Joy - and caution - at Labour election victory (From Daily Echo)

see who's celebrating when the increased council tax bills hit the mat next year

Hope some body at the echo starts the ball rolling and get the bridge lights red not bloody blue ,we are saints we are red and white labour,
come on council make the change ?
C.O.Y.R

derek james wrote:
see who's celebrating when the increased council tax bills hit the mat next year

Of course, you did realise that the council tax did not rise because of decisions taken at Westminster don't you?

If the City council had raised the council tax, they would have received a much smaller government grant. It was nothing to do with Royston Smith's policies.

It was because Royston Smith could not deal with that restriction placed on him, that he could not cope and screwed up everything.

Linesman wrote:

derek james wrote: see who's celebrating when the increased council tax bills hit the mat next year

Of course, you did realise that the council tax did not rise because of decisions taken at Westminster don't you? If the City council had raised the council tax, they would have received a much smaller government grant. It was nothing to do with Royston Smith's policies. It was because Royston Smith could not deal with that restriction placed on him, that he could not cope and screwed up everything.

I have made this comment before, however people only see and hear what they want to, there's no telling some people.

whilst I'm glad that Royston and his agenda has been ousted, I now await what Labour have planned.

Its time that those in power put the people and the city first. So labour this is your chance...

Nice to see the 'Daily Echo trying to putv a rather negative tinge on things. Thepeople of Southampton have voted the Tories out. I expect there not to be much difference for business and they are naturally cautious anyway. That how business are. Bit of a non story here Jon!!

waltons11 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

derek james wrote: see who's celebrating when the increased council tax bills hit the mat next year

Of course, you did realise that the council tax did not rise because of decisions taken at Westminster don't you? If the City council had raised the council tax, they would have received a much smaller government grant. It was nothing to do with Royston Smith's policies. It was because Royston Smith could not deal with that restriction placed on him, that he could not cope and screwed up everything.

I have made this comment before, however people only see and hear what they want to, there's no telling some people.

That may be so, but the Tory posters on here who are only interested in saving a few pounds a year on their Council Tax, want readers to believe that the Council alone has responsibility for setting the Council Tax.
Those with knowledge realise that 80% of Council funding comes from central Government. The reductions in grants to Councils have been made to bail out the banks by slashing sevices.
The Conservative administration did of course increase the cuts burden by offering an additional 10% council tax discount to pensioners and Police staff. The pensioners that qualified were not those in real need, the needy would qualify for council tax benefit anyway. It did help the better off ones in Bassett and other leafy suburds too though, like Highfield and Portswood. Guess which party won in those wards?
Still, the bribe didn't work and Royston's pig headedness lost his party control and his party colleagues paid the price across the city.
Perhaps in future ,the local Conservatives will chose a leader who will not provoke a fight and bring the city into disrepute. The unions didn't want strikes but cuts in their wages were the last resort.

dualsy wrote:
Hope some body at the echo starts the ball rolling and get the bridge lights red not bloody blue ,we are saints we are red and white labour,
come on council make the change ?
C.O.Y.R

you can't have red lights unless its a single red beacon light on the top of each post... its due to aviation legislation...

Maine Lobster wrote:

waltons11 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

derek james wrote: see who's celebrating when the increased council tax bills hit the mat next year

Of course, you did realise that the council tax did not rise because of decisions taken at Westminster don't you? If the City council had raised the council tax, they would have received a much smaller government grant. It was nothing to do with Royston Smith's policies. It was because Royston Smith could not deal with that restriction placed on him, that he could not cope and screwed up everything.

I have made this comment before, however people only see and hear what they want to, there's no telling some people.

That may be so, but the Tory posters on here who are only interested in saving a few pounds a year on their Council Tax, want readers to believe that the Council alone has responsibility for setting the Council Tax.
Those with knowledge realise that 80% of Council funding comes from central Government. The reductions in grants to Councils have been made to bail out the banks by slashing sevices.
The Conservative administration did of course increase the cuts burden by offering an additional 10% council tax discount to pensioners and Police staff. The pensioners that qualified were not those in real need, the needy would qualify for council tax benefit anyway. It did help the better off ones in Bassett and other leafy suburds too though, like Highfield and Portswood. Guess which party won in those wards?
Still, the bribe didn't work and Royston's pig headedness lost his party control and his party colleagues paid the price across the city.
Perhaps in future ,the local Conservatives will chose a leader who will not provoke a fight and bring the city into disrepute. The unions didn't want strikes but cuts in their wages were the last resort.

sorry but your line "the unions didn't want strikes" made me fall over laughing.... thats the most ridiculous thing said on here for ages....Not only do they want strikes but they will up the anti now and will press for stupid consessions that the labour council will give them so as not to appear to look weak and foolish and guess who picjs up the bill next spring with a huge rise in council tax ? yep...
Also being economically illiterate, the labour council will embark madness like raising parking charges, charges to business etc etc and drive down investment in the city. Their priority as always will to make sure the spongers and layabouts get their needs looked after and of course signs everywhere in about 400 different languages costing thousands so as not to offend any andian indiginous tribal member who may visit the city and not be able to speak english.... Just wait for 100s of stories in the echo of wasted tens of thousands of tax payers money on irrelebant projects and obsolete politically correct garbage.... let the fun begin !

Fair play, but just watch your money being p1ssed away then perhaps the protest vote will look a bit self defeating.

Shoong wrote:
Fair play, but just watch your money being p1ssed away then perhaps the protest vote will look a bit self defeating.

spot on , the protest vote akin to turkeys voting for christmas...who shall we have to run our city ?? I know, lets elect the party that brought the country to its knees by increasing the national debt to crippling levels !! yes lets let them loose with the city's coffers....

Look at it logically will you all!
In Woolston Labour promised a load of flats double glazing.
they have said they will build 1,500 new homes? are they building on the common or sports centre? where the hell are 1,500 homes going to go?
They have said no redundancies in the first year & made up jobs will be found for the jobs that will have to be lost & then it will be reviewed after one year?
They are opposed to 400 jobs being created by Lidl?
They agreed with their paymasters on scrapping the pensioners discount yet it would lose them votes so they halved it (U-Turn ?).
Will the refuse workers wait for 1 year for their pay to be restored?
Will the redundancies take place next year whilst they're on the lower pay?
exactly how will Labour pay for the restoration of pay & the creation of monkey jobs?
to not make the cuts the tory council had put in place not only will they have to cover this years cuts but they will have to cover the money for pay restoration?
Just on the pay restoration & without this years cut in income the council would have to raise council tax by £10 a month add this years that would double so it's not the case of a few pounds is it?
Low paid in the private sector & the council will be hit whilst at this moment they're not touched.
Only those on £30,000-£60,000 will be better off.
How will the council pay for the yearly 4% pay rises the council staff wanted as well?
Will an agreement be made?
Unite after promising the workers so much can't in any way justify any agreement that doesn't restore their pay straight away & will they be pressing to have it back dated?
If Unite accept a deal where the pay's not restored for say a year that will stab their own members in the back & prove the Tories (me) right by saying the workers were used in a political strike which Labour has the cheek to say is the reason they won power to stop the strikes?
Their paymasters done it to get them power or are the strikes to continue?

MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

Tories were voted out by one in seven voters. Six out of seven either voted for other parties or did not vote.
Local Tories wanted council tax to be as low as possible but provide decent services. Lets hope Labour don't waste our money, I will be pleasantly surprised if council taxes do not rise.

bring back royston.

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

So why was it that Unite Unison & the council came to an agreement in our dispute & then the Oil companies came to an agreement with Unite in their dispute for Unite in both cases to walk away after agreeing only to recommend a vote for industrial action?
Surely a deal has been done as was said in both cases means a recommendation to accept the deal doesn't it?
Unite sent letters to Labour saying they would do what they could to get a Labour council before they even went into talks with the council.
Now's the time to see if they're truly fighting for their members or if this was a political strike & blackmail of the electorate to gain a labour council?

Aldermoor Boy

Only 17% of the electorate voted Conservative at the last general election. The others either voted for other parties or did not vote. Yet David Cameron is Prime Minister and we have Tory policies (despite what any Lib Dem might try to tell you).

Another irony is that if Eastleigh was run by a decent bunch, they would capitalise on this disaster for southampton and try to hoover up investments and opportunities.... but they won't. They too are too steeped in dogma and pipe-dreams.

PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
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Just loving it

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
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Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
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So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
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Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Ford Prefect wrote:
Aldermoor Boy

Only 17% of the electorate voted Conservative at the last general election. The others either voted for other parties or did not vote. Yet David Cameron is Prime Minister and we have Tory policies (despite what any Lib Dem might try to tell you).

Really who do you think wants Gay marriages or House of Lords reforms whilst we're trying to fix & devastated economy you know the one Labour left us with?
I wish both Labour & the Conservatives had refused to deal with the Liberals & a new election had been called.
The Liberal party wouldn't be able to contest another election so good riddance to them.
then it would have been a straight race between the Tories & the Labour party.
Oh! don't forget it was a Labour Government that introduced Education fees for students not this government.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
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So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
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Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

you need better glasses and/or an atlas mate... I work in west end, knightsbridge, and woolston. Of those three only woolston is in Southampton, and I do not live their. I live in Eastleigh borough. And West End where I work some of the time is also Eastleigh , not Southampton.... keep up....

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
.
So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
.
Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

Now I know where Labours getting 1,500 homes from?
Caravans where they'll all park I don't know but it's cheap & easy to provide that many instead of building houses isn't it?

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
.
So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
.
Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

Now I know where Labours getting 1,500 homes from?
Caravans where they'll all park I don't know but it's cheap & easy to provide that many instead of building houses isn't it?

they won't build 1500 homes... I am sure no one fell for that... another great irony is that the labour treason-machine spent a lot of money trying to stop the new museum and then trying to make it fail. But visitor numbers are high, there is more commercial investment for the future ( or rather was until the election ) and its been well received by the residents and near-residents of the city....labour must be gutted its so successful...

Putting up the average council tax bill by as much as 10% (NOT band D, thats NOT average) would cost about £2pw per houshold and much less per person. I will be disappointed if there is no attempt to rebalance the low level of Council Tax and consequential low level of service provision. The Con Dems think local govt is about one issue. It is not.

On the inside wrote:
Putting up the average council tax bill by as much as 10% (NOT band D, thats NOT average) would cost about £2pw per houshold and much less per person. I will be disappointed if there is no attempt to rebalance the low level of Council Tax and consequential low level of service provision. The Con Dems think local govt is about one issue. It is not.

true... but it would be the slippery slope... we all know labour, they would then borrow stupid amounts and council tax rises would continue year after year... I think the lib-dems are idiots largely but even they have managed to do a reasonable attempt at balancing the books in Eastleigh Borough. Obvious things like 14 day bin collections help, but that won't happen in soutampton. The unions won't permit rational savings like that. just one example.

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
.
So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
.
Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

you need better glasses and/or an atlas mate... I work in west end, knightsbridge, and woolston. Of those three only woolston is in Southampton, and I do not live their. I live in Eastleigh borough. And West End where I work some of the time is also Eastleigh , not Southampton.... keep up....

So if you live in Eastleigh borough... what gives you the right to comment about Southampton issues? Technically then doesn't that mean you're voting for Eastleigh? I might be mistaken as I haven't a clue who you'd be voting under, the parliamentary boundaries are completely different to suburb boundaries!

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
.
So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
.
Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

you need better glasses and/or an atlas mate... I work in west end, knightsbridge, and woolston. Of those three only woolston is in Southampton, and I do not live their. I live in Eastleigh borough. And West End where I work some of the time is also Eastleigh , not Southampton.... keep up....

Keep up ...... No thanks .... You seem quite happy in your own sad little world .... i will leave you to it

waltons11 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

derek james wrote: see who's celebrating when the increased council tax bills hit the mat next year

Of course, you did realise that the council tax did not rise because of decisions taken at Westminster don't you? If the City council had raised the council tax, they would have received a much smaller government grant. It was nothing to do with Royston Smith's policies. It was because Royston Smith could not deal with that restriction placed on him, that he could not cope and screwed up everything.

I have made this comment before, however people only see and hear what they want to, there's no telling some people.

Ditto Waltons I done the same.

dualsy wrote:
Hope some body at the echo starts the ball rolling and get the bridge lights red not bloody blue ,we are saints we are red and white labour,
come on council make the change ?
C.O.Y.R

You're a sad pathetic football fan. Wait i'm stating the obvious. Life isn't all about that stupid game. How about they use some of their massive wages to help get the economy rolling again?

AndyVD wrote:

dualsy wrote:
Hope some body at the echo starts the ball rolling and get the bridge lights red not bloody blue ,we are saints we are red and white labour,
come on council make the change ?
C.O.Y.R

You're a sad pathetic football fan. Wait i'm stating the obvious. Life isn't all about that stupid game. How about they use some of their massive wages to help get the economy rolling again?

They being the footballers.

AndyVD wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
.
So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
.
Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

you need better glasses and/or an atlas mate... I work in west end, knightsbridge, and woolston. Of those three only woolston is in Southampton, and I do not live their. I live in Eastleigh borough. And West End where I work some of the time is also Eastleigh , not Southampton.... keep up....

So if you live in Eastleigh borough... what gives you the right to comment about Southampton issues? Technically then doesn't that mean you're voting for Eastleigh? I might be mistaken as I haven't a clue who you'd be voting under, the parliamentary boundaries are completely different to suburb boundaries!

um, that would be freedom of speech that gives me the right to comment on anything I like... I take it you emigrated here from Dresden or somewhere similar where freedom of speech was only allowed post 1989.

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Fair play, but just watch your money being p1ssed away then perhaps the protest vote will look a bit self defeating.

spot on , the protest vote akin to turkeys voting for christmas...who shall we have to run our city ?? I know, lets elect the party that brought the country to its knees by increasing the national debt to crippling levels !! yes lets let them loose with the city's coffers....

A lot off normally Tory voters voted Labour this time, its telling the Tory Party to get rid of Royston Smith or lose there votes, and they get the same reaction if J moulton takes over the Tory party.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
.
So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
.
Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

you need better glasses and/or an atlas mate... I work in west end, knightsbridge, and woolston. Of those three only woolston is in Southampton, and I do not live their. I live in Eastleigh borough. And West End where I work some of the time is also Eastleigh , not Southampton.... keep up....

Keep up ...... No thanks .... You seem quite happy in your own sad little world .... i will leave you to it

you mean my sad little world where I know the difference between where I work and where I live, and that same world where incredibly its possible to pay taxes in more that one borough !? that world... the one you seem to find far too confusing...

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Fair play, but just watch your money being p1ssed away then perhaps the protest vote will look a bit self defeating.

spot on , the protest vote akin to turkeys voting for christmas...who shall we have to run our city ?? I know, lets elect the party that brought the country to its knees by increasing the national debt to crippling levels !! yes lets let them loose with the city's coffers....

A lot off normally Tory voters voted Labour this time, its telling the Tory Party to get rid of Royston Smith or lose there votes, and they get the same reaction if J moulton takes over the Tory party.

no they did not... if you look at the real world you will see that Tory voters just stayed at home and so did most of labour voters... Labour poured loads of resources into the city simply because they knew they could get a soft win... Labour have two choices.. do pretty much what Royston was going to do or ruin the finances pandering to the unions and the "interest" groups... the latter means tories will take both seats in the next G.E. so its hobsons choice.... the best outcome for labour would have actually been a hung council.... the clever labour supporters realise this...

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
.
Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
.
So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
.
Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

you need better glasses and/or an atlas mate... I work in west end, knightsbridge, and woolston. Of those three only woolston is in Southampton, and I do not live their. I live in Eastleigh borough. And West End where I work some of the time is also Eastleigh , not Southampton.... keep up....

Keep up ...... No thanks .... You seem quite happy in your own sad little world .... i will leave you to it

you mean my sad little world where I know the difference between where I work and where I live, and that same world where incredibly its possible to pay taxes in more that one borough !? that world... the one you seem to find far too confusing...

Not too confusing for me .... But it must be for you.... as you know to be a good liar you will need a good memory.
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But of course you wasted tax payers money going to university to be an Economist ...... Mor of my money wasted.

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Fair play, but just watch your money being p1ssed away then perhaps the protest vote will look a bit self defeating.

spot on , the protest vote akin to turkeys voting for christmas...who shall we have to run our city ?? I know, lets elect the party that brought the country to its knees by increasing the national debt to crippling levels !! yes lets let them loose with the city's coffers....

A lot off normally Tory voters voted Labour this time, its telling the Tory Party to get rid of Royston Smith or lose there votes, and they get the same reaction if J moulton takes over the Tory party.

Utter hogwash, more of your propaganda made up gobbledy-gook.

The real protest was made by Conservative voters who showed their dissatisfaction by not voting at all.

At least they knew better than to vote for silly little one policy nutter parties, as the results clearly show.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
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Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
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So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
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Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

you need better glasses and/or an atlas mate... I work in west end, knightsbridge, and woolston. Of those three only woolston is in Southampton, and I do not live their. I live in Eastleigh borough. And West End where I work some of the time is also Eastleigh , not Southampton.... keep up....

Keep up ...... No thanks .... You seem quite happy in your own sad little world .... i will leave you to it

you mean my sad little world where I know the difference between where I work and where I live, and that same world where incredibly its possible to pay taxes in more that one borough !? that world... the one you seem to find far too confusing...

Not too confusing for me .... But it must be for you.... as you know to be a good liar you will need a good memory.
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But of course you wasted tax payers money going to university to be an Economist ...... Mor of my money wasted.

And then someone reminded me of the definition of an Economist :- one who, starting from a position of over-educated and under-informed logical supposition, commences making erroneous and devastating judgements about the functioning of the world, and then formally codifies their misunderstanding in dogmatic and arrogant absurdity.
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Doesnt that just fit the bill spot on.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Fair play, but just watch your money being p1ssed away then perhaps the protest vote will look a bit self defeating.

spot on , the protest vote akin to turkeys voting for christmas...who shall we have to run our city ?? I know, lets elect the party that brought the country to its knees by increasing the national debt to crippling levels !! yes lets let them loose with the city's coffers....

A lot off normally Tory voters voted Labour this time, its telling the Tory Party to get rid of Royston Smith or lose there votes, and they get the same reaction if J moulton takes over the Tory party.

Utter hogwash, more of your propaganda made up gobbledy-gook.

The real protest was made by Conservative voters who showed their dissatisfaction by not voting at all.

At least they knew better than to vote for silly little one policy nutter parties, as the results clearly show.

.. oh, come off it Shoong.
TUSC does not have ANY policies - only slogans.

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
PMSL :- Oh what how lovely it is to see the old Tory moaning minnies on here ..... the old abusive gloom and doom mongers are excelling themselves ........ And the democratically elected Labour party dont take control for a week or so.
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Just loving it

so am I just loving it... I live outside the city boundary...

Goodness me you must keep on moving then.
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So far you have posted that :- you live in West End London, West End Southampton, Woolston and now somewhere else.
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Still i suppose being in that caravan gives you the opportunity to live where you want

Now I know where Labours getting 1,500 homes from?
Caravans where they'll all park I don't know but it's cheap & easy to provide that many instead of building houses isn't it?

they won't build 1500 homes... I am sure no one fell for that... another great irony is that the labour treason-machine spent a lot of money trying to stop the new museum and then trying to make it fail. But visitor numbers are high, there is more commercial investment for the future ( or rather was until the election ) and its been well received by the residents and near-residents of the city....labour must be gutted its so successful...

That Figure of 1,500 come up 3 times, its to hide the graff Councillor Williams made of letting out how many jobs will be lost under a Labour council, mostly in the second year in office, the other times that number has come up is like you just said 1500 homes and to create 1500 jobs.
Labour has now got to deliver or the unions will ignore its leaders and strike against the Labour Council

MGRA wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

waltons11 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

derek james wrote: see who's celebrating when the increased council tax bills hit the mat next year

Of course, you did realise that the council tax did not rise because of decisions taken at Westminster don't you? If the City council had raised the council tax, they would have received a much smaller government grant. It was nothing to do with Royston Smith's policies. It was because Royston Smith could not deal with that restriction placed on him, that he could not cope and screwed up everything.

I have made this comment before, however people only see and hear what they want to, there's no telling some people.

That may be so, but the Tory posters on here who are only interested in saving a few pounds a year on their Council Tax, want readers to believe that the Council alone has responsibility for setting the Council Tax.
Those with knowledge realise that 80% of Council funding comes from central Government. The reductions in grants to Councils have been made to bail out the banks by slashing sevices.
The Conservative administration did of course increase the cuts burden by offering an additional 10% council tax discount to pensioners and Police staff. The pensioners that qualified were not those in real need, the needy would qualify for council tax benefit anyway. It did help the better off ones in Bassett and other leafy suburds too though, like Highfield and Portswood. Guess which party won in those wards?
Still, the bribe didn't work and Royston's pig headedness lost his party control and his party colleagues paid the price across the city.
Perhaps in future ,the local Conservatives will chose a leader who will not provoke a fight and bring the city into disrepute. The unions didn't want strikes but cuts in their wages were the last resort.

sorry but your line "the unions didn't want strikes" made me fall over laughing.... thats the most ridiculous thing said on here for ages....Not only do they want strikes but they will up the anti now and will press for stupid consessions that the labour council will give them so as not to appear to look weak and foolish and guess who picjs up the bill next spring with a huge rise in council tax ? yep...
Also being economically illiterate, the labour council will embark madness like raising parking charges, charges to business etc etc and drive down investment in the city. Their priority as always will to make sure the spongers and layabouts get their needs looked after and of course signs everywhere in about 400 different languages costing thousands so as not to offend any andian indiginous tribal member who may visit the city and not be able to speak english.... Just wait for 100s of stories in the echo of wasted tens of thousands of tax payers money on irrelebant projects and obsolete politically correct garbage.... let the fun begin !

Made you fall over laughing?

I guess you must be Unbalanced?

Strikes are invariably a reaction, not a first action.

I have yet to meet ANYONE who wants to go out on strike and make do with strike pay.

Having had an unpleasent few weeks here thanks to the callous, manipulative attacks of clausentum, stillness, lone ranger, rightway, and little hitler, I thought I'd do some "watching".

And lo and behold, what do we find ? Lone ranger making an insulting, provocative attack on a targetted poster.

MGRA, ranger is not interested in what you say. You are just his latest "victim". And if you begin outwitting him, he'll get his little gang to come and help him.

Now, ranger has four options : 1. a flat denial 2. an attack on me, that may be vindictive, or dismissive 3. ignore me completely 4. the usual rhetoric.

What he won't do is offer a sincere apology, or a fair-minded explanation.

MGRA wrote:

dualsy wrote:
Hope some body at the echo starts the ball rolling and get the bridge lights red not bloody blue ,we are saints we are red and white labour,
come on council make the change ?
C.O.Y.R

you can't have red lights unless its a single red beacon light on the top of each post... its due to aviation legislation...

Well done. The only true thing the loser Tories have said on here in the last 12 months. Have a chat with Loserhead for us all. He is blowing a gasket with all the anti union rubbish he constantly repeats. Thanks

Will the Tory Party nationally hold an urgent inquiry into how they lost? This will have to be done as a matter of urgency as a high profile council has just been given up without a fight!!

BillyTheKid wrote:
Having had an unpleasent few weeks here thanks to the callous, manipulative attacks of clausentum, stillness, lone ranger, rightway, and little hitler, I thought I'd do some "watching".

And lo and behold, what do we find ? Lone ranger making an insulting, provocative attack on a targetted poster.

MGRA, ranger is not interested in what you say. You are just his latest "victim". And if you begin outwitting him, he'll get his little gang to come and help him.

Now, ranger has four options : 1. a flat denial 2. an attack on me, that may be vindictive, or dismissive 3. ignore me completely 4. the usual rhetoric.

What he won't do is offer a sincere apology, or a fair-minded explanation.

ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.
ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.

Only time will tell under Williams led new administration which direction Council will go
.
But I have the feeling that under new faces policies will still be very similar if not exactly the same as under Conservatives. Although NuLabourites will do their usual things i.e. spin information in Mandelson style to make them appear good
.
Like them or not, democratic process has put NuLabourites in power. They have sufficient majority, so are here to stay for few years. People should face that fact
.
My socialist friends, some of whom are still stuck within NuLabour and others divided in small groups, should stop attacking each other, get together and seriously consider why they are failing to reach the silent majority? Why that silent majority is disillusioned from politics in democratic society and does not vote? What does that silent majority actually expects from elected representatives?
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I have the feeling it is not the sermons of Marx but real help with their daily problems and honesty from political class, which are also the basic ingredients of socialism. Those who created the original Labour Party knew that but sadly many self appointed theologians of socialism are failing to grasp that fact

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

freefinker wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
Having had an unpleasent few weeks here thanks to the callous, manipulative attacks of clausentum, stillness, lone ranger, rightway, and little hitler, I thought I'd do some "watching".

And lo and behold, what do we find ? Lone ranger making an insulting, provocative attack on a targetted poster.

MGRA, ranger is not interested in what you say. You are just his latest "victim". And if you begin outwitting him, he'll get his little gang to come and help him.

Now, ranger has four options : 1. a flat denial 2. an attack on me, that may be vindictive, or dismissive 3. ignore me completely 4. the usual rhetoric.

What he won't do is offer a sincere apology, or a fair-minded explanation.

ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.
ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.

May I ask you, politely, to stay out of it and not fan the flames. The characters I mentioned are objectionable, and I want to advertise their activities.

They attacked me personally, and I brought discredit on myself by retaliating. For the moment, everyone thinks I am no better than them.

I have decided to weather the storm, and to post comments like everyone else does , without the original "BillyTheKid" approach.

But whenever those trolls start up, I'm going to support any hapless poster they target.

Hope you can agree with that.

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

The only way that could happen if the City council decides to, which is very very unlikely to happen with Labour in control

BillyTheKid wrote:

freefinker wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
Having had an unpleasent few weeks here thanks to the callous, manipulative attacks of clausentum, stillness, lone ranger, rightway, and little hitler, I thought I'd do some "watching".

And lo and behold, what do we find ? Lone ranger making an insulting, provocative attack on a targetted poster.

MGRA, ranger is not interested in what you say. You are just his latest "victim". And if you begin outwitting him, he'll get his little gang to come and help him.

Now, ranger has four options : 1. a flat denial 2. an attack on me, that may be vindictive, or dismissive 3. ignore me completely 4. the usual rhetoric.

What he won't do is offer a sincere apology, or a fair-minded explanation.

ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.
ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.

May I ask you, politely, to stay out of it and not fan the flames. The characters I mentioned are objectionable, and I want to advertise their activities.

They attacked me personally, and I brought discredit on myself by retaliating. For the moment, everyone thinks I am no better than them.

I have decided to weather the storm, and to post comments like everyone else does , without the original "BillyTheKid" approach.

But whenever those trolls start up, I'm going to support any hapless poster they target.

Hope you can agree with that.

.. I suggest you stop trolling yourself.

'clausentum, stillness, lone ranger .. ' as well as MGRA are all long established and experienced posters on this site and need neither defence nor attack from yourself.

We are all quite capable of 'giving it and taking it' - it's what this site is all about.

If you have nothing to add to either the original story or the debate that ensues from it then you don't need to add your own two-penn’orth.

"Sally Lynskey, chief executive of Business Solent said wants to hear how Labour will help Southampton take its “many opportunities to earn its rightful place on the map of leading cities”.

She said: “Business Solent looks forward to receiving a briefing from the new leader of the council and working in partnership with his team to continue to strive to make the city the best place to work, invest, live, study and enjoy.”

Chris Treacher, managing director of Wise Catering, said he was concerned the party’s 50-point manifesto was “light on business issues”, and wants to see more done to encourage the “tentative signs of life coming back to the city”

He said: “The new Labour council must make sure that it listens to the views of businesses and shows that it is a party that supports economic prosperity for the city. An early test will be how the leader deals with the council pay issues.”

Why did the people of the City of Southampton vote for a change to a Labour council just when the City of Southampton had "“tentative signs of life coming back to the city”?! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
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Those council boroughs that surround Southampton will continue to grow and prosper while Southampton once again slides back into mediocrity! Deja Vu here we come!!

freefinker wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freefinker wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
Having had an unpleasent few weeks here thanks to the callous, manipulative attacks of clausentum, stillness, lone ranger, rightway, and little hitler, I thought I'd do some "watching".

And lo and behold, what do we find ? Lone ranger making an insulting, provocative attack on a targetted poster.

MGRA, ranger is not interested in what you say. You are just his latest "victim". And if you begin outwitting him, he'll get his little gang to come and help him.

Now, ranger has four options : 1. a flat denial 2. an attack on me, that may be vindictive, or dismissive 3. ignore me completely 4. the usual rhetoric.

What he won't do is offer a sincere apology, or a fair-minded explanation.

ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.
ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.

May I ask you, politely, to stay out of it and not fan the flames. The characters I mentioned are objectionable, and I want to advertise their activities.

They attacked me personally, and I brought discredit on myself by retaliating. For the moment, everyone thinks I am no better than them.

I have decided to weather the storm, and to post comments like everyone else does , without the original "BillyTheKid" approach.

But whenever those trolls start up, I'm going to support any hapless poster they target.

Hope you can agree with that.

.. I suggest you stop trolling yourself.

'clausentum, stillness, lone ranger .. ' as well as MGRA are all long established and experienced posters on this site and need neither defence nor attack from yourself.

We are all quite capable of 'giving it and taking it' - it's what this site is all about.

If you have nothing to add to either the original story or the debate that ensues from it then you don't need to add your own two-penn’orth.

Well said freefinker .... far more eloquently put than i could have ever managed ... !!

BillyTheKid wrote:

freefinker wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:
Having had an unpleasent few weeks here thanks to the callous, manipulative attacks of clausentum, stillness, lone ranger, rightway, and little hitler, I thought I'd do some "watching".

And lo and behold, what do we find ? Lone ranger making an insulting, provocative attack on a targetted poster.

MGRA, ranger is not interested in what you say. You are just his latest "victim". And if you begin outwitting him, he'll get his little gang to come and help him.

Now, ranger has four options : 1. a flat denial 2. an attack on me, that may be vindictive, or dismissive 3. ignore me completely 4. the usual rhetoric.

What he won't do is offer a sincere apology, or a fair-minded explanation.

ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.
ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ, ZZZZZ.

May I ask you, politely, to stay out of it and not fan the flames. The characters I mentioned are objectionable, and I want to advertise their activities.

They attacked me personally, and I brought discredit on myself by retaliating. For the moment, everyone thinks I am no better than them.

I have decided to weather the storm, and to post comments like everyone else does , without the original "BillyTheKid" approach.

But whenever those trolls start up, I'm going to support any hapless poster they target.

Hope you can agree with that.

You are right to make your point and you are correct in your assessment and your judgement.

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Southy is me.
TUSC = Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition a new political party that was formed at the last EU elections "No to the EU"
Then the general election TUSC

Time line
1 EU Ecection
1 General Election
2 Local Elections

The TUSC is an umbrella where you can stand unser the TUSC banner or another Banner like the Socialist Allience or Anti-Cuts and many others.

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

MGRA wrote:

dualsy wrote:
Hope some body at the echo starts the ball rolling and get the bridge lights red not bloody blue ,we are saints we are red and white labour,
come on council make the change ?
C.O.Y.R

you can't have red lights unless its a single red beacon light on the top of each post... its due to aviation legislation...

Well done. The only true thing the loser Tories have said on here in the last 12 months. Have a chat with Loserhead for us all. He is blowing a gasket with all the anti union rubbish he constantly repeats. Thanks

I asked you questions why didn't you answer them?
instead you write down loserhead?
So I'll ask a Labour/union mouth piece again,
How will you do everything you've promised to do?
How will you finance it?
Mr. Williams has said no redundancies this year but you will create jobs for those who's posts will go?
Will you pay them the same wage?
I asked you when will Labour restore the workers wages? So far no reply?
Your title was a dig/get at me thing so why do you feel so threatened by me you have to try & ridicule me instead of answering all of us want to know not just Tory voters but every one or can't you?
After being slated for not following my families orders I couldn't care about your name calling but even children get fed up in the end so why not you?

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

'Southy' is Pete Wyatt, very easily looked up on DE site for Election results.

Here's the loons Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.
com/profile.php?id=1
806681571

Check out the photo album for a laugh. Dressing like American tourists, taking pictures of big burley skin head lefty nutters & waving Socialist News rags on protest.

I came away not fearing a Socialist revolution funnily enough. 'Kev' looks a laugh as well.

Shoong wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

'Southy' is Pete Wyatt, very easily looked up on DE site for Election results.

Here's the loons Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.

com/profile.php?id=1

806681571

Check out the photo album for a laugh. Dressing like American tourists, taking pictures of big burley skin head lefty nutters & waving Socialist News rags on protest.

I came away not fearing a Socialist revolution funnily enough. 'Kev' looks a laugh as well.

oh, forgot to say, plastic Manc as well.

Shoong wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

'Southy' is Pete Wyatt, very easily looked up on DE site for Election results.

Here's the loons Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.


com/profile.php?id=1


806681571

Check out the photo album for a laugh. Dressing like American tourists, taking pictures of big burley skin head lefty nutters & waving Socialist News rags on protest.

I came away not fearing a Socialist revolution funnily enough. 'Kev' looks a laugh as well.

oh, forgot to say, plastic Manc as well.

Thats your style that your into

southy wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Southy is me.
TUSC = Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition a new political party that was formed at the last EU elections "No to the EU"
Then the general election TUSC

Time line
1 EU Ecection
1 General Election
2 Local Elections

The TUSC is an umbrella where you can stand unser the TUSC banner or another Banner like the Socialist Allience or Anti-Cuts and many others.

Thank-you, Southy. No doubt I can do a bit of googling and find out why the EU is a problem. My guess is that Europe will be telling us what to do if we join fully !

One more question, anybody. What is a Shoong, and why is it rude to southy ?

BillyTheKid wrote:

southy wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Southy is me.
TUSC = Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition a new political party that was formed at the last EU elections "No to the EU"
Then the general election TUSC

Time line
1 EU Ecection
1 General Election
2 Local Elections

The TUSC is an umbrella where you can stand unser the TUSC banner or another Banner like the Socialist Allience or Anti-Cuts and many others.

Thank-you, Southy. No doubt I can do a bit of googling and find out why the EU is a problem. My guess is that Europe will be telling us what to do if we join fully !

One more question, anybody. What is a Shoong, and why is it rude to southy ?

I would dearly love to give you my impression re your last question ................. But i fear you would tell me off again ... and i hate rejection

I want to know what is going to be cut in order to give the council workers their pay back.

The workers were offered a compromise which they rejected so they must be expecting a better offer.

The council tax is set for the year so the only option is for the council to raise something like car parking (which people can't afford and would hit business) or they need to cut some services and use that money to pay the people their wages.

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

You blame the Unions for the Tory demise in Southampton, but looking at results, they were stuffed all over the country.

Please don't tell me that every authority that fell to Labour had rubbish piling up in their streets, or had seen so many of their workers thrown out of their jobs.

In Southampton the cause was down to an arrogant, pig-headed, 'I know best' person who had no idea of man management or city management and certainly no idea of how to negotiate with Unions. Unions are representatives of their members, and expect people to negotiate in good faith. That did not happen, and the result is plain for all to see.

Linesmen, is it not correct that the previous council offered the Unions a compromise that the voters rejected?

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

You blame the Unions for the Tory demise in Southampton, but looking at results, they were stuffed all over the country.

Please don't tell me that every authority that fell to Labour had rubbish piling up in their streets, or had seen so many of their workers thrown out of their jobs.

In Southampton the cause was down to an arrogant, pig-headed, 'I know best' person who had no idea of man management or city management and certainly no idea of how to negotiate with Unions. Unions are representatives of their members, and expect people to negotiate in good faith. That did not happen, and the result is plain for all to see.

Linesman the council tried in the beginning to negotiate & even the Unions admit they put forward 5 proposals compromising each time.
the Unions rejected every proposal, they were asked for a solution they said it wasn't down to them.
the council had to cut £25million from the yearly bill so enforced the latest proposal which would save as many jobs as possible.
They went at the unions bequest to ACAS & the Unions refused to talk the council put forward another proposal but the unions wouldn't talk.
Then months later the three unions & the council accepted that very same proposal ?
Only for Unite to renege on the deal & tell it's members to vote against it.
Now tell me where the Tories failed to compromise & negotiate?
Then tell me how long will it be before they get their money back from this Labour council?
Also tell me if council tax goes up by £10-£20 a month how is a refuse worker who only lost 2% of his pay be better off?
You should watch that program on BBC 2 about a guy trying to bring back manufacturing from China.took on 17 new employees 5 left with out even telling him others just take sickies for no reason ( felt tired).
we have to get it so people change their attitudes to work.
I don't want people to feel as if they're the lowest of the low for being on the dole but it's got to be some thing you avoid at all costs & even if you hate the work you'll do it rather than being on the dole that's how it was when I was young

Lone Ranger. wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

southy wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Southy is me.
TUSC = Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition a new political party that was formed at the last EU elections "No to the EU"
Then the general election TUSC

Time line
1 EU Ecection
1 General Election
2 Local Elections

The TUSC is an umbrella where you can stand unser the TUSC banner or another Banner like the Socialist Allience or Anti-Cuts and many others.

Thank-you, Southy. No doubt I can do a bit of googling and find out why the EU is a problem. My guess is that Europe will be telling us what to do if we join fully !

One more question, anybody. What is a Shoong, and why is it rude to southy ?

I would dearly love to give you my impression re your last question ................. But i fear you would tell me off again ... and i hate rejection

Why did you gather 10 comments and not make any relevant statement ?

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

I would never go to his website & I think that's wrong.
I think he was a bit stupid telling us what area he was contesting as he put out leaflets with his photo on so if he wanted to post incognito he blew it.
But I have & will try to debate with him .
Who is the a+s hole who went to his facebook page?

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

I would never go to his website & I think that's wrong.
I think he was a bit stupid telling us what area he was contesting as he put out leaflets with his photo on so if he wanted to post incognito he blew it.
But I have & will try to debate with him .
Who is the a+s hole who went to his facebook page?

A very good description of the poster who went to Southys Facebook page ....... You only need to look back a few postings on this topic to see who it was.
.
No surprise to me though

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

I have already explained what has gone wrong here for me, and accepted some of the responsibility for the consequences. Also, I said I would persevere, "weather the storm", and perhaps gradually gain some credibility.

Your suspicion of me is understandable, Freemantle, but I have to point out that I know very little about local politics, and my questions were honest. I am retired, and have no interest in, or need for Facebook and similar sites, as I have no use for "networking", or whatever it's called. And as for Twitter......well, if Wikipedia is a goldmine of interesting material, Twitter would be the opposite for me.

Before googling TUSC, etc., I wanted to find out what people here thought it was, for future reference. Remember, I have no justification for trusting anyone for some time yet, after the trouble I have witlessly brought on myself, but that does not mean that some posters will not show a little compassion.

You said that sometimes this site is like a "playground". I'd go a little further and say it can be like a playground with blindfolds.

Actually, the more I think about it, the closer I am getting to my original feeling of a few years ago : that is a waste of one's time. I came back for a bit of innocent matchplay, but thanks to my naivety and the antics of a few others, it took a sinister direction. By fighting back, I thought I could overcome the problem, but instead became part of it.

But hey ho, it's just an anonymous website with silly names. Just words.

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

I have already explained what has gone wrong here for me, and accepted some of the responsibility for the consequences. Also, I said I would persevere, "weather the storm", and perhaps gradually gain some credibility.

Your suspicion of me is understandable, Freemantle, but I have to point out that I know very little about local politics, and my questions were honest. I am retired, and have no interest in, or need for Facebook and similar sites, as I have no use for "networking", or whatever it's called. And as for Twitter......well, if Wikipedia is a goldmine of interesting material, Twitter would be the opposite for me.

Before googling TUSC, etc., I wanted to find out what people here thought it was, for future reference. Remember, I have no justification for trusting anyone for some time yet, after the trouble I have witlessly brought on myself, but that does not mean that some posters will not show a little compassion.

You said that sometimes this site is like a "playground". I'd go a little further and say it can be like a playground with blindfolds.

Actually, the more I think about it, the closer I am getting to my original feeling of a few years ago : that is a waste of one's time. I came back for a bit of innocent matchplay, but thanks to my naivety and the antics of a few others, it took a sinister direction. By fighting back, I thought I could overcome the problem, but instead became part of it.

But hey ho, it's just an anonymous website with silly names. Just words.

Billy you come out with some good arguments but then you ruin it by criticising people who are basically on your side.
I will look at a post & say if I think it's wrong I have had many people slagging mr off telling me I'm on the same level as Southy.
I'm not but I admire any one who believes & argues their point the way he does.
What was said on his website & if it was you.you were out of order.
I sometimes feel like printing my name but I'm hated by my family for my points of view & it would make things worse.
I feel Southy was crazy to tell so much about himself but Bigfella don't give up with the posts just pick your arguments & enjoy debating

loosehead wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

I have already explained what has gone wrong here for me, and accepted some of the responsibility for the consequences. Also, I said I would persevere, "weather the storm", and perhaps gradually gain some credibility.

Your suspicion of me is understandable, Freemantle, but I have to point out that I know very little about local politics, and my questions were honest. I am retired, and have no interest in, or need for Facebook and similar sites, as I have no use for "networking", or whatever it's called. And as for Twitter......well, if Wikipedia is a goldmine of interesting material, Twitter would be the opposite for me.

Before googling TUSC, etc., I wanted to find out what people here thought it was, for future reference. Remember, I have no justification for trusting anyone for some time yet, after the trouble I have witlessly brought on myself, but that does not mean that some posters will not show a little compassion.

You said that sometimes this site is like a "playground". I'd go a little further and say it can be like a playground with blindfolds.

Actually, the more I think about it, the closer I am getting to my original feeling of a few years ago : that is a waste of one's time. I came back for a bit of innocent matchplay, but thanks to my naivety and the antics of a few others, it took a sinister direction. By fighting back, I thought I could overcome the problem, but instead became part of it.

But hey ho, it's just an anonymous website with silly names. Just words.

Billy you come out with some good arguments but then you ruin it by criticising people who are basically on your side.
I will look at a post & say if I think it's wrong I have had many people slagging mr off telling me I'm on the same level as Southy.
I'm not but I admire any one who believes & argues their point the way he does.
What was said on his website & if it was you.you were out of order.
I sometimes feel like printing my name but I'm hated by my family for my points of view & it would make things worse.
I feel Southy was crazy to tell so much about himself but Bigfella don't give up with the posts just pick your arguments & enjoy debating

You obviously didnt see or avoided noting who the poster was that gave the link to Southys F/Book page

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

I have already explained what has gone wrong here for me, and accepted some of the responsibility for the consequences. Also, I said I would persevere, "weather the storm", and perhaps gradually gain some credibility.

Your suspicion of me is understandable, Freemantle, but I have to point out that I know very little about local politics, and my questions were honest. I am retired, and have no interest in, or need for Facebook and similar sites, as I have no use for "networking", or whatever it's called. And as for Twitter......well, if Wikipedia is a goldmine of interesting material, Twitter would be the opposite for me.

Before googling TUSC, etc., I wanted to find out what people here thought it was, for future reference. Remember, I have no justification for trusting anyone for some time yet, after the trouble I have witlessly brought on myself, but that does not mean that some posters will not show a little compassion.

You said that sometimes this site is like a "playground". I'd go a little further and say it can be like a playground with blindfolds.

Actually, the more I think about it, the closer I am getting to my original feeling of a few years ago : that is a waste of one's time. I came back for a bit of innocent matchplay, but thanks to my naivety and the antics of a few others, it took a sinister direction. By fighting back, I thought I could overcome the problem, but instead became part of it.

But hey ho, it's just an anonymous website with silly names. Just words.

Billy you come out with some good arguments but then you ruin it by criticising people who are basically on your side.
I will look at a post & say if I think it's wrong I have had many people slagging mr off telling me I'm on the same level as Southy.
I'm not but I admire any one who believes & argues their point the way he does.
What was said on his website & if it was you.you were out of order.
I sometimes feel like printing my name but I'm hated by my family for my points of view & it would make things worse.
I feel Southy was crazy to tell so much about himself but Bigfella don't give up with the posts just pick your arguments & enjoy debating

You obviously didnt see or avoided noting who the poster was that gave the link to Southys F/Book page

Honestly I didn't see it why who was it? Southy perhaps?

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.

I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...

It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for

I still think Denham would have spent 10 minutes jumping up and down cheering.... then thinking forward 3 years and thinking... "Oh sh*t"... he only squeezed in by a breath last time, after labour ruin the city he will be toast....

Errm dohhhhh John Denham is standing down at the next election, his predecessor is already being chosen! He retires undefeated sorry to disappoint you bless. If you live in Eastleigh why are you so bothered or are you trying to keep up with the boys in the Tory club in Southampton ??

Me too Lone Ranger, very funny - low voter turnout - well hello it could have meant an even worse turnout for the Tories rather than a better one lol.

'If' Uncle Roy had done his homework and taken proper legal advice about how he went about implementing cuts in pay he would have realised that the legal bill he would end up with, or rather us as Taxpayers would end up with, would completely outstrip any 'supposed' saving. I hope to god this city won't have to end up paying for this mistake as the legal action is against the council, not against individuals!

I wouldn't worry too much about the costs of Rambo's actions as there is a very good chance that he could be 'surcharged' for the total cost.

'In the United Kingdom a public servant, for example a local government officer (or councillor), who has .. caused loss to a public authority through misconduct may be surcharged to recover public money. The surcharge may be applied, after referral to a court by the Audit Commission.'

Now that would be a result.

Yes I believe it would Freethinker!! I suspect a lot of 'shredding' has gone on ;)

As for the other stuff, preceedng this - boys put your handbags away please and play nicely. x

Take your point, Freemantle.

How do you know they/we are boys ? And anyway, your comment was a bit sexist, and likely to provoke trouble. I just hope it doesn't.

Never been able to make any sense out of local politics. And reading all the informative stuff that has been appearing here before and after the election has left none the wiser, if not more confused. What is TUSC ? Who is southy ? These are honest questions.

Stop playing the victim Billy, it's not winning you over. It was tongue in cheek and not a serious comment! boys in schoolboys and knocking a few heads together. It gets like a playground on here at times, and cause trouble, LOL please!

btw, I think posting a link to Southy's facebook page (whoever did that, can't see for the long columns of squabbling) is out of order. Southy you need to make your settings private so no-one can see the photo. It really isn't fair to target someone in that way, WHOEVER they are. Why don't you reveal your own website ifyou don't mind doing it? no I didn't think so.

I have already explained what has gone wrong here for me, and accepted some of the responsibility for the consequences. Also, I said I would persevere, "weather the storm", and perhaps gradually gain some credibility.

Your suspicion of me is understandable, Freemantle, but I have to point out that I know very little about local politics, and my questions were honest. I am retired, and have no interest in, or need for Facebook and similar sites, as I have no use for "networking", or whatever it's called. And as for Twitter......well, if Wikipedia is a goldmine of interesting material, Twitter would be the opposite for me.

Before googling TUSC, etc., I wanted to find out what people here thought it was, for future reference. Remember, I have no justification for trusting anyone for some time yet, after the trouble I have witlessly brought on myself, but that does not mean that some posters will not show a little compassion.

You said that sometimes this site is like a "playground". I'd go a little further and say it can be like a playground with blindfolds.

Actually, the more I think about it, the closer I am getting to my original feeling of a few years ago : that is a waste of one's time. I came back for a bit of innocent matchplay, but thanks to my naivety and the antics of a few others, it took a sinister direction. By fighting back, I thought I could overcome the problem, but instead became part of it.

But hey ho, it's just an anonymous website with silly names. Just words.

Billy you come out with some good arguments but then you ruin it by criticising people who are basically on your side.
I will look at a post & say if I think it's wrong I have had many people slagging mr off telling me I'm on the same level as Southy.
I'm not but I admire any one who believes & argues their point the way he does.
What was said on his website & if it was you.you were out of order.
I sometimes feel like printing my name but I'm hated by my family for my points of view & it would make things worse.
I feel Southy was crazy to tell so much about himself but Bigfella don't give up with the posts just pick your arguments & enjoy debating

You obviously didnt see or avoided noting who the poster was that gave the link to Southys F/Book page

Honestly I didn't see it why who was it? Southy perhaps?

Found it! Shoong you really shouldn't have posted it.
billy just react to people on these posts.
Southy did you want people to contact your website?
I for one would like to stay anonymous & I think that's what the majority of posters want.
if people weren't trying to favour votes then maybe peoples names & web sites wouldn't be open to the public .
I hope the contact to southy's website wasn't offensive?