Government can’t stop Liverpool flouting cruise rules (From Daily Echo)

I don't know a great deal about how government funding is paid to individual councils but, assuming great wads of money are paid directly to councils, surely the easiest thing to do is deduct what is owed by Liverpool Council from the next payment the Government is supposed to give them.

Or is that too simple?

scousers....... my work is done here.....

"THE Government last night said it was “powerless” to prevent Liverpool flouting restrictions on its cruise terminal."

Thats because they are not flouting the rules yet, Liverpool is waiting for the time to run out on the terms and conditions

Easy remove all Government paid employees from the Port.
No customs officers or Port Health Authority workers would make it illegal to run the Port.
Penning is lying he has the power why not use it?
why don't we get money to build say a new school but don't build it just use it to cover the shortfall?
get it from the EU in the form of a grant & don't worry they won't want it back will they?

Government powerless to act........WTF do we vote for then? So it's a criminal act then??

Not much point making regulations that are unenforceable.

Thinking of turning Eling Quay in to a turn around port now,the law is lawless to stop me !

If true, the government is gutless.

Think I will change my vote to UKIP.

As Alf Garnett would have said "scouse gits".

loosehead wrote:
Easy remove all Government paid employees from the Port.
No customs officers or Port Health Authority workers would make it illegal to run the Port.
Penning is lying he has the power why not use it?
why don't we get money to build say a new school but don't build it just use it to cover the shortfall?
get it from the EU in the form of a grant & don't worry they won't want it back will they?

removing the Government paid employees would not help, Liverpool Council would be allowed to swear in people to do the same job, the port health authority might be run local council, so no go there if not they can use there own health dept to run the port authority.
EU best if the uk got as much as it can back fromthe EU, we pay in way to much to the EU

Well that seems to be that Mr Penning is powerless and the E.U. don't usually ask for money back, job done Liverpool laughing their heads of and the government wonder why businesses won't invest is it any surprise when you invest millions only to get stabbed in the back by not only the U.K.government but also the E.U. Can somebody please explain to me how the government can be powerless who the hell is running this country.

They are acting like Gypo's.

Little brown envelopes seats on the board and all sorts of incentives and inducements, or to you and me back handers. The whole thing stinks of corruption from start to finnish.

The Salv wrote:
They are acting like Gypo's.

Bit near the knuckle.

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Easy remove all Government paid employees from the Port.
No customs officers or Port Health Authority workers would make it illegal to run the Port.
Penning is lying he has the power why not use it?
why don't we get money to build say a new school but don't build it just use it to cover the shortfall?
get it from the EU in the form of a grant & don't worry they won't want it back will they?

removing the Government paid employees would not help, Liverpool Council would be allowed to swear in people to do the same job, the port health authority might be run local council, so no go there if not they can use there own health dept to run the port authority.
EU best if the uk got as much as it can back fromthe EU, we pay in way to much to the EU

Southy how are they going to employ custom officers & UK Border officers?

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Easy remove all Government paid employees from the Port.
No customs officers or Port Health Authority workers would make it illegal to run the Port.
Penning is lying he has the power why not use it?
why don't we get money to build say a new school but don't build it just use it to cover the shortfall?
get it from the EU in the form of a grant & don't worry they won't want it back will they?

removing the Government paid employees would not help, Liverpool Council would be allowed to swear in people to do the same job, the port health authority might be run local council, so no go there if not they can use there own health dept to run the port authority.
EU best if the uk got as much as it can back fromthe EU, we pay in way to much to the EU

Southy how are they going to employ custom officers & UK Border officers?

Give him some Google time, I'm sure he can come up with something he pretends he knows about!

ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Southampton get over it .. The cruise industry owes you nothing you played monopoly for years in this country, and that's why the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton ... Liverpool eventually will be good competition in years to come and your just afraid of that competition.
How can I explaine this .... The cruise industry Is like a shop in let's say in London ( Harvey Nichols ) business is booming so they open up shop else where in another city to gain more income they don't stop there.this year Harvey Nichols open 2nd store in Liverpool and so on .. The cruise industry have also applied pressure on the government for Liverpool to be granted turnaround at pier head to increase business and expand ,Liverpool will be a gold mine in years to come and I bet their all rubbing there hands together .... Move on and put your energy in regards to improving your town ....

Marseille and Copenhagen? What, with a transfer of Liverpool turnaround cruises from Langton dock to the Liverpool Cruise terminal???
A grand total of 11 cruises in 2012?
Fred Olsen Liverpool traffic returning in 2013?
No wonder no Liverpool MP's turned up.

ohec wrote:

The Salv wrote:
They are acting like Gypo's.

Bit near the knuckle.

It's above his usual standard!!

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Easy remove all Government paid employees from the Port.
No customs officers or Port Health Authority workers would make it illegal to run the Port.
Penning is lying he has the power why not use it?
why don't we get money to build say a new school but don't build it just use it to cover the shortfall?
get it from the EU in the form of a grant & don't worry they won't want it back will they?

removing the Government paid employees would not help, Liverpool Council would be allowed to swear in people to do the same job, the port health authority might be run local council, so no go there if not they can use there own health dept to run the port authority.
EU best if the uk got as much as it can back fromthe EU, we pay in way to much to the EU

Southy how are they going to employ custom officers & UK Border officers?

Local council are allowed to do those jobs loose, normally its just kept to the small fishing villages ect where the cost is very low. and it dont matter to much.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Personal my self all international ports should be nationalised. so any profit go's to the country and not sit idle in an off shore bank account where they dont pay tax on the interest.

southy wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Personal my self all international ports should be nationalised. so any profit go's to the country and not sit idle in an off shore bank account where they dont pay tax on the interest.

Yeh, can't have all that money sitting around doing nothing, it's much better off in the bank accounts of Union Leaders & Limo liberals. Someone has to pay for the Caviar, it ain't gonna be them is it?

Liverpool City Region’s Deal with Government has been announced.

Liverpool City Region Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) and partners has negotiated a second City Deal with Government which will bring further investment to the City Region. This complements the City Deal announced earlier this year.

The Deal agrees a number of proposals with government covering skills and worklessness, transport, trade and inward investment, low carbon economy as well as harnessing the regions natural assets. The LEP has led the negotiations that have secured the following for the City Region:

■An international Business Festival which showcases and celebrates business opportunities to Europe and the rest of the World, delivering £100m return on investment
■To increase employment by combining £81m public and private employment and skills investments and empowering businesses to create more jobs, tackle skills gaps and raise productivity, supporting 17,400 people into work and creating 6,000 apprenticeships
■To put transport at the heart of economic development through a revised approach to governance and creation of a joint investment fund of £800m supporting the creation of 15,000 jobs
■To harness the City Region’s science and knowledge assets, attracting ‘big science investment’, increasing GVA and generating 2,000 high value jobs
■A low carbon red tape pilot that will aim to reduce regulatory burdens and streamline local planning process to accelerate over £100m worth of investment in offshore wind infrastructure in the City Region and create 3,000 jobs
■To examine how the River Mersey can become the cleanest river in an urban setting by 2045, with the commensurate economic benefits.
Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool, said: “This City Region Deal builds on and complements the Liverpool Mayoral Deal that we agreed earlier in the year. I am pleased to see what has been agreed with Government and strongly welcome the support from Government to help us secure growth and create jobs in the City Region.

"We are using our natural strengths and I am pleased to see the focus on trade and the river.

"It is now incumbent on us all to work together to support our businesses in their efforts to secure growth and create jobs.”

Robert Hough, Liverpool City Region LEP Chair said: “This City Region Deal is critically important for our economy as we seek to increase our competitiveness over the next few years. For instance, our innovative ‘Skills for Growth’ programme will enable us to support 17,400 people into work while creating around 6,000 apprenticeships.

"Additionally, the focus on low carbon engineering resonates strongly with the key sector growth strategies of the LEP. The City Deal process has shown how the partners within the City Region can work together to achieve positive benefits for the economy.

“Delivering this City Deal will be a significant step forward in realising our ambitions and the potential of the City Region.”

Liverpool and Wirral join forces to host International Business Festival in 2014

LIVERPOOL and Wirral will host a month-long business expo in 2014 that is expected to see the influx of 500,000 visitors.

The £15m International Business Festival (IBF) is expected to generate £100m for the local economy and create huge exposure for the city.

The expo will be the largest event of its kind in the UK since the Millennium Fair of 2000, held at the Millennium Dome, and the Festival of Britain in 1951.

A cultural programme is also being planned to run alongside the festival, building on the success of the recent Sea Odyssey giant puppet extravaganza.

The government will today announce its backing for the IBF as part of a series of City Deals to help boost the regions of the UK.

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said: “We have held this ambition since returning from (Shanghai’s) World Expo in 2010 and so this is a hugely significant moment in the continuing development of the city and the city region. We also anticipate that hosting this huge event will project a positive image of the region’s business landscape to potential investors and partners in the same way hosting European Capital of Culture in 2008 changed perceptions about Liverpool and our world class attractions.”

Earlier this year Liverpool successfully delivered the Global Entrepreneurship Congress (GEC) which brought 3,500 delegates from 125 countries to the city.

But the IBF will dwarf that four-day event, with exhibition space at three locations on both sides of the waterfront – the Echo Arena and BT Convention Centre, the new International Trade Centre in Wirral, and temporary structures in north Liverpool, known as the North Liverpool Investment Centre.

The sites in Wirral and north Liverpool form part of Peel Holdings’ multi-billion Wirral and Liverpool Waters schemes.


Map of the sites for the International Business Festival

The bid document for the festival enthuses about the possibility to create a viewing platform to show-off the huge development potential of north Liverpool.

Joe Anderson has long held the ambition of building a giant Liver Bird at the top of Everton Brow.

Details of the proposed ‘look out’ for the expo are yet to be finalised.

Two thirds of the £15m cost is expected to come from public sources, with the rest made up of sponsorship from companies.

The project is being led by the city council’s investment and regeneration agency Liverpool Vision’s chief executive Max Steinberg.

He will chair a delivery committee that includes representatives from Liverpool council, Wirral council, UK Trade and Investment, the Department for Business Innovation and Skills (BIS), the Foreign Office, the Cabinet Office, and Peel Holdings.

Mr Steinberg said: “There is no question that the city region has the assets and the expertise to host an event of this scale.

“We have an excellent track record in delivering or contributing to world class events from the International Garden Festival in 1984, through Capital of Culture in 2008, the World Expo in Shanghai in 2010 to the Global Entrepreneurship Congress and Sea Odyssey earlier this year.”

The four weeks of the festival will be themed to match areas identified as potential areas for growth in the region’s economy.

Those themes are low carbon, port and logistics, and knowledge (including life sciences, creative and digital, advanced manufacturing and professional and financial services).

The idea of an international expo was conceived as a key component of the Lord Heseltine and Sir Terry Leahy review into rebalancing the region’s economy.

Wirral council leader Cllr Phil Davies said: “While hosting the International Festival of Business will bring great benefit to our region and the North of England, it will be a festival for the whole of the UK and we will be developing our plans with key national partners to ensure that this event is one to make the region and the nation proud.

“It will help promote our shared vision that the Mersey can once again be a key global trading centre, showcasing enterprise zones and inspiring business in the UK to connect to growth markets and to double UK exports by 2020.

“Wirral is already firmly committed to this action plan as reflected in the progress we have made with the International Trade Centre which will be the first of its kind in the UK and the largest trade centre in Europe.”

ronn12 wrote:
Southampton get over it .. The cruise industry owes you nothing you played monopoly for years in this country, and that's why the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton ... Liverpool eventually will be good competition in years to come and your just afraid of that competition. How can I explaine this .... The cruise industry Is like a shop in let's say in London ( Harvey Nichols ) business is booming so they open up shop else where in another city to gain more income they don't stop there.this year Harvey Nichols open 2nd store in Liverpool and so on .. The cruise industry have also applied pressure on the government for Liverpool to be granted turnaround at pier head to increase business and expand ,Liverpool will be a gold mine in years to come and I bet their all rubbing there hands together .... Move on and put your energy in regards to improving your town ....

Do Liverpool know enough about the industry though? With councillers making comments such as (and I quote) "we are in negotiations with Ocean Village" - good bit of research there - LOL! The South is where it's at - Southampton is improving without the need to beg for money from all and sundry - it's all down to pride I guess. Having lived on the Wirral for a good few years I know Liverpool quite well and to be honest I've never known such a materialistic town - probably why the designer outlets such as Harvey Nichols are so happy to be there - where wearing the latest over-priced designer 'brand' takes presidence over the basics of life.

This is an impression of Loosehead nonsense:

Why oh why Can't this useless Tory Govt do something about this? Why did we elect them? What liars i'm sure they promised to put a stop to all this kind if nonsense. Another headline today - £58m owed by foreign diplomats in conjestion charges. Why hasn't David Cameron arranged for them to be dealt with yet? Liars when they say they will 'get a grip' on these kinds if problems..... Liars, why dud anyone vote for them? Blah, blah, blah.....

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Have a look at the history of the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board and I quote....

'By the end of the 1960's the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board was sinking fast. The UK Government, which had been bankrolling the loss making company for many years, finally released it into the private sector in 1970, one of ther first of Britain's nationalised businesses to be privatised.
The new company, renamed the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company was listed on the London Stock Exchange without debt as the Government wrote off more than £100m of tax payers money'............

The £100m of debt write off probably correlates to £400-£500m in todays money.
Add in the £2 billion worth of UK/EU grant aid over the past 20 years and Merseyside has done pretty well from the tax payer.
The question is has all the money been used suitably?
All looks good in the glitzy City centre.
Venture further afield to some of the city suburbs and you begin to wonder!!

Who's laughing now wrote:
Liverpool and Wirral join forces to host International Business Festival in 2014

LIVERPOOL and Wirral will host a month-long business expo in 2014 that is expected to see the influx of 500,000 visitors.

The £15m International Business Festival (IBF) is expected to generate £100m for the local economy and create huge exposure for the city.

The expo will be the largest event of its kind in the UK since the Millennium Fair of 2000, held at the Millennium Dome, and the Festival of Britain in 1951.

A cultural programme is also being planned to run alongside the festival, building on the success of the recent Sea Odyssey giant puppet extravaganza.

The government will today announce its backing for the IBF as part of a series of City Deals to help boost the regions of the UK.

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said: “We have held this ambition since returning from (Shanghai’s) World Expo in 2010 and so this is a hugely significant moment in the continuing development of the city and the city region. We also anticipate that hosting this huge event will project a positive image of the region’s business landscape to potential investors and partners in the same way hosting European Capital of Culture in 2008 changed perceptions about Liverpool and our world class attractions.”

Earlier this year Liverpool successfully delivered the Global Entrepreneurship Congress (GEC) which brought 3,500 delegates from 125 countries to the city.

But the IBF will dwarf that four-day event, with exhibition space at three locations on both sides of the waterfront – the Echo Arena and BT Convention Centre, the new International Trade Centre in Wirral, and temporary structures in north Liverpool, known as the North Liverpool Investment Centre.

The sites in Wirral and north Liverpool form part of Peel Holdings’ multi-billion Wirral and Liverpool Waters schemes.


Map of the sites for the International Business Festival

The bid document for the festival enthuses about the possibility to create a viewing platform to show-off the huge development potential of north Liverpool.

Joe Anderson has long held the ambition of building a giant Liver Bird at the top of Everton Brow.

Details of the proposed ‘look out’ for the expo are yet to be finalised.

Two thirds of the £15m cost is expected to come from public sources, with the rest made up of sponsorship from companies.

The project is being led by the city council’s investment and regeneration agency Liverpool Vision’s chief executive Max Steinberg.

He will chair a delivery committee that includes representatives from Liverpool council, Wirral council, UK Trade and Investment, the Department for Business Innovation and Skills (BIS), the Foreign Office, the Cabinet Office, and Peel Holdings.

Mr Steinberg said: “There is no question that the city region has the assets and the expertise to host an event of this scale.

“We have an excellent track record in delivering or contributing to world class events from the International Garden Festival in 1984, through Capital of Culture in 2008, the World Expo in Shanghai in 2010 to the Global Entrepreneurship Congress and Sea Odyssey earlier this year.”

The four weeks of the festival will be themed to match areas identified as potential areas for growth in the region’s economy.

Those themes are low carbon, port and logistics, and knowledge (including life sciences, creative and digital, advanced manufacturing and professional and financial services).

The idea of an international expo was conceived as a key component of the Lord Heseltine and Sir Terry Leahy review into rebalancing the region’s economy.

Wirral council leader Cllr Phil Davies said: “While hosting the International Festival of Business will bring great benefit to our region and the North of England, it will be a festival for the whole of the UK and we will be developing our plans with key national partners to ensure that this event is one to make the region and the nation proud.

“It will help promote our shared vision that the Mersey can once again be a key global trading centre, showcasing enterprise zones and inspiring business in the UK to connect to growth markets and to double UK exports by 2020.

“Wirral is already firmly committed to this action plan as reflected in the progress we have made with the International Trade Centre which will be the first of its kind in the UK and the largest trade centre in Europe.”

Interesting that £10m of the £15m cost will come from 'public sources', otherwise known as tax payers money!!
Hope the money is well spent and not lost like the debacle that was the failed Liverpool Boat Show

thinklikealocal wrote:
This is an impression of Loosehead nonsense:

Why oh why Can't this useless Tory Govt do something about this? Why did we elect them? What liars i'm sure they promised to put a stop to all this kind if nonsense. Another headline today - £58m owed by foreign diplomats in conjestion charges. Why hasn't David Cameron arranged for them to be dealt with yet? Liars when they say they will 'get a grip' on these kinds if problems..... Liars, why dud anyone vote for them? Blah, blah, blah.....

You stupid Woman! I stand up for this city & it's jobs & all you can do is posts this rubbish?
You're happy to see people lose their jobs so you can get your pay restored you're a disgrace to the trade union movement.
Did you listen to Diamonds speech in which he said Labour ministers were involved in fixing the interest rate?
I would have thought thisv was an all party fight for Southampton & the region as many businesses will go bust if we lose the cruise ships ?
But you don't care do you? you're getting you're pay restored at the cost of someones job you pathetic woman

Pompey in Bassett wrote:

ronn12 wrote:
Southampton get over it .. The cruise industry owes you nothing you played monopoly for years in this country, and that's why the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton ... Liverpool eventually will be good competition in years to come and your just afraid of that competition. How can I explaine this .... The cruise industry Is like a shop in let's say in London ( Harvey Nichols ) business is booming so they open up shop else where in another city to gain more income they don't stop there.this year Harvey Nichols open 2nd store in Liverpool and so on .. The cruise industry have also applied pressure on the government for Liverpool to be granted turnaround at pier head to increase business and expand ,Liverpool will be a gold mine in years to come and I bet their all rubbing there hands together .... Move on and put your energy in regards to improving your town ....

Do Liverpool know enough about the industry though? With councillers making comments such as (and I quote) "we are in negotiations with Ocean Village" - good bit of research there - LOL! The South is where it's at - Southampton is improving without the need to beg for money from all and sundry - it's all down to pride I guess. Having lived on the Wirral for a good few years I know Liverpool quite well and to be honest I've never known such a materialistic town - probably why the designer outlets such as Harvey Nichols are so happy to be there - where wearing the latest over-priced designer 'brand' takes presidence over the basics of life.

You really are are a very stupid person.

phil maccavity liverpool docks was never nationalise, the shipbuilding industry and repair yards was nationalise

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Personal my self all international ports should be nationalised. so any profit go's to the country and not sit idle in an off shore bank account where they dont pay tax on the interest.

Yeh, can't have all that money sitting around doing nothing, it's much better off in the bank accounts of Union Leaders & Limo liberals. Someone has to pay for the Caviar, it ain't gonna be them is it?

Its better if use in this country so it can pay off our national debt that has been increasing since 1982, or invest into jobs. to much money is sitting in bank accounts doing nothing, when it could be doing good in this country.

phil maccavity wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Have a look at the history of the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board and I quote....

'By the end of the 1960's the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board was sinking fast. The UK Government, which had been bankrolling the loss making company for many years, finally released it into the private sector in 1970, one of ther first of Britain's nationalised businesses to be privatised.
The new company, renamed the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company was listed on the London Stock Exchange without debt as the Government wrote off more than £100m of tax payers money'............

The £100m of debt write off probably correlates to £400-£500m in todays money.
Add in the £2 billion worth of UK/EU grant aid over the past 20 years and Merseyside has done pretty well from the tax payer.
The question is has all the money been used suitably?
All looks good in the glitzy City centre.
Venture further afield to some of the city suburbs and you begin to wonder!!

In ref. to the glitzy city centre, just like any other urban area, here or abroad, you can find economically challenged areas.
How does Southampton stack up in this respect ?
London, for all its obvious wealth, has plenty of these areas.

Get over it Southampton.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

ABP are only interested in making money for their shareholders and since they are registered in a tax haven they don't pay taxes like the rest of us, they have more in common with Jimmy Carr. You could also say that in a way, they are very much subsidised
through their tax avoidance policies.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Nice to see someone keeps it real without the bias of : scousers:
I am a scouser and choose to live down south x WHY x because I want to x constantly bickered at, discriminated against etc etc x but u know what !!!! YOU yes YOU !! your opinion is worth jack sprat in comparison too real life x sick to feckin death of your mightier than thow attitudes x get a grip an grow up x if LPool has broken the law the do em, if not stop burrrrdyyy moaning u southern pounces xx ponces xx

I just got to add that southampton bitched out many years ago xx you will get them all harping on as who owes what an where, but get ya friggin facts right x ABP tax allowances, total domination of southampton waterfront !!!!!!!! ~No culture but just profit !!!!!!!! you jacked up no marks all have an opinion, but at least liverpool puts its peoples rights first xx you shell suit **** lovers need to get the deck over the 80's an focus on quality of life x which after 20 years southampton just can't grasp after next dole check or **** council wages x you all make me want to vomit with whose right or wrong xxBreak a law pay a fine, oh no down south we just whine whine whine, sod the facts or reailty x you so don't deserve to be stuck for 2 hrs on a33 blockages xxc u soft sods, dominated and filmed too x

jazzi wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Nice to see someone keeps it real without the bias of : scousers:
I am a scouser and choose to live down south x WHY x because I want to x constantly bickered at, discriminated against etc etc x but u know what !!!! YOU yes YOU !! your opinion is worth jack sprat in comparison too real life x sick to feckin death of your mightier than thow attitudes x get a grip an grow up x if LPool has broken the law the do em, if not stop burrrrdyyy moaning u southern pounces xx ponces xx

It's about time both of you f*cked off back up there then if it's so wonderful! (don't forget your locking wheel nuts though) - can't trust those little scallywags

andysaints007 wrote:

jazzi wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Nice to see someone keeps it real without the bias of : scousers:
I am a scouser and choose to live down south x WHY x because I want to x constantly bickered at, discriminated against etc etc x but u know what !!!! YOU yes YOU !! your opinion is worth jack sprat in comparison too real life x sick to feckin death of your mightier than thow attitudes x get a grip an grow up x if LPool has broken the law the do em, if not stop burrrrdyyy moaning u southern pounces xx ponces xx

It's about time both of you f*cked off back up there then if it's so wonderful! (don't forget your locking wheel nuts though) - can't trust those little scallywags

Who let you out, little boys f ing and blinding like you shouldn't be allowed on this forum, its for adults who try to keep the arguements civil and orderly, Go back to bed like a good boy.

Liverpool is a substandard port.
It even claimed to process passengers from Ocean Countess recently in, yep get ready for it..record time!!

I heard the passengers were so happy to be back they fell over each other to get off so as they could get some decent grub, a real cup of tea and coffee and a decent English pint of beer.

Lets face it if the cruise started in Liverpool and ended in Liverpool it would have been mostly filled with scousers.
They do not have much luggage and what they have they carry in one or two Tesco plastic bags!
Very easy to explain the quick unloading.

Pay back the dosh you scousers!! and go back to being a second rate ferry port.

Liverpool is a substandard port.
It even claimed to process passengers from Ocean Countess recently in, yep get ready for it..record time!!

I heard the passengers were so happy to be back they fell over each other to get off so as they could get some decent grub, a real cup of tea and coffee and a decent English pint of beer.

Lets face it if the cruise started in Liverpool and ended in Liverpool it would have been mostly filled with scousers.
They do not have much luggage and what they have they carry in one or two Tesco plastic bags!
Very easy to explain the quick unloading.

Pay back the dosh you scousers!! and go back to being a second rate ferry port.

jazzi wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
ABP Southampton and all the other ports within the ABP group were publicly owned and were disposed of to the private sector at a knock down price by government some years ago.
You insist that Southampton has never had any government subsidy of any kind, this back handed subsidy of selling off British assets at knock down prices to the private sector is possibly the biggest subsidy any company can receive.
On top of this government is then blackmailed by private enterprise, to spend vast amounts in expanding rail, road and other infrastructure ( which profits ABP ), if they do not do this then ABP accuses them of everything under the sun. Business's up and down the country receive government assistance in thousands of different ways , righting off the cost of modernising plant to tax relief on investments etc. Don't think that ABP is whiter than white because it isn't, all it is interested in is making money for it's shareholders, the sooner you all realise that the better .

Nice to see someone keeps it real without the bias of : scousers:
I am a scouser and choose to live down south x WHY x because I want to x constantly bickered at, discriminated against etc etc x but u know what !!!! YOU yes YOU !! your opinion is worth jack sprat in comparison too real life x sick to feckin death of your mightier than thow attitudes x get a grip an grow up x if LPool has broken the law the do em, if not stop burrrrdyyy moaning u southern pounces xx ponces xx

For a person living in Liverpool to have a go at our city I can understand it.
But you've chosen to live here & you come out with thee above quote?
Sorry but you have the option to go back to Liverpool if we're so bad don't you?
This city as you so rightfully point out in one of your posts gave up it's water front for jobs sorry can't apologise for that.
It's nice to see people proud of their city no matter which one but you to live here & slate it is wrong so maybe goodbye is in order?

flatulence hero wrote:
Liverpool is a substandard port.
It even claimed to process passengers from Ocean Countess recently in, yep get ready for it..record time!!

I heard the passengers were so happy to be back they fell over each other to get off so as they could get some decent grub, a real cup of tea and coffee and a decent English pint of beer.

Lets face it if the cruise started in Liverpool and ended in Liverpool it would have been mostly filled with scousers.
They do not have much luggage and what they have they carry in one or two Tesco plastic bags!
Very easy to explain the quick unloading.

Pay back the dosh you scousers!! and go back to being a second rate ferry port.

Liverpool did not claim to do anything in record time, the owners of the Ocean Countess stated it was a World record time.
The Ocean Countess DID NOT depart from Liverpool, as you stated.
So your rant against Liverpool people is a reflection on you and your stupidity.
The Ocean Countess arrived from Honfleur, Guernsey and the Scilly Isles.
Passengers from Huddersfield, Bradford and Heywood, near Manchester stated that they would use the terminal again, that it will go from strength and wondered why anyone would want to use Southampton.

should read, go from strength to strength

Passengers from Huddersfield, Bradford and Heywood, near Manchester stated that they would use the terminal again, that it will go from strength and wondered why anyone would want to use Southampton.

Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags.

Never heard of a cruise starting in Honfleur and ending in Liverpool, WOW!!
Must have had some frog scousers on board!!

Pay the money back and shut your gob!!

Chris storey wrote:

Pompey in Bassett wrote:

ronn12 wrote: Southampton get over it .. The cruise industry owes you nothing you played monopoly for years in this country, and that's why the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton ... Liverpool eventually will be good competition in years to come and your just afraid of that competition. How can I explaine this .... The cruise industry Is like a shop in let's say in London ( Harvey Nichols ) business is booming so they open up shop else where in another city to gain more income they don't stop there.this year Harvey Nichols open 2nd store in Liverpool and so on .. The cruise industry have also applied pressure on the government for Liverpool to be granted turnaround at pier head to increase business and expand ,Liverpool will be a gold mine in years to come and I bet their all rubbing there hands together .... Move on and put your energy in regards to improving your town ....

Do Liverpool know enough about the industry though? With councillers making comments such as (and I quote) "we are in negotiations with Ocean Village" - good bit of research there - LOL! The South is where it's at - Southampton is improving without the need to beg for money from all and sundry - it's all down to pride I guess. Having lived on the Wirral for a good few years I know Liverpool quite well and to be honest I've never known such a materialistic town - probably why the designer outlets such as Harvey Nichols are so happy to be there - where wearing the latest over-priced designer 'brand' takes presidence over the basics of life.

You really are are a very stupid person.

Lot of thought went into that replay - well done - very good etc.

flatulence hero wrote:
Passengers from Huddersfield, Bradford and Heywood, near Manchester stated that they would use the terminal again, that it will go from strength and wondered why anyone would want to use Southampton.

Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags.

Never heard of a cruise starting in Honfleur and ending in Liverpool, WOW!!
Must have had some frog scousers on board!!

Pay the money back and shut your gob!!

When you describe any passengers as .............

" Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags. " ........

You really sum up your attitude to any potential passengers who live to the north of Southampton.
My advice to anybody living outside of Southampton who is thinking about going on a cruise is ....

IF THIS IS THEIR ATTITUDE TO PEOPLE THEN SOUTHAMPTON SHOULD BE BOYCOTTED, AS THEY ARE NOT FIT TO HAVE YOUR BUSINESS.

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:
This is an impression of Loosehead nonsense:

Why oh why Can't this useless Tory Govt do something about this? Why did we elect them? What liars i'm sure they promised to put a stop to all this kind if nonsense. Another headline today - £58m owed by foreign diplomats in conjestion charges. Why hasn't David Cameron arranged for them to be dealt with yet? Liars when they say they will 'get a grip' on these kinds if problems..... Liars, why dud anyone vote for them? Blah, blah, blah.....

You stupid Woman! I stand up for this city & it's jobs & all you can do is posts this rubbish?
You're happy to see people lose their jobs so you can get your pay restored you're a disgrace to the trade union movement.
Did you listen to Diamonds speech in which he said Labour ministers were involved in fixing the interest rate?
I would have thought thisv was an all party fight for Southampton & the region as many businesses will go bust if we lose the cruise ships ?
But you don't care do you? you're getting you're pay restored at the cost of someones job you pathetic woman

Careful LH, watch your blood pressure, this was just a tease to wind you up and you took the bait like a hungry fish, calm down, calm down, it's only a storm in tea cup, there is enough Cruise business out there for both Ports, a lot of Northern people really don't want to travel down South to catch their boats and who is to blame them?

ron12 Quote:- "the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton .." Who told you that? 30,000 passengers through the port last week-end, I know it was a special event but nevertheless, no indication of any lowering of the numbers, despite the Costa Concordia disaster which created a blip, it was a short lived drop in numbers.

We love you Liverpool. Have all the ships you want - the world's becoming awash with them.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ron12 Quote:- "the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton .." Who told you that? 30,000 passengers through the port last week-end, I know it was a special event but nevertheless, no indication of any lowering of the numbers, despite the Costa Concordia disaster which created a blip, it was a short lived drop in numbers.

Osprey I have commented on this subject only.
I think the woman is wrong to bring in another subject.
On this subject ( cruise ) no matter what party you vote for if you're supporting the city you live in or pretend to live in ( thinklikealocal from Eastleigh) I will raise my hands up & say well done

Pompey in Bassett wrote:

Chris storey wrote:

Pompey in Bassett wrote:

ronn12 wrote: Southampton get over it .. The cruise industry owes you nothing you played monopoly for years in this country, and that's why the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton ... Liverpool eventually will be good competition in years to come and your just afraid of that competition. How can I explaine this .... The cruise industry Is like a shop in let's say in London ( Harvey Nichols ) business is booming so they open up shop else where in another city to gain more income they don't stop there.this year Harvey Nichols open 2nd store in Liverpool and so on .. The cruise industry have also applied pressure on the government for Liverpool to be granted turnaround at pier head to increase business and expand ,Liverpool will be a gold mine in years to come and I bet their all rubbing there hands together .... Move on and put your energy in regards to improving your town ....

Do Liverpool know enough about the industry though? With councillers making comments such as (and I quote) "we are in negotiations with Ocean Village" - good bit of research there - LOL! The South is where it's at - Southampton is improving without the need to beg for money from all and sundry - it's all down to pride I guess. Having lived on the Wirral for a good few years I know Liverpool quite well and to be honest I've never known such a materialistic town - probably why the designer outlets such as Harvey Nichols are so happy to be there - where wearing the latest over-priced designer 'brand' takes presidence over the basics of life.

You really are are a very stupid person.

Lot of thought went into that replay - well done - very good etc.

Ditto, OAF!

All these people slagging Liverpool off , have you ever lived there ? do you know anything about the place apart from the rubbish you read in the press and watch on TV if you have fair enough , if not get the facts before you start spouting crap on a public forum , buisness is about competition and are you frightend of a bit of competition ? whether Liverpool got funding or not in my view thats just an excuse this comes down to the fact that Southampton think "they are the exclusive cruise capital of the UK and nobody else shall have a bit of the pie" , rubbish any city funded or not should have the right to have start stop cruises as long as they have the right facilities and conditions so wake up and smell the coffee Southampton , Liverpool wont be the last to have start stop cruises.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

flatulence hero wrote:
Passengers from Huddersfield, Bradford and Heywood, near Manchester stated that they would use the terminal again, that it will go from strength and wondered why anyone would want to use Southampton.

Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags.

Never heard of a cruise starting in Honfleur and ending in Liverpool, WOW!!
Must have had some frog scousers on board!!

Pay the money back and shut your gob!!

When you describe any passengers as .............

" Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags. " ........

You really sum up your attitude to any potential passengers who live to the north of Southampton.
My advice to anybody living outside of Southampton who is thinking about going on a cruise is ....

IF THIS IS THEIR ATTITUDE TO PEOPLE THEN SOUTHAMPTON SHOULD BE BOYCOTTED, AS THEY ARE NOT FIT TO HAVE YOUR BUSINESS.

Your Netiquette (i.e. network etiquette) is disgraceful you scouser twit.

My reference is to posting in Capitals, and a full sentence.
This is something which many users found (and still find) unacceptable or rude.

But then you are a scouser, yes and rudeness is in you make up.

There is a second reason why typing all in CAPITALS is frowned upon, and that is lack of readability. Reading text all in CAPITALS is much harder for many people than reading text in sentence case.

Why should you care, you are just an ignorant scouser slagging off Southampton and its people .

Pay the money back and now and leave us Southampton folks alone.

the radical1

Yes l lived in Liverpool for the shortest time possible.
It was hell.
Nicked everything off my car and puked on it most weekends, clowns have no respect at all.

How wonderful to be back in Southampton.

Can't wait for the first pictures of a ship jacked up on bricks !!

Oh dear, you are obviously very worried, and very childish!

andysaints007 , if it is not bolted down or super glued down those scousers will nick it.

True, wait to see the 3 QUUENS in the Pool, they will try and nick the engines and suite furniture.

If you want to see Quuens or Queens in Liverpool go no further than Lime Street Station.
More Queens than you could shake a stick at!!!!

flatulence hero says...
1:34pm Fri 6 Jul 12

Your Netiquette (i.e. network etiquette) is disgraceful you scouser twit.

My reference is to posting in Capitals, and a full sentence.
This is something which many users found (and still find) unacceptable or rude.

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I SHOUT ( the correct term for using capitals ) because it seems to be the only way to get your attention.
With regard to it being rude may I suggest that I have never used disgusting language in all my dealings on this forum, or made nasty comments regarding the people of Southampton. The fact that so many of your local contributors rely on nasty grubby and often obscene comments regarding Liverpudlians and people north of Southampton, that have no substance in reality. Shows the world that you are desperately worried about what will happen over the next few years to your monopoly within the cruise liner business.

I can tell you what will happen , you'll find that your business will shrink, that more cruises will start in Liverpool and other ports. Liverpool will welcome new customers rather than drive them away by insulting them and the
places they come from .


When some of your Southampton contributors describe passengers as ....

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" Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags. " ........

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You really sum up your attitude to any potential passengers who live to the north of Southampton.

Some of you will by your very nature and good manners ( that's a joker by the way ), will destroy the very golden goose that was once your monopoly within the cruise industry.

Homophobic as well as worried and childish, you really are a disturbed sad individual, if you read your recent posts a few times you will understand what a fool you are!
I am sure even some of your grown up fellow citizens would agree.

You are just a stupid boy still fooling around with silly toilet humour that most children grow out of at 7 years old, grow up and make your mummy proud!

Oh c'mon Southampton! Is this really still going on.

There were no restrictions attached to the EU money because, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it for regeneration purposes? To quote Mike Penning,

“The European Commission has never asked for any of this funding back in cases similar to this.”

How silly, for money awarded for regeneration purposes to be paid back just because Southampton, whose cruise business DWARFS that of Liverpool (80% v 3%), and probably will do for many decades, is paranoid about losing business, when the cruise industry generally agrees that Liverpool's Cruise Terminal will, more than likely, help grow the industry as a whole and create more jobs.

Why don't we put the northern cruises customer first for a change and stop trying to hinder their chances of having the option of departing from somewhere that isn't 200 miles or more away.

Cruise passengers want to leave their home and get on board ASAP, not sit in a car or coach for hours on end. Liverpool will be a godsend to them.

How many less people residing south of Birmingham would embark on a cruise, if the only city they could depart from was a five to seven hour drive up to Glasgow?

Some would imagine, quite a few less.

AlwynM wrote:
Oh c'mon Southampton! Is this really still going on.

There were no restrictions attached to the EU money because, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it for regeneration purposes? To quote Mike Penning,

“The European Commission has never asked for any of this funding back in cases similar to this.”

How silly, for money awarded for regeneration purposes to be paid back just because Southampton, whose cruise business DWARFS that of Liverpool (80% v 3%), and probably will do for many decades, is paranoid about losing business, when the cruise industry generally agrees that Liverpool's Cruise Terminal will, more than likely, help grow the industry as a whole and create more jobs.

Why don't we put the northern cruises customer first for a change and stop trying to hinder their chances of having the option of departing from somewhere that isn't 200 miles or more away.

Cruise passengers want to leave their home and get on board ASAP, not sit in a car or coach for hours on end. Liverpool will be a godsend to them.

How many less people residing south of Birmingham would embark on a cruise, if the only city they could depart from was a five to seven hour drive up to Glasgow?

Some would imagine, quite a few less.

Can't you see why we're so annoyed by this?
Penning gave strict instructions that no ship was to use this terminal for start finish until 1/an agreement on repayment was secured( straight away or over 12 years i hope that's right).
2/ the EU would give the okay or say no this is breaking competition rules.
your council switched a ship from Langton & hailed it as the start of cruising from the new terminal at no time did they say it was because of a problem with Langton or did they get the okay from Penning.
that Burke is now saying there's nothing we can do?
the agreement has been broken no money has been paid why not just say sorry permission has been withdrawn & any ship starting or finishing from there would be using illegal facilities & take the councillors involved to court.
this is basically saying you can do what you want & we the Government can't stop you

Hampshire M.P. calling Liverpool's actions a,' Trojan Horse ', minister Mike Penning counters by saying, 'Is it going to have a dramatic effect? , I don't think so'
Mike Penning got it right , all he had to do was look at how many turnaround cruises are scheduled from Liverpool in 2013, which is 15 and compare it to the number from Southampton, which is probably in excess of 350!
This makes the statement by the Port of Southampton, quoted on the BBC Hampshire web site that, 'Southampton port thinks Liverpool has an unfair advantage which will result in losing trade to Merseyside,' as exceedingly ridiculous, given the disparity in turnaround cruises, 15/350+, between the two ports.

arizonan wrote:
Hampshire M.P. calling Liverpool's actions a,' Trojan Horse ', minister Mike Penning counters by saying, 'Is it going to have a dramatic effect? , I don't think so'
Mike Penning got it right , all he had to do was look at how many turnaround cruises are scheduled from Liverpool in 2013, which is 15 and compare it to the number from Southampton, which is probably in excess of 350!
This makes the statement by the Port of Southampton, quoted on the BBC Hampshire web site that, 'Southampton port thinks Liverpool has an unfair advantage which will result in losing trade to Merseyside,' as exceedingly ridiculous, given the disparity in turnaround cruises, 15/350+, between the two ports.

So if that's all why put you're tax payers into so much debt?
please try pulling the other leg if yo're council weren't confident on increasing the amount of ships would they have really done this?

I've just said goodbye to great friends from Liverpool, who have travelled down from the Pool to drop off parents. They even say they would rather travel down a few days before to enjoy an extended break.

Bloomin great laugh we've had all day. Love the accent, great people!

IronLady2010 wrote:
I've just said goodbye to great friends from Liverpool, who have travelled down from the Pool to drop off parents. They even say they would rather travel down a few days before to enjoy an extended break.

Bloomin great laugh we've had all day. Love the accent, great people!

Thank you IronLady2010, you have restored my belief that there are decent, well mannered intelligent people from Southampton who contribute to this forum, without resorting to name calling and foul language.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ron12 Quote:- "the cruise industry is sinking in Southampton .." Who told you that? 30,000 passengers through the port last week-end, I know it was a special event but nevertheless, no indication of any lowering of the numbers, despite the Costa Concordia disaster which created a blip, it was a short lived drop in numbers.

It was a wash out !!! Lol

Like I have said before I have been to Southampton and it was one dump ... And when I say dump I mean dump .. The people are miserable . The one horse town lacks everything even the seagulls have jumped on the next cruise ship back to Liverpool .. There was nothing to do at all there .. The terminal was like a flat pack out of Ikea .. Awful place .. They had a few pubs with sawdust on the floor and Soloon doors .. Once you embarked off the ship there was nothing to do except wait around in the marks and Spencer's cafe drinking endless amounts of tea . Different story when we got to Liverpool ... Wow .. !!! I see why you are all bitter about Liverpool Amazing beautiful city ..modern 21st century lovely terminal backdrop ... You don't have to worry Liverpool the ships clearly want to come home ...

flatulence hero wrote:
andysaints007 , if it is not bolted down or super glued down those scousers will nick it. True, wait to see the 3 QUUENS in the Pool, they will try and nick the engines and suite furniture.

oh dear "flatulence hero" out come the abusive and derogatory comments what an unfortunate and misguided individual you are , Southampton has its fair share of problem areas and problem people so look in your own back yard before putting some of the awful comments you have written.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
I've just said goodbye to great friends from Liverpool, who have travelled down from the Pool to drop off parents. They even say they would rather travel down a few days before to enjoy an extended break.

Bloomin great laugh we've had all day. Love the accent, great people!

Thank you IronLady2010, you have restored my belief that there are decent, well mannered intelligent people from Southampton who contribute to this forum, without resorting to name calling and foul language.

Proud this is from a pro Liverpool supporter
Like I have said before I have been to Southampton and it was one dump ... And when I say dump I mean dump .. The people are miserable . The one horse town lacks everything even the seagulls have jumped on the next cruise ship back to Liverpool .. There was nothing to do at all there .. The terminal was like a flat pack out of Ikea .. Awful place .. They had a few pubs with sawdust on the floor and Soloon doors .. Once you embarked off the ship there was nothing to do except wait around in the marks and Spencer's cafe drinking endless amounts of tea.
I for one have never slated your city or your people just your council.
As you can see from the above their are idiots on both sides of the argument/debate.
This has now turned into a question of Law & exactly what powers Government has.If Penning is telling the truth we can all basically do as we please with out any legal consequences.
if this isn't the case he's lied to this city & it's M.P's & has shown his real intentions on this matter from the start

flatulence hero wrote:
andysaints007 , if it is not bolted down or super glued down those scousers will nick it.

True, wait to see the 3 QUUENS in the Pool, they will try and nick the engines and suite furniture.

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The two individuals quoted above seriously do harm to the good name of Southampton.

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When some of your Southampton contributors describe passengers as ....

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" Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags. " ........

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They really sum up your attitude to any potential passengers who live to the north of Southampton.

Some of you are by your very nature and good manners ( that's a joke by the way ), are destroying the very golden goose that was once your monopoly within the cruise industry. Remember ttreat your customers or future potential customers with respect or you will surely lose them and there are lots of ports especially Liverpool who are more than happy and capable of welcoming them in the future.

It is a disgrase Southampton and other ports have a desent dock as Liverpool you have to go down a steep gangway not suitable for disabled and wheelchairs onto a floating like barge some friends of mine were on the P&O Arcadia last month when she was in doing a round Britain cruise they said that they would never do a cruise from or to Liverpool like other passengers said until they had a proper dockside not on a barge.

Martin Titaniconian wrote:
It is a disgrase Southampton and other ports have a desent dock as Liverpool you have to go down a steep gangway not suitable for disabled and wheelchairs onto a floating like barge some friends of mine were on the P&O Arcadia last month when she was in doing a round Britain cruise they said that they would never do a cruise from or to Liverpool like other passengers said until they had a proper dockside not on a barge.

Could I ask where you & your friends come from?

loosehead wrote:

AlwynM wrote:
Oh c'mon Southampton! Is this really still going on.

There were no restrictions attached to the EU money because, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it for regeneration purposes? To quote Mike Penning,

“The European Commission has never asked for any of this funding back in cases similar to this.”

How silly, for money awarded for regeneration purposes to be paid back just because Southampton, whose cruise business DWARFS that of Liverpool (80% v 3%), and probably will do for many decades, is paranoid about losing business, when the cruise industry generally agrees that Liverpool's Cruise Terminal will, more than likely, help grow the industry as a whole and create more jobs.

Why don't we put the northern cruises customer first for a change and stop trying to hinder their chances of having the option of departing from somewhere that isn't 200 miles or more away.

Cruise passengers want to leave their home and get on board ASAP, not sit in a car or coach for hours on end. Liverpool will be a godsend to them.

How many less people residing south of Birmingham would embark on a cruise, if the only city they could depart from was a five to seven hour drive up to Glasgow?

Some would imagine, quite a few less.

Can't you see why we're so annoyed by this?
Penning gave strict instructions that no ship was to use this terminal for start finish until 1/an agreement on repayment was secured( straight away or over 12 years i hope that's right).
2/ the EU would give the okay or say no this is breaking competition rules.
your council switched a ship from Langton & hailed it as the start of cruising from the new terminal at no time did they say it was because of a problem with Langton or did they get the okay from Penning.
that Burke is now saying there's nothing we can do?
the agreement has been broken no money has been paid why not just say sorry permission has been withdrawn & any ship starting or finishing from there would be using illegal facilities & take the councillors involved to court.
this is basically saying you can do what you want & we the Government can't stop you

Look at the figures. This really is silly.

It's almost the equivalent of a huge department store complaining about the money the corner shop has received to fix a broken window.

Compared to the amount of money sloshing around the EU gravy train or the cost of hosting the Olympic Games?

Pathetic really.

loosehead wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
I've just said goodbye to great friends from Liverpool, who have travelled down from the Pool to drop off parents. They even say they would rather travel down a few days before to enjoy an extended break.

Bloomin great laugh we've had all day. Love the accent, great people!

Thank you IronLady2010, you have restored my belief that there are decent, well mannered intelligent people from Southampton who contribute to this forum, without resorting to name calling and foul language.

Proud this is from a pro Liverpool supporter
Like I have said before I have been to Southampton and it was one dump ... And when I say dump I mean dump .. The people are miserable . The one horse town lacks everything even the seagulls have jumped on the next cruise ship back to Liverpool .. There was nothing to do at all there .. The terminal was like a flat pack out of Ikea .. Awful place .. They had a few pubs with sawdust on the floor and Soloon doors .. Once you embarked off the ship there was nothing to do except wait around in the marks and Spencer's cafe drinking endless amounts of tea.
I for one have never slated your city or your people just your council.
As you can see from the above their are idiots on both sides of the argument/debate.
This has now turned into a question of Law & exactly what powers Government has.If Penning is telling the truth we can all basically do as we please with out any legal consequences.
if this isn't the case he's lied to this city & it's M.P's & has shown his real intentions on this matter from the start

I am not from Southampton or Liverpool .... ???
And am certainly no idiot

ronn12 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
I've just said goodbye to great friends from Liverpool, who have travelled down from the Pool to drop off parents. They even say they would rather travel down a few days before to enjoy an extended break.

Bloomin great laugh we've had all day. Love the accent, great people!

Thank you IronLady2010, you have restored my belief that there are decent, well mannered intelligent people from Southampton who contribute to this forum, without resorting to name calling and foul language.

Proud this is from a pro Liverpool supporter
Like I have said before I have been to Southampton and it was one dump ... And when I say dump I mean dump .. The people are miserable . The one horse town lacks everything even the seagulls have jumped on the next cruise ship back to Liverpool .. There was nothing to do at all there .. The terminal was like a flat pack out of Ikea .. Awful place .. They had a few pubs with sawdust on the floor and Soloon doors .. Once you embarked off the ship there was nothing to do except wait around in the marks and Spencer's cafe drinking endless amounts of tea.
I for one have never slated your city or your people just your council.
As you can see from the above their are idiots on both sides of the argument/debate.
This has now turned into a question of Law & exactly what powers Government has.If Penning is telling the truth we can all basically do as we please with out any legal consequences.
if this isn't the case he's lied to this city & it's M.P's & has shown his real intentions on this matter from the start

I am not from Southampton or Liverpool .... ???
And am certainly no idiot

I asked you before are you from Portsmouth?

ronn12 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
I've just said goodbye to great friends from Liverpool, who have travelled down from the Pool to drop off parents. They even say they would rather travel down a few days before to enjoy an extended break.

Bloomin great laugh we've had all day. Love the accent, great people!

Thank you IronLady2010, you have restored my belief that there are decent, well mannered intelligent people from Southampton who contribute to this forum, without resorting to name calling and foul language.

Proud this is from a pro Liverpool supporter
Like I have said before I have been to Southampton and it was one dump ... And when I say dump I mean dump .. The people are miserable . The one horse town lacks everything even the seagulls have jumped on the next cruise ship back to Liverpool .. There was nothing to do at all there .. The terminal was like a flat pack out of Ikea .. Awful place .. They had a few pubs with sawdust on the floor and Soloon doors .. Once you embarked off the ship there was nothing to do except wait around in the marks and Spencer's cafe drinking endless amounts of tea.
I for one have never slated your city or your people just your council.
As you can see from the above their are idiots on both sides of the argument/debate.
This has now turned into a question of Law & exactly what powers Government has.If Penning is telling the truth we can all basically do as we please with out any legal consequences.
if this isn't the case he's lied to this city & it's M.P's & has shown his real intentions on this matter from the start

I am not from Southampton or Liverpool .... ???
And am certainly no idiot

Looked at posts on SFC & many Portsmouth people go on there just to slate Southampton no matter who they're playing.
Fred Dinage a Pompey man through & through has stated how important Southampton's cruise industry is to the whole region not just the city of Southampton.
I have nothing against Pompey or Liverpool but in every city people like you pop up & should be ignored so real debate can take place

LIVERPOOL’S £20m Cruise Liner Terminal has been rated one of the best in Europe.

Passengers on the cruise liner Grand Princess – which visited last summer – marked Liverpool as the sixth most enjoyable port of call, from 38 destinations, with a score of 87.5 out of 100.

In the passenger satisfaction survey, Liverpool scored the highest out of all UK ports for the question: “Which port most influenced you to book this cruise?”

flatulence hero wrote:
andysaints007 , if it is not bolted down or super glued down those scousers will nick it.

True, wait to see the 3 QUUENS in the Pool, they will try and nick the engines and suite furniture.

LIVERPOOL’S £20m Cruise Liner Terminal has been rated one of the best in Europe.

Passengers on the cruise liner Grand Princess – which visited last summer – marked Liverpool as the sixth most enjoyable port of call, from 38 destinations, with a score of 87.5 out of 100.

In the passenger satisfaction survey, Liverpool scored the highest out of all UK ports for the question: “Which port most influenced you to book this cruise?”
and we hav'nt even started biulding the new terminal yet !!!!

ronn12 wrote:

flatulence hero wrote:
andysaints007 , if it is not bolted down or super glued down those scousers will nick it.

True, wait to see the 3 QUUENS in the Pool, they will try and nick the engines and suite furniture.

LIVERPOOL’S £20m Cruise Liner Terminal has been rated one of the best in Europe.

Passengers on the cruise liner Grand Princess – which visited last summer – marked Liverpool as the sixth most enjoyable port of call, from 38 destinations, with a score of 87.5 out of 100.

In the passenger satisfaction survey, Liverpool scored the highest out of all UK ports for the question: “Which port most influenced you to book this cruise?”
and we hav'nt even started biulding the new terminal yet !!!!

Funny that this is what an above poster thinks of it.
It is a disgrase Southampton and other ports have a desent dock as Liverpool you have to go down a steep gangway not suitable for disabled and wheelchairs onto a floating like barge some friends of mine were on the P&O Arcadia last month when she was in doing a round Britain cruise they said that they would never do a cruise from or to Liverpool like other passengers said until they had a proper dockside not on a barge.
So who rated it as one of the best in Europe?

loosehead wrote:

ronn12 wrote:

flatulence hero wrote:
andysaints007 , if it is not bolted down or super glued down those scousers will nick it.

True, wait to see the 3 QUUENS in the Pool, they will try and nick the engines and suite furniture.

LIVERPOOL’S £20m Cruise Liner Terminal has been rated one of the best in Europe.

Passengers on the cruise liner Grand Princess – which visited last summer – marked Liverpool as the sixth most enjoyable port of call, from 38 destinations, with a score of 87.5 out of 100.

In the passenger satisfaction survey, Liverpool scored the highest out of all UK ports for the question: “Which port most influenced you to book this cruise?”
and we hav'nt even started biulding the new terminal yet !!!!

Funny that this is what an above poster thinks of it.
It is a disgrase Southampton and other ports have a desent dock as Liverpool you have to go down a steep gangway not suitable for disabled and wheelchairs onto a floating like barge some friends of mine were on the P&O Arcadia last month when she was in doing a round Britain cruise they said that they would never do a cruise from or to Liverpool like other passengers said until they had a proper dockside not on a barge.
So who rated it as one of the best in Europe?

Do you actually believe that someone like the clot Martin Titaniconian, who's grasp of the English language, his appalling grammar and complete failure to put a coherent sentence together is worthy of being quoted in a serious grown up discussion? the man is an ignoramus, to quote the likes of him is clutching straws

And as for his friends, they are just a figment of his imagination because the passengers are taken in buses in order to board ship and all the passengers i have seen boarding have been happy and all of them turn round to have a last look at our beautiful waterfront and take many pictures of it.

Wait till you see tomorrows news that Lord Storey, a former Liverpool council leader is demanding the money back so it can be spent on another scheme in beautiful Liverpool, you lot will be frothing at the mouth.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

flatulence hero wrote:
andysaints007 , if it is not bolted down or super glued down those scousers will nick it.

True, wait to see the 3 QUUENS in the Pool, they will try and nick the engines and suite furniture.

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The two individuals quoted above seriously do harm to the good name of Southampton.

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When some of your Southampton contributors describe passengers as ....

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" Yes but they are all thicko's like you scousers, pack luggage in Tesco bags. " ........

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They really sum up your attitude to any potential passengers who live to the north of Southampton.

Some of you are by your very nature and good manners ( that's a joke by the way ), are destroying the very golden goose that was once your monopoly within the cruise industry. Remember ttreat your customers or future potential customers with respect or you will surely lose them and there are lots of ports especially Liverpool who are more than happy and capable of welcoming them in the future.

You sad muppet - are you trying to tell us that everyone in Liverpool is a thoroughly nice person then? No I didn't think so - now please for the last time f*ck off back up there if it's so good!!

phil maccavity wrote:

Who's laughing now wrote:
Liverpool and Wirral join forces to host International Business Festival in 2014

LIVERPOOL and Wirral will host a month-long business expo in 2014 that is expected to see the influx of 500,000 visitors.

The £15m International Business Festival (IBF) is expected to generate £100m for the local economy and create huge exposure for the city.

The expo will be the largest event of its kind in the UK since the Millennium Fair of 2000, held at the Millennium Dome, and the Festival of Britain in 1951.

A cultural programme is also being planned to run alongside the festival, building on the success of the recent Sea Odyssey giant puppet extravaganza.

The government will today announce its backing for the IBF as part of a series of City Deals to help boost the regions of the UK.

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said: “We have held this ambition since returning from (Shanghai’s) World Expo in 2010 and so this is a hugely significant moment in the continuing development of the city and the city region. We also anticipate that hosting this huge event will project a positive image of the region’s business landscape to potential investors and partners in the same way hosting European Capital of Culture in 2008 changed perceptions about Liverpool and our world class attractions.”

Earlier this year Liverpool successfully delivered the Global Entrepreneurship Congress (GEC) which brought 3,500 delegates from 125 countries to the city.

But the IBF will dwarf that four-day event, with exhibition space at three locations on both sides of the waterfront – the Echo Arena and BT Convention Centre, the new International Trade Centre in Wirral, and temporary structures in north Liverpool, known as the North Liverpool Investment Centre.

The sites in Wirral and north Liverpool form part of Peel Holdings’ multi-billion Wirral and Liverpool Waters schemes.


Map of the sites for the International Business Festival

The bid document for the festival enthuses about the possibility to create a viewing platform to show-off the huge development potential of north Liverpool.

Joe Anderson has long held the ambition of building a giant Liver Bird at the top of Everton Brow.

Details of the proposed ‘look out’ for the expo are yet to be finalised.

Two thirds of the £15m cost is expected to come from public sources, with the rest made up of sponsorship from companies.

The project is being led by the city council’s investment and regeneration agency Liverpool Vision’s chief executive Max Steinberg.

He will chair a delivery committee that includes representatives from Liverpool council, Wirral council, UK Trade and Investment, the Department for Business Innovation and Skills (BIS), the Foreign Office, the Cabinet Office, and Peel Holdings.

Mr Steinberg said: “There is no question that the city region has the assets and the expertise to host an event of this scale.

“We have an excellent track record in delivering or contributing to world class events from the International Garden Festival in 1984, through Capital of Culture in 2008, the World Expo in Shanghai in 2010 to the Global Entrepreneurship Congress and Sea Odyssey earlier this year.”

The four weeks of the festival will be themed to match areas identified as potential areas for growth in the region’s economy.

Those themes are low carbon, port and logistics, and knowledge (including life sciences, creative and digital, advanced manufacturing and professional and financial services).

The idea of an international expo was conceived as a key component of the Lord Heseltine and Sir Terry Leahy review into rebalancing the region’s economy.

Wirral council leader Cllr Phil Davies said: “While hosting the International Festival of Business will bring great benefit to our region and the North of England, it will be a festival for the whole of the UK and we will be developing our plans with key national partners to ensure that this event is one to make the region and the nation proud.

“It will help promote our shared vision that the Mersey can once again be a key global trading centre, showcasing enterprise zones and inspiring business in the UK to connect to growth markets and to double UK exports by 2020.

“Wirral is already firmly committed to this action plan as reflected in the progress we have made with the International Trade Centre which will be the first of its kind in the UK and the largest trade centre in Europe.”

Interesting that £10m of the £15m cost will come from 'public sources', otherwise known as tax payers money!!
Hope the money is well spent and not lost like the debacle that was the failed Liverpool Boat Show

Royal Liverpool Hospital rebuild to start next year

(That'll be the third new hospital in a couple of years LOL, oh and a massive BioCampus too boot)

THE department of health has confirmed the timescale for the £450m rebuild of the Royal Liverpool Hospital.

In a Westminster meeting set up by Riverside MP Louise Ellman, health minister Simon Burns told her and MP Luciana Berger that building work is due to start by the end of March or beginning of April next year.

If all goes to plan the work should be completed by Christmas 2016.

Mrs Ellman said: “I am hugely reassured by the firm timetable for completion. The new Royal is vitally important both for improving health services in the city and region, but also for the regeneration of Liverpool.

“Independent analysis show that it will bring jobs and expertise and has a potential impact on the Liverpool economy of £60m a year.

“The inclusion of a world-class bio-medical research facility will underline the city’s reputation for excellence and will strengthen the city’s biomedical sector and Liverpool’s global reputation for scientific excellence.”

Who's laughing now wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

Who's laughing now wrote:
Liverpool and Wirral join forces to host International Business Festival in 2014

LIVERPOOL and Wirral will host a month-long business expo in 2014 that is expected to see the influx of 500,000 visitors.

The £15m International Business Festival (IBF) is expected to generate £100m for the local economy and create huge exposure for the city.

The expo will be the largest event of its kind in the UK since the Millennium Fair of 2000, held at the Millennium Dome, and the Festival of Britain in 1951.

A cultural programme is also being planned to run alongside the festival, building on the success of the recent Sea Odyssey giant puppet extravaganza.

The government will today announce its backing for the IBF as part of a series of City Deals to help boost the regions of the UK.

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said: “We have held this ambition since returning from (Shanghai’s) World Expo in 2010 and so this is a hugely significant moment in the continuing development of the city and the city region. We also anticipate that hosting this huge event will project a positive image of the region’s business landscape to potential investors and partners in the same way hosting European Capital of Culture in 2008 changed perceptions about Liverpool and our world class attractions.”

Earlier this year Liverpool successfully delivered the Global Entrepreneurship Congress (GEC) which brought 3,500 delegates from 125 countries to the city.

But the IBF will dwarf that four-day event, with exhibition space at three locations on both sides of the waterfront – the Echo Arena and BT Convention Centre, the new International Trade Centre in Wirral, and temporary structures in north Liverpool, known as the North Liverpool Investment Centre.

The sites in Wirral and north Liverpool form part of Peel Holdings’ multi-billion Wirral and Liverpool Waters schemes.


Map of the sites for the International Business Festival

The bid document for the festival enthuses about the possibility to create a viewing platform to show-off the huge development potential of north Liverpool.

Joe Anderson has long held the ambition of building a giant Liver Bird at the top of Everton Brow.

Details of the proposed ‘look out’ for the expo are yet to be finalised.

Two thirds of the £15m cost is expected to come from public sources, with the rest made up of sponsorship from companies.

The project is being led by the city council’s investment and regeneration agency Liverpool Vision’s chief executive Max Steinberg.

He will chair a delivery committee that includes representatives from Liverpool council, Wirral council, UK Trade and Investment, the Department for Business Innovation and Skills (BIS), the Foreign Office, the Cabinet Office, and Peel Holdings.

Mr Steinberg said: “There is no question that the city region has the assets and the expertise to host an event of this scale.

“We have an excellent track record in delivering or contributing to world class events from the International Garden Festival in 1984, through Capital of Culture in 2008, the World Expo in Shanghai in 2010 to the Global Entrepreneurship Congress and Sea Odyssey earlier this year.”

The four weeks of the festival will be themed to match areas identified as potential areas for growth in the region’s economy.

Those themes are low carbon, port and logistics, and knowledge (including life sciences, creative and digital, advanced manufacturing and professional and financial services).

The idea of an international expo was conceived as a key component of the Lord Heseltine and Sir Terry Leahy review into rebalancing the region’s economy.

Wirral council leader Cllr Phil Davies said: “While hosting the International Festival of Business will bring great benefit to our region and the North of England, it will be a festival for the whole of the UK and we will be developing our plans with key national partners to ensure that this event is one to make the region and the nation proud.

“It will help promote our shared vision that the Mersey can once again be a key global trading centre, showcasing enterprise zones and inspiring business in the UK to connect to growth markets and to double UK exports by 2020.

“Wirral is already firmly committed to this action plan as reflected in the progress we have made with the International Trade Centre which will be the first of its kind in the UK and the largest trade centre in Europe.”

Interesting that £10m of the £15m cost will come from 'public sources', otherwise known as tax payers money!!
Hope the money is well spent and not lost like the debacle that was the failed Liverpool Boat Show

Royal Liverpool Hospital rebuild to start next year

(That'll be the third new hospital in a couple of years LOL, oh and a massive BioCampus too boot)

THE department of health has confirmed the timescale for the £450m rebuild of the Royal Liverpool Hospital.

In a Westminster meeting set up by Riverside MP Louise Ellman, health minister Simon Burns told her and MP Luciana Berger that building work is due to start by the end of March or beginning of April next year.

If all goes to plan the work should be completed by Christmas 2016.

Mrs Ellman said: “I am hugely reassured by the firm timetable for completion. The new Royal is vitally important both for improving health services in the city and region, but also for the regeneration of Liverpool.

“Independent analysis show that it will bring jobs and expertise and has a potential impact on the Liverpool economy of £60m a year.

“The inclusion of a world-class bio-medical research facility will underline the city’s reputation for excellence and will strengthen the city’s biomedical sector and Liverpool’s global reputation for scientific excellence.”

I hope it all goes well but the Government are reviewing all Hospital builds & the over capacity in hospitals now.
As was shown on the Andrew Marr show many Health authorities were egged on to build more hospitals by Labour.
these would be financed by Private funding in the form of loans.
the authorities went for it but are now so deep in debt due to the repayment terms they couldn't afford to man the new hospitals & they still have empty wards in the existing ones.
I will admit the authority(s) they showed was a London one but good luck

I guess Southampton didn't give Politicians a big enough back hander, so they are powerless to act.I bet if enough money was given then they would be acting...

Bloody hell! The opening ceremony for the olympics costs us £27M alone. £27 millions pounds that is!!!!

Sort of puts things into perspective doesn't it.

Whingers!

AlwynM wrote:
Bloody hell! The opening ceremony for the olympics costs us £27M alone. £27 millions pounds that is!!!!

Sort of puts things into perspective doesn't it.

Whingers!

Sorry but where in Southampton is there an Olympic event?
Bit like saying the North only consists of Liverpool isn't it?

No.

AlwynM wrote:
No.

You speak about the Olympics which are in London & Weymouth as if we the people of Southampton were getting pots of money from it?
Personally I couldn't care if it was being held in Liverpool I feel this is an event to be proud of & should not be bought into the debate on our two port cities

Liverpool 2 project receives £150m European Investment Bank loan

THE Atlantic Gateway project Liverpool 2 at Port Seaforth has received a £150m loan from the European Investment Bank.

Peel Ports new deep river terminal will have the capacity to handle the new larger, post panamax container vessels which are currently unable to dock on Merseyside.

The investment will help realise a project which is expected to bring 5,000 new jobs to Merseyside, remove over 150m miles of road and rail travel and give Seaforth an advantage over other UK ports.

The new port is envisaged to be operational by 2014.

Geoff Muirhead, Chairman of the Atlantic Gateway, said: “News of approval from the EIB of £150m loan for Liverpool 2 at Port Seaforth is great news for the North West of England generally and Liverpool in particular.

“This follows hard on the heels of the Government’s full approval for the construction of the Northern Hub Rail Improvement Project. “These two schemes are part of the Atlantic Gateway Programme and mark a very successful start to the campaign designed to lever massive economic benefit and jobs across the whole of the North West of England.”

Last year Lord Heseltine confirmed that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS) had made a conditional offer to help pay for the deepening of the river bed.

Hundreds of specialised marine construction workers will be drafted in to complete the dredging work.

Gary Hodgson, managing director of the Port of Liverpool, said: “I am delighted that a proposal which will support the financing of the Liverpool 2 project was approved by the European Investment Bank .”

Thank EU.