are many times better than three dominant right of Thatcher parties
.
Or even try Greens within England itself; they also came to power in Brighton through the ballot box
.
While both parties mentioned above may not be not be 100% perfect, because nobody is ever perfect, (of course you may be an exception!) they are many times better than ‘Right of Thatcher’ rot parties i.e. NuLabour, Tories and Lib-Dem

But the money that they spend is not raised entirely in Scotland is it? I could run the country if some other country was funding it.

Now answer the question I asked.

I do not share your argument. Oil of Scotland kept whole of UK out of problems for many years. But obviously you do not want to consider that and other contributions to UK from Scotland
.
They are not only willing but in fact are demanding to get power for setting their own taxes, and some Scots are even asking for complete independence so they can have the right to do many other things on their own as well
.
Even record of Labour is Wales in my opinion is better than that of last NuLabour government of UK
.
Sorry to say but I have to watch football, so can’t spare time for unproductive arguments. I respect your right to hold your views, but do not have to accept your kind of blind loyalty to a party that has betrayed the values on which it was based.

Condor Man wrote:

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
Would of preferred it on top of his head, but, now we will see the revitalisation of Southampton and prove once and for all that the Tories were wrong.........

Labour failed to revitalise Southampton in the past, what makes you think anything will change? I was listening to the radio on the back of Boris Johnson's win. We lack dynamic leadership, if you want that from Labour you'll be disappointed.

Do you honestly think Boris Johnson or the micro Royston Smith are dynamic?? I have never heard such rubbish. Smith lost because his ideas were useless, outdated and worn out. His methods were to bully and scare people into supporting the Tories. As for Boris, if you prefer clowns then you have a point!!

Ant smoking mp,
Labour won Southampton because people thought they had the best policies, just like in 2008 they voted for the Conservatives.

Boris won London because people thought he had the best policies.

That's democracy in action.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

TEBOURBA wrote:
A disgraceful act, he could so easily have been shot or knifed.
For Southy and Paramajit to continue to hammer the only electable party that has any conscience in decisions affecting the poorest and most vulnerable of our society is ridiculous.
Milliband was elected the leader of the Labour Party by the Trade Unions they support!
Linesman is spot on, whether it be Capitalist, Socialist or Communist, the perfect party has never existed and is Paramajit and Southy's pipe dream.

Remind you Labour was in government when there was cut backs to the NHS, and the Trust and Councils pick on mentle health to make cut backs on, so how is that having a conscience in decisions affecting the poorest and most vulnerable.
The Trade Unions only had a small number that voted for the Labour leadership and even then you need to belong to the Labour Party to be able to vote for the Leadership of the Labour Party.
true Communist are far left wing which is only a subsection of Socialism, there is only 2 Capitalism and Socialism but both have subsections, socialism can only really be applied by the Socialist for it to work right, not by the Capitalist, when Capitalist apply Socialism its only becomes another form of Capitalism aka Socialism for the wealthy aka Stalism

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

More to the point why was it kept quiet he was coming back down to southampton for the 3 time, and the people that attended are those from the Labour Party only.

LocalYocalNut wrote:
The moron who threw that egg moron doesn't represent the people of Southampton. If I was there I would have knocked him out and used an egg beater on his soft and dangly parts.

Get in the quere LocalYocalNut ! LOL

The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

More to the point why was it kept quiet he was coming back down to southampton for the 3 time, and the people that attended are those from the Labour Party only.

Southy
We only knew about the visit on Thursday night. He obviously came down to Southampton because of the great success of the Labour Party locally.
When is your leader coming down to celebrate TUSC's success in reaching more than double figures.

sottondave wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

More to the point why was it kept quiet he was coming back down to southampton for the 3 time, and the people that attended are those from the Labour Party only.

Southy
We only knew about the visit on Thursday night. He obviously came down to Southampton because of the great success of the Labour Party locally.
When is your leader coming down to celebrate TUSC's success in reaching more than double figures.

Dave who knows when he coming down but there will be pleanty of time so any body who wants to know can turn up and ask questions

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

No Tebourba it was because the Right wing inside Labour became to strong and would not listen to people it mattered the right wing in Labour wanted it there way and no other way, It was those on the left that listen to the ordinary people on the streets then pass on to the main body of Labour what people was thinking and saying and what they wanted.
An now that there is no Left in Labour, Labour like the Torys have no attachment to the ordinary people and are just as far remove from the streets as the Torys.
It as all ways been the Left wing Element that had a connection to people on the streets, because they was the ones doing the stalls every where, talking to people in the work place, in cafes and bars.
And yes we do need a general election now and we do need Labour back in power, just to prove to people when they start the cuts they are no different from the Tory party. all for them selfs and no one else.

Also TEBOURBA the TUSC came about because of the Socialist Party doing there stalls listen to people in what they want, its the people that wanted the TUSC to formed a party that would really listen to the people and act for them and not for the wealty and big business.

Yet the people didn't vote for ou Southy. So wind your neck in.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Linesman, Before going to other countries try visiting Scotland, you won't even need a passport because it is still within the UK
.
No I am not SNP member, but they are many times better than three dominant right of Thatcher parties
.
Or even try Greens within England itself; they also came to power in Brighton through the ballot box
.
While both parties mentioned above may not be not be 100% perfect, because nobody is ever perfect, (of course you may be an exception!) they are many times better than ‘Right of Thatcher’ rot parties i.e. NuLabour, Tories and Lib-Dem

But the money that they spend is not raised entirely in Scotland is it? I could run the country if some other country was funding it.

Now answer the question I asked.

I do not share your argument. Oil of Scotland kept whole of UK out of problems for many years. But obviously you do not want to consider that and other contributions to UK from Scotland
.
They are not only willing but in fact are demanding to get power for setting their own taxes, and some Scots are even asking for complete independence so they can have the right to do many other things on their own as well
.
Even record of Labour is Wales in my opinion is better than that of last NuLabour government of UK
.
Sorry to say but I have to watch football, so can’t spare time for unproductive arguments. I respect your right to hold your views, but do not have to accept your kind of blind loyalty to a party that has betrayed the values on which it was based.

I am aware of that oil, but not all of it was found in Scottish waters, in fact it was first discovered off the English coast, Nationalised by the Labour government (BNOC) and sold off by Thatcher.

They do produce Whiskey, but what else? Tourism.

American Navy at Holy Loch?

The Scottish government does not fund the Scottish regiments in the Army, nor do they fund the Navy (submarines and ancilliaries) at Faslane. Who picks up the tab for the RAF at Lossiemouth?

Similar thing with Wales. What do they produce? Male voice choirs and Tom Jones? The coal mines are closed, but that cannot be blamed on NuLabour!

I remain in that party because, if I were not, I would have no chance to influence it. You appear to be in your own party, that consists of you and Southy. Unwilling to come to terms with change, and wanting to fight the battles that Socialism won for us a century ago, and cannot accept that we are now in the second millenium.

Have you ever wondered why so few can identify with your political ideals? If you were in the Army, and marching on parade, you would be the one who was out of step, but maintaining that it was not you, but all the others that were.

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

Well said.

If Gordon Brown had not taken the action that he did by bailing out banks, building societies and councils who had invested all their money in Icelandic banks, we would have been asking the Greeks for a loan!

When he was taking this decisive action, what alternative action did Cameron and Clegg proposed?

They didn't. They had not got a clue, and that is the way things have been since they took office.

They have still not got a clue!

southy wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

No Tebourba it was because the Right wing inside Labour became to strong and would not listen to people it mattered the right wing in Labour wanted it there way and no other way, It was those on the left that listen to the ordinary people on the streets then pass on to the main body of Labour what people was thinking and saying and what they wanted.
An now that there is no Left in Labour, Labour like the Torys have no attachment to the ordinary people and are just as far remove from the streets as the Torys.
It as all ways been the Left wing Element that had a connection to people on the streets, because they was the ones doing the stalls every where, talking to people in the work place, in cafes and bars.
And yes we do need a general election now and we do need Labour back in power, just to prove to people when they start the cuts they are no different from the Tory party. all for them selfs and no one else.

So you think that Derek Hatton and his crowd up in Liverpool were Right Wing?

Come in out of the rain Southy.

OceansofRed wrote:
Yet the people didn't vote for ou Southy. So wind your neck in.

And you seem to think things like this happen over night, it takes time, When the Socialist Party and the Railway Union got the Labour Party started it took 30-50 years, for them to become a real force in politics, this time round its happening faster, we all ready got Labour Party worried, they put a lot of man power into certain areas, like in Coventry to stop Dave Nellist from being relected to the council, in my ward they hit it early and put a fair amount of man hours to try and bust my votes, but it did not workmy votes went up, even lo there was a big drop in % of turn out from last year.

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

No Tebourba it was because the Right wing inside Labour became to strong and would not listen to people it mattered the right wing in Labour wanted it there way and no other way, It was those on the left that listen to the ordinary people on the streets then pass on to the main body of Labour what people was thinking and saying and what they wanted.
An now that there is no Left in Labour, Labour like the Torys have no attachment to the ordinary people and are just as far remove from the streets as the Torys.
It as all ways been the Left wing Element that had a connection to people on the streets, because they was the ones doing the stalls every where, talking to people in the work place, in cafes and bars.
And yes we do need a general election now and we do need Labour back in power, just to prove to people when they start the cuts they are no different from the Tory party. all for them selfs and no one else.

So you think that Derek Hatton and his crowd up in Liverpool were Right Wing?

Come in out of the rain Southy.

Hatten was center ground but he knew what was right and what was wrong as did the rest of Liverpool council, even lo they got removed from office they done what was right for the people of Liverpool they force the Government to spend another £63 million in there city, which created jobs, council homes being built and recreations for the people.
This is putting the local people first and there needs, and got what they wanted for there people, Liverpool Council back then beat the Thatcher Government even lo it cost them there jobs, they though about the people and not in them selfs.
This is some thing Nu-Labour will not do they put them selfs before the People just like the Torys do.

southy wrote:

sottondave wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

More to the point why was it kept quiet he was coming back down to southampton for the 3 time, and the people that attended are those from the Labour Party only.

Southy
We only knew about the visit on Thursday night. He obviously came down to Southampton because of the great success of the Labour Party locally.
When is your leader coming down to celebrate TUSC's success in reaching more than double figures.

Dave who knows when he coming down but there will be pleanty of time so any body who wants to know can turn up and ask questions

Pete, Would the right question be asking the Labour party not to stand in the Redbridge ward?

southy wrote:

OceansofRed wrote:
Yet the people didn't vote for ou Southy. So wind your neck in.

And you seem to think things like this happen over night, it takes time, When the Socialist Party and the Railway Union got the Labour Party started it took 30-50 years, for them to become a real force in politics, this time round its happening faster, we all ready got Labour Party worried, they put a lot of man power into certain areas, like in Coventry to stop Dave Nellist from being relected to the council, in my ward they hit it early and put a fair amount of man hours to try and bust my votes, but it did not workmy votes went up, even lo there was a big drop in % of turn out from last year.

.. don't flatter yourself southy.

The effort Labour put into Redbridge was to defeat the Tory who won in 2008 when these seats were last up for grabs.

Do you really think they are worried about a tiny insignificant Trotskyist rump that can only just attract 220 people to vote for them out of an electorate of 10,406?

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

sottondave wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

More to the point why was it kept quiet he was coming back down to southampton for the 3 time, and the people that attended are those from the Labour Party only.

Southy
We only knew about the visit on Thursday night. He obviously came down to Southampton because of the great success of the Labour Party locally.
When is your leader coming down to celebrate TUSC's success in reaching more than double figures.

Dave who knows when he coming down but there will be pleanty of time so any body who wants to know can turn up and ask questions

Pete, Would the right question be asking the Labour party not to stand in the Redbridge ward?

Thats down to Labour where they stand (The TUSC is not going to do a Labour Party and send some one to ask them to stand down in certain wards, like the Labour Party did to the TUSC), they thrown there best at me in Redbridge and it has not work, they never broke my vote, and next stage for me is start stepping the pressure up. This ward is winnable for the TUSC.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

OceansofRed wrote:
Yet the people didn't vote for ou Southy. So wind your neck in.

And you seem to think things like this happen over night, it takes time, When the Socialist Party and the Railway Union got the Labour Party started it took 30-50 years, for them to become a real force in politics, this time round its happening faster, we all ready got Labour Party worried, they put a lot of man power into certain areas, like in Coventry to stop Dave Nellist from being relected to the council, in my ward they hit it early and put a fair amount of man hours to try and bust my votes, but it did not workmy votes went up, even lo there was a big drop in % of turn out from last year.

.. don't flatter yourself southy.

The effort Labour put into Redbridge was to defeat the Tory who won in 2008 when these seats were last up for grabs.

Do you really think they are worried about a tiny insignificant Trotskyist rump that can only just attract 220 people to vote for them out of an electorate of 10,406?

Freefinker don't talk rubbish, it was not to defeat who won in 2008 he was only a paper candidate for the Torys to start with, plus he never restood because he knew he would get beating, The Redbridge ward is a working class ward, it is a very rare thing for a Tory to win here and only happens when there is a revolt against the Labour Party, And I told you last year and again this year Labour would not just win this ward it would win the council also, Labour hit 2 Wards hard in Southampton they even got the Unions to get out to help them.
212 with a 33% ward turn-out 6%
220 with a 27% ward turn-out 8%
You will learn when you finally decide to stand as a candidate your self.

southy wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

sottondave wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

More to the point why was it kept quiet he was coming back down to southampton for the 3 time, and the people that attended are those from the Labour Party only.

Southy
We only knew about the visit on Thursday night. He obviously came down to Southampton because of the great success of the Labour Party locally.
When is your leader coming down to celebrate TUSC's success in reaching more than double figures.

Dave who knows when he coming down but there will be pleanty of time so any body who wants to know can turn up and ask questions

Pete, Would the right question be asking the Labour party not to stand in the Redbridge ward?

Thats down to Labour where they stand (The TUSC is not going to do a Labour Party and send some one to ask them to stand down in certain wards, like the Labour Party did to the TUSC), they thrown there best at me in Redbridge and it has not work, they never broke my vote, and next stage for me is start stepping the pressure up. This ward is winnable for the TUSC.

The point is Pete you agreed to do exactly that, on the condition that Labour didn't stand against you in Redbridge.

You obviously thought that without Labour standing in Redbridge you would win, which is why you asked them not to stand, they refused your request and won anyway plus the seats in other wards.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

OceansofRed wrote:
Yet the people didn't vote for ou Southy. So wind your neck in.

And you seem to think things like this happen over night, it takes time, When the Socialist Party and the Railway Union got the Labour Party started it took 30-50 years, for them to become a real force in politics, this time round its happening faster, we all ready got Labour Party worried, they put a lot of man power into certain areas, like in Coventry to stop Dave Nellist from being relected to the council, in my ward they hit it early and put a fair amount of man hours to try and bust my votes, but it did not workmy votes went up, even lo there was a big drop in % of turn out from last year.

.. don't flatter yourself southy.

The effort Labour put into Redbridge was to defeat the Tory who won in 2008 when these seats were last up for grabs.

Do you really think they are worried about a tiny insignificant Trotskyist rump that can only just attract 220 people to vote for them out of an electorate of 10,406?

Freefinker don't talk rubbish, it was not to defeat who won in 2008 he was only a paper candidate for the Torys to start with, plus he never restood because he knew he would get beating, The Redbridge ward is a working class ward, it is a very rare thing for a Tory to win here and only happens when there is a revolt against the Labour Party, And I told you last year and again this year Labour would not just win this ward it would win the council also, Labour hit 2 Wards hard in Southampton they even got the Unions to get out to help them.
212 with a 33% ward turn-out 6%
220 with a 27% ward turn-out 8%
You will learn when you finally decide to stand as a candidate your self.

I agree with you Pete, Paul Holmes along with Ben Walker, Matt Jones, David Fuller were all paper candidates in 2008, even the Tories never expected them to get in, especially in Bitterne & Redbridge.

My point you (TUSC) were quite happy not put as many candidates for the chance to win Redbridge for yourself, you would have sold out the TUSC for the chance to get Redbridge.

Personal before party? I think so.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

OceansofRed wrote:
Yet the people didn't vote for ou Southy. So wind your neck in.

And you seem to think things like this happen over night, it takes time, When the Socialist Party and the Railway Union got the Labour Party started it took 30-50 years, for them to become a real force in politics, this time round its happening faster, we all ready got Labour Party worried, they put a lot of man power into certain areas, like in Coventry to stop Dave Nellist from being relected to the council, in my ward they hit it early and put a fair amount of man hours to try and bust my votes, but it did not workmy votes went up, even lo there was a big drop in % of turn out from last year.

.. don't flatter yourself southy.

The effort Labour put into Redbridge was to defeat the Tory who won in 2008 when these seats were last up for grabs.

Do you really think they are worried about a tiny insignificant Trotskyist rump that can only just attract 220 people to vote for them out of an electorate of 10,406?

Freefinker don't talk rubbish, it was not to defeat who won in 2008 he was only a paper candidate for the Torys to start with, plus he never restood because he knew he would get beating, The Redbridge ward is a working class ward, it is a very rare thing for a Tory to win here and only happens when there is a revolt against the Labour Party, And I told you last year and again this year Labour would not just win this ward it would win the council also, Labour hit 2 Wards hard in Southampton they even got the Unions to get out to help them.
212 with a 33% ward turn-out 6%
220 with a 27% ward turn-out 8%
You will learn when you finally decide to stand as a candidate your self.

If you were making great strides in Redbridge and the working class were coming round to the far left ideas of TUSC why did you spend all your time in Shirley precinct speaking to a handful of people.
When the Labour Party was formed in 1900 we won seats immediately and had over 40 MPs within a few years.
There have been a series of far left fringe parties over many decades which have never made any progress. Your idea that people are suddenly going to see the light and support another fringe ultra left trotskyist group is pie in the sky. Trotsky was killed in 1940 and we have been waiting over 70 years for them to take power.

Over the Edge said
The point is Pete you agreed to do exactly that, on the condition that Labour didn't stand against you in Redbridge.
You obviously thought that without Labour standing in Redbridge you would win, which is why you asked them not to stand, they refused your request and won anyway plus the seats in other wards.
"I did not agree to do any thing, I said if we give what are you willing to give"
And knowing that they would not give any thing in return before they even answered the Question, Labour like the Tory's only want to take and they do not care who they take from as long they do not have to give

sottondave wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

OceansofRed wrote:
Yet the people didn't vote for ou Southy. So wind your neck in.

And you seem to think things like this happen over night, it takes time, When the Socialist Party and the Railway Union got the Labour Party started it took 30-50 years, for them to become a real force in politics, this time round its happening faster, we all ready got Labour Party worried, they put a lot of man power into certain areas, like in Coventry to stop Dave Nellist from being relected to the council, in my ward they hit it early and put a fair amount of man hours to try and bust my votes, but it did not workmy votes went up, even lo there was a big drop in % of turn out from last year.

.. don't flatter yourself southy.

The effort Labour put into Redbridge was to defeat the Tory who won in 2008 when these seats were last up for grabs.

Do you really think they are worried about a tiny insignificant Trotskyist rump that can only just attract 220 people to vote for them out of an electorate of 10,406?

Freefinker don't talk rubbish, it was not to defeat who won in 2008 he was only a paper candidate for the Torys to start with, plus he never restood because he knew he would get beating, The Redbridge ward is a working class ward, it is a very rare thing for a Tory to win here and only happens when there is a revolt against the Labour Party, And I told you last year and again this year Labour would not just win this ward it would win the council also, Labour hit 2 Wards hard in Southampton they even got the Unions to get out to help them.
212 with a 33% ward turn-out 6%
220 with a 27% ward turn-out 8%
You will learn when you finally decide to stand as a candidate your self.

If you were making great strides in Redbridge and the working class were coming round to the far left ideas of TUSC why did you spend all your time in Shirley precinct speaking to a handful of people.
When the Labour Party was formed in 1900 we won seats immediately and had over 40 MPs within a few years.
There have been a series of far left fringe parties over many decades which have never made any progress. Your idea that people are suddenly going to see the light and support another fringe ultra left trotskyist group is pie in the sky. Trotsky was killed in 1940 and we have been waiting over 70 years for them to take power.

I only spend 2 hours in Shirley and only one day may be 2 days but I was only there for 2 hours, got to much to do to spend any longer there, plus its for a cause and to make people aware off what is happening with these cuts mainly in the NHS and who doing the cuts and who started them and who carried on with them.
The Labour Party did not win any thing in the first 30 years, started in the 1800's not 1900's, they did not win any thing till all left wing groups with some right wing groups united under the one banner, the Humble beginning of the Labour Party started in 1834, 1838 Working Men's Association formed later to become the Independent Labour Party formed in Bradford 1898 later to be called the Labour Party, when the ILP joined the Communist known as the Labour Party.

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

No Tebourba it was because the Right wing inside Labour became to strong and would not listen to people it mattered the right wing in Labour wanted it there way and no other way, It was those on the left that listen to the ordinary people on the streets then pass on to the main body of Labour what people was thinking and saying and what they wanted.
An now that there is no Left in Labour, Labour like the Torys have no attachment to the ordinary people and are just as far remove from the streets as the Torys.
It as all ways been the Left wing Element that had a connection to people on the streets, because they was the ones doing the stalls every where, talking to people in the work place, in cafes and bars.
And yes we do need a general election now and we do need Labour back in power, just to prove to people when they start the cuts they are no different from the Tory party. all for them selfs and no one else.

So you think that Derek Hatton and his crowd up in Liverpool were Right Wing?

Come in out of the rain Southy.

Hatten was center ground but he knew what was right and what was wrong as did the rest of Liverpool council, even lo they got removed from office they done what was right for the people of Liverpool they force the Government to spend another £63 million in there city, which created jobs, council homes being built and recreations for the people.
This is putting the local people first and there needs, and got what they wanted for there people, Liverpool Council back then beat the Thatcher Government even lo it cost them there jobs, they though about the people and not in them selfs.
This is some thing Nu-Labour will not do they put them selfs before the People just like the Torys do.

Which is why Derek 'Degsy' Hatton is now the multi-millionaire Chairman of Rippleffect and his son, Bob, is the Managing Director. A well run Socialist company?

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

No Tebourba it was because the Right wing inside Labour became to strong and would not listen to people it mattered the right wing in Labour wanted it there way and no other way, It was those on the left that listen to the ordinary people on the streets then pass on to the main body of Labour what people was thinking and saying and what they wanted.
An now that there is no Left in Labour, Labour like the Torys have no attachment to the ordinary people and are just as far remove from the streets as the Torys.
It as all ways been the Left wing Element that had a connection to people on the streets, because they was the ones doing the stalls every where, talking to people in the work place, in cafes and bars.
And yes we do need a general election now and we do need Labour back in power, just to prove to people when they start the cuts they are no different from the Tory party. all for them selfs and no one else.

So you think that Derek Hatton and his crowd up in Liverpool were Right Wing?

Come in out of the rain Southy.

Hatten was center ground but he knew what was right and what was wrong as did the rest of Liverpool council, even lo they got removed from office they done what was right for the people of Liverpool they force the Government to spend another £63 million in there city, which created jobs, council homes being built and recreations for the people.
This is putting the local people first and there needs, and got what they wanted for there people, Liverpool Council back then beat the Thatcher Government even lo it cost them there jobs, they though about the people and not in them selfs.
This is some thing Nu-Labour will not do they put them selfs before the People just like the Torys do.

Which is why Derek 'Degsy' Hatton is now the multi-millionaire Chairman of Rippleffect and his son, Bob, is the Managing Director. A well run Socialist company?

Socialism do not stop people making money for them selfs or even owning land or running a business, its how it is done and how it run.
What Hatton plus others done for Liverpool was for it people to benefit and never for their selfs, he got what the city needed at a cost to his political career,
You will never find that happening in a capitalist system its the other way round, they look after them selfs and close friends and sod what the people need.

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

No Tebourba it was because the Right wing inside Labour became to strong and would not listen to people it mattered the right wing in Labour wanted it there way and no other way, It was those on the left that listen to the ordinary people on the streets then pass on to the main body of Labour what people was thinking and saying and what they wanted.
An now that there is no Left in Labour, Labour like the Torys have no attachment to the ordinary people and are just as far remove from the streets as the Torys.
It as all ways been the Left wing Element that had a connection to people on the streets, because they was the ones doing the stalls every where, talking to people in the work place, in cafes and bars.
And yes we do need a general election now and we do need Labour back in power, just to prove to people when they start the cuts they are no different from the Tory party. all for them selfs and no one else.

So you think that Derek Hatton and his crowd up in Liverpool were Right Wing?

Come in out of the rain Southy.

Hatten was center ground but he knew what was right and what was wrong as did the rest of Liverpool council, even lo they got removed from office they done what was right for the people of Liverpool they force the Government to spend another £63 million in there city, which created jobs, council homes being built and recreations for the people.
This is putting the local people first and there needs, and got what they wanted for there people, Liverpool Council back then beat the Thatcher Government even lo it cost them there jobs, they though about the people and not in them selfs.
This is some thing Nu-Labour will not do they put them selfs before the People just like the Torys do.

Which is why Derek 'Degsy' Hatton is now the multi-millionaire Chairman of Rippleffect and his son, Bob, is the Managing Director. A well run Socialist company?

Socialism do not stop people making money for them selfs or even owning land or running a business, its how it is done and how it run.
What Hatton plus others done for Liverpool was for it people to benefit and never for their selfs, he got what the city needed at a cost to his political career,
You will never find that happening in a capitalist system its the other way round, they look after them selfs and close friends and sod what the people need.

Southy, you are just like Cameron, Clegg and Osborne.

They are out of touch as well.

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

sottondave wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

No I wasn't criticising Shirley, just wondering why it was selected or was it Mark Chaloners ward that was chosen?

If you not realise why Shirley just look who is in the picture, the Councillor you see is being groom to step into WhiteHead shoes.

More to the point why was it kept quiet he was coming back down to southampton for the 3 time, and the people that attended are those from the Labour Party only.

Southy
We only knew about the visit on Thursday night. He obviously came down to Southampton because of the great success of the Labour Party locally.
When is your leader coming down to celebrate TUSC's success in reaching more than double figures.

Dave who knows when he coming down but there will be pleanty of time so any body who wants to know can turn up and ask questions

Pete, Would the right question be asking the Labour party not to stand in the Redbridge ward?

Thats down to Labour where they stand (The TUSC is not going to do a Labour Party and send some one to ask them to stand down in certain wards, like the Labour Party did to the TUSC), they thrown there best at me in Redbridge and it has not work, they never broke my vote, and next stage for me is start stepping the pressure up. This ward is winnable for the TUSC.

The point is Pete you agreed to do exactly that, on the condition that Labour didn't stand against you in Redbridge.

You obviously thought that without Labour standing in Redbridge you would win, which is why you asked them not to stand, they refused your request and won anyway plus the seats in other wards.

No it was not, If you know what the answer going to be before you ask it, And we knew that they was not willing to give, and no ward was mention as a direct location, they could of pick any ward they like if they was willing to give, but they was not even willing to give in the Tory strong hold, they just wanted to take and not give, the sort of thing you would expect any capitalist to do take and not give.
AQnd that is the fact "to take but not give"

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

TEBOURBA wrote:
The Labour Party was all but destroyed by the Trotsky infiltrators in the 1980's making it unelectable and allowing Thatcher to destroy the coal mining industry and privatise gas, water,rail and electricity enabling the big financial institutions to control our essential industries.
I think it is creditable that these Trotskys have given up infiltrating Labour and have formed their own TUSC party and I wish them the success they deserve.
I seem to recall the Screamimg Lord Sutch's, Monster Raving Looney Party (MRLP) enjoyed a higher turnout than TUSC!
The only way to oust egotist, News of the World supporter, Cameron, the evil Osborne and cowardly Clegg, from running and ruining this Country is to vote Labour.
The much maligned Gordon Brown saved us from a financial melt down that would have made the Wall Street crash look like a picnic.
His predecessors implemented the greatest social revolution, for the benefit of the working class, this Country has ever known.
If you are against this unholy Con/Lib coalition then the only way to end it is by voting LABOUR, not to waste your vote on Green, TUSC, MRLP or whatever other fanciful organisations put themselves up for election.
We have shown in Southampton it can be done, now let's do it at the General Election!!

No Tebourba it was because the Right wing inside Labour became to strong and would not listen to people it mattered the right wing in Labour wanted it there way and no other way, It was those on the left that listen to the ordinary people on the streets then pass on to the main body of Labour what people was thinking and saying and what they wanted.
An now that there is no Left in Labour, Labour like the Torys have no attachment to the ordinary people and are just as far remove from the streets as the Torys.
It as all ways been the Left wing Element that had a connection to people on the streets, because they was the ones doing the stalls every where, talking to people in the work place, in cafes and bars.
And yes we do need a general election now and we do need Labour back in power, just to prove to people when they start the cuts they are no different from the Tory party. all for them selfs and no one else.

So you think that Derek Hatton and his crowd up in Liverpool were Right Wing?

Come in out of the rain Southy.

Hatten was center ground but he knew what was right and what was wrong as did the rest of Liverpool council, even lo they got removed from office they done what was right for the people of Liverpool they force the Government to spend another £63 million in there city, which created jobs, council homes being built and recreations for the people.
This is putting the local people first and there needs, and got what they wanted for there people, Liverpool Council back then beat the Thatcher Government even lo it cost them there jobs, they though about the people and not in them selfs.
This is some thing Nu-Labour will not do they put them selfs before the People just like the Torys do.

Which is why Derek 'Degsy' Hatton is now the multi-millionaire Chairman of Rippleffect and his son, Bob, is the Managing Director. A well run Socialist company?

Socialism do not stop people making money for them selfs or even owning land or running a business, its how it is done and how it run.
What Hatton plus others done for Liverpool was for it people to benefit and never for their selfs, he got what the city needed at a cost to his political career,
You will never find that happening in a capitalist system its the other way round, they look after them selfs and close friends and sod what the people need.

Southy, you are just like Cameron, Clegg and Osborne.

They are out of touch as well.

I am more than likely more in touch with the people on the street than you are, I most certainly more in touch that the Labour Party.
You only see the main partys on the street when elections come round, but you see us on the streets talking and listening to people all yrat round.
Its Labour is like Cameron and Clegg, they got rid of the only people that had conections to the people on the streets and why Labour is moving more and more Right wing.

The Wickham Man wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist I do not support NuLabour, or its closet Conservative leader Milliband
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But I sympathise with Millband, who basically has become victim of crime. Thankfully it was only an egg, but could have been somebody wearing explosive vest.
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Considering our nations is on the hit list of many obnoxious characters, why the Leader of Opposition was not properly protected?
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As the person who did this simply escaped, says neither much about Hampshire Police Authority of which a NuLabour councillor is the Chair, nor all the members of NuLabour who were hanging around Milliband at the time and competing with each other for getting their rightwing faces in the picture
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If all the NuLabour councillors who were with their right wing leader at the time could not even be bothered to get hold of the person who attacked their leader whom they pretend to worship, how can we the ordinary people expect them to do anything meaningful to save our services which will now be under serious attack same way as they were under Smith led Tories.

You just spout a load of meaningless tripe and dogma. You don't address the real world because you aren't capable, so you attack a simplified distorted version you have made up. Millband is clearly NOT a conservative despite what you say, but he is not the kind of extreme self pitying envious class-obsessed berk who wants well off people to pay for everything that lazy unintelligent people like yourself can't be bothered to earn for yourselves. You are well off as you deserve to be, and if you don't like it , try working a bit harder and stop expecting hard working people like myself to hand over even more of my earnings on some false pretext of "fairness". Every penny I have I earned myself, and I pay more tax than you though I use less of the welfare state than you. Now man up and support labour if you are a socialist or are you too much of coward even to do that?

The Wickham Man, normally I avoid replying to comments, especially from people like you. But I had lunch with some of my Tory friends. Yes it may surprise you that I have close friends whose political views I may not share and they do not share mine, but we have many other interest like motor sports in common, and we enjoy each others company because unlike you they do not talk from their back side
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I had to promise my mate’s wife that for once I will do away with usual practise and tell you that even for a Tory you are a twit. Intelligent Conservatives with some honour find likes of you embarrassment because you are a big headed bigot or stuck up snob. Apparently Texans describe people like you ‘Man with big hat but no cattle’!
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It does not give me any pleasure to tell you, whose mother tonge probably is English, unlike mine, to learn to read and understand English language properly
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Words I used are “closet Conservative”. Not “a Conservative”. Obviously a big difference, but not for person like you who simply wants to mislead people. My Tory contacts tell me that it is not an honourable thing to do
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You seem to think highly of Ed Milliband, but then do not support him. Its hypocrisy
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You have boasted about the size of your tax bill. I do not see why anybody should other than you should be interested in that. I certainly am not. If you are earning more than me and many others I will say good luck to you provided it is not out of immorality or crime. Hope you and your family enjoy your large income. Most of us are not obsessed with competing with others, so modest lifestyle saves us from stress, which many with attitude like yours tend to suffer
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If you are against welfare state, it is your right to campaign against it. I am one of those who believes in humanity and compassion, so if I have to pay tax which may help somebody in need I do not moan like you
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You appear to be so stupid or blinkered that you are assuming a lot about me and people like me, without knowing that I also work, even when I’d lost my job in 80’s I used to do voluntary unpaid work helping others, when I found two contributors and members of Tory Party living in Chilworth who were running their own businesses, they were not only abusing services of volunteers like me but were also claiming various benefits. But being blinkered Tory supporter you and others like you won’t ever talk about those kinds. Nor about super rich multinational companies who probably are pocketing millions in subsidies, because some odd single mother or some disabled person can be easy target
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Hope you will be enjoying bank holiday on your yacht, and won’t be requiring RNLI volunteers help to rescue you.

Linesman while doing stalls for the Socialist Party and the TUSC, you know how many people though that we was from the Labour Party because you use to see these thing from the Labour party at one time and it was the Socialist party and the Socialist Workers and the Communist Party that use to do all the stalls for the Labour Party the right wing part of Labour never do any thing like having weekly stalls it was all ways the Left wing Labour, and now that most of the Left wing in Labour have been removed or push out of the party, Labour no longer knowns what the people really thinks or want or need they have no connections to the ordinary people of the streets, but in the next 2 years people are going to learn who are doing the stalls on the streets and who are fighting for the people for what they want, and who they are backing

pushamara wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
You have to question why he chose Shirley and how good the Security was.

And what is the problem with Shirley? I hate the misconception of Shirley as being full off down and outs and a rough place. I live in Shirley for 35 years and could count on one hand the amount of time I've seen any trouble. Shirley is a large shopping area, second only to the city centre so attracts a lot of people to it. The majority of these people probably don't even live in Shirley. Shirley contains a very large percentage of the voting public as it is a large area. So why don't you stop Shirley bashing and get your head out of the sand?

I lived in Shirley for 2 years and it was the worst 2 years of my life Im out of the area now thankgod the amount of crime I saw was unbelievable so sorry love but you need 2 open you eyes love