'Cruise wars' minister in Southampton after ruling in Liverpool's favour

Mike Penning in Southampton yesterday

Ship’s master Capt Julian Burgess, left, welcomes HRH The Princess Royal aboard Queen Elizabeth

First published in Southampton Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Shipping & Heritage Reporter

ON Tuesday he was delivering a body blow to Southampton’s cruise industry.

Fast forward 24 hours and shipping minister Mike Penning was in Southampton, on a luxury cruise ship, enjoying a free lunch with royalty.

It was Mr Penning who made the final decision to allow Liverpool to become a “turn-around” cruise ship port in the face of strong opposition from Southampton.

The minister was on the list of VIPs attending a gala lunch in one of the exclusive restaurants on board the Cunard ship Queen Elizabeth, in support of a maritime charity.

Stepping out of a champagne reception, attended by the Princess Royal, Mr Penning strongly defended his decision to grant Liverpool’s application for ships to be allowed to begin and end voyages on Merseyside.

“I had to make a decision which was in the best interests of UK plc and I believe that is what I did,” he told the Daily Echo.

“Whatever decision I reached, either Liverpool would consider me wrong or Southampton would be upset.”

The long running socalled Cruise Wars between north and south centred around the fact that Liverpool had received a cash hand-out from the Government and the European Union to build its present passenger terminal having pledged not host turn-around calls by cruise ships.

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Meanwhile Southampton built up its reputation as northern Europe’s centre for cruising purely as a result of private investment.

Southampton had demanded Liverpool be forced to repay the full public funding before this permission was granted so the two ports could compete on a “level playing field’’.

In making his decision, Mr Penning said a one-off payment of £8.8m, or £12.6m over 15 years would be enough for restrictions to be lifted. The Merseysiders had offered just £5.5m against the Government’s original £9.2m grant.

“Southampton is the country’s premier centre for cruising and it will continue to be so,’’ said Mr Penning. “I am absolutely confident the amount of public money Liverpool now has to pay back is correct.

A figure was arrived at by an independent financial assessor and I then added a further sum to that amount.

“As yet Liverpool have not informed me what they intend to do, and this a matter entirely up to them.’’ Mr Penning said he had worked closely with Southampton and dock operators Associated British Ports on a number of projects.

“I was pleased to help Southampton by putting pressure on the authorities to ensure dredging would be carried out to assist the expansion of the container terminal,’’ said Mr Penning.

Liverpool’s leaders have vowed to press ahead with its plans by the end of this month without approval of the EU, which provided £8.6m towards the construction of the original passenger terminal.

The Princess Royal was in Southampton in her role as patron of Sea Vision UK, a charity established in 2003 to promote maritime activities and to encourage young people to consider a career at sea.

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10:24am Thu 24 May 12

allsaintsnocurves says...

How was it a body blow to Southampton. Southampton was asking that the grant of tax payers money be paid back and out of the £9.2m grant £8.8m will have to be repaid. So effectively they have been let off £400k...but this is better than the £5m Liverpool were offering to pay back.

The Euro money is a different kettle of fish...that's their bag and i'm sure they'll want that back!
How was it a body blow to Southampton. Southampton was asking that the grant of tax payers money be paid back and out of the £9.2m grant £8.8m will have to be repaid. So effectively they have been let off £400k...but this is better than the £5m Liverpool were offering to pay back. The Euro money is a different kettle of fish...that's their bag and i'm sure they'll want that back! allsaintsnocurves
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10:41am Thu 24 May 12

Stillness says...

Latest news. Southampton will still be around in 30 years time. Relax and enjoy the day.
Latest news. Southampton will still be around in 30 years time. Relax and enjoy the day. Stillness
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10:43am Thu 24 May 12

Fieldbean says...

Well the Echo do need to print something to sell papers and here is a good story of how a Government minister is on a freebie lunch. It would of done well to itemize the menu so we could all indulge ourselves in the thought of Penning making a pig of himself.
Well the Echo do need to print something to sell papers and here is a good story of how a Government minister is on a freebie lunch. It would of done well to itemize the menu so we could all indulge ourselves in the thought of Penning making a pig of himself. Fieldbean
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11:20am Thu 24 May 12

Bluenose65 says...

Just don't know what all the fuss is about here they are paying it back the passenger who currently have to coach it to southampton from the norh will now get the ships in Liverpool
Just don't know what all the fuss is about here they are paying it back the passenger who currently have to coach it to southampton from the norh will now get the ships in Liverpool Bluenose65
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11:46am Thu 24 May 12

Martin Titaniconian says...

Not all cruises will be starting from Liverpool just the small ships.

Carnival cruises which own P&O, Princess Cruises, Cunard will be starting from Southampton also Cunard Transatlantic Cruises between Southampton & New York will always start from Southampton.

If you can aford a cruise can deffently aford the coach to Southampton load your luggage when you get on the coach and do not see it again until your cabin can Liverpool do this?
Not all cruises will be starting from Liverpool just the small ships. Carnival cruises which own P&O, Princess Cruises, Cunard will be starting from Southampton also Cunard Transatlantic Cruises between Southampton & New York will always start from Southampton. If you can aford a cruise can deffently aford the coach to Southampton load your luggage when you get on the coach and do not see it again until your cabin can Liverpool do this? Martin Titaniconian
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11:50am Thu 24 May 12

phil maccavity says...

Bluenose
Only paying back 50% of the grant, but this is a start.
Interesting that the interest on the £8.8m loan, over 15 years, is less than 3% when any normal business would be looking at a minimium of around 7-8%, so another helping hand from the Govt
Incidentally those passengers who want to go on the big ships which predominate in the market these days (ie with a capacity of more than 1200 passengers), will still have to travel to Dover or Southampton, at least for the next 3 years!!
Bluenose Only paying back 50% of the grant, but this is a start. Interesting that the interest on the £8.8m loan, over 15 years, is less than 3% when any normal business would be looking at a minimium of around 7-8%, so another helping hand from the Govt Incidentally those passengers who want to go on the big ships which predominate in the market these days (ie with a capacity of more than 1200 passengers), will still have to travel to Dover or Southampton, at least for the next 3 years!! phil maccavity
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12:21pm Thu 24 May 12

Big Mac says...

Looks like he's been living on 'free' lunches all his life.

The big ships are staying where they belong, down here on the south coast. Imagine there will be one or two booze cruises to keep 'em busy up north?!
Looks like he's been living on 'free' lunches all his life. The big ships are staying where they belong, down here on the south coast. Imagine there will be one or two booze cruises to keep 'em busy up north?! Big Mac
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2:23pm Thu 24 May 12

southy says...

The Liners will go where they want to go, and it be cost that will make them decide which port to use
The Liners will go where they want to go, and it be cost that will make them decide which port to use southy
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3:21pm Thu 24 May 12

OceansofRed says...

Actually Southy it will be passenger demand and revenue that decides where they go in conjunction with the cost of fuel.
Actually Southy it will be passenger demand and revenue that decides where they go in conjunction with the cost of fuel. OceansofRed
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4:10pm Thu 24 May 12

arizonan says...

Businesses thrive on one thing, giving the customer what they want.
Do you think the 20 million plus who live within one and a half hours of Liverpool, really want to travel to and from Dover, Harwich and Southampton?
There should be a survey taken to see the number of potential cruise passengers who do not take cruises because of the journey to, and more importantly from, these three cruise ports.
I am sure ALL the cruise operators are looking to see the passenger uptake on the cruises in 2012 and 2013 from Liverpool.
If the uptake is above the industry average, they will have to follow Ocean and Fred Olsen.
Businesses thrive on one thing, giving the customer what they want. Do you think the 20 million plus who live within one and a half hours of Liverpool, really want to travel to and from Dover, Harwich and Southampton? There should be a survey taken to see the number of potential cruise passengers who do not take cruises because of the journey to, and more importantly from, these three cruise ports. I am sure ALL the cruise operators are looking to see the passenger uptake on the cruises in 2012 and 2013 from Liverpool. If the uptake is above the industry average, they will have to follow Ocean and Fred Olsen. arizonan
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6:33pm Thu 24 May 12

Stillness says...

With the current economic climate I can't see that going on a cruse is going to be at the top of many peoples list of priorities. Why not split the punters in to two groups? Quality services from Southampton and booze cruses from Liverpool perhaps. At least that way the two ports would know where to invest their profits, assuming they make any. On a more serious note I doubt that the journey to Southampton will have stopped many people wishing to go on a floating prison, sorry, cruse from going. I can't see an increase in passengers just because of a new departure point. The two ports know what is available in revenue so I would imagine that Liverpool is confident that they can win a big enough slice of it to make the venture worth while. Let the port wars commence.
With the current economic climate I can't see that going on a cruse is going to be at the top of many peoples list of priorities. Why not split the punters in to two groups? Quality services from Southampton and booze cruses from Liverpool perhaps. At least that way the two ports would know where to invest their profits, assuming they make any. On a more serious note I doubt that the journey to Southampton will have stopped many people wishing to go on a floating prison, sorry, cruse from going. I can't see an increase in passengers just because of a new departure point. The two ports know what is available in revenue so I would imagine that Liverpool is confident that they can win a big enough slice of it to make the venture worth while. Let the port wars commence. Stillness
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7:51pm Thu 24 May 12

arizonan says...

The present economic situation will not last forever, and as it improves, hopefully it will coincide with a permanent cruise terminal with two berths in Liverpool.
BTW, the cruise industry is still expanding, with I think a 5% increase forecast for 2012.
The journey to, but especially from the present cruise ports in the UK is a pain, unless you live close to them.People who enjoy cruises, probably to avoid the hassle of present day flying, will make the journey to the, 'Outskirt' ports in the UK and back home.
But, if there is a more convenient point of departure and arrival, I have no doubt people will demand to be allowed to use it.
It will be an easy decision to make for other cruise operators, if Ocean and Fred Olsen have a couple of successful seasons.
The present economic situation will not last forever, and as it improves, hopefully it will coincide with a permanent cruise terminal with two berths in Liverpool. BTW, the cruise industry is still expanding, with I think a 5% increase forecast for 2012. The journey to, but especially from the present cruise ports in the UK is a pain, unless you live close to them.People who enjoy cruises, probably to avoid the hassle of present day flying, will make the journey to the, 'Outskirt' ports in the UK and back home. But, if there is a more convenient point of departure and arrival, I have no doubt people will demand to be allowed to use it. It will be an easy decision to make for other cruise operators, if Ocean and Fred Olsen have a couple of successful seasons. arizonan
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8:49pm Thu 24 May 12

phil maccavity says...

arizonan wrote:
The present economic situation will not last forever, and as it improves, hopefully it will coincide with a permanent cruise terminal with two berths in Liverpool.
BTW, the cruise industry is still expanding, with I think a 5% increase forecast for 2012.
The journey to, but especially from the present cruise ports in the UK is a pain, unless you live close to them.People who enjoy cruises, probably to avoid the hassle of present day flying, will make the journey to the, 'Outskirt' ports in the UK and back home.
But, if there is a more convenient point of departure and arrival, I have no doubt people will demand to be allowed to use it.
It will be an easy decision to make for other cruise operators, if Ocean and Fred Olsen have a couple of successful seasons.
Perhaps you will be right.
However the facts show that Liverpool's initial grant application for 'calling cruises' was based on an increasing these calls from 15 in 2007 to 50 in 2009 and with annual growth thereafter.
At a time when 'calling cruises' in the Uk rose by 15% in 2008, 7% in 2009, 26% in 2010 and 15% in 2011, Liverpool's call numbers remained static at around 15 calls (significantly less than Holyhead along the coast from Liverpool), despite all the wonderful attractions of the city!!
It got so bad that the City Council were adding naval vessels to the published number of ships calls to make the numbers seem reasonable.
If the City Council can make such a hash of their predictions (and it costs Liverpool rate payers £550k a year in losses to operate the terminal before the £8.8m repayment kicks in plus the annual cost of the marquee)
This seems all rather odd at a time when Liverpool City Council have had to significantly cut back their funding for essential social services but can find funds to support a loss making operation.
I am surprised this drain on tax payers money has not been questioned more seriously on Merseyside.
I am sure the local residents would have been more interested down here in similar circumstances
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: The present economic situation will not last forever, and as it improves, hopefully it will coincide with a permanent cruise terminal with two berths in Liverpool. BTW, the cruise industry is still expanding, with I think a 5% increase forecast for 2012. The journey to, but especially from the present cruise ports in the UK is a pain, unless you live close to them.People who enjoy cruises, probably to avoid the hassle of present day flying, will make the journey to the, 'Outskirt' ports in the UK and back home. But, if there is a more convenient point of departure and arrival, I have no doubt people will demand to be allowed to use it. It will be an easy decision to make for other cruise operators, if Ocean and Fred Olsen have a couple of successful seasons.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you will be right. However the facts show that Liverpool's initial grant application for 'calling cruises' was based on an increasing these calls from 15 in 2007 to 50 in 2009 and with annual growth thereafter. At a time when 'calling cruises' in the Uk rose by 15% in 2008, 7% in 2009, 26% in 2010 and 15% in 2011, Liverpool's call numbers remained static at around 15 calls (significantly less than Holyhead along the coast from Liverpool), despite all the wonderful attractions of the city!! It got so bad that the City Council were adding naval vessels to the published number of ships calls to make the numbers seem reasonable. If the City Council can make such a hash of their predictions (and it costs Liverpool rate payers £550k a year in losses to operate the terminal before the £8.8m repayment kicks in plus the annual cost of the marquee) This seems all rather odd at a time when Liverpool City Council have had to significantly cut back their funding for essential social services but can find funds to support a loss making operation. I am surprised this drain on tax payers money has not been questioned more seriously on Merseyside. I am sure the local residents would have been more interested down here in similar circumstances phil maccavity
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9:18pm Thu 24 May 12

loosehead says...

That's twice Fred Olsen have been mentioned?
Didn't they leave Liverpool a little while ago?
Many people in the North go on a holiday they look up places of interest & base their holidays on that information.
Sailing from Southampton what has the City & surrounding area got to offer?
As I've said to another post we have many things Historical or beech or Sailing regatta's,outdoor Classical concert & much more dependant sunny days than Northern Ports.
To get a coach or drive down can be a joy taking in the countryside.
then staying in various hotels & either seeing the city sites or going to stonehenge or Salisbury Cathedral Or Winchester or Romsey or even going to Historic Naval Dockland Portsmouth or when it's 27-28% as it is today a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.
Sail from Liverpool & see the sights you can see any day doesn't seem to have the same appeal to many cruise passengers or do you think it does?
That's twice Fred Olsen have been mentioned? Didn't they leave Liverpool a little while ago? Many people in the North go on a holiday they look up places of interest & base their holidays on that information. Sailing from Southampton what has the City & surrounding area got to offer? As I've said to another post we have many things Historical or beech or Sailing regatta's,outdoor Classical concert & much more dependant sunny days than Northern Ports. To get a coach or drive down can be a joy taking in the countryside. then staying in various hotels & either seeing the city sites or going to stonehenge or Salisbury Cathedral Or Winchester or Romsey or even going to Historic Naval Dockland Portsmouth or when it's 27-28% as it is today a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. Sail from Liverpool & see the sights you can see any day doesn't seem to have the same appeal to many cruise passengers or do you think it does? loosehead
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9:44pm Thu 24 May 12

Tom Liverpool says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Bluenose
Only paying back 50% of the grant, but this is a start.
Interesting that the interest on the £8.8m loan, over 15 years, is less than 3% when any normal business would be looking at a minimium of around 7-8%, so another helping hand from the Govt
Incidentally those passengers who want to go on the big ships which predominate in the market these days (ie with a capacity of more than 1200 passengers), will still have to travel to Dover or Southampton, at least for the next 3 years!!
The current berth in Liverpool is capable of handling liners with 2500 passenger capacity, not 1200 as you say. please be accurate. It also handles 3200 passenger liners on day visits, so the 2500 must be the capacity of the loading capability not the berth.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Bluenose Only paying back 50% of the grant, but this is a start. Interesting that the interest on the £8.8m loan, over 15 years, is less than 3% when any normal business would be looking at a minimium of around 7-8%, so another helping hand from the Govt Incidentally those passengers who want to go on the big ships which predominate in the market these days (ie with a capacity of more than 1200 passengers), will still have to travel to Dover or Southampton, at least for the next 3 years!![/p][/quote]The current berth in Liverpool is capable of handling liners with 2500 passenger capacity, not 1200 as you say. please be accurate. It also handles 3200 passenger liners on day visits, so the 2500 must be the capacity of the loading capability not the berth. Tom Liverpool
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10:00pm Thu 24 May 12

arizonan says...

Fred Olsen did withdraw its services from Liverpool on safety grounds after trying to use a larger ship in the Langton dock terminal.
If you think driving, or taking a coach from the North West to drive to the outskirt ports is enjoyable, you obviously have
not done this journey recently.
Do you think the 20 million plus in the Liverpool catchment area see the sights everyday???
Obviously not.
Fred Olsen did withdraw its services from Liverpool on safety grounds after trying to use a larger ship in the Langton dock terminal. If you think driving, or taking a coach from the North West to drive to the outskirt ports is enjoyable, you obviously have not done this journey recently. Do you think the 20 million plus in the Liverpool catchment area see the sights everyday??? Obviously not. arizonan
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11:02pm Thu 24 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District Proud from LIVERPOOL
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12:04am Fri 25 May 12

arizonan says...

The 1200 capacity is the capacity for the temporary cruise terminal.
Liverpool has come very high in surveys of cruise passengers on day cruises.
Add to that, the three recent surveys by tourist companies/organisati
ons, in which Liverpool was voted the best in the country.This makes Liverpool the the number one stopping off point on a round Britain cruise.So why not call there?
Could it be that they wish to offer a stop in the Republic of Ireland, i.e. Dublin and Wales, Holyhead.
Liverpool beats both places, so they are offering their customers an inferior product. They can say they have visited each country in the British Isles, but miss out the best in the bunch.
Obviously making stops in the Republic of Ireland and Wales does not apply to turnaround cruises.
As the voters of France and Greece have indicated recently, you cannot live by austerity alone.
It is also up to the voters of Liverpool to throw out the newly elected Mayor of Liverpool, next time around, if his policy of reinstating cruises fails.
The 1200 capacity is the capacity for the temporary cruise terminal. Liverpool has come very high in surveys of cruise passengers on day cruises. Add to that, the three recent surveys by tourist companies/organisati ons, in which Liverpool was voted the best in the country.This makes Liverpool the the number one stopping off point on a round Britain cruise.So why not call there? Could it be that they wish to offer a stop in the Republic of Ireland, i.e. Dublin and Wales, Holyhead. Liverpool beats both places, so they are offering their customers an inferior product. They can say they have visited each country in the British Isles, but miss out the best in the bunch. Obviously making stops in the Republic of Ireland and Wales does not apply to turnaround cruises. As the voters of France and Greece have indicated recently, you cannot live by austerity alone. It is also up to the voters of Liverpool to throw out the newly elected Mayor of Liverpool, next time around, if his policy of reinstating cruises fails. arizonan
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12:07am Fri 25 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

Martin Titaniconian says...
11:46am Thu 24 May 12

Not all cruises will be starting from Liverpool just the small ships.

Carnival cruises which own P&O, Princess Cruises, Cunard will be starting from Southampton also Cunard Transatlantic Cruises between Southampton & New York will always start from Southampton.

What a smug, arrogant remark to come out with !!!!!

For your information , Cunard and other large cruise ship operators have already said that they are interested in starting and ending cruises in Liverpool.
The problem for these companies has been that the entrance to Langton Dock is very restricted and on a health and safety point has stopped them from using it.
Now that they have the new river terminal and a further one to be built by Peel Ports, the problem is solved.

I remember the Empress of Canada, the Empress of England and other cruise ships berthing in the river in the early 1960's.
Cruising went through a steep decline at this time ( air travel etc.) and the old river terminal was past its best and it was not thought economic to invest at that time in a replacement, and the companies decided to put all their ships in one port
( Southampton ).

Liverpool is the 4th most visited city in the UK, has 7 internationally recognised Museums, 2 magnificent Cathedrals including the largest in the UK.
It has more listed buildings than anywhere outside of London and more grand architecture than Bath. It is one of the few places in the UK to have " World Heritage Status ".
Is acclaimed as the music capital of Britain
It also has 2 British Open Golf Courses " Royal Liverpool " and " Royal Birkdale " and is situated on an area of coastline known as the UK Golf Coast.

I would suggest that by next year you will begin to realise that Liverpool is a place that people want to start and end their cruises at.
Martin Titaniconian says... 11:46am Thu 24 May 12 Not all cruises will be starting from Liverpool just the small ships. Carnival cruises which own P&O, Princess Cruises, Cunard will be starting from Southampton also Cunard Transatlantic Cruises between Southampton & New York will always start from Southampton. What a smug, arrogant remark to come out with !!!!! For your information , Cunard and other large cruise ship operators have already said that they are interested in starting and ending cruises in Liverpool. The problem for these companies has been that the entrance to Langton Dock is very restricted and on a health and safety point has stopped them from using it. Now that they have the new river terminal and a further one to be built by Peel Ports, the problem is solved. I remember the Empress of Canada, the Empress of England and other cruise ships berthing in the river in the early 1960's. Cruising went through a steep decline at this time ( air travel etc.) and the old river terminal was past its best and it was not thought economic to invest at that time in a replacement, and the companies decided to put all their ships in one port ( Southampton ). Liverpool is the 4th most visited city in the UK, has 7 internationally recognised Museums, 2 magnificent Cathedrals including the largest in the UK. It has more listed buildings than anywhere outside of London and more grand architecture than Bath. It is one of the few places in the UK to have " World Heritage Status ". Is acclaimed as the music capital of Britain It also has 2 British Open Golf Courses " Royal Liverpool " and " Royal Birkdale " and is situated on an area of coastline known as the UK Golf Coast. I would suggest that by next year you will begin to realise that Liverpool is a place that people want to start and end their cruises at. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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6:55am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
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6:55am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:59am Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's.
These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all.

What a stupid statement to come out with .

I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District
Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying?
You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like.
How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned?
How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou
th or the Isle of Wight?
Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low?
Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise?
something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: a quick trip down to Bournemouths beach's. These are things most people from up North can't usually reach but plan your cruise right & you can do it all. What a stupid statement to come out with . I live 1/2 a mile from the sandy beaches of the wirral penninsula which is a 10 minute drive from the Pier Head in Liverpool. Sandy Crosby beach which is only 8 miles north of Liverpool city centre has Anthoney Gormleys 100 statue installation " Another Place ". In the time you can get to Bournemouth I can be in Snowdonia or the beautiful Lake District[/p][/quote]Stupid statement? then you go on to actually say what I was saying? You live near the Wirral, You live near the Lake District, You live near the Peak district you also live near to Snowdonia National park & can drive to it any time you feel like. How far away do you live from the attractions I mentioned? How often on a weekend are you going to drive down to Stonehenge,Bournemou th or the Isle of Wight? Let's get real here we have Arizonan going on about what Liverpool has to offer so why was the cruise visits so low? Why if you are already visiting those attractions would you book a week in Liverpool then go on a cruise? something else you all seem to be forgetting What about the jobs of the coach drivers & how is the drop in revenue to those coach companies who do regular runs from the North to the South? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:06am Fri 25 May 12

phil maccavity says...

Tom Liverpool wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Bluenose
Only paying back 50% of the grant, but this is a start.
Interesting that the interest on the £8.8m loan, over 15 years, is less than 3% when any normal business would be looking at a minimium of around 7-8%, so another helping hand from the Govt
Incidentally those passengers who want to go on the big ships which predominate in the market these days (ie with a capacity of more than 1200 passengers), will still have to travel to Dover or Southampton, at least for the next 3 years!!
The current berth in Liverpool is capable of handling liners with 2500 passenger capacity, not 1200 as you say. please be accurate. It also handles 3200 passenger liners on day visits, so the 2500 must be the capacity of the loading capability not the berth.
Tom
Whilst the new Princes Dock, waterfront terminal, can indeed handle most of the world's largest ships for 'calling'/'stop over' cruises (as per the original grant fund application) it does not have the shoreside facilities to handle ships with a passenger capacity of over 1,200 for turnrounds!!. This is the limit licenced by the temporary marquee recently erected on the quayside.
So for the next three years at least only small cruise ships can turnround in Liverpool
[quote][p][bold]Tom Liverpool[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Bluenose Only paying back 50% of the grant, but this is a start. Interesting that the interest on the £8.8m loan, over 15 years, is less than 3% when any normal business would be looking at a minimium of around 7-8%, so another helping hand from the Govt Incidentally those passengers who want to go on the big ships which predominate in the market these days (ie with a capacity of more than 1200 passengers), will still have to travel to Dover or Southampton, at least for the next 3 years!![/p][/quote]The current berth in Liverpool is capable of handling liners with 2500 passenger capacity, not 1200 as you say. please be accurate. It also handles 3200 passenger liners on day visits, so the 2500 must be the capacity of the loading capability not the berth.[/p][/quote]Tom Whilst the new Princes Dock, waterfront terminal, can indeed handle most of the world's largest ships for 'calling'/'stop over' cruises (as per the original grant fund application) it does not have the shoreside facilities to handle ships with a passenger capacity of over 1,200 for turnrounds!!. This is the limit licenced by the temporary marquee recently erected on the quayside. So for the next three years at least only small cruise ships can turnround in Liverpool phil maccavity
  • Score: 0

9:16am Fri 25 May 12

phil maccavity says...

arizonan wrote:
The 1200 capacity is the capacity for the temporary cruise terminal.
Liverpool has come very high in surveys of cruise passengers on day cruises.
Add to that, the three recent surveys by tourist companies/organisati

ons, in which Liverpool was voted the best in the country.This makes Liverpool the the number one stopping off point on a round Britain cruise.So why not call there?
Could it be that they wish to offer a stop in the Republic of Ireland, i.e. Dublin and Wales, Holyhead.
Liverpool beats both places, so they are offering their customers an inferior product. They can say they have visited each country in the British Isles, but miss out the best in the bunch.
Obviously making stops in the Republic of Ireland and Wales does not apply to turnaround cruises.
As the voters of France and Greece have indicated recently, you cannot live by austerity alone.
It is also up to the voters of Liverpool to throw out the newly elected Mayor of Liverpool, next time around, if his policy of reinstating cruises fails.
I dont disagree with anything you say here.
So with everything favouring Liverpool as a port of call destination and having the new, shiny, facility in front of the Three Graces, why has Liverpool been unable to increase the numbers of calling cruises as they confidently confirmed they would do as part of the original EU/UK Govt Grant submission?
In contrast when Dublin was European Capital of Culture, calling cruise almost doubled!!
I wonder if this may have anything to do with the fact that the cost to take a cruise ship into the Mersey is very high due to the River Dues charged by Peel Ports, a commercial enterprise who must be very pleased that the local tax payer is supporting their business model, the majority of which been focussed on Salford Quays and surrounding parts of Manchester.
Credit to Joe Andersen for running a populist campaign. However he also supported the failed Liverpool Boat Show which cost the tax payer a mint in lost public money!!
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: The 1200 capacity is the capacity for the temporary cruise terminal. Liverpool has come very high in surveys of cruise passengers on day cruises. Add to that, the three recent surveys by tourist companies/organisati ons, in which Liverpool was voted the best in the country.This makes Liverpool the the number one stopping off point on a round Britain cruise.So why not call there? Could it be that they wish to offer a stop in the Republic of Ireland, i.e. Dublin and Wales, Holyhead. Liverpool beats both places, so they are offering their customers an inferior product. They can say they have visited each country in the British Isles, but miss out the best in the bunch. Obviously making stops in the Republic of Ireland and Wales does not apply to turnaround cruises. As the voters of France and Greece have indicated recently, you cannot live by austerity alone. It is also up to the voters of Liverpool to throw out the newly elected Mayor of Liverpool, next time around, if his policy of reinstating cruises fails.[/p][/quote]I dont disagree with anything you say here. So with everything favouring Liverpool as a port of call destination and having the new, shiny, facility in front of the Three Graces, why has Liverpool been unable to increase the numbers of calling cruises as they confidently confirmed they would do as part of the original EU/UK Govt Grant submission? In contrast when Dublin was European Capital of Culture, calling cruise almost doubled!! I wonder if this may have anything to do with the fact that the cost to take a cruise ship into the Mersey is very high due to the River Dues charged by Peel Ports, a commercial enterprise who must be very pleased that the local tax payer is supporting their business model, the majority of which been focussed on Salford Quays and surrounding parts of Manchester. Credit to Joe Andersen for running a populist campaign. However he also supported the failed Liverpool Boat Show which cost the tax payer a mint in lost public money!! phil maccavity
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12:25pm Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Sorry for the repeat posts it wasn't any of my doing.
I sent an e-mail to Councillor Williams showing posts about the lack of information about what Southampton has to offer asking him to get a magazine showing it all & getting the cruise ships to issue one to all passengers before they start there cruises(sent with tickets) As of this moment no reply
Sorry for the repeat posts it wasn't any of my doing. I sent an e-mail to Councillor Williams showing posts about the lack of information about what Southampton has to offer asking him to get a magazine showing it all & getting the cruise ships to issue one to all passengers before they start there cruises(sent with tickets) As of this moment no reply loosehead
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2:48pm Fri 25 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

loosehead says...
12:25pm Fri 25 May 12
Sorry for the repeat posts it wasn't any of my doing.
I sent an e-mail to Councillor Williams showing posts about the lack of information about what Southampton has to offer asking him to get a magazine showing it all & getting the cruise ships to issue one to all passengers before they start there cruises(sent with tickets) As of this moment no reply.

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May I also suggest that Southampton needs a decent website similar to " visit liverpool.com "
loosehead says... 12:25pm Fri 25 May 12 Sorry for the repeat posts it wasn't any of my doing. I sent an e-mail to Councillor Williams showing posts about the lack of information about what Southampton has to offer asking him to get a magazine showing it all & getting the cruise ships to issue one to all passengers before they start there cruises(sent with tickets) As of this moment no reply. ***************** May I also suggest that Southampton needs a decent website similar to " visit liverpool.com " Proud from LIVERPOOL
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4:32pm Fri 25 May 12

arizonan says...

I am not the one going on about Liverpool. All the surveys were carried out by organisations outside of Liverpool. Conde Nest, Tripadvisor, Princess Cruises and a Cruise web site. All had Liverpool top, or near the top in the case of Princess Cruises.
If I wanted to go on about Liverpool, I could have mentioned the 880,000 visitors to the Giants weekend recently, the most successful Titanic event in the country by far.When would Southampton attract those kind of numbers?.
With regard to day cruises, if the cruise is billed as a British Isles cruise, after Holyhead, the cruise has to get to N.Ireland, Scotland and all the way down the east side of the UK back to the outskirt ports.
Liverpool should now push for these around Britain cruises to start in Liverpool, a much better sell than starting from Southampton.But if a city is an undoubted tourist star, as all the figures show, you have to ask the cruise companies themselves, why they choose not to visit.After all, they are in the tourist business.
I am not the one going on about Liverpool. All the surveys were carried out by organisations outside of Liverpool. Conde Nest, Tripadvisor, Princess Cruises and a Cruise web site. All had Liverpool top, or near the top in the case of Princess Cruises. If I wanted to go on about Liverpool, I could have mentioned the 880,000 visitors to the Giants weekend recently, the most successful Titanic event in the country by far.When would Southampton attract those kind of numbers?. With regard to day cruises, if the cruise is billed as a British Isles cruise, after Holyhead, the cruise has to get to N.Ireland, Scotland and all the way down the east side of the UK back to the outskirt ports. Liverpool should now push for these around Britain cruises to start in Liverpool, a much better sell than starting from Southampton.But if a city is an undoubted tourist star, as all the figures show, you have to ask the cruise companies themselves, why they choose not to visit.After all, they are in the tourist business. arizonan
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9:07pm Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

arizonan wrote:
I am not the one going on about Liverpool. All the surveys were carried out by organisations outside of Liverpool. Conde Nest, Tripadvisor, Princess Cruises and a Cruise web site. All had Liverpool top, or near the top in the case of Princess Cruises.
If I wanted to go on about Liverpool, I could have mentioned the 880,000 visitors to the Giants weekend recently, the most successful Titanic event in the country by far.When would Southampton attract those kind of numbers?.
With regard to day cruises, if the cruise is billed as a British Isles cruise, after Holyhead, the cruise has to get to N.Ireland, Scotland and all the way down the east side of the UK back to the outskirt ports.
Liverpool should now push for these around Britain cruises to start in Liverpool, a much better sell than starting from Southampton.But if a city is an undoubted tourist star, as all the figures show, you have to ask the cruise companies themselves, why they choose not to visit.After all, they are in the tourist business.
So why Exactly did you have a Titanic parade?
Surely the only connection you had was Liverpool on the ship as You never built it & it never started it's cruise from Liverpool?
As with most Polls/surveys it all depends on who you ask or if people can be bothered to fill them in on what the results are.
half way through Browns term as Priminister the Tories were running away with it in the end they didn't so sorry as the saying goes the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
you have had visit status with a new jetty for the ships yet haven't increased your numbers we have built up our docks taken away our water front for dock use built brand new terminals all with our own money (private) & the cruise industry has boomed down here you see that so decide you want it & lie & cheat to get it.
joe Anderson still hasn't accepted Mike Pennings terms so why are you going ahead with turnarounds?
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: I am not the one going on about Liverpool. All the surveys were carried out by organisations outside of Liverpool. Conde Nest, Tripadvisor, Princess Cruises and a Cruise web site. All had Liverpool top, or near the top in the case of Princess Cruises. If I wanted to go on about Liverpool, I could have mentioned the 880,000 visitors to the Giants weekend recently, the most successful Titanic event in the country by far.When would Southampton attract those kind of numbers?. With regard to day cruises, if the cruise is billed as a British Isles cruise, after Holyhead, the cruise has to get to N.Ireland, Scotland and all the way down the east side of the UK back to the outskirt ports. Liverpool should now push for these around Britain cruises to start in Liverpool, a much better sell than starting from Southampton.But if a city is an undoubted tourist star, as all the figures show, you have to ask the cruise companies themselves, why they choose not to visit.After all, they are in the tourist business.[/p][/quote]So why Exactly did you have a Titanic parade? Surely the only connection you had was Liverpool on the ship as You never built it & it never started it's cruise from Liverpool? As with most Polls/surveys it all depends on who you ask or if people can be bothered to fill them in on what the results are. half way through Browns term as Priminister the Tories were running away with it in the end they didn't so sorry as the saying goes the proof of the pudding is in the eating. you have had visit status with a new jetty for the ships yet haven't increased your numbers we have built up our docks taken away our water front for dock use built brand new terminals all with our own money (private) & the cruise industry has boomed down here you see that so decide you want it & lie & cheat to get it. joe Anderson still hasn't accepted Mike Pennings terms so why are you going ahead with turnarounds? loosehead
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5:24am Sat 26 May 12

arizonan says...

The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with.
Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain figures are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact.
There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is.
You then ask about the Titanic.
To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit
anica.org/titanic-co
nnections-with-liver
pool-html
The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with. Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain figures are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact. There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is. You then ask about the Titanic. To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit anica.org/titanic-co nnections-with-liver pool-html arizonan
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5:29am Sat 26 May 12

arizonan says...

The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with.
Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain figures are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact.
There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is.
You then ask about the Titanic.
To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit
anica.org/titanic-co
nnections-with-liver
pool-html
The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with. Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain figures are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact. There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is. You then ask about the Titanic. To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit anica.org/titanic-co nnections-with-liver pool-html arizonan
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5:35am Sat 26 May 12

arizonan says...

The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with.
Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact.
There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is.
You then ask about the Titanic.
To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit
anica.org/titanic-co
nnections-with-liver
pool-html
The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with. Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact. There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is. You then ask about the Titanic. To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit anica.org/titanic-co nnections-with-liver pool-html arizonan
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6:43am Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

arizonan wrote:
The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with.
Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact.
There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is.
You then ask about the Titanic.
To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit

anica.org/titanic-co

nnections-with-liver

pool-html
So your having problems with this site as well then?
In an article which interviewed Mike Penning he stated since he had come to a decision he'd had no reply accepting or refusing to pay the amount but this was only an interview?
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: The elected Mayor of Liverpool has accepted the terms and has stated that the city will pay the lump sum amount. He accepted the terms months ago when he stated that the city would pay the amount the independent assessor came up with. Are you saying that the facts and figures of Visit Britain are incorrect? Liverpool is in the top five in the UK when it comes to attracting tourists, fact. There is no reason to doubt the veracity of all the other surveys which placed Liverpool top of polls.You may not like the outcome, but there it is. You then ask about the Titanic. To educate yourself, can I suggest, www.encyclopedia-tit anica.org/titanic-co nnections-with-liver pool-html[/p][/quote]So your having problems with this site as well then? In an article which interviewed Mike Penning he stated since he had come to a decision he'd had no reply accepting or refusing to pay the amount but this was only an interview? loosehead
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6:50am Sat 26 May 12

arizonan says...

The Mayor has stated the city will pay the lump sum amount.
The Mayor has stated the city will pay the lump sum amount. arizonan
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1:43pm Sat 26 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

The following headline carried on the " Liverpool Daily Post " website may be of interest to all those in Southampton who think that Liverpool's cruise terminal will not affect them.

" New Liverpool River Mersey Cruise Terminal luring cruise lines’ interest "

LEADING cruise lines are considering Liverpool for new sailings now restrictions on turnaround voyages are lifted at the River Mersey Pier Head terminal.
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Previously cruise line interest in Liverpool was cut short once operators saw the existing basic facilities at Langton Dock, Bootle.

Companies always maintained they would seriously consider basing cruise liners here if they could start and end sailings at the Pier Head.

The breakthrough occurs on Tuesday when the Countess of Derby gives the official send-off to m/v Ocean Countess from the Cruise Terminal.

This will be the city’s first turnaround trip in 40 years and follows the success of the Liverpool Post’s Get on Board campaign.

Famous operators such as Saga Cruises, Thomson Cruises and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines in the past expressed an interest in Liverpool as a turnaround port.

Saga Cruises, which operates Saga Ruby and Saga Sapphire, tested cruises from Liverpool four years ago.

Like Fred Olsen, Saga Cruises regarded negotiating Langton Lock as too tricky.

Paul Green, of Saga Cruises, said: “Lifting the restrictions on turnarounds from Liverpool Cruise Terminal is very welcome news. The North West is traditionally a very strong cruising area and that’s of great commercial interest to Saga and other companies.
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“Cruise programmes are put together a couple of years in advance, so it will be a few seasons before Liverpool sees the benefit, but it will come.”

Cruising from Liverpool has become much easier with permission to base liners at the Cruise Terminal, said Fred Olsen Cruise Lines, which offers 10 cruises on its liner Boudicca in 2013.

Nathan Philpot, Fred Olsen sales and marketing director, said: “Having been a supporter of the Merseyside region for many years, we welcome turnaround status for Pier Head in Liverpool. This is a great opportunity for Liverpool to boost its status as a major departure port.

“It also benefitsŠFred Olsen and other cruise operators, as it will improve the accessibility by eliminating locks and increasing the tidal window.”

Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “I fought hard for two years to win turnaround status for Liverpool. I am delighted the Government has seen sense, and our campaign’s been successful.

“The Liverpool Post played an important part in the campaign and I want to thank them for their support throughout.”

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Liverpool is a first class destination and a fitting place to embark on a cruise.
As a world class city it has plenty to offer and believe me it is fed up of being held back by a biased media and people who have never set foot in this beautiful part of the UK but still pull it down.
The following headline carried on the " Liverpool Daily Post " website may be of interest to all those in Southampton who think that Liverpool's cruise terminal will not affect them. " New Liverpool River Mersey Cruise Terminal luring cruise lines’ interest " LEADING cruise lines are considering Liverpool for new sailings now restrictions on turnaround voyages are lifted at the River Mersey Pier Head terminal. Play Free Online Bingo at Mecca Bingo.com Previously cruise line interest in Liverpool was cut short once operators saw the existing basic facilities at Langton Dock, Bootle. Companies always maintained they would seriously consider basing cruise liners here if they could start and end sailings at the Pier Head. The breakthrough occurs on Tuesday when the Countess of Derby gives the official send-off to m/v Ocean Countess from the Cruise Terminal. This will be the city’s first turnaround trip in 40 years and follows the success of the Liverpool Post’s Get on Board campaign. Famous operators such as Saga Cruises, Thomson Cruises and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines in the past expressed an interest in Liverpool as a turnaround port. Saga Cruises, which operates Saga Ruby and Saga Sapphire, tested cruises from Liverpool four years ago. Like Fred Olsen, Saga Cruises regarded negotiating Langton Lock as too tricky. Paul Green, of Saga Cruises, said: “Lifting the restrictions on turnarounds from Liverpool Cruise Terminal is very welcome news. The North West is traditionally a very strong cruising area and that’s of great commercial interest to Saga and other companies. Chat, Make Friends & Play Bingo at Mecca “Cruise programmes are put together a couple of years in advance, so it will be a few seasons before Liverpool sees the benefit, but it will come.” Cruising from Liverpool has become much easier with permission to base liners at the Cruise Terminal, said Fred Olsen Cruise Lines, which offers 10 cruises on its liner Boudicca in 2013. Nathan Philpot, Fred Olsen sales and marketing director, said: “Having been a supporter of the Merseyside region for many years, we welcome turnaround status for Pier Head in Liverpool. This is a great opportunity for Liverpool to boost its status as a major departure port. “It also benefitsŠFred Olsen and other cruise operators, as it will improve the accessibility by eliminating locks and increasing the tidal window.” Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “I fought hard for two years to win turnaround status for Liverpool. I am delighted the Government has seen sense, and our campaign’s been successful. “The Liverpool Post played an important part in the campaign and I want to thank them for their support throughout.” ----------------- Liverpool is a first class destination and a fitting place to embark on a cruise. As a world class city it has plenty to offer and believe me it is fed up of being held back by a biased media and people who have never set foot in this beautiful part of the UK but still pull it down. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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1:57pm Sat 26 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

The following headline carried on the " Liverpool Daily Post " website may be of interest to all those in Southampton who think that Liverpool's cruise terminal will not affect them.

" New Liverpool River Mersey Cruise Terminal luring cruise lines’ interest "

LEADING cruise lines are considering Liverpool for new sailings now restrictions on turnaround voyages are lifted at the River Mersey Pier Head terminal.

Previously cruise line interest in Liverpool was cut short once operators saw the existing basic facilities at Langton Dock, Bootle.

Companies always maintained they would seriously consider basing cruise liners here if they could start and end sailings at the Pier Head.

The breakthrough occurs on Tuesday when the Countess of Derby gives the official send-off to m/v Ocean Countess from the Cruise Terminal.

This will be the city’s first turnaround trip in 40 years and follows the success of the Liverpool Post’s Get on Board campaign.

Famous operators such as Saga Cruises, Thomson Cruises and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines in the past expressed an interest in Liverpool as a turnaround port.

Saga Cruises, which operates Saga Ruby and Saga Sapphire, tested cruises from Liverpool four years ago.

Like Fred Olsen, Saga Cruises regarded negotiating Langton Lock as too tricky.

Paul Green, of Saga Cruises, said: “Lifting the restrictions on turnarounds from Liverpool Cruise Terminal is very welcome news. The North West is traditionally a very strong cruising area and that’s of great commercial interest to Saga and other companies.

“Cruise programmes are put together a couple of years in advance, so it will be a few seasons before Liverpool sees the benefit, but it will come.”

Cruising from Liverpool has become much easier with permission to base liners at the Cruise Terminal, said Fred Olsen Cruise Lines, which offers 10 cruises on its liner Boudicca in 2013.

Nathan Philpot, Fred Olsen sales and marketing director, said: “Having been a supporter of the Merseyside region for many years, we welcome turnaround status for Pier Head in Liverpool. This is a great opportunity for Liverpool to boost its status as a major departure port.

“It also benefitsŠFred Olsen and other cruise operators, as it will improve the accessibility by eliminating locks and increasing the tidal window.”

Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “I fought hard for two years to win turnaround status for Liverpool. I am delighted the Government has seen sense, and our campaign’s been successful.

“The Liverpool Post played an important part in the campaign and I want to thank them for their support throughout.”

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Liverpool is a first class destination and a fitting place to embark on a cruise.
As a world class city it has plenty to offer and believe me it is fed up of being held back by a biased media and people who have never set foot in this beautiful part of the UK but still pull it down.

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Oops Sorry about not removing the web ads before.
The following headline carried on the " Liverpool Daily Post " website may be of interest to all those in Southampton who think that Liverpool's cruise terminal will not affect them. " New Liverpool River Mersey Cruise Terminal luring cruise lines’ interest " LEADING cruise lines are considering Liverpool for new sailings now restrictions on turnaround voyages are lifted at the River Mersey Pier Head terminal. Previously cruise line interest in Liverpool was cut short once operators saw the existing basic facilities at Langton Dock, Bootle. Companies always maintained they would seriously consider basing cruise liners here if they could start and end sailings at the Pier Head. The breakthrough occurs on Tuesday when the Countess of Derby gives the official send-off to m/v Ocean Countess from the Cruise Terminal. This will be the city’s first turnaround trip in 40 years and follows the success of the Liverpool Post’s Get on Board campaign. Famous operators such as Saga Cruises, Thomson Cruises and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines in the past expressed an interest in Liverpool as a turnaround port. Saga Cruises, which operates Saga Ruby and Saga Sapphire, tested cruises from Liverpool four years ago. Like Fred Olsen, Saga Cruises regarded negotiating Langton Lock as too tricky. Paul Green, of Saga Cruises, said: “Lifting the restrictions on turnarounds from Liverpool Cruise Terminal is very welcome news. The North West is traditionally a very strong cruising area and that’s of great commercial interest to Saga and other companies. “Cruise programmes are put together a couple of years in advance, so it will be a few seasons before Liverpool sees the benefit, but it will come.” Cruising from Liverpool has become much easier with permission to base liners at the Cruise Terminal, said Fred Olsen Cruise Lines, which offers 10 cruises on its liner Boudicca in 2013. Nathan Philpot, Fred Olsen sales and marketing director, said: “Having been a supporter of the Merseyside region for many years, we welcome turnaround status for Pier Head in Liverpool. This is a great opportunity for Liverpool to boost its status as a major departure port. “It also benefitsŠFred Olsen and other cruise operators, as it will improve the accessibility by eliminating locks and increasing the tidal window.” Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “I fought hard for two years to win turnaround status for Liverpool. I am delighted the Government has seen sense, and our campaign’s been successful. “The Liverpool Post played an important part in the campaign and I want to thank them for their support throughout.” ----------------- Liverpool is a first class destination and a fitting place to embark on a cruise. As a world class city it has plenty to offer and believe me it is fed up of being held back by a biased media and people who have never set foot in this beautiful part of the UK but still pull it down. --------------- Oops Sorry about not removing the web ads before. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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2:50pm Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
The following headline carried on the " Liverpool Daily Post " website may be of interest to all those in Southampton who think that Liverpool's cruise terminal will not affect them.

" New Liverpool River Mersey Cruise Terminal luring cruise lines’ interest "

LEADING cruise lines are considering Liverpool for new sailings now restrictions on turnaround voyages are lifted at the River Mersey Pier Head terminal.

Previously cruise line interest in Liverpool was cut short once operators saw the existing basic facilities at Langton Dock, Bootle.

Companies always maintained they would seriously consider basing cruise liners here if they could start and end sailings at the Pier Head.

The breakthrough occurs on Tuesday when the Countess of Derby gives the official send-off to m/v Ocean Countess from the Cruise Terminal.

This will be the city’s first turnaround trip in 40 years and follows the success of the Liverpool Post’s Get on Board campaign.

Famous operators such as Saga Cruises, Thomson Cruises and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines in the past expressed an interest in Liverpool as a turnaround port.

Saga Cruises, which operates Saga Ruby and Saga Sapphire, tested cruises from Liverpool four years ago.

Like Fred Olsen, Saga Cruises regarded negotiating Langton Lock as too tricky.

Paul Green, of Saga Cruises, said: “Lifting the restrictions on turnarounds from Liverpool Cruise Terminal is very welcome news. The North West is traditionally a very strong cruising area and that’s of great commercial interest to Saga and other companies.

“Cruise programmes are put together a couple of years in advance, so it will be a few seasons before Liverpool sees the benefit, but it will come.”

Cruising from Liverpool has become much easier with permission to base liners at the Cruise Terminal, said Fred Olsen Cruise Lines, which offers 10 cruises on its liner Boudicca in 2013.

Nathan Philpot, Fred Olsen sales and marketing director, said: “Having been a supporter of the Merseyside region for many years, we welcome turnaround status for Pier Head in Liverpool. This is a great opportunity for Liverpool to boost its status as a major departure port.

“It also benefitsŠFred Olsen and other cruise operators, as it will improve the accessibility by eliminating locks and increasing the tidal window.”

Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “I fought hard for two years to win turnaround status for Liverpool. I am delighted the Government has seen sense, and our campaign’s been successful.

“The Liverpool Post played an important part in the campaign and I want to thank them for their support throughout.”

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Liverpool is a first class destination and a fitting place to embark on a cruise.
As a world class city it has plenty to offer and believe me it is fed up of being held back by a biased media and people who have never set foot in this beautiful part of the UK but still pull it down.

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Oops Sorry about not removing the web ads before.
Your quite welcome to keep Saga Lines & Fred Olsen but aren't you & Joe Anderson jumping the gun a bit?
The EU are looking into their grant & might recall their monies?
Can Liverpool tax payers carry both debts?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: The following headline carried on the " Liverpool Daily Post " website may be of interest to all those in Southampton who think that Liverpool's cruise terminal will not affect them. " New Liverpool River Mersey Cruise Terminal luring cruise lines’ interest " LEADING cruise lines are considering Liverpool for new sailings now restrictions on turnaround voyages are lifted at the River Mersey Pier Head terminal. Previously cruise line interest in Liverpool was cut short once operators saw the existing basic facilities at Langton Dock, Bootle. Companies always maintained they would seriously consider basing cruise liners here if they could start and end sailings at the Pier Head. The breakthrough occurs on Tuesday when the Countess of Derby gives the official send-off to m/v Ocean Countess from the Cruise Terminal. This will be the city’s first turnaround trip in 40 years and follows the success of the Liverpool Post’s Get on Board campaign. Famous operators such as Saga Cruises, Thomson Cruises and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines in the past expressed an interest in Liverpool as a turnaround port. Saga Cruises, which operates Saga Ruby and Saga Sapphire, tested cruises from Liverpool four years ago. Like Fred Olsen, Saga Cruises regarded negotiating Langton Lock as too tricky. Paul Green, of Saga Cruises, said: “Lifting the restrictions on turnarounds from Liverpool Cruise Terminal is very welcome news. The North West is traditionally a very strong cruising area and that’s of great commercial interest to Saga and other companies. “Cruise programmes are put together a couple of years in advance, so it will be a few seasons before Liverpool sees the benefit, but it will come.” Cruising from Liverpool has become much easier with permission to base liners at the Cruise Terminal, said Fred Olsen Cruise Lines, which offers 10 cruises on its liner Boudicca in 2013. Nathan Philpot, Fred Olsen sales and marketing director, said: “Having been a supporter of the Merseyside region for many years, we welcome turnaround status for Pier Head in Liverpool. This is a great opportunity for Liverpool to boost its status as a major departure port. “It also benefitsŠFred Olsen and other cruise operators, as it will improve the accessibility by eliminating locks and increasing the tidal window.” Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “I fought hard for two years to win turnaround status for Liverpool. I am delighted the Government has seen sense, and our campaign’s been successful. “The Liverpool Post played an important part in the campaign and I want to thank them for their support throughout.” ----------------- Liverpool is a first class destination and a fitting place to embark on a cruise. As a world class city it has plenty to offer and believe me it is fed up of being held back by a biased media and people who have never set foot in this beautiful part of the UK but still pull it down. --------------- Oops Sorry about not removing the web ads before.[/p][/quote]Your quite welcome to keep Saga Lines & Fred Olsen but aren't you & Joe Anderson jumping the gun a bit? The EU are looking into their grant & might recall their monies? Can Liverpool tax payers carry both debts? loosehead
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8:48pm Sat 26 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

" DJT1million " stated in the Independent Newspaper 8 months ago



............the size of the actual grant, apparently it was a total of 17.6 million and not the 20 or 21 miliion pounds that is often quoted, part EU funding that came with no strings, part UK Govt funding that did come with strings and is therefore due to be repaid.

...and talking of the grants to pay for the landing stage. These have been used as a big stick with which to beat the Liverpudlians with and yet I doubt there is a single port in the UK that could put its hand on its heart and pledge that they have never received public funding in order to develop infrastructure that will improve private businesses. Not one. ABP that own Southampton along with many other ports has currently benefited from a huge public subsidy upgrading the rail link from their container port to the West Midlands & West Coast main line. Strangely this is just fine, yet grants to Liverpool are the Devils Work! Odd that.

---------------

I rest my case.
" DJT1million " stated in the Independent Newspaper 8 months ago ............the size of the actual grant, apparently it was a total of 17.6 million and not the 20 or 21 miliion pounds that is often quoted, part EU funding that came with no strings, part UK Govt funding that did come with strings and is therefore due to be repaid. ...and talking of the grants to pay for the landing stage. These have been used as a big stick with which to beat the Liverpudlians with and yet I doubt there is a single port in the UK that could put its hand on its heart and pledge that they have never received public funding in order to develop infrastructure that will improve private businesses. Not one. ABP that own Southampton along with many other ports has currently benefited from a huge public subsidy upgrading the rail link from their container port to the West Midlands & West Coast main line. Strangely this is just fine, yet grants to Liverpool are the Devils Work! Odd that. --------------- I rest my case. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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10:27pm Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
" DJT1million " stated in the Independent Newspaper 8 months ago



............the size of the actual grant, apparently it was a total of 17.6 million and not the 20 or 21 miliion pounds that is often quoted, part EU funding that came with no strings, part UK Govt funding that did come with strings and is therefore due to be repaid.

...and talking of the grants to pay for the landing stage. These have been used as a big stick with which to beat the Liverpudlians with and yet I doubt there is a single port in the UK that could put its hand on its heart and pledge that they have never received public funding in order to develop infrastructure that will improve private businesses. Not one. ABP that own Southampton along with many other ports has currently benefited from a huge public subsidy upgrading the rail link from their container port to the West Midlands & West Coast main line. Strangely this is just fine, yet grants to Liverpool are the Devils Work! Odd that.

---------------

I rest my case.
Surely it's Network Rail who've benefitted from all upgrades giving them higher freight volumes so more profit?
So Abp uses the Lines how exactly are they benefitting & why are they putting up their container prices to cover this debt or didn't you know they're paying towards it & it's Network Rail who's getting a freebie?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: " DJT1million " stated in the Independent Newspaper 8 months ago ............the size of the actual grant, apparently it was a total of 17.6 million and not the 20 or 21 miliion pounds that is often quoted, part EU funding that came with no strings, part UK Govt funding that did come with strings and is therefore due to be repaid. ...and talking of the grants to pay for the landing stage. These have been used as a big stick with which to beat the Liverpudlians with and yet I doubt there is a single port in the UK that could put its hand on its heart and pledge that they have never received public funding in order to develop infrastructure that will improve private businesses. Not one. ABP that own Southampton along with many other ports has currently benefited from a huge public subsidy upgrading the rail link from their container port to the West Midlands & West Coast main line. Strangely this is just fine, yet grants to Liverpool are the Devils Work! Odd that. --------------- I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Surely it's Network Rail who've benefitted from all upgrades giving them higher freight volumes so more profit? So Abp uses the Lines how exactly are they benefitting & why are they putting up their container prices to cover this debt or didn't you know they're paying towards it & it's Network Rail who's getting a freebie? loosehead
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12:11am Sun 27 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

in your very own Daily Echo dated Tuesday 4th July 2006 in Hampshire Business.

Qoute

" Freight rail upgrade costs rise to £60m "

THE TRUE cost of upgrading Southampton's freight rail link to the midlands has been put at £60m in a funding bid submitted to the Government.


"The project will not only keep the existing 1,000 lorries a day off the A34 but will also cater for the significant demand for additional container rail freight services.

ABP only contributed a minute amount towards the cost, the main winner out of this is ABP who will make more money due to being able to cope with increased volume.
Unlike you and others in Southampton , I have'nt got on my high horse and demanded that ABP pays the full £60 Million.

I believe ABP paid at most £4 Million.
in your very own Daily Echo dated Tuesday 4th July 2006 in Hampshire Business. Qoute " Freight rail upgrade costs rise to £60m " THE TRUE cost of upgrading Southampton's freight rail link to the midlands has been put at £60m in a funding bid submitted to the Government. "The project will not only keep the existing 1,000 lorries a day off the A34 but will also cater for the significant demand for additional container rail freight services. ABP only contributed a minute amount towards the cost, the main winner out of this is ABP who will make more money due to being able to cope with increased volume. Unlike you and others in Southampton , I have'nt got on my high horse and demanded that ABP pays the full £60 Million. I believe ABP paid at most £4 Million. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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8:15am Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
in your very own Daily Echo dated Tuesday 4th July 2006 in Hampshire Business.

Qoute

" Freight rail upgrade costs rise to £60m "

THE TRUE cost of upgrading Southampton's freight rail link to the midlands has been put at £60m in a funding bid submitted to the Government.


"The project will not only keep the existing 1,000 lorries a day off the A34 but will also cater for the significant demand for additional container rail freight services.

ABP only contributed a minute amount towards the cost, the main winner out of this is ABP who will make more money due to being able to cope with increased volume.
Unlike you and others in Southampton , I have'nt got on my high horse and demanded that ABP pays the full £60 Million.

I believe ABP paid at most £4 Million.
So once again you seem to forget Network Rails net gain in these upgrades?
ABP can see increased volumes?
That's rubbish as Lorries have quite happily be doing the job.
This is a Eco move by the Labour Government.
Put containers on to trains takes lorries off the road or can't you see that?
As you have a container port where the channel to it is being dredged out & being paid for by Public money & we haven't kicked up about it don't you think it's a bit rich you going on about Rail upgrades?
As I've said this is 1/Eco friendly development.
2/benefitting Network Rail & ABP has to pay towards it so nothing for free there.
Liverpool council ( not people) Lied & cheated to get these two grants so yes we cried foul yet you go on about something that's not been lied or cheated to receive & just doesn't benefit this city?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: in your very own Daily Echo dated Tuesday 4th July 2006 in Hampshire Business. Qoute " Freight rail upgrade costs rise to £60m " THE TRUE cost of upgrading Southampton's freight rail link to the midlands has been put at £60m in a funding bid submitted to the Government. "The project will not only keep the existing 1,000 lorries a day off the A34 but will also cater for the significant demand for additional container rail freight services. ABP only contributed a minute amount towards the cost, the main winner out of this is ABP who will make more money due to being able to cope with increased volume. Unlike you and others in Southampton , I have'nt got on my high horse and demanded that ABP pays the full £60 Million. I believe ABP paid at most £4 Million.[/p][/quote]So once again you seem to forget Network Rails net gain in these upgrades? ABP can see increased volumes? That's rubbish as Lorries have quite happily be doing the job. This is a Eco move by the Labour Government. Put containers on to trains takes lorries off the road or can't you see that? As you have a container port where the channel to it is being dredged out & being paid for by Public money & we haven't kicked up about it don't you think it's a bit rich you going on about Rail upgrades? As I've said this is 1/Eco friendly development. 2/benefitting Network Rail & ABP has to pay towards it so nothing for free there. Liverpool council ( not people) Lied & cheated to get these two grants so yes we cried foul yet you go on about something that's not been lied or cheated to receive & just doesn't benefit this city? loosehead
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11:03am Sun 27 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

Over the last 10 years the number of visitors to Liverpool has increased to such a level that it is now the 3rd most visited place in the UK. One of our most splendid attractions is our maritime history and our " World Heritage Site ".

Liverpool's World Heritage Site consists of six distinctive historic areas, not just the Pier Head.

http://www.liverpool
worldheritage.com

They are :-

1. Pier Head

2. Albert Dock

3. Stanley Dock

4. Castle Street Area

5. William Brown Street Area

6. Lower Duke Street Area

The council under the Liberal Democrats successfully obtained the disputed funding to re-introduce the facility to accomodate the largest cruise liners in the world as a stopping off point. This gave cruise passengers the opportunity to arrive by sea at an amazing location ( not the cluttered dockside that is usual ) and the local economy benefits enormously.

As time has evolved the cruise companies with turnaround cruises have been unhappy with the problems with their berths in Langton Dock

The council have now acted in the best interests of the people of Liverpool and the region it serves and have gone through legitimate channels to press their case for the restrictions imposed by the UK part of the grant ( we are also paying back the uk grant ).

Liverpool has come a long way in regaining its pride and place in the world. Political parties are now both working together for the good of our city.

Having looked through past and present entries in this paper, I would like to suggest that it would be good for Southampton, if the people stopped squabling amongst themselves about the state of the city, docks etc and united in getting things done.
Over the last 10 years the number of visitors to Liverpool has increased to such a level that it is now the 3rd most visited place in the UK. One of our most splendid attractions is our maritime history and our " World Heritage Site ". Liverpool's World Heritage Site consists of six distinctive historic areas, not just the Pier Head. http://www.liverpool worldheritage.com They are :- 1. Pier Head 2. Albert Dock 3. Stanley Dock 4. Castle Street Area 5. William Brown Street Area 6. Lower Duke Street Area The council under the Liberal Democrats successfully obtained the disputed funding to re-introduce the facility to accomodate the largest cruise liners in the world as a stopping off point. This gave cruise passengers the opportunity to arrive by sea at an amazing location ( not the cluttered dockside that is usual ) and the local economy benefits enormously. As time has evolved the cruise companies with turnaround cruises have been unhappy with the problems with their berths in Langton Dock The council have now acted in the best interests of the people of Liverpool and the region it serves and have gone through legitimate channels to press their case for the restrictions imposed by the UK part of the grant ( we are also paying back the uk grant ). Liverpool has come a long way in regaining its pride and place in the world. Political parties are now both working together for the good of our city. Having looked through past and present entries in this paper, I would like to suggest that it would be good for Southampton, if the people stopped squabling amongst themselves about the state of the city, docks etc and united in getting things done. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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12:05pm Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
Over the last 10 years the number of visitors to Liverpool has increased to such a level that it is now the 3rd most visited place in the UK. One of our most splendid attractions is our maritime history and our " World Heritage Site ".

Liverpool's World Heritage Site consists of six distinctive historic areas, not just the Pier Head.

http://www.liverpool

worldheritage.com

They are :-

1. Pier Head

2. Albert Dock

3. Stanley Dock

4. Castle Street Area

5. William Brown Street Area

6. Lower Duke Street Area

The council under the Liberal Democrats successfully obtained the disputed funding to re-introduce the facility to accomodate the largest cruise liners in the world as a stopping off point. This gave cruise passengers the opportunity to arrive by sea at an amazing location ( not the cluttered dockside that is usual ) and the local economy benefits enormously.

As time has evolved the cruise companies with turnaround cruises have been unhappy with the problems with their berths in Langton Dock

The council have now acted in the best interests of the people of Liverpool and the region it serves and have gone through legitimate channels to press their case for the restrictions imposed by the UK part of the grant ( we are also paying back the uk grant ).

Liverpool has come a long way in regaining its pride and place in the world. Political parties are now both working together for the good of our city.

Having looked through past and present entries in this paper, I would like to suggest that it would be good for Southampton, if the people stopped squabling amongst themselves about the state of the city, docks etc and united in getting things done.
The Liberal leader successfully lied & cheated ( committed fraud?) to get the loans to try & take work from the other Ports & some doughnut who sees Labour turned down a change of use allows it because he's not Labour?
Are you all going to vote Tory now?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: Over the last 10 years the number of visitors to Liverpool has increased to such a level that it is now the 3rd most visited place in the UK. One of our most splendid attractions is our maritime history and our " World Heritage Site ". Liverpool's World Heritage Site consists of six distinctive historic areas, not just the Pier Head. http://www.liverpool worldheritage.com They are :- 1. Pier Head 2. Albert Dock 3. Stanley Dock 4. Castle Street Area 5. William Brown Street Area 6. Lower Duke Street Area The council under the Liberal Democrats successfully obtained the disputed funding to re-introduce the facility to accomodate the largest cruise liners in the world as a stopping off point. This gave cruise passengers the opportunity to arrive by sea at an amazing location ( not the cluttered dockside that is usual ) and the local economy benefits enormously. As time has evolved the cruise companies with turnaround cruises have been unhappy with the problems with their berths in Langton Dock The council have now acted in the best interests of the people of Liverpool and the region it serves and have gone through legitimate channels to press their case for the restrictions imposed by the UK part of the grant ( we are also paying back the uk grant ). Liverpool has come a long way in regaining its pride and place in the world. Political parties are now both working together for the good of our city. Having looked through past and present entries in this paper, I would like to suggest that it would be good for Southampton, if the people stopped squabling amongst themselves about the state of the city, docks etc and united in getting things done.[/p][/quote]The Liberal leader successfully lied & cheated ( committed fraud?) to get the loans to try & take work from the other Ports & some doughnut who sees Labour turned down a change of use allows it because he's not Labour? Are you all going to vote Tory now? loosehead
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12:51pm Sun 27 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

Steady, steady you'll have a heart attack at this rate.

I have used reasoned argument and have never lost it with you, so please be so kind as to re-read what I have written .
You and the good people of Southampton only want what is best for your city, I also want what is best for my city.


Please don't accuse anybody of cheating or fraud.My city of which I am extremely proud has done things in a clear, honest and fair way, the result of which has been to have the change of use given by an independent assessor ( similar to having a change of use on a shop or business premises ).

If you feel so angry over this , God only Knows what you make of the long lasting benefits London has gained from the £20 Billion invested in the Olympic facilities paid for by the taxpayers of the whole of this country who did not have a say as to whether this money should be spent. Of course it's alright to spend £20 Billion on the Olympics because they are being held in London ( in the South East ) with a few tit bits held in a few odd area's outside the South of England.
Steady, steady you'll have a heart attack at this rate. I have used reasoned argument and have never lost it with you, so please be so kind as to re-read what I have written . You and the good people of Southampton only want what is best for your city, I also want what is best for my city. Please don't accuse anybody of cheating or fraud.My city of which I am extremely proud has done things in a clear, honest and fair way, the result of which has been to have the change of use given by an independent assessor ( similar to having a change of use on a shop or business premises ). If you feel so angry over this , God only Knows what you make of the long lasting benefits London has gained from the £20 Billion invested in the Olympic facilities paid for by the taxpayers of the whole of this country who did not have a say as to whether this money should be spent. Of course it's alright to spend £20 Billion on the Olympics because they are being held in London ( in the South East ) with a few tit bits held in a few odd area's outside the South of England. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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3:52pm Sun 27 May 12

Tom Liverpool says...

Loosehead, the so called Titanic parade in Liverpool was Not a celebration of a liner sinking. In fact quite the opposite
It was called Sea Odyssey and was commemorating the existence of a letter from a little ten year old Liverpool girl, to her father, a steward on the ill fated Titanic and died in the disaster. The letter was returned to sender by White Star Line and was kept by the family until handed over to Liverpool Museum. The letter was read by Jean-Luc Courcoult of Royal De Luxe a French street theatre company, who put together the FICTIONAL story about the girl and her uncle searching for each other so that the uncle could return the letter. 880,000 people came to see the event, which was quite magnificent. So please stop being so negative about this event, you're coming over as a very angry and irrational man.
Loosehead, the so called Titanic parade in Liverpool was Not a celebration of a liner sinking. In fact quite the opposite It was called Sea Odyssey and was commemorating the existence of a letter from a little ten year old Liverpool girl, to her father, a steward on the ill fated Titanic and died in the disaster. The letter was returned to sender by White Star Line and was kept by the family until handed over to Liverpool Museum. The letter was read by Jean-Luc Courcoult of Royal De Luxe a French street theatre company, who put together the FICTIONAL story about the girl and her uncle searching for each other so that the uncle could return the letter. 880,000 people came to see the event, which was quite magnificent. So please stop being so negative about this event, you're coming over as a very angry and irrational man. Tom Liverpool
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4:36pm Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

Tom Liverpool wrote:
Loosehead, the so called Titanic parade in Liverpool was Not a celebration of a liner sinking. In fact quite the opposite
It was called Sea Odyssey and was commemorating the existence of a letter from a little ten year old Liverpool girl, to her father, a steward on the ill fated Titanic and died in the disaster. The letter was returned to sender by White Star Line and was kept by the family until handed over to Liverpool Museum. The letter was read by Jean-Luc Courcoult of Royal De Luxe a French street theatre company, who put together the FICTIONAL story about the girl and her uncle searching for each other so that the uncle could return the letter. 880,000 people came to see the event, which was quite magnificent. So please stop being so negative about this event, you're coming over as a very angry and irrational man.
Thank You Tom I didn't know what Proud was going on about & it just looked like another city jumping the Tourist bandwagon in this year of remembrance of the Titanic tragedy.
Tom I'm more than proud of my fathers Liverpool/Mersey roots.
I have nothing against Liverpool people but your council did use underhand tactics to get the grant in the first place so I would think you the people of that great city could see why this city is so upset by your council's actions?
Tom I did suggest that there were cruise/travel companies who Liverpool could attract without effecting any other port but some of your posters seemed to want nothing short of all Southamptons cruise market.
I'm glad you've got Saga,Fred Olsen & Thompson cruises & hope that's the trade you want & chase after,
I can't understand why you didn't compete for the cruise that went to Harwich?
[quote][p][bold]Tom Liverpool[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, the so called Titanic parade in Liverpool was Not a celebration of a liner sinking. In fact quite the opposite It was called Sea Odyssey and was commemorating the existence of a letter from a little ten year old Liverpool girl, to her father, a steward on the ill fated Titanic and died in the disaster. The letter was returned to sender by White Star Line and was kept by the family until handed over to Liverpool Museum. The letter was read by Jean-Luc Courcoult of Royal De Luxe a French street theatre company, who put together the FICTIONAL story about the girl and her uncle searching for each other so that the uncle could return the letter. 880,000 people came to see the event, which was quite magnificent. So please stop being so negative about this event, you're coming over as a very angry and irrational man.[/p][/quote]Thank You Tom I didn't know what Proud was going on about & it just looked like another city jumping the Tourist bandwagon in this year of remembrance of the Titanic tragedy. Tom I'm more than proud of my fathers Liverpool/Mersey roots. I have nothing against Liverpool people but your council did use underhand tactics to get the grant in the first place so I would think you the people of that great city could see why this city is so upset by your council's actions? Tom I did suggest that there were cruise/travel companies who Liverpool could attract without effecting any other port but some of your posters seemed to want nothing short of all Southamptons cruise market. I'm glad you've got Saga,Fred Olsen & Thompson cruises & hope that's the trade you want & chase after, I can't understand why you didn't compete for the cruise that went to Harwich? loosehead
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6:35pm Sun 27 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

I can't understand why you didn't compete for the cruise that went to Harwich?

------------

We can't do that , you would tell us off for stealing trade from Harwich . Then again since it isn't trade from Southampton you would obviously condone it.
I can't understand why you didn't compete for the cruise that went to Harwich? ------------ We can't do that , you would tell us off for stealing trade from Harwich . Then again since it isn't trade from Southampton you would obviously condone it. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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9:41pm Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I can't understand why you didn't compete for the cruise that went to Harwich?

------------

We can't do that , you would tell us off for stealing trade from Harwich . Then again since it isn't trade from Southampton you would obviously condone it.
Proud so why was it Arizonan said you didn't vie for it as you couldn't do turnaround for three years?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: I can't understand why you didn't compete for the cruise that went to Harwich? ------------ We can't do that , you would tell us off for stealing trade from Harwich . Then again since it isn't trade from Southampton you would obviously condone it.[/p][/quote]Proud so why was it Arizonan said you didn't vie for it as you couldn't do turnaround for three years? loosehead
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12:16am Mon 28 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

We couldn't Go after the cruise that you mention because at that time we did not have the change of use which has now been granted. Remember a decision was due last year but the government dragged their heels.

Since you appear to know very little about the turnaround facility at Langton Dock , I will try and explain.

In order for a ship to enter Langton Dock it has to turn against the tide before entering the lock entrance into the dock system. Fred Olsen's
ship " Boudicca " is not a modern super cruise ship and is relatively small by todays standard but when it was entering the lock there was about 4 feet or less either side of the hull, because of the dangers involved Fred Olsen withdrew the survice.

This amongst other reasons was why in order to hold onto our existing turn-around traffic an application was made to fully utilize the new cruise terminal and to pay an amount decided by an independent assessor of the UK taxpayers grant back to the government.

We have had all the super cruise ships visiting in the last few years including " The World " which is the only private residential community-at-sea where its Residents
may travel the globe without ever leaving home which is back with us next year, ( I believe it will not be calling at Southampton ).We know the cruise ship companies love coming to Liverpool and we know that some of them will definately base turn-around routes here.
If you want to know what cruise customers want and think then you should go to

http://www.cruises.c
o.uk/673-cruise_chat
/29160-liverpool_cru
ise_terminal.html

after all the cruise lines have to supply what the market wants or people will go to a competitor.
We couldn't Go after the cruise that you mention because at that time we did not have the change of use which has now been granted. Remember a decision was due last year but the government dragged their heels. Since you appear to know very little about the turnaround facility at Langton Dock , I will try and explain. In order for a ship to enter Langton Dock it has to turn against the tide before entering the lock entrance into the dock system. Fred Olsen's ship " Boudicca " is not a modern super cruise ship and is relatively small by todays standard but when it was entering the lock there was about 4 feet or less either side of the hull, because of the dangers involved Fred Olsen withdrew the survice. This amongst other reasons was why in order to hold onto our existing turn-around traffic an application was made to fully utilize the new cruise terminal and to pay an amount decided by an independent assessor of the UK taxpayers grant back to the government. We have had all the super cruise ships visiting in the last few years including " The World " which is the only private residential community-at-sea where its Residents may travel the globe without ever leaving home which is back with us next year, ( I believe it will not be calling at Southampton ).We know the cruise ship companies love coming to Liverpool and we know that some of them will definately base turn-around routes here. If you want to know what cruise customers want and think then you should go to http://www.cruises.c o.uk/673-cruise_chat /29160-liverpool_cru ise_terminal.html after all the cruise lines have to supply what the market wants or people will go to a competitor. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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12:09pm Tue 29 May 12

Who's laughing now says...

Mike Riley, 56, from Bradford, said: "It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as it's a lot more convenient. It's also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here."

Lee Horton, frrom Heywood, near Manchester, said: "We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again."

Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield, said: "It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool. Why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?"

AMEN!!
Mike Riley, 56, from Bradford, said: "It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as it's a lot more convenient. It's also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here." Lee Horton, frrom Heywood, near Manchester, said: "We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again." Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield, said: "It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool. Why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?" AMEN!! Who's laughing now
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2:45pm Tue 29 May 12

MrD1979 says...

Just went to see the ship. Looks great. Not huge, but hopefully the first of many. Happy days.
Just went to see the ship. Looks great. Not huge, but hopefully the first of many. Happy days. MrD1979
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