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    Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
    Liverpool has waited very patiently for the government to decide if it could have change of use for its river terminal, in fact it has been extremely patient as the decision was due last year,
    The reasoning for a change are many and are complex.

    Since everybody in Southampton appears to know very little about the turnaround facility at Langton Dock , I will try and explain.

    In order for a ship to enter Langton Dock it has to turn against the tide before entering the lock entrance into the dock system. Fred Olsen's
    ship " Boudicca " is not a modern super cruise ship and is relatively small by todays standard but when it was entering the lock there was about 4 feet or less either side of the hull, because of the dangers involved Fred Olsen withdrew the survice.

    This amongst other reasons was why in order to hold onto our existing turn-around traffic an application was made to fully utilize the new cruise terminal and to pay an amount decided by an independent assessor of the UK taxpayers grant back to the government.

    We have had all the super cruise ships visiting in the last few years including " The World " which is the only private residential community-at-sea where its Residents
    may travel the globe without ever leaving home which is back with us next year, ( I believe it will not be calling at Southampton ).We know the cruise ship companies love coming to Liverpool and we know that some of them will definately base turn-around routes here.
    If you want to know what cruise customers want and think then you should go to



    after all the cruise lines have to supply what the market wants or people will go to a competitor.
    Look all we're asking is why is your council now risking everything you've achieved by what ever means by using this facility before the EU has ruled on it?
    Mike Penning stated you should not use it until the EU has given the okay so why put it all at risk?
    Do your council think as travellers think? Do it then they'll let you carry on doing it?"
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Liverpool 'must play by cruise turnaround rules'

Liverpool 'must play by cruise turnaround rules'

Liverpool 'must play by cruise turnaround rules'

First published in Southampton

LIVERPOOL has been warned it will be breaking the law if it launches its first ever turnaround cruise tomorrow in a row with Southampton over the unfair use of public funds.

Hampshire Euro MP Daniel Hannan said if Liverpool City Council accepts its first turnaround call without a fair competition ruling from EU chiefs it “will be breaking the law”.

And the Tory MEP said he expected a “strong response from both Government and the European Commission” if Liverpool presses ahead with plans to start and finish cruises at its £21m Pier Head terminal without European approval.

Liverpool is planning to start a 740-passenger Ocean Countess cruise at the terminal tomorrow after shipping minister Mike Penning said a one-off payment of £8.8m, or £12.6m over 15 years, would be enough for restrictions limiting its use for calling cruises to be lifted.

He said final removal of the restriction by the Government will depend on getting state aid clearance from the European Commission as £8.6m of European cash was used to build it.

Southampton and other UK cruise ports who have built up their industries on private funding are demanding Liverpool pays back all public hand outs for a level playing field.

Southampton MP John Denham accused Liverpool of “jumping the gun” and has demanding the Government step in to uphold competition law.

South East and North of England MEPs have set up a meeting with the EU’s competition commissioner.

Southampton’s Labour council leader Richard Williams will also be heading to Brussels this week to “fight to ensure that Liverpool plays by the rules”.

Liverpool City Council has not offered to pay back any EU funding claiming it was not a “condition upon the terminal solely being used as a call-in facility”.

City mayor Joe Anderson boasted tomorrow would be the “dawn of a new era for Liverpool’s cruise industry”.

Ocean Countess is scheduled to visit Liverpool 12 times during the 2012 cruise season, and a further 17 cruise turnarounds are scheduled between April and October 2013.

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