Graveyard caretaker Jim Emery forced out of his home at Hollybrook Cemetery in Southampton

Daily Echo: Jim Emery and wife Lorayne Jim Emery and wife Lorayne

IT is probably not the job for most people, but one that has been Jim Emery’s pride and joy for 26 years.

The grandfather-of-three has been the long-serving public face of Southampton ’s largest cemetery.

He has been available day and night as a friendly face and listening ear to grieving relatives or visitors searching for family or famous headstones among its 53,000 graves.

Throughout that time Jim has made his family home the lodge house at the gates of Hollybrook Cemetery as part of his appointment as the city’s cemetery superintendent.

Jim, 60, had been looking forward to spending the rest of his working days at the lodge with his wife Lorayne, and their six-year old pet dog Honey.

But after a total of 42 years of loyal service, much of it beyond the call of duty, he is now facing eviction after the city council “deleted” his job.

Under council budget cuts Jim will be made redundant and dismissed on October 5 and will lose the four-bed house that came with his job for a nominal rent.

Jim said it came as a “real kick in the teeth” just a few years before he planned to retire.

Over the years he has greeted thousands of visitors, and has become well respected by clergy and funeral directors as well as the traveller community who use the cemetery.

He was even entrusted by Benny Hill to keep an eye on his parents’ graves before the comedian himself was laid to rest in the cemetery.

Jim said he had “reluctantly” accepted his job was gone but had offered to continue to open and close the cemetery gates and nearby toilets and maintain a presence in the cemetery to deter vandals, without payment, if the council will let him continue to live at the lodge at a reduced rent.

But council chiefs refused the offer and the Emerys now face an uncertain future in a smaller property somewhere else in the city.

The decision has sparked worldwide support for Jim.

An Internet campaign condemning the council decision has already notched up over 1,900 supporters and its website page received 90,000 visitors from around the world.

Council chiefs have also been deluged with angry emails calling for a rethink.

Jim’s daughter, Lisa Whitmore, said her parents were devastated.

“My dad is the most private person. The only time I’ve ever seen him show any emotion was when I got married.

“But this has broken him inside. He’s never known anything different. They’ve just thrown him in the rubbish bin.”

Lisa, 36, said that to add insult to injury the council had offered to redeploy him as a gravedigger – a job he was doing when he was 18.

Jim said he had also been offered positions as a traffic warden, a CCTV operator and a school caretaker, but didn’t feel he was suitable.

“I’m 60. I’ve worked here all my life. This is all I know”, he said.

Lorayne, 64, who works at the nearby Spire hospital, said her husband had dedicated his working – and a lot of his home – life to the people of Southampton.

She said: “We’ve lived and breathed this place for 26 years. We’ve been privileged to live here. We’ve looked after the house, looked after the visitors. We are the face of the council.

“As far as Jim is aware there are no plans for the house so why throw us out when he can still contribute and is still willing to help with the upkeep of this very special place.”

The council is pressing ahead with its plans to rehouse the Emerys and has offered the equivalent of six-months’ salary – around £11,000 – as a redundancy package.

The couple have been shown a two-bed first floor flat at an old people’s housing scheme, but politely declined it.

Mr Emery’s job was cut in this year’s council budget, set by the previous Conservative administration in February.

It will save the council’s bereavement services around £25,000 a year.

A Southampton City Council spokesman said: “With the use of new technology and the necessary presence of other council staff at burials and at other times to maintain the grounds, it was decided that the service could be maintained in the absence of a cemetery supervisor.

“This difficult decision was taken against an urgent need for the council to save money. We have worked with this member of staff to explore opportunities for redeployment and continue to do so.”

She added a number of options were being considered for the future use of the cemetery lodge.

Cabinet member for environment and transport Councillor Asa Thorpe is due to meet Mr Emery on Monday to discuss “future employment and accommodation opportunities”.

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10:04am Thu 9 Aug 12

forestexbury says...

Disgusting..........
. I know how he feels, they axed my job as well and I offered to work part time, reduced salary but no.........
Disgusting.......... . I know how he feels, they axed my job as well and I offered to work part time, reduced salary but no......... forestexbury
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10:17am Thu 9 Aug 12

rudolph_hucker says...

What a bunch of ***ts.
What a bunch of ***ts. rudolph_hucker
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10:37am Thu 9 Aug 12

uniboy says...

this is a disgrace! Jim has 4 yrs left before retirement and they want to make him redundant how much will that cost the tax payer? would it not be cheaper to keep him on even if they were to except his proposal to reduce his hours that would reduce cost we all know the council have to save money but some times you have to spend money to save money! this is not the way forward good luck Jim hope these
council chiefs remember who voted them in! this is the time they should be looking at better ways of saving money
or they would be seen as bad as the last council cut,cut ,cut
this is a disgrace! Jim has 4 yrs left before retirement and they want to make him redundant how much will that cost the tax payer? would it not be cheaper to keep him on even if they were to except his proposal to reduce his hours that would reduce cost we all know the council have to save money but some times you have to spend money to save money! this is not the way forward good luck Jim hope these council chiefs remember who voted them in! this is the time they should be looking at better ways of saving money or they would be seen as bad as the last council cut,cut ,cut uniboy
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10:41am Thu 9 Aug 12

ajw1986 says...

Very unfair to treat someone who has done so much for the whole community in this way. What a great city council we have eh?
Very unfair to treat someone who has done so much for the whole community in this way. What a great city council we have eh? ajw1986
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10:41am Thu 9 Aug 12

Walter K says...

Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize. Walter K
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10:47am Thu 9 Aug 12

mtdiablo says...

outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better.

as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect
outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better. as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect mtdiablo
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11:01am Thu 9 Aug 12

pinkie55 says...

Absolutely disgusting!! This man has dedicated his life to his job and now gets treated like a piece of leftover rubbish!! Its time people took a stand to fight for the good things in this world.
The council could save money in other areas - a small paycut in their own salaries maybe?
Absolutely disgusting!! This man has dedicated his life to his job and now gets treated like a piece of leftover rubbish!! Its time people took a stand to fight for the good things in this world. The council could save money in other areas - a small paycut in their own salaries maybe? pinkie55
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11:10am Thu 9 Aug 12

bigfella777 says...

I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation.
My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen.
Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world. bigfella777
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11:12am Thu 9 Aug 12

BenjiWinsor says...

This family would need to leave this house in a few short years anyway. The council are offering them new accommodation which in fact they may not be entitled to, so the council are doing more than they legally need to as they recognise the upset this will cause the couple. I hope that rather that dwell on anger and bitterness, they will instead see the possibilities and the future and look forward to that and that a home will be offered where they can settle and be happy.
This family would need to leave this house in a few short years anyway. The council are offering them new accommodation which in fact they may not be entitled to, so the council are doing more than they legally need to as they recognise the upset this will cause the couple. I hope that rather that dwell on anger and bitterness, they will instead see the possibilities and the future and look forward to that and that a home will be offered where they can settle and be happy. BenjiWinsor
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11:12am Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

Walter K wrote:
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
Walter - How can you strip away the sentimentality? They have built their life around Jim's position to care for others, beyond his job description. His family have grown up in that home, and as stated by his previous boss, and I quote: 'The council will look after you'!

The Lodge in which they live, has been upgraded at their own expense, and cared for their home as you and I would on a mortgaged property.

This is about LOYALTY. 42 years as a council employee, and 24 years looking after the cemetery.

It is not about their lack of 'desire' to downsize.

I would like to know what 'options' of use the council are considering?
[quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.[/p][/quote]Walter - How can you strip away the sentimentality? They have built their life around Jim's position to care for others, beyond his job description. His family have grown up in that home, and as stated by his previous boss, and I quote: 'The council will look after you'! The Lodge in which they live, has been upgraded at their own expense, and cared for their home as you and I would on a mortgaged property. This is about LOYALTY. 42 years as a council employee, and 24 years looking after the cemetery. It is not about their lack of 'desire' to downsize. I would like to know what 'options' of use the council are considering? Pinguboy
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11:14am Thu 9 Aug 12

Northamboy says...

Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing!

He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion.

SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools.
Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing! He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion. SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools. Northamboy
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11:15am Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation.
My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen.
Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge? Pinguboy
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11:17am Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

BenjiWinsor wrote:
This family would need to leave this house in a few short years anyway. The council are offering them new accommodation which in fact they may not be entitled to, so the council are doing more than they legally need to as they recognise the upset this will cause the couple. I hope that rather that dwell on anger and bitterness, they will instead see the possibilities and the future and look forward to that and that a home will be offered where they can settle and be happy.
Benji, they would not have to leave the home in a few short years, as the position has been made redundant, so the property will remain empty.

Unless..............
It is being sold off to developers to make up the £15m shortfall!!
[quote][p][bold]BenjiWinsor[/bold] wrote: This family would need to leave this house in a few short years anyway. The council are offering them new accommodation which in fact they may not be entitled to, so the council are doing more than they legally need to as they recognise the upset this will cause the couple. I hope that rather that dwell on anger and bitterness, they will instead see the possibilities and the future and look forward to that and that a home will be offered where they can settle and be happy.[/p][/quote]Benji, they would not have to leave the home in a few short years, as the position has been made redundant, so the property will remain empty. Unless.............. It is being sold off to developers to make up the £15m shortfall!! Pinguboy
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11:18am Thu 9 Aug 12

freefinker says...

Walter K wrote:
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
.. yep, think that's about it.

No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package.

However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck.

He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense.
[quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.[/p][/quote].. yep, think that's about it. No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package. However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck. He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense. freefinker
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11:18am Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

Northamboy wrote:
Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing!

He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion.

SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools.
Here here!!!
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing! He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion. SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools.[/p][/quote]Here here!!! Pinguboy
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11:20am Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

freefinker wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
.. yep, think that's about it.

No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package.

However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck.

He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense.
42 years of service, and a £11,000 pay off??


Yep that's a massive payout for all those years and loyalty!
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.[/p][/quote].. yep, think that's about it. No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package. However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck. He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense.[/p][/quote]42 years of service, and a £11,000 pay off?? Yep that's a massive payout for all those years and loyalty! Pinguboy
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11:23am Thu 9 Aug 12

bigfella777 says...

Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation.
My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen.
Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
[quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers. bigfella777
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11:27am Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation.
My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen.
Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
Oh right, I thought you said your father worked the same Job as Jim, my mistake.

But Jim has paid rent no different then any other council resident.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]Oh right, I thought you said your father worked the same Job as Jim, my mistake. But Jim has paid rent no different then any other council resident. Pinguboy
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11:37am Thu 9 Aug 12

ohec says...

It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.
It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy. ohec
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11:44am Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets!
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets! benkirk78
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11:46am Thu 9 Aug 12

freefinker says...

Pinguboy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
.. yep, think that's about it.

No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package.

However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck.

He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense.
42 years of service, and a £11,000 pay off??


Yep that's a massive payout for all those years and loyalty!
.. well, we don’t know what his wage was, but £11,000 represents statutory redundancy pay on an income of circa £20,000.

So, perhaps not very generous if he was on 20K, but that may have been compensated for by his retirement package. Also, I don’t think a caretaker in the private sector would command such a salary.
[quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.[/p][/quote].. yep, think that's about it. No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package. However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck. He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense.[/p][/quote]42 years of service, and a £11,000 pay off?? Yep that's a massive payout for all those years and loyalty![/p][/quote].. well, we don’t know what his wage was, but £11,000 represents statutory redundancy pay on an income of circa £20,000. So, perhaps not very generous if he was on 20K, but that may have been compensated for by his retirement package. Also, I don’t think a caretaker in the private sector would command such a salary. freefinker
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11:48am Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

ohec wrote:
It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.
I understand your sentiments 'ohec'

But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services.

Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them?

I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community.

Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime.

Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!!
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.[/p][/quote]I understand your sentiments 'ohec' But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services. Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them? I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community. Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime. Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!! Pinguboy
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11:51am Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

I'll always feel sympathetic to redundency however this has been glossed with sentiment and pity when the facts are he is being very well supported.
He has been offered a new place to live and various other job roles. Why is a school caretaker role not suitable??
Its quite clear what this is really about is that he doesnt want to move from his spacious, fairly grand home that he pays next to nothing for so in order to try and resist he is turning down suitable jobs and suitable accomodation.
As I said, it IS sad but get real. People do get made redundent (especially in this day and age) but they dont get to keep the benefits of the job they no longer do.
I bet the 600 people leaving British Gas this month would love to be offered cheap rent / a new job!
I'll always feel sympathetic to redundency however this has been glossed with sentiment and pity when the facts are he is being very well supported. He has been offered a new place to live and various other job roles. Why is a school caretaker role not suitable?? Its quite clear what this is really about is that he doesnt want to move from his spacious, fairly grand home that he pays next to nothing for so in order to try and resist he is turning down suitable jobs and suitable accomodation. As I said, it IS sad but get real. People do get made redundent (especially in this day and age) but they dont get to keep the benefits of the job they no longer do. I bet the 600 people leaving British Gas this month would love to be offered cheap rent / a new job! benkirk78
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11:55am Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

Pinguboy wrote:
ohec wrote: It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.
I understand your sentiments 'ohec' But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services. Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them? I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community. Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime. Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!!
Sorry to bring you back into reality but I'm not sure the City / County / Country can support people just carrying on in the jobs that are no longer required just because they are 'nice' and 'people like them'...

He clearly did a good job and is a lovely gentleman but I'm certain he can still be those things bringing joy to a local school as a caretaker?
[quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.[/p][/quote]I understand your sentiments 'ohec' But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services. Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them? I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community. Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime. Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!![/p][/quote]Sorry to bring you back into reality but I'm not sure the City / County / Country can support people just carrying on in the jobs that are no longer required just because they are 'nice' and 'people like them'... He clearly did a good job and is a lovely gentleman but I'm certain he can still be those things bringing joy to a local school as a caretaker? benkirk78
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12:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mr. Ducke says...

I think the point some of the commenters here are missing is how beneficial it is to the public to have someone present around the clock in a cemetery, someone who knows and cares for it, and for the families of those buried there. Every day, it seems, the papers are filled with stories of vandalism, theft and disrespectful partying in cemeteries. Much of that is due to the elimination of positions such as this one.
I think the point some of the commenters here are missing is how beneficial it is to the public to have someone present around the clock in a cemetery, someone who knows and cares for it, and for the families of those buried there. Every day, it seems, the papers are filled with stories of vandalism, theft and disrespectful partying in cemeteries. Much of that is due to the elimination of positions such as this one. Mr. Ducke
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12:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

benkirk78 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
ohec wrote: It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.
I understand your sentiments 'ohec' But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services. Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them? I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community. Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime. Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!!
Sorry to bring you back into reality but I'm not sure the City / County / Country can support people just carrying on in the jobs that are no longer required just because they are 'nice' and 'people like them'...

He clearly did a good job and is a lovely gentleman but I'm certain he can still be those things bringing joy to a local school as a caretaker?
because that would take him going on special courses to meet thoose requirments , and he has never had any experience in plumbing which is needed as well as others and i know that as his grandson
[quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.[/p][/quote]I understand your sentiments 'ohec' But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services. Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them? I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community. Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime. Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!![/p][/quote]Sorry to bring you back into reality but I'm not sure the City / County / Country can support people just carrying on in the jobs that are no longer required just because they are 'nice' and 'people like them'... He clearly did a good job and is a lovely gentleman but I'm certain he can still be those things bringing joy to a local school as a caretaker?[/p][/quote]because that would take him going on special courses to meet thoose requirments , and he has never had any experience in plumbing which is needed as well as others and i know that as his grandson charliesaint123
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12:12pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

this is to update people commenting claiming " oh its okay there given new accomadation" its not as they were offered a flat where they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they have had since she was a puppy and to someone who has served in the councill that long and done things like shut the gates clean and look after the toilets which he wasnt even payed for doing then he should have a much better choice i know this is as im there grandson
this is to update people commenting claiming " oh its okay there given new accomadation" its not as they were offered a flat where they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they have had since she was a puppy and to someone who has served in the councill that long and done things like shut the gates clean and look after the toilets which he wasnt even payed for doing then he should have a much better choice i know this is as im there grandson charliesaint123
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12:14pm Thu 9 Aug 12

hulla baloo says...

Mr. Ducke wrote:
I think the point some of the commenters here are missing is how beneficial it is to the public to have someone present around the clock in a cemetery, someone who knows and cares for it, and for the families of those buried there. Every day, it seems, the papers are filled with stories of vandalism, theft and disrespectful partying in cemeteries. Much of that is due to the elimination of positions such as this one.
Maybe those families with familes buried there can pay a monthly/annual for to a security company.
[quote][p][bold]Mr. Ducke[/bold] wrote: I think the point some of the commenters here are missing is how beneficial it is to the public to have someone present around the clock in a cemetery, someone who knows and cares for it, and for the families of those buried there. Every day, it seems, the papers are filled with stories of vandalism, theft and disrespectful partying in cemeteries. Much of that is due to the elimination of positions such as this one.[/p][/quote]Maybe those families with familes buried there can pay a monthly/annual for to a security company. hulla baloo
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12:16pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

benkirk78 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
ohec wrote: It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.
I understand your sentiments 'ohec' But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services. Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them? I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community. Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime. Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!!
Sorry to bring you back into reality but I'm not sure the City / County / Country can support people just carrying on in the jobs that are no longer required just because they are 'nice' and 'people like them'...

He clearly did a good job and is a lovely gentleman but I'm certain he can still be those things bringing joy to a local school as a caretaker?
I fully understand that some are stripping away the 'sentiment' of this plight.

However, presidents have been made for other 'council workers' to continue within their home after retirement, why should this not be any different?

I do like a good balanced debate though.

As for caretakers job, 'must have carpentry skills'. One thing that Jim does not have.

One a side not, I have just read on the Facebook Page:

'Hello, I thought I'd share my comments to the Echo which I have also copied to Councillors Thomas, Payne and Morrell.

I'd like to add my voice to the current situation at Hollybrook Cemetery. I'm extremely concerned about the Council's proposals on two issues.

Firstly, I live near to the cemetery and have always felt that Jim has carried out his duties to the highest standards. By his living in the house at Hollybrook, Jim and Lorayne have provided additional security for this site and for the graves of our families and friends.

My second point is that I strongly believe that the Council has a much bigger financial motive than just saving on the salary of one employee. There would obviously be a large capital gain if the house was to be sold, either as it is or for redevelopment. The lodge and jewish mortuary at the Southampton Cemetery on the Common were sold by sealed auction by the Council a few years back and reached a very tidy sum. I defy any of the councillors or council officers to deny that the eventual sale of the Hollybrook Lodge is not part of their plan.

I hope this helps, and I hope that the Council responds quickly.'
[quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: It does seem very hard but i am afraid that is the world we live in now, but rather than get bitter about it i think they should treat it as a challenge a new start, as getting bitter will only spoil their lives and when you get to the twilight years everyday is too important to be unhappy.[/p][/quote]I understand your sentiments 'ohec' But forced out of their home.....Forced redundancy after 42 years in bereavement services. Ask anyone who has family buried at the cemetery what Jim Emery means to them? I have also been informed, that prior to this news breaking, Jim had been nominated for an MBE for services to the community. Well, if accepted, what a bitter coating by the council not to overturn a decision by the previous regime. Labour have a real chance to come out smelling like roses!!![/p][/quote]Sorry to bring you back into reality but I'm not sure the City / County / Country can support people just carrying on in the jobs that are no longer required just because they are 'nice' and 'people like them'... He clearly did a good job and is a lovely gentleman but I'm certain he can still be those things bringing joy to a local school as a caretaker?[/p][/quote]I fully understand that some are stripping away the 'sentiment' of this plight. However, presidents have been made for other 'council workers' to continue within their home after retirement, why should this not be any different? I do like a good balanced debate though. As for caretakers job, 'must have carpentry skills'. One thing that Jim does not have. One a side not, I have just read on the Facebook Page: 'Hello, I thought I'd share my comments to the Echo which I have also copied to Councillors Thomas, Payne and Morrell. I'd like to add my voice to the current situation at Hollybrook Cemetery. I'm extremely concerned about the Council's proposals on two issues. Firstly, I live near to the cemetery and have always felt that Jim has carried out his duties to the highest standards. By his living in the house at Hollybrook, Jim and Lorayne have provided additional security for this site and for the graves of our families and friends. My second point is that I strongly believe that the Council has a much bigger financial motive than just saving on the salary of one employee. There would obviously be a large capital gain if the house was to be sold, either as it is or for redevelopment. The lodge and jewish mortuary at the Southampton Cemetery on the Common were sold by sealed auction by the Council a few years back and reached a very tidy sum. I defy any of the councillors or council officers to deny that the eventual sale of the Hollybrook Lodge is not part of their plan. I hope this helps, and I hope that the Council responds quickly.' Pinguboy
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12:21pm Thu 9 Aug 12

commnurse says...

It's all very sad that this man is being made redundant but come people of Southampton... Read between the lines! He is living in a 4 bedroom house with his wife and his dog when there are families in Southampton crammed into inadequate housing. He's had plenty of other job offers and the council have clearly tried to help this man, but he's digging his heels in. Surely if he's lived there all his working life then he knew this day would come, I'm sure he's been offered some sort of financial recompense so in this day and age that's a lot more than some people get.
It's all very sad that this man is being made redundant but come people of Southampton... Read between the lines! He is living in a 4 bedroom house with his wife and his dog when there are families in Southampton crammed into inadequate housing. He's had plenty of other job offers and the council have clearly tried to help this man, but he's digging his heels in. Surely if he's lived there all his working life then he knew this day would come, I'm sure he's been offered some sort of financial recompense so in this day and age that's a lot more than some people get. commnurse
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12:24pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

benkirk78 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets!
i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts
[quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets![/p][/quote]i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts charliesaint123
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12:28pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

commnurse wrote:
It's all very sad that this man is being made redundant but come people of Southampton... Read between the lines! He is living in a 4 bedroom house with his wife and his dog when there are families in Southampton crammed into inadequate housing. He's had plenty of other job offers and the council have clearly tried to help this man, but he's digging his heels in. Surely if he's lived there all his working life then he knew this day would come, I'm sure he's been offered some sort of financial recompense so in this day and age that's a lot more than some people get.
see thats where your wrong ..he has had job offers but they consist of grave digging which he first done when he was 18 and started the job..he is now 60 .the new flat they have been offered they would not be able to take there dog and 11,000 pound which is six months pay for redundancy package so before commenting learn the full story ..what might make you do that is looking up"hollybrook cemetery redundancy" and you will then know the in depth details of what the council have offered
[quote][p][bold]commnurse[/bold] wrote: It's all very sad that this man is being made redundant but come people of Southampton... Read between the lines! He is living in a 4 bedroom house with his wife and his dog when there are families in Southampton crammed into inadequate housing. He's had plenty of other job offers and the council have clearly tried to help this man, but he's digging his heels in. Surely if he's lived there all his working life then he knew this day would come, I'm sure he's been offered some sort of financial recompense so in this day and age that's a lot more than some people get.[/p][/quote]see thats where your wrong ..he has had job offers but they consist of grave digging which he first done when he was 18 and started the job..he is now 60 .the new flat they have been offered they would not be able to take there dog and 11,000 pound which is six months pay for redundancy package so before commenting learn the full story ..what might make you do that is looking up"hollybrook cemetery redundancy" and you will then know the in depth details of what the council have offered charliesaint123
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12:37pm Thu 9 Aug 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
.. yep, think that's about it.

No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package.

However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck.

He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense.
The Torys had plans to sell off Cemetery to private hands or put it out to contractors to run, it seems that this Labour council is going to carry on with the Ex-Tory Council plans.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.[/p][/quote].. yep, think that's about it. No doubt being offered a good redundancy and retirement package. However, what will become of the Lodge? No doubt it will be sold off like the one in the Old Cemetery. That is probably the real reason all this is happening – a bit of ‘selling off the family silver’ for a quick buck. He may have been a Tory but old SuperMac did make quite a lot of sense.[/p][/quote]The Torys had plans to sell off Cemetery to private hands or put it out to contractors to run, it seems that this Labour council is going to carry on with the Ex-Tory Council plans. southy
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12:37pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

benkirk78 wrote:
I'll always feel sympathetic to redundency however this has been glossed with sentiment and pity when the facts are he is being very well supported.
He has been offered a new place to live and various other job roles. Why is a school caretaker role not suitable??
Its quite clear what this is really about is that he doesnt want to move from his spacious, fairly grand home that he pays next to nothing for so in order to try and resist he is turning down suitable jobs and suitable accomodation.
As I said, it IS sad but get real. People do get made redundent (especially in this day and age) but they dont get to keep the benefits of the job they no longer do.
I bet the 600 people leaving British Gas this month would love to be offered cheap rent / a new job!
find out the whole story because to the people that do know the whole story you are making yourself look idiotic you can do that by looking up the campain on facebook called "hollybrook cemetery redundancy"
[quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: I'll always feel sympathetic to redundency however this has been glossed with sentiment and pity when the facts are he is being very well supported. He has been offered a new place to live and various other job roles. Why is a school caretaker role not suitable?? Its quite clear what this is really about is that he doesnt want to move from his spacious, fairly grand home that he pays next to nothing for so in order to try and resist he is turning down suitable jobs and suitable accomodation. As I said, it IS sad but get real. People do get made redundent (especially in this day and age) but they dont get to keep the benefits of the job they no longer do. I bet the 600 people leaving British Gas this month would love to be offered cheap rent / a new job![/p][/quote]find out the whole story because to the people that do know the whole story you are making yourself look idiotic you can do that by looking up the campain on facebook called "hollybrook cemetery redundancy" charliesaint123
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12:42pm Thu 9 Aug 12

gillyman says...

what has changed to make this redundancy necessary have people stopped dying cctv will not prevent vandalism and i suppose the police will say there will be regular patrols(haha) but police and cctv cost money remember your councillors the next time you vote
what has changed to make this redundancy necessary have people stopped dying cctv will not prevent vandalism and i suppose the police will say there will be regular patrols(haha) but police and cctv cost money remember your councillors the next time you vote gillyman
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12:45pm Thu 9 Aug 12

southy says...

mtdiablo wrote:
outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better.

as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect
Can't be done mtdiablo, its the right that wants to makes cuts and not invest, while the left wants to invest and keep people in there jobs so they are able to carry on spending in the local economy.
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better. as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect[/p][/quote]Can't be done mtdiablo, its the right that wants to makes cuts and not invest, while the left wants to invest and keep people in there jobs so they are able to carry on spending in the local economy. southy
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12:47pm Thu 9 Aug 12

sass says...

Northamboy wrote:
Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing! He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion. SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools.
yada yada yada, blah blah blah.
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing! He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion. SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools.[/p][/quote]yada yada yada, blah blah blah. sass
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12:48pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

gillyman wrote:
what has changed to make this redundancy necessary have people stopped dying cctv will not prevent vandalism and i suppose the police will say there will be regular patrols(haha) but police and cctv cost money remember your councillors the next time you vote
finally someone who knows what they are going on about whenever there are crimes in the cemetery my grandad would sort it himself as the public services are useless when it comes down to security espescialy the police ...and if it wasnt for him having a bond with all the visitors then there would be a lot of trouble but where evreyone knows him they no and have respect ...what will happen if he has to move eh
[quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: what has changed to make this redundancy necessary have people stopped dying cctv will not prevent vandalism and i suppose the police will say there will be regular patrols(haha) but police and cctv cost money remember your councillors the next time you vote[/p][/quote]finally someone who knows what they are going on about whenever there are crimes in the cemetery my grandad would sort it himself as the public services are useless when it comes down to security espescialy the police ...and if it wasnt for him having a bond with all the visitors then there would be a lot of trouble but where evreyone knows him they no and have respect ...what will happen if he has to move eh charliesaint123
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12:55pm Thu 9 Aug 12

mtdiablo says...

i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with.
i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with. mtdiablo
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12:58pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bell14 says...

This is a very sad story of a great man how can scc treat a man like this he helps people hes very caring and he does a brill job at hollybrook where would hollybrook be with out jim keep this man in his job and his home
scc you should all be ashamed of your self as this is no way to treat a man of 60 years old and to put jim under a lot of stress how dare you well were all fight on for him no matter what
This is a very sad story of a great man how can scc treat a man like this he helps people hes very caring and he does a brill job at hollybrook where would hollybrook be with out jim keep this man in his job and his home scc you should all be ashamed of your self as this is no way to treat a man of 60 years old and to put jim under a lot of stress how dare you well were all fight on for him no matter what bell14
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1:02pm Thu 9 Aug 12

townieboy says...

so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry.
so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry. townieboy
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1:03pm Thu 9 Aug 12

townieboy says...

so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry.
so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry. townieboy
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1:03pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bigfella777 says...

75 % of people are cremated after death now and Hollybrook cemetery is pretty much full now apart from the horses fields.If people are not getting buried there then they dont need a superintendent obviously.
75 % of people are cremated after death now and Hollybrook cemetery is pretty much full now apart from the horses fields.If people are not getting buried there then they dont need a superintendent obviously. bigfella777
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1:04pm Thu 9 Aug 12

townieboy says...

so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry.
so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry. townieboy
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1:04pm Thu 9 Aug 12

townieboy says...

so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry.
so hes been offered £11000, another job, and a place to live. Wass all the fuss about. ? Hes just a number like the rest of us. Move out and move on. Have some good holidays with the 11K and forget about the cemetry. townieboy
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1:05pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

ok then so just re house the dog they love and have had for 6 years then yeah ??
ok then so just re house the dog they love and have had for 6 years then yeah ?? charliesaint123
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1:06pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
75 % of people are cremated after death now and Hollybrook cemetery is pretty much full now apart from the horses fields.If people are not getting buried there then they dont need a superintendent obviously.
well they need to look after the graves you fool ?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: 75 % of people are cremated after death now and Hollybrook cemetery is pretty much full now apart from the horses fields.If people are not getting buried there then they dont need a superintendent obviously.[/p][/quote]well they need to look after the graves you fool ? charliesaint123
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1:08pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

As this job cut was decided by Tories and has been implemented by NuLabour it may not be Labour Vs Tories issue.

But it illustrates the priorities of our local Council, exposes its hypocrisy and immorality.

Over the years same Council has been increasing funeral charges, often well above rate of inflation. Thus financially exploiting people when they are emotionally most vulnerable and unfortunate victims of laws of nature.

Now they are doing away with job of looking after this cemetery. So when we read about yobs damaging graves, we should remember who to blame.

When crazy Council is only interesting in making profits out of tragedies, Jim Emery has shown real face of humanity, by offering to keep on looking after the place provided he is allowed to live in the house.

Is our Council collectively so stupid that it can't see sense in what Jim Emery has offered? Or Councillors are only interested in their own eg and thousands of pounds they themselves get? Have these arrogant idiots forgotten that civilised people may not always get on well but tend to respect the dead and their last resting place.

I am glad that I won't end in this cemetery near my home, because my body will be donated as spare parts for medical research.

SHAME ON SOTON COUNCIL WHICH IS PICKS UPON KIDS BY CLOSING THEIR SWIMMING POOL AND IGNORES LAST RESTING PLACES OF DEAD...
As this job cut was decided by Tories and has been implemented by NuLabour it may not be Labour Vs Tories issue. But it illustrates the priorities of our local Council, exposes its hypocrisy and immorality. Over the years same Council has been increasing funeral charges, often well above rate of inflation. Thus financially exploiting people when they are emotionally most vulnerable and unfortunate victims of laws of nature. Now they are doing away with job of looking after this cemetery. So when we read about yobs damaging graves, we should remember who to blame. When crazy Council is only interesting in making profits out of tragedies, Jim Emery has shown real face of humanity, by offering to keep on looking after the place provided he is allowed to live in the house. Is our Council collectively so stupid that it can't see sense in what Jim Emery has offered? Or Councillors are only interested in their own eg and thousands of pounds they themselves get? Have these arrogant idiots forgotten that civilised people may not always get on well but tend to respect the dead and their last resting place. I am glad that I won't end in this cemetery near my home, because my body will be donated as spare parts for medical research. SHAME ON SOTON COUNCIL WHICH IS PICKS UPON KIDS BY CLOSING THEIR SWIMMING POOL AND IGNORES LAST RESTING PLACES OF DEAD... Paramjit Bahia
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1:12pm Thu 9 Aug 12

charliesaint123 says...

anyone who would like to know more on this then please join our campaign on facebook called hollybrook cemetery http://www.facebook.
com/OutragesCemetery
Redundancyredundancy __

or the link is here ...this is also for the some of the clueless people that have commented not knowing the full story so far ..thank you
anyone who would like to know more on this then please join our campaign on facebook called hollybrook cemetery http://www.facebook. com/OutragesCemetery Redundancyredundancy __ or the link is here ...this is also for the some of the clueless people that have commented not knowing the full story so far ..thank you charliesaint123
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1:24pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bigfella777 says...

charliesaint123 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
75 % of people are cremated after death now and Hollybrook cemetery is pretty much full now apart from the horses fields.If people are not getting buried there then they dont need a superintendent obviously.
well they need to look after the graves you fool ?
Council workers come up in a pick up to cut the grass Ive seen them,I do have friends relatives buried there as well.
[quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: 75 % of people are cremated after death now and Hollybrook cemetery is pretty much full now apart from the horses fields.If people are not getting buried there then they dont need a superintendent obviously.[/p][/quote]well they need to look after the graves you fool ?[/p][/quote]Council workers come up in a pick up to cut the grass Ive seen them,I do have friends relatives buried there as well. bigfella777
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1:26pm Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

Charliesaint, A forum is about opinions. If you want everyone to agree that your Grandad is being ill treated and feel sorry for his plight then you may wish to stop reading the posts.
There are 600 people being made redundent at British Gas who have no offer of local redeployment and accomodation. They will simply have to find their own jobs whilst continuing to pay their mortgages and rent.

These things happen, even to good people. However the country cant just support people because they are nice and did what was clearly an amazing job going above and beyond.

If the house is sold and money is made it would not be a surprise. The council want money and thats a way of raising some. I DO NOT agree with people losing jobs and homes but i also do not agree people can be given a free pass to an easy life when there are others more needy. And be assured, there are others who are far more in need. Families that cant afford to feed themselves and pay their bils etc etc etc...
Charliesaint, A forum is about opinions. If you want everyone to agree that your Grandad is being ill treated and feel sorry for his plight then you may wish to stop reading the posts. There are 600 people being made redundent at British Gas who have no offer of local redeployment and accomodation. They will simply have to find their own jobs whilst continuing to pay their mortgages and rent. These things happen, even to good people. However the country cant just support people because they are nice and did what was clearly an amazing job going above and beyond. If the house is sold and money is made it would not be a surprise. The council want money and thats a way of raising some. I DO NOT agree with people losing jobs and homes but i also do not agree people can be given a free pass to an easy life when there are others more needy. And be assured, there are others who are far more in need. Families that cant afford to feed themselves and pay their bils etc etc etc... benkirk78
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1:29pm Thu 9 Aug 12

lisa whitemore says...

charliesaint123 wrote:
benkirk78 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets!
i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts
ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS
T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN
ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU????
ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE AND FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE, ARE OF MINORITY!!
[quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets![/p][/quote]i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts[/p][/quote]ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU???? ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE AND FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE, ARE OF MINORITY!! lisa whitemore
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1:30pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As this job cut was decided by Tories and has been implemented by NuLabour it may not be Labour Vs Tories issue.

But it illustrates the priorities of our local Council, exposes its hypocrisy and immorality.

Over the years same Council has been increasing funeral charges, often well above rate of inflation. Thus financially exploiting people when they are emotionally most vulnerable and unfortunate victims of laws of nature.

Now they are doing away with job of looking after this cemetery. So when we read about yobs damaging graves, we should remember who to blame.

When crazy Council is only interesting in making profits out of tragedies, Jim Emery has shown real face of humanity, by offering to keep on looking after the place provided he is allowed to live in the house.

Is our Council collectively so stupid that it can't see sense in what Jim Emery has offered? Or Councillors are only interested in their own eg and thousands of pounds they themselves get? Have these arrogant idiots forgotten that civilised people may not always get on well but tend to respect the dead and their last resting place.

I am glad that I won't end in this cemetery near my home, because my body will be donated as spare parts for medical research.

SHAME ON SOTON COUNCIL WHICH IS PICKS UPON KIDS BY CLOSING THEIR SWIMMING POOL AND IGNORES LAST RESTING PLACES OF DEAD...
Hang on, I would have thought if graves were damaged then it would actually be the fault of the people responsible, it's not like anyone would blame Mr Emrey for that..?

It's the usual bile 'Paramjit' without any kind of solution or credible input I suppose and the last couple of lines are rather tabloid and quite frankly immature.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: As this job cut was decided by Tories and has been implemented by NuLabour it may not be Labour Vs Tories issue. But it illustrates the priorities of our local Council, exposes its hypocrisy and immorality. Over the years same Council has been increasing funeral charges, often well above rate of inflation. Thus financially exploiting people when they are emotionally most vulnerable and unfortunate victims of laws of nature. Now they are doing away with job of looking after this cemetery. So when we read about yobs damaging graves, we should remember who to blame. When crazy Council is only interesting in making profits out of tragedies, Jim Emery has shown real face of humanity, by offering to keep on looking after the place provided he is allowed to live in the house. Is our Council collectively so stupid that it can't see sense in what Jim Emery has offered? Or Councillors are only interested in their own eg and thousands of pounds they themselves get? Have these arrogant idiots forgotten that civilised people may not always get on well but tend to respect the dead and their last resting place. I am glad that I won't end in this cemetery near my home, because my body will be donated as spare parts for medical research. SHAME ON SOTON COUNCIL WHICH IS PICKS UPON KIDS BY CLOSING THEIR SWIMMING POOL AND IGNORES LAST RESTING PLACES OF DEAD...[/p][/quote]Hang on, I would have thought if graves were damaged then it would actually be the fault of the people responsible, it's not like anyone would blame Mr Emrey for that..? It's the usual bile 'Paramjit' without any kind of solution or credible input I suppose and the last couple of lines are rather tabloid and quite frankly immature. Shoong
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1:30pm Thu 9 Aug 12

lisa whitemore says...

Walter K wrote:
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS
T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN
ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU????
ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE, THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE ARE ONLY A MINORITY...
[quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.[/p][/quote]ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU???? ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE, THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE ARE ONLY A MINORITY... lisa whitemore
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1:32pm Thu 9 Aug 12

lisa whitemore says...

bigfella777 wrote:
I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation.
My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen.
Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS
T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN
ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU????
ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..AND THOSE OF YOU THAT DONT IS ONLY A SMALL MINORITY.....
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU???? ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..AND THOSE OF YOU THAT DONT IS ONLY A SMALL MINORITY..... lisa whitemore
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1:32pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shoong says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
charliesaint123 wrote:
benkirk78 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets!
i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts
ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS
T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN
ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU????
ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE AND FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE, ARE OF MINORITY!!
I think the great majority have sympathy for your father's situation Lisa, but you do yourself or your father any favours with an ill thought out rant such as this one.

Would it be interesting to know who yourself and your father voted for in the last Council Elections?
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets![/p][/quote]i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts[/p][/quote]ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU???? ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE AND FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE, ARE OF MINORITY!![/p][/quote]I think the great majority have sympathy for your father's situation Lisa, but you do yourself or your father any favours with an ill thought out rant such as this one. Would it be interesting to know who yourself and your father voted for in the last Council Elections? Shoong
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1:33pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shoong says...

Shoong wrote:
lisa whitemore wrote:
charliesaint123 wrote:
benkirk78 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets!
i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts
ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS
T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN
ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU????
ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE AND FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE, ARE OF MINORITY!!
I think the great majority have sympathy for your father's situation Lisa, but you do yourself or your father any favours with an ill thought out rant such as this one.

Would it be interesting to know who yourself and your father voted for in the last Council Elections?
*don't
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets![/p][/quote]i you see the accomadation they have been offered its a flat they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they would have to re home her . and to add to this dont comment on something you dont know the whole story to if you search "hollybrook cemetery redundancy " it will give you a more in depth look at what has happened and why my grandad hasnt taken the jobs he has been offered ..and lastly they also pay full rent for th e house and it was only last year they were told they were safe in the house despite the cuts[/p][/quote]ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU???? ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE AND FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE, ARE OF MINORITY!![/p][/quote]I think the great majority have sympathy for your father's situation Lisa, but you do yourself or your father any favours with an ill thought out rant such as this one. Would it be interesting to know who yourself and your father voted for in the last Council Elections?[/p][/quote]*don't Shoong
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1:33pm Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

benkirk78 wrote:
Charliesaint, A forum is about opinions. If you want everyone to agree that your Grandad is being ill treated and feel sorry for his plight then you may wish to stop reading the posts. There are 600 people being made redundent at British Gas who have no offer of local redeployment and accomodation. They will simply have to find their own jobs whilst continuing to pay their mortgages and rent. These things happen, even to good people. However the country cant just support people because they are nice and did what was clearly an amazing job going above and beyond. If the house is sold and money is made it would not be a surprise. The council want money and thats a way of raising some. I DO NOT agree with people losing jobs and homes but i also do not agree people can be given a free pass to an easy life when there are others more needy. And be assured, there are others who are far more in need. Families that cant afford to feed themselves and pay their bils etc etc etc...
I will add that the money should really be saved not paying out benefits to spongers who clearly have no desire to find jobs and support the economy.
If the Goverment brought in change to ensure people who can work are only given their benefits on completion of work they can do for that local council then we would be in better shape all over.
We would then have cleaner streets, less graffiti, less vandalism (they wouldnt break what they have to clean up) and they may want to get proper jobs for better reward.
[quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: Charliesaint, A forum is about opinions. If you want everyone to agree that your Grandad is being ill treated and feel sorry for his plight then you may wish to stop reading the posts. There are 600 people being made redundent at British Gas who have no offer of local redeployment and accomodation. They will simply have to find their own jobs whilst continuing to pay their mortgages and rent. These things happen, even to good people. However the country cant just support people because they are nice and did what was clearly an amazing job going above and beyond. If the house is sold and money is made it would not be a surprise. The council want money and thats a way of raising some. I DO NOT agree with people losing jobs and homes but i also do not agree people can be given a free pass to an easy life when there are others more needy. And be assured, there are others who are far more in need. Families that cant afford to feed themselves and pay their bils etc etc etc...[/p][/quote]I will add that the money should really be saved not paying out benefits to spongers who clearly have no desire to find jobs and support the economy. If the Goverment brought in change to ensure people who can work are only given their benefits on completion of work they can do for that local council then we would be in better shape all over. We would then have cleaner streets, less graffiti, less vandalism (they wouldnt break what they have to clean up) and they may want to get proper jobs for better reward. benkirk78
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1:36pm Thu 9 Aug 12

southy says...

mtdiablo wrote:
i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with.
Thats the idea behind the TUSC party group, it is to bring together those that are really on the left back together again, under one banner, but just like before when the Socialist Party and a rail Union first formed the Labour Party, they are allowing the moderites on the right to join to join the TUSC.
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with.[/p][/quote]Thats the idea behind the TUSC party group, it is to bring together those that are really on the left back together again, under one banner, but just like before when the Socialist Party and a rail Union first formed the Labour Party, they are allowing the moderites on the right to join to join the TUSC. southy
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1:36pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better.

as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect
Can't be done mtdiablo, its the right that wants to makes cuts and not invest, while the left wants to invest and keep people in there jobs so they are able to carry on spending in the local economy.
Translation - 'spend whatever money we have been left in charge of until it runs out, just so the 'brothers and sisters' of the local tin pot Mafia are alright, Jack...'
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better. as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect[/p][/quote]Can't be done mtdiablo, its the right that wants to makes cuts and not invest, while the left wants to invest and keep people in there jobs so they are able to carry on spending in the local economy.[/p][/quote]Translation - 'spend whatever money we have been left in charge of until it runs out, just so the 'brothers and sisters' of the local tin pot Mafia are alright, Jack...' Shoong
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1:37pm Thu 9 Aug 12

lisa whitemore says...

benkirk78 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets!
ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS
T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN
ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU????
ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS MATTER.****
[quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]...and this guy has been offered a new place to live so its not like he's on the streets![/p][/quote]ALL I WANT IS TO SEE MY DAD TREATED WITH TOTAL RESPECT THAT HE WITHOUT A DOUBT DESERVES AFTER 42 LOYAL YEARS, SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMENDATING "JIM AT HOLLYBROOK" NOT JUST NOTICE UR JOB I QUOTE IS 'DELETED' AND WILL NOT EXIS T AFTER 5TH OCT 2012.....OH AND BY THE WAY YOU NEED TO HAVE VACATED THE PREMISES....MEANING OUR FAMILY HOME OF 26YRS!!! THEN JUST TO ADD INSULT HE IS TO BE GIVEN ALL OF £11,000 REDUNDANCY, FOR 42 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! WHAT WITH IT ONLY FEW YRS BEFORE MY DADS RETIREMENT!!!! I AM ONLY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT???? HOW DARE THEY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO QUIETLY DELETE THE POSITION AND BASICALLY DELETE MY DADS WHOLE WORKING LIFE???? I DONT THINK SO SOMEHOW DO YOU???? ALL THIS UNBELIEVABLE SUPPORT KINDA CONFIRMS MY THINKING.ITS TOTALLY UNNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS MATTER.**** lisa whitemore
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1:39pm Thu 9 Aug 12

loosehead says...

mtdiablo wrote:
outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better.

as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect
Sorry did not the Labour party openly accuse the Tory council of doing this type of thing if they were re-elected?
This council are now showing their true colours & I could quite easily say "told you so" but I hope you the electorate now realise what a mistake you made in voting Labour into power
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better. as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect[/p][/quote]Sorry did not the Labour party openly accuse the Tory council of doing this type of thing if they were re-elected? This council are now showing their true colours & I could quite easily say "told you so" but I hope you the electorate now realise what a mistake you made in voting Labour into power loosehead
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1:42pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with.
Thats the idea behind the TUSC party group, it is to bring together those that are really on the left back together again, under one banner, but just like before when the Socialist Party and a rail Union first formed the Labour Party, they are allowing the moderites on the right to join to join the TUSC.
So, what, how many members is that now, have you reached double figures yet?

The TUSC are allowing 'moderate' far right wingers to join now? How desperate is that, more distasteful political mercenary's.

It's a change of tune yet again, why not long ago anyone who was not on the side of the Left was 'far right' without any exceptions by your book. But then I suppose as a consummate politician, your values and morals change when desperation sets in.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with.[/p][/quote]Thats the idea behind the TUSC party group, it is to bring together those that are really on the left back together again, under one banner, but just like before when the Socialist Party and a rail Union first formed the Labour Party, they are allowing the moderites on the right to join to join the TUSC.[/p][/quote]So, what, how many members is that now, have you reached double figures yet? The TUSC are allowing 'moderate' far right wingers to join now? How desperate is that, more distasteful political mercenary's. It's a change of tune yet again, why not long ago anyone who was not on the side of the Left was 'far right' without any exceptions by your book. But then I suppose as a consummate politician, your values and morals change when desperation sets in. Shoong
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1:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better.

as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect
Sorry did not the Labour party openly accuse the Tory council of doing this type of thing if they were re-elected?
This council are now showing their true colours & I could quite easily say "told you so" but I hope you the electorate now realise what a mistake you made in voting Labour into power
It was going to happen even with a Lib/Dem or a Tory Council, so what real choices did the people really have, if they stick with the major political partys
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: outrageous. this man has been a long-term servent and deserves better. as an aside, can we not make this into a left/right wing argument like everything else on this site? bit of respect[/p][/quote]Sorry did not the Labour party openly accuse the Tory council of doing this type of thing if they were re-elected? This council are now showing their true colours & I could quite easily say "told you so" but I hope you the electorate now realise what a mistake you made in voting Labour into power[/p][/quote]It was going to happen even with a Lib/Dem or a Tory Council, so what real choices did the people really have, if they stick with the major political partys southy
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1:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Northamboy says...

sass wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing! He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion. SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools.
yada yada yada, blah blah blah.
Haven't you any homework to do in your holidays?
[quote][p][bold]sass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Southampton City Council you should be ashamed. He has four years left to retirement and to make him redundant now will save £100,000. You spend that on carpets that don't need replacing! He does such a good job at the cemetery and is always happy when it fits and sad when needed. He's a top bloke in my opinion. SSC let me put you on notice, if any of my families graves are vandalised and I can prove its down to him being made redundant then I will sue your backsides off. Do you understand that you fools.[/p][/quote]yada yada yada, blah blah blah.[/p][/quote]Haven't you any homework to do in your holidays? Northamboy
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1:54pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

Wow - I turn my back for 5 minutes!!

Guys - Of course emotions are going to run high, this is someone's father and grandfather.

The point being, where is the loyalty, where is the 'You will be looked after' promises that Jim was given.

Put yourself in Jim's shoes. 60 years old, being offered positions within the council that the council KNOW he does not have the experience to do.

Jim knows one thing.....HollyBrook Cemetery.

I know, and I understand what some are saying however, but could they not reduce the hiring of three cars per annum to save Jim for his last four years, because this is all it would take?!
Wow - I turn my back for 5 minutes!! Guys - Of course emotions are going to run high, this is someone's father and grandfather. The point being, where is the loyalty, where is the 'You will be looked after' promises that Jim was given. Put yourself in Jim's shoes. 60 years old, being offered positions within the council that the council KNOW he does not have the experience to do. Jim knows one thing.....HollyBrook Cemetery. I know, and I understand what some are saying however, but could they not reduce the hiring of three cars per annum to save Jim for his last four years, because this is all it would take?! Pinguboy
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1:56pm Thu 9 Aug 12

bigfella777 says...

Some 6,500 former MG Rover workers will get only £3 redundancy—seven years after they lost their jobs.
Their legal case to recover millions of pounds was rejected by the High Court.
This leaves just £22,000 in a fund to be distributed among all the workers who were sacked when the firm went bust in 2005.
There you go 6500 people with homes,families,dogs ect completely shafted, £3 each!!!

11,000 or another job,plus another home when 14,000 people are on the waiting list sounds pretty good now doesn't it.
Some 6,500 former MG Rover workers will get only £3 redundancy—seven years after they lost their jobs. Their legal case to recover millions of pounds was rejected by the High Court. This leaves just £22,000 in a fund to be distributed among all the workers who were sacked when the firm went bust in 2005. There you go 6500 people with homes,families,dogs ect completely shafted, £3 each!!! 11,000 or another job,plus another home when 14,000 people are on the waiting list sounds pretty good now doesn't it. bigfella777
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1:58pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Here, There says...

I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign.
I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign. Here, There
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2:10pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

Fully agree Here, There.


It is very hard for them to digest, as some do not see the injustice in this forum.

It is a very emotional time for them all, and on behalf of the family would like to thank you all for your views, good or indifferent.
Fully agree Here, There. It is very hard for them to digest, as some do not see the injustice in this forum. It is a very emotional time for them all, and on behalf of the family would like to thank you all for your views, good or indifferent. Pinguboy
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2:10pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Linesman says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation.
My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen.
Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.
Was your father evicted from his lodge?
He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.
I didn't have a lodge either. I came out of the services and lived in rooms until I saved enough for deposit. I then got a morgage, and got on the property ladder - and reached the top, because it has been paid off. Your father did what thousands of others did.

It was tough then, but in my opinion, not as tough as it is for youngsters now. In those days builders were building houses. Now builders are going bust.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I would quite like to be offered a 22k traffic wardens job and he has been offered alternative accomodation. My father worked the same job for 47 years and when he retired they gave him a pen. Same old story, council employees dont live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Was your father evicted from his lodge?[/p][/quote]He didn't have a lodge, he had to get a mortgage and work all the overtime he could get to pay for it and feed 3 kids, not like todays spongers.[/p][/quote]I didn't have a lodge either. I came out of the services and lived in rooms until I saved enough for deposit. I then got a morgage, and got on the property ladder - and reached the top, because it has been paid off. Your father did what thousands of others did. It was tough then, but in my opinion, not as tough as it is for youngsters now. In those days builders were building houses. Now builders are going bust. Linesman
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2:14pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Some 6,500 former MG Rover workers will get only £3 redundancy—seven years after they lost their jobs.
Their legal case to recover millions of pounds was rejected by the High Court.
This leaves just £22,000 in a fund to be distributed among all the workers who were sacked when the firm went bust in 2005.
There you go 6500 people with homes,families,dogs ect completely shafted, £3 each!!!

11,000 or another job,plus another home when 14,000 people are on the waiting list sounds pretty good now doesn't it.
bigfella -

Fully understand your post, but think it irrelevant to the Echo story.

The council haven't exactly gone bust.

I think that although it is clear that there are options being looked at from the council, the point being is the moral stand point. 4 years from retirement, and being forced from his home.

When I first heard about this, it just did not sit right with me, and i scratch my head and wonder why the country is in a mess that it is.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Some 6,500 former MG Rover workers will get only £3 redundancy—seven years after they lost their jobs. Their legal case to recover millions of pounds was rejected by the High Court. This leaves just £22,000 in a fund to be distributed among all the workers who were sacked when the firm went bust in 2005. There you go 6500 people with homes,families,dogs ect completely shafted, £3 each!!! 11,000 or another job,plus another home when 14,000 people are on the waiting list sounds pretty good now doesn't it.[/p][/quote]bigfella - Fully understand your post, but think it irrelevant to the Echo story. The council haven't exactly gone bust. I think that although it is clear that there are options being looked at from the council, the point being is the moral stand point. 4 years from retirement, and being forced from his home. When I first heard about this, it just did not sit right with me, and i scratch my head and wonder why the country is in a mess that it is. Pinguboy
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2:23pm Thu 9 Aug 12

BenjiWinsor says...

Blimey, so much anger from the family when they have been so blessed with such a job and housing for so many years and still they have housing security unlike so many others. Hopefully a property will be offered that accepts the dog all being well. I know so many people far worse of than this couple and they are far more grateful for what help they do get despite it being a fraction of the support offered here.
Blimey, so much anger from the family when they have been so blessed with such a job and housing for so many years and still they have housing security unlike so many others. Hopefully a property will be offered that accepts the dog all being well. I know so many people far worse of than this couple and they are far more grateful for what help they do get despite it being a fraction of the support offered here. BenjiWinsor
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2:23pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Lone Ranger. says...

What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake.
.
I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant.
.
So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat ..
.
He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position.
.
FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.
What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake. . I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant. . So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat .. . He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position. . FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered. Lone Ranger.
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2:25pm Thu 9 Aug 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with.
Thats the idea behind the TUSC party group, it is to bring together those that are really on the left back together again, under one banner, but just like before when the Socialist Party and a rail Union first formed the Labour Party, they are allowing the moderites on the right to join to join the TUSC.
So, what, how many members is that now, have you reached double figures yet?

The TUSC are allowing 'moderate' far right wingers to join now? How desperate is that, more distasteful political mercenary's.

It's a change of tune yet again, why not long ago anyone who was not on the side of the Left was 'far right' without any exceptions by your book. But then I suppose as a consummate politician, your values and morals change when desperation sets in.
Shoong, It was in the treble figures on the first day with the TUSC, and since day one the moderate right have been allowed to join, you tend to get right wingers in Unions.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: i agree with you southy, the left does want to invest. it's simply unfortunate that we do not have a major left-wing party, and the minor ones most squabble over the definition of "socialism", "communism", or whatever other label they wish to identify with.[/p][/quote]Thats the idea behind the TUSC party group, it is to bring together those that are really on the left back together again, under one banner, but just like before when the Socialist Party and a rail Union first formed the Labour Party, they are allowing the moderites on the right to join to join the TUSC.[/p][/quote]So, what, how many members is that now, have you reached double figures yet? The TUSC are allowing 'moderate' far right wingers to join now? How desperate is that, more distasteful political mercenary's. It's a change of tune yet again, why not long ago anyone who was not on the side of the Left was 'far right' without any exceptions by your book. But then I suppose as a consummate politician, your values and morals change when desperation sets in.[/p][/quote]Shoong, It was in the treble figures on the first day with the TUSC, and since day one the moderate right have been allowed to join, you tend to get right wingers in Unions. southy
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2:39pm Thu 9 Aug 12

localnews says...

still giving billions in overseas aid yet can't look after our own,shame on the government and councils alike
still giving billions in overseas aid yet can't look after our own,shame on the government and councils alike localnews
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2:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

mtdiablo says...

The TUSC are a loosely held coalition of leftists who are busy accusing each other of being a Trotskyists, southy. They really aren't the saviors of the left you keep championing them as.
The TUSC are a loosely held coalition of leftists who are busy accusing each other of being a Trotskyists, southy. They really aren't the saviors of the left you keep championing them as. mtdiablo
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2:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

mtdiablo says...

shouldn't really have that extra "a" in there but hey, it's nearly the weekend lets live a little
shouldn't really have that extra "a" in there but hey, it's nearly the weekend lets live a little mtdiablo
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2:48pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake.
.
I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant.
.
So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat ..
.
He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position.
.
FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.
LR -

What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home?

Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil.

Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job.

I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake. . I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant. . So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat .. . He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position. . FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.[/p][/quote]LR - What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home? Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil. Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job. I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical? Pinguboy
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2:54pm Thu 9 Aug 12

ohec says...

charliesaint123 wrote:
this is to update people commenting claiming " oh its okay there given new accomadation" its not as they were offered a flat where they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they have had since she was a puppy and to someone who has served in the councill that long and done things like shut the gates clean and look after the toilets which he wasnt even payed for doing then he should have a much better choice i know this is as im there grandson
I understand what your saying but a flat is all that they qualify for, yes it would be very nice to give them a house but that would not be fair on all of the families that are currently on the housing list, as for bringing the dog into the debate i think you are on a hiding to nothing, you were getting quite a bit of support on here but i am afraid if its a case of housing a family or a dog the family wins hands down. The offer of accommodation + another job and a nice golden goodbye + a very good pension doesn't seem so bad to me there are a lot of people out there who would give their right arm to be in that position.
[quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: this is to update people commenting claiming " oh its okay there given new accomadation" its not as they were offered a flat where they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they have had since she was a puppy and to someone who has served in the councill that long and done things like shut the gates clean and look after the toilets which he wasnt even payed for doing then he should have a much better choice i know this is as im there grandson[/p][/quote]I understand what your saying but a flat is all that they qualify for, yes it would be very nice to give them a house but that would not be fair on all of the families that are currently on the housing list, as for bringing the dog into the debate i think you are on a hiding to nothing, you were getting quite a bit of support on here but i am afraid if its a case of housing a family or a dog the family wins hands down. The offer of accommodation + another job and a nice golden goodbye + a very good pension doesn't seem so bad to me there are a lot of people out there who would give their right arm to be in that position. ohec
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3:04pm Thu 9 Aug 12

TheJoiners says...

Hang your Heads in Shame Southampton City Council. This man has given his whole life, real dedication and you treat him like this?
Hang your Heads in Shame Southampton City Council. This man has given his whole life, real dedication and you treat him like this? TheJoiners
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3:16pm Thu 9 Aug 12

ohec says...

Here, There wrote:
I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign.
They will also do their case no good by shouting all the time and calling people names, and the more they try and push their views the more support they lose, nobody in their right mind is going to house a dog rather than a family, if one of the other family members can't take the dog then it will have to go into a shelter.
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign.[/p][/quote]They will also do their case no good by shouting all the time and calling people names, and the more they try and push their views the more support they lose, nobody in their right mind is going to house a dog rather than a family, if one of the other family members can't take the dog then it will have to go into a shelter. ohec
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3:20pm Thu 9 Aug 12

southy says...

mtdiablo wrote:
The TUSC are a loosely held coalition of leftists who are busy accusing each other of being a Trotskyists, southy. They really aren't the saviors of the left you keep championing them as.
No so loosely held together as you might think. And its not just Left there right wingers too, all ways have been.
Its just a shame that the Socialist Workers party here in the South will not join like they have done north of Hampshire.
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: The TUSC are a loosely held coalition of leftists who are busy accusing each other of being a Trotskyists, southy. They really aren't the saviors of the left you keep championing them as.[/p][/quote]No so loosely held together as you might think. And its not just Left there right wingers too, all ways have been. Its just a shame that the Socialist Workers party here in the South will not join like they have done north of Hampshire. southy
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3:29pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

ohec wrote:
charliesaint123 wrote:
this is to update people commenting claiming " oh its okay there given new accomadation" its not as they were offered a flat where they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they have had since she was a puppy and to someone who has served in the councill that long and done things like shut the gates clean and look after the toilets which he wasnt even payed for doing then he should have a much better choice i know this is as im there grandson
I understand what your saying but a flat is all that they qualify for, yes it would be very nice to give them a house but that would not be fair on all of the families that are currently on the housing list, as for bringing the dog into the debate i think you are on a hiding to nothing, you were getting quite a bit of support on here but i am afraid if its a case of housing a family or a dog the family wins hands down. The offer of accommodation + another job and a nice golden goodbye + a very good pension doesn't seem so bad to me there are a lot of people out there who would give their right arm to be in that position.
Ohec........

But for what greater good do they feel they need to take this action?

To save money? What £25k a year? When they spent £175k on leased cars last year alone?

I think the issue being is.......what are they doing to the Lodge? Selling it off is my guess, and as they have promised transparency, I am still waiting for an answer to this question.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: this is to update people commenting claiming " oh its okay there given new accomadation" its not as they were offered a flat where they wouldnt be able to take there 6 year old dog which they have had since she was a puppy and to someone who has served in the councill that long and done things like shut the gates clean and look after the toilets which he wasnt even payed for doing then he should have a much better choice i know this is as im there grandson[/p][/quote]I understand what your saying but a flat is all that they qualify for, yes it would be very nice to give them a house but that would not be fair on all of the families that are currently on the housing list, as for bringing the dog into the debate i think you are on a hiding to nothing, you were getting quite a bit of support on here but i am afraid if its a case of housing a family or a dog the family wins hands down. The offer of accommodation + another job and a nice golden goodbye + a very good pension doesn't seem so bad to me there are a lot of people out there who would give their right arm to be in that position.[/p][/quote]Ohec........ But for what greater good do they feel they need to take this action? To save money? What £25k a year? When they spent £175k on leased cars last year alone? I think the issue being is.......what are they doing to the Lodge? Selling it off is my guess, and as they have promised transparency, I am still waiting for an answer to this question. Pinguboy
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3:32pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Pinguboy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake.
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I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant.
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So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat ..
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He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position.
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FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.
LR -

What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home?

Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil.

Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job.

I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?
Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll.
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Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to.
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Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ......
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You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? ....
..... was he offered another job .
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YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want.
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My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No
[quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake. . I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant. . So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat .. . He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position. . FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.[/p][/quote]LR - What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home? Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil. Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job. I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?[/p][/quote]Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll. . Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to. . Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ...... . You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? .... ..... was he offered another job . . YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want. . My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No Lone Ranger.
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3:46pm Thu 9 Aug 12

mtdiablo says...

You really enjoy your elipses don't you loneranger?
You really enjoy your elipses don't you loneranger? mtdiablo
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3:51pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake.
.
I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant.
.
So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat ..
.
He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position.
.
FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.
LR -

What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home?

Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil.

Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job.

I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?
Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll.
.
Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to.
.
Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ......
.
You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? ....
..... was he offered another job .
.
YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want.
.
My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No
You said it, Loyalty counts for nothing, and people wonder why our country is falling apart!

You obviously are missing what I am writing!

The jobs he has been offered, has been offered knowing he is not able to do these positions because of the skills required!!

So it would seem as if the cancel are 'doing' something, where in fact it's an insult!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake. . I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant. . So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat .. . He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position. . FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.[/p][/quote]LR - What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home? Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil. Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job. I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?[/p][/quote]Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll. . Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to. . Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ...... . You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? .... ..... was he offered another job . . YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want. . My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No[/p][/quote]You said it, Loyalty counts for nothing, and people wonder why our country is falling apart! You obviously are missing what I am writing! The jobs he has been offered, has been offered knowing he is not able to do these positions because of the skills required!! So it would seem as if the cancel are 'doing' something, where in fact it's an insult! Pinguboy
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3:52pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Lone Ranger. says...

mtdiablo wrote:
You really enjoy your elipses don't you loneranger?
I wouldnt go anywhere without them ...... .................... If that answers your ................. Question
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: You really enjoy your elipses don't you loneranger?[/p][/quote]I wouldnt go anywhere without them ...... .................... If that answers your ................. Question Lone Ranger.
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3:57pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Pinguboy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake.
.
I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant.
.
So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat ..
.
He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position.
.
FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.
LR -

What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home?

Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil.

Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job.

I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?
Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll.
.
Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to.
.
Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ......
.
You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? ....
..... was he offered another job .
.
YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want.
.
My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No
You said it, Loyalty counts for nothing, and people wonder why our country is falling apart!

You obviously are missing what I am writing!

The jobs he has been offered, has been offered knowing he is not able to do these positions because of the skills required!!

So it would seem as if the cancel are 'doing' something, where in fact it's an insult!
Ok ..... So none are suitable.
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So now he is just like everyone else who gets laid off ... redundant.
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EXCEPT .. he is getting alternative accommodation !!!!!
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AND the council are going to discus this with him next week.
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So he, and you, may just be a little premature
[quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake. . I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant. . So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat .. . He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position. . FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.[/p][/quote]LR - What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home? Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil. Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job. I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?[/p][/quote]Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll. . Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to. . Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ...... . You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? .... ..... was he offered another job . . YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want. . My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No[/p][/quote]You said it, Loyalty counts for nothing, and people wonder why our country is falling apart! You obviously are missing what I am writing! The jobs he has been offered, has been offered knowing he is not able to do these positions because of the skills required!! So it would seem as if the cancel are 'doing' something, where in fact it's an insult![/p][/quote]Ok ..... So none are suitable. . So now he is just like everyone else who gets laid off ... redundant. . EXCEPT .. he is getting alternative accommodation !!!!! . AND the council are going to discus this with him next week. . So he, and you, may just be a little premature Lone Ranger.
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3:59pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

...............and you think they offered to meet him next week?

No, it was the constant emails and lobbying that have brought this 'meeting'!!!

The council were doing nothing before the facebook page was created.
...............and you think they offered to meet him next week? No, it was the constant emails and lobbying that have brought this 'meeting'!!! The council were doing nothing before the facebook page was created. Pinguboy
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4:50pm Thu 9 Aug 12

IronLady2010 says...

How awful for Jim and his family, but as others have said this is 2012 where no job is safe.

I do hope Jim and the Council can come to a satisfactory arrangement so all parties can walk away from this happy.

Good luck Jim, losing your job and home in one go must feel like your entire world has collapsed, but be strong, something good always comes around the corner. x
How awful for Jim and his family, but as others have said this is 2012 where no job is safe. I do hope Jim and the Council can come to a satisfactory arrangement so all parties can walk away from this happy. Good luck Jim, losing your job and home in one go must feel like your entire world has collapsed, but be strong, something good always comes around the corner. x IronLady2010
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5:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Never had much time for Councils whatever their Political demeanor, I detest unfeeling jobsworths too.
Never had much time for Councils whatever their Political demeanor, I detest unfeeling jobsworths too. OSPREYSAINT
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5:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Poppy22 says...

Surely the role could continue on a voluntary part time basis (giving Jim an opportunity to find other paid part time work), with the property on a free or nominal rent until Jim reaches retirement age?
All it needs is a bit of creative thinking. The alternative would no doubt be increased vandalism and antisocial behaviour at the site (with, possibly, squatters in Jim's current home), which would be far more costly in the long run.
A bit of common sense would go a long way ...
Surely the role could continue on a voluntary part time basis (giving Jim an opportunity to find other paid part time work), with the property on a free or nominal rent until Jim reaches retirement age? All it needs is a bit of creative thinking. The alternative would no doubt be increased vandalism and antisocial behaviour at the site (with, possibly, squatters in Jim's current home), which would be far more costly in the long run. A bit of common sense would go a long way ... Poppy22
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5:08pm Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

Pinguboy wrote:
Wow - I turn my back for 5 minutes!! Guys - Of course emotions are going to run high, this is someone's father and grandfather. The point being, where is the loyalty, where is the 'You will be looked after' promises that Jim was given. Put yourself in Jim's shoes. 60 years old, being offered positions within the council that the council KNOW he does not have the experience to do. Jim knows one thing.....HollyBrook Cemetery. I know, and I understand what some are saying however, but could they not reduce the hiring of three cars per annum to save Jim for his last four years, because this is all it would take?!
Why should all the stops be pulled out for this one man - i dont mean that offensively but there are many going through redundency, some of the same age and loyalty to their jobs as Jim. We can just say "stop this so he can keep his job, cut that so She can keep her job" etc etc...
People of all ages have to learn new skills in life when a major change occurs. Is it fair to suggest that is Jim is given a 1 bedroom home where he, his wife AND his dog can go he will accept then?
[quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: Wow - I turn my back for 5 minutes!! Guys - Of course emotions are going to run high, this is someone's father and grandfather. The point being, where is the loyalty, where is the 'You will be looked after' promises that Jim was given. Put yourself in Jim's shoes. 60 years old, being offered positions within the council that the council KNOW he does not have the experience to do. Jim knows one thing.....HollyBrook Cemetery. I know, and I understand what some are saying however, but could they not reduce the hiring of three cars per annum to save Jim for his last four years, because this is all it would take?![/p][/quote]Why should all the stops be pulled out for this one man - i dont mean that offensively but there are many going through redundency, some of the same age and loyalty to their jobs as Jim. We can just say "stop this so he can keep his job, cut that so She can keep her job" etc etc... People of all ages have to learn new skills in life when a major change occurs. Is it fair to suggest that is Jim is given a 1 bedroom home where he, his wife AND his dog can go he will accept then? benkirk78
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5:12pm Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

Here, There wrote:
I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign.
Having an opinion on a matter isnt trolling. Dear God, you should think before your type.
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign.[/p][/quote]Having an opinion on a matter isnt trolling. Dear God, you should think before your type. benkirk78
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5:19pm Thu 9 Aug 12

benkirk78 says...

Its interesting that none of those supporting keeping Mr Emery in his home have commented on the mentions of the 600+ British Gas employees being made redundent in the next week or so. Its been mentioned twice but no-one from the support campaign seem interested in them not getting local redeployment or help with their bills, mortgages and rent.

Some of them are nearing or over 60 years of age and have provided fantastic customer service to fellow UK residents for many many years.
Regardless of public or private sector they are going through a torrid experience also but with what appears to be less in terms of compensating the loss of their current job.

Come on, why are you not creating mass support for their plight?

Hmmm...
Its interesting that none of those supporting keeping Mr Emery in his home have commented on the mentions of the 600+ British Gas employees being made redundent in the next week or so. Its been mentioned twice but no-one from the support campaign seem interested in them not getting local redeployment or help with their bills, mortgages and rent. Some of them are nearing or over 60 years of age and have provided fantastic customer service to fellow UK residents for many many years. Regardless of public or private sector they are going through a torrid experience also but with what appears to be less in terms of compensating the loss of their current job. Come on, why are you not creating mass support for their plight? Hmmm... benkirk78
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5:20pm Thu 9 Aug 12

IronLady2010 says...

Labour did warn us all they would have to make extra cuts in order to restore pay to fellow workers. I wonder if this could have been avoided without the pay restoration?

I totally understand the arguement that this happens to others in a similar situation in the private sector, but if this job loss could be avoided then that is a positive! Avoidance of any job loss is positive, but when the Council have to find money to restore the small pay cuts to his colleagues in the Council, it means people like Jim have to suffer.
Labour did warn us all they would have to make extra cuts in order to restore pay to fellow workers. I wonder if this could have been avoided without the pay restoration? I totally understand the arguement that this happens to others in a similar situation in the private sector, but if this job loss could be avoided then that is a positive! Avoidance of any job loss is positive, but when the Council have to find money to restore the small pay cuts to his colleagues in the Council, it means people like Jim have to suffer. IronLady2010
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5:59pm Thu 9 Aug 12

ohec says...

I would like to point out that many many people joined the armed forces with the intension of making that their career, some have been made redundant others have been severely injured and others have paid the ultimate price and their loyalty and devotion to duty cannot be questioned. So that as far as i am concerned really puts things into perspective. As much as i sympathise with Jims position he should look forward to a new life i am sure that with a little give and take on both sides suitable accommodation can be found for him and his wife, the dog is another issue as for a job i am sure there are things he can do and he will have a nice lump sum and a very good pension in a few years time. But fighting the council is not the way forward because they are trying to help upset them and they will dig their heels in and say tough.
I would like to point out that many many people joined the armed forces with the intension of making that their career, some have been made redundant others have been severely injured and others have paid the ultimate price and their loyalty and devotion to duty cannot be questioned. So that as far as i am concerned really puts things into perspective. As much as i sympathise with Jims position he should look forward to a new life i am sure that with a little give and take on both sides suitable accommodation can be found for him and his wife, the dog is another issue as for a job i am sure there are things he can do and he will have a nice lump sum and a very good pension in a few years time. But fighting the council is not the way forward because they are trying to help upset them and they will dig their heels in and say tough. ohec
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6:05pm Thu 9 Aug 12

commnurse says...

charliesaint123 wrote:
commnurse wrote:
It's all very sad that this man is being made redundant but come people of Southampton... Read between the lines! He is living in a 4 bedroom house with his wife and his dog when there are families in Southampton crammed into inadequate housing. He's had plenty of other job offers and the council have clearly tried to help this man, but he's digging his heels in. Surely if he's lived there all his working life then he knew this day would come, I'm sure he's been offered some sort of financial recompense so in this day and age that's a lot more than some people get.
see thats where your wrong ..he has had job offers but they consist of grave digging which he first done when he was 18 and started the job..he is now 60 .the new flat they have been offered they would not be able to take there dog and 11,000 pound which is six months pay for redundancy package so before commenting learn the full story ..what might make you do that is looking up"hollybrook cemetery redundancy" and you will then know the in depth details of what the council have offered
its still a **** sight better than some people get offered! At least his wife is working and they don't have children of a dependent age. Surely if he's been paying a peppercorn rent on a house that's tied to his job then he would have already made preparation for his future. Try making ends meet when you have small children at home and your husband has been made redundant, then we'll talk!
[quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]commnurse[/bold] wrote: It's all very sad that this man is being made redundant but come people of Southampton... Read between the lines! He is living in a 4 bedroom house with his wife and his dog when there are families in Southampton crammed into inadequate housing. He's had plenty of other job offers and the council have clearly tried to help this man, but he's digging his heels in. Surely if he's lived there all his working life then he knew this day would come, I'm sure he's been offered some sort of financial recompense so in this day and age that's a lot more than some people get.[/p][/quote]see thats where your wrong ..he has had job offers but they consist of grave digging which he first done when he was 18 and started the job..he is now 60 .the new flat they have been offered they would not be able to take there dog and 11,000 pound which is six months pay for redundancy package so before commenting learn the full story ..what might make you do that is looking up"hollybrook cemetery redundancy" and you will then know the in depth details of what the council have offered[/p][/quote]its still a **** sight better than some people get offered! At least his wife is working and they don't have children of a dependent age. Surely if he's been paying a peppercorn rent on a house that's tied to his job then he would have already made preparation for his future. Try making ends meet when you have small children at home and your husband has been made redundant, then we'll talk! commnurse
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6:15pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Here, There says...

benkirk78 wrote:
Here, There wrote:
I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign.
Having an opinion on a matter isnt trolling. Dear God, you should think before your type.
Commenting on an issue that matters not to you with the sole intention of getting a rise out of those that are affected I interpret as trolling, I believe had the 2 of them continued they would have been caught in certain posters nets..so I did think before I typed..I thought of the 2 people who amongst all the others this story impacts upon, I did not suggest it had already happened prior to my post that you quote !...oh and no need to refer to me as God.. just Dear will suffice.
[quote][p][bold]benkirk78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote: I agree with Shoong, Lisa and Charlie should not use this public forum to debate something so personal & emotive, certain trolls will bring out the worse in you and it will only dilute your campaign.[/p][/quote]Having an opinion on a matter isnt trolling. Dear God, you should think before your type.[/p][/quote]Commenting on an issue that matters not to you with the sole intention of getting a rise out of those that are affected I interpret as trolling, I believe had the 2 of them continued they would have been caught in certain posters nets..so I did think before I typed..I thought of the 2 people who amongst all the others this story impacts upon, I did not suggest it had already happened prior to my post that you quote !...oh and no need to refer to me as God.. just Dear will suffice. Here, There
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6:33pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mr. Ducke says...

The comments have become focused on what one person personally deserves as opposed to what others get, not without some huge heapings of jealousy. Yes, I'm jealous too, I would love to have a position like Mr. Emery held for so long. But I think this should be looked at from another angle. Is his position worth its cost cost to the public, especially considering other expenditures that could be cut? Well, I can only say that as a citizen of the US, with relatives in Southampton, and one who has an interest in cemeteries for their historical and artistic content, I have visited scores of cemeteries in both countries. The presence of a committed caretaker makes a vast difference in terms of upkeep, security, and respectful atmosphere. England led the world during the Victorian age in the creation of the finest garden cemeteries; the shape some of them are in today is sad indeed. The respect we show to those who have gone before us says a lot about a society, and keeping a man like Mr. Emery in his post is the right thing to do.
The comments have become focused on what one person personally deserves as opposed to what others get, not without some huge heapings of jealousy. Yes, I'm jealous too, I would love to have a position like Mr. Emery held for so long. But I think this should be looked at from another angle. Is his position worth its cost cost to the public, especially considering other expenditures that could be cut? Well, I can only say that as a citizen of the US, with relatives in Southampton, and one who has an interest in cemeteries for their historical and artistic content, I have visited scores of cemeteries in both countries. The presence of a committed caretaker makes a vast difference in terms of upkeep, security, and respectful atmosphere. England led the world during the Victorian age in the creation of the finest garden cemeteries; the shape some of them are in today is sad indeed. The respect we show to those who have gone before us says a lot about a society, and keeping a man like Mr. Emery in his post is the right thing to do. Mr. Ducke
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7:35pm Thu 9 Aug 12

OceansofRed says...

Hold on he is in a 4 bed house for nominal rent!
Hold on he is in a 4 bed house for nominal rent! OceansofRed
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8:00pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Nigquick says...

Brought up in Southampton where I lived for 30 years and this is the first time I've been ashamed to call it my home! Cuts are fine but let's show some respect to people with a lifetimes commitment.
Brought up in Southampton where I lived for 30 years and this is the first time I've been ashamed to call it my home! Cuts are fine but let's show some respect to people with a lifetimes commitment. Nigquick
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8:10pm Thu 9 Aug 12

IronLady2010 says...

OceansofRed wrote:
Hold on he is in a 4 bed house for nominal rent!
The house looks stunning! 500k perhaps? More if it were in a better area. I can understand not wanting to give it up after 20 odd years of living in it. It's a family home, not a house.

Could the Council not rent it back to him at market rate for the next 4 years and use it as an investment. 4 years from now, the property value could increase and Jim has offered to work the grounds as a compromise.

Although I fear market rate would probably be £1000 + per month, almost as much as he earns sadly.

It does seem the Public sector bubble has burst and more so under Labour than Cons.

But I genuinely wish Jim well, he is best off away from Public Sector as more cuts are coming. Be proud Jim, walk away and look after your family even if it means giving up your family home.

You appear to be an honest Gentleman caught up in this mess, so I wish you the very best.
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: Hold on he is in a 4 bed house for nominal rent![/p][/quote]The house looks stunning! 500k perhaps? More if it were in a better area. I can understand not wanting to give it up after 20 odd years of living in it. It's a family home, not a house. Could the Council not rent it back to him at market rate for the next 4 years and use it as an investment. 4 years from now, the property value could increase and Jim has offered to work the grounds as a compromise. Although I fear market rate would probably be £1000 + per month, almost as much as he earns sadly. It does seem the Public sector bubble has burst and more so under Labour than Cons. But I genuinely wish Jim well, he is best off away from Public Sector as more cuts are coming. Be proud Jim, walk away and look after your family even if it means giving up your family home. You appear to be an honest Gentleman caught up in this mess, so I wish you the very best. IronLady2010
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8:18pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Nigquick wrote:
Brought up in Southampton where I lived for 30 years and this is the first time I've been ashamed to call it my home! Cuts are fine but let's show some respect to people with a lifetimes commitment.
Oh yes ....... so what do you propose for the thousands of others that have shown a lifetime commitment then.
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What respect do you want to show for the emergency services or factory workers or civil servants that have done 40 years.
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Give them all a house with a big fat pensions and a job !!!!! ??????
[quote][p][bold]Nigquick[/bold] wrote: Brought up in Southampton where I lived for 30 years and this is the first time I've been ashamed to call it my home! Cuts are fine but let's show some respect to people with a lifetimes commitment.[/p][/quote]Oh yes ....... so what do you propose for the thousands of others that have shown a lifetime commitment then. . What respect do you want to show for the emergency services or factory workers or civil servants that have done 40 years. . Give them all a house with a big fat pensions and a job !!!!! ?????? Lone Ranger.
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8:27pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Mike Chivers says...

The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis.

Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country.
The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis. Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country. Mike Chivers
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9:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

clausentum says...

"Why on Earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country"

Care to elaborate how this might be funded? I'm particularly intrigued how houses-for-all might be funded.

Why on Earth stop at Jobs, Houses and Pensions?

Why shouldn't everyone also be entitled to a car, a weekly supply of booze and fags, a monthly clothing allowance, annual rail ticket to travel anywhere in the Country and so on, ad infinitum . . .

And, what about the notion that automatic entitlements robs the individual of self respect, weakens their desire to utilize their talents and creativity and curbs their aspirations to better themselves from their own efforts?

(I'm not a Tory. Never have been.)
"Why on Earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country" Care to elaborate how this might be funded? I'm particularly intrigued how houses-for-all might be funded. Why on Earth stop at Jobs, Houses and Pensions? Why shouldn't everyone also be entitled to a car, a weekly supply of booze and fags, a monthly clothing allowance, annual rail ticket to travel anywhere in the Country and so on, ad infinitum . . . And, what about the notion that automatic entitlements robs the individual of self respect, weakens their desire to utilize their talents and creativity and curbs their aspirations to better themselves from their own efforts? (I'm not a Tory. Never have been.) clausentum
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9:24pm Thu 9 Aug 12

sass says...

charliesaint123 wrote:
ok then so just re house the dog they love and have had for 6 years then yeah ??
What is a dog doing in a cemetery?
[quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: ok then so just re house the dog they love and have had for 6 years then yeah ??[/p][/quote]What is a dog doing in a cemetery? sass
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9:26pm Thu 9 Aug 12

thinklikealocal says...

A few thoughts to share. He is 60 years old and has done this job for 26 years. What did he do up to the age of 34? He says this is all he has known his whole life? Not quite true. He knew the house was tied to the job. Same as those in the armed forces, clergy and many many others. He has been offered a 2 bedroom council flat, hardly being thrown out on the street! Some sympathy yes, worthy of outrage headlines in the local rag - no!
A few thoughts to share. He is 60 years old and has done this job for 26 years. What did he do up to the age of 34? He says this is all he has known his whole life? Not quite true. He knew the house was tied to the job. Same as those in the armed forces, clergy and many many others. He has been offered a 2 bedroom council flat, hardly being thrown out on the street! Some sympathy yes, worthy of outrage headlines in the local rag - no! thinklikealocal
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10:31pm Thu 9 Aug 12

IronLady2010 says...

Some 12 months ago this City was in Chaos trying to save jobs like this. Where are these people now? The Bin men went on strike, to support those earning more than they do, where are they now?
The Parking Attendants went on strike, they are also very quiet when a colleague is in need.

Where are the Union members when you need them ehhhhhh?

I haven't heard no support from the Unions, yet they supported the Bin Men whom most were never affected in the first place.

Come on Unions, stand behind one of your fellow workers!
Some 12 months ago this City was in Chaos trying to save jobs like this. Where are these people now? The Bin men went on strike, to support those earning more than they do, where are they now? The Parking Attendants went on strike, they are also very quiet when a colleague is in need. Where are the Union members when you need them ehhhhhh? I haven't heard no support from the Unions, yet they supported the Bin Men whom most were never affected in the first place. Come on Unions, stand behind one of your fellow workers! IronLady2010
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10:33pm Thu 9 Aug 12

IronLady2010 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Some 12 months ago this City was in Chaos trying to save jobs like this. Where are these people now? The Bin men went on strike, to support those earning more than they do, where are they now?
The Parking Attendants went on strike, they are also very quiet when a colleague is in need.

Where are the Union members when you need them ehhhhhh?

I haven't heard no support from the Unions, yet they supported the Bin Men whom most were never affected in the first place.

Come on Unions, stand behind one of your fellow workers!
Sorry, I forget, this is one man, hardly a high profile case for Unions to take on.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Some 12 months ago this City was in Chaos trying to save jobs like this. Where are these people now? The Bin men went on strike, to support those earning more than they do, where are they now? The Parking Attendants went on strike, they are also very quiet when a colleague is in need. Where are the Union members when you need them ehhhhhh? I haven't heard no support from the Unions, yet they supported the Bin Men whom most were never affected in the first place. Come on Unions, stand behind one of your fellow workers![/p][/quote]Sorry, I forget, this is one man, hardly a high profile case for Unions to take on. IronLady2010
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10:39pm Thu 9 Aug 12

CookieCutter2 says...

We ALL have to live on less and as one get older even abuse in our old folks homes. But why all the fuss over this articles when both adults are working and drawing a wage. So why are they in a low rent property in the first place. Tenancies ties to property went out with the butler and parlor maids.
We ALL have to live on less and as one get older even abuse in our old folks homes. But why all the fuss over this articles when both adults are working and drawing a wage. So why are they in a low rent property in the first place. Tenancies ties to property went out with the butler and parlor maids. CookieCutter2
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10:45pm Thu 9 Aug 12

clausentum says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
A few thoughts to share. He is 60 years old and has done this job for 26 years. What did he do up to the age of 34? He says this is all he has known his whole life? Not quite true. He knew the house was tied to the job. Same as those in the armed forces, clergy and many many others. He has been offered a 2 bedroom council flat, hardly being thrown out on the street! Some sympathy yes, worthy of outrage headlines in the local rag - no!
I agree. The headline does not match up to the facts and content within the article.

I agree, some sympathy is merited, but only "some".

To lose a home and a job simultaneously is a hard knock to take.

It is not simply the loss of earnings or the loss of accommodation that hurts.

Perhaps more-importantly, it is the sense of sudden loss of personal security which is the real body blow?

As another poster pointed out, the accommodation was not simply their house but their "home" and leaving behind all the memories and sentiments that are invested in a "home" is a real wrench.

Jobs and accommodation are replaceable in the short term if serious effort is put into getting their replacements.

Restoring the sudden loss of personal security takes much longer.

Anyone who suddenly finds themselves faced with one of Life's hard knocks gets my sympathy.

But the article indicates this person is neither homeless nor financially destitute and has alternative housing offered to them. Those facts temper my level of sympathy for their personal plight.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: A few thoughts to share. He is 60 years old and has done this job for 26 years. What did he do up to the age of 34? He says this is all he has known his whole life? Not quite true. He knew the house was tied to the job. Same as those in the armed forces, clergy and many many others. He has been offered a 2 bedroom council flat, hardly being thrown out on the street! Some sympathy yes, worthy of outrage headlines in the local rag - no![/p][/quote]I agree. The headline does not match up to the facts and content within the article. I agree, some sympathy is merited, but only "some". To lose a home and a job simultaneously is a hard knock to take. It is not simply the loss of earnings or the loss of accommodation that hurts. Perhaps more-importantly, it is the sense of sudden loss of personal security which is the real body blow? As another poster pointed out, the accommodation was not simply their house but their "home" and leaving behind all the memories and sentiments that are invested in a "home" is a real wrench. Jobs and accommodation are replaceable in the short term if serious effort is put into getting their replacements. Restoring the sudden loss of personal security takes much longer. Anyone who suddenly finds themselves faced with one of Life's hard knocks gets my sympathy. But the article indicates this person is neither homeless nor financially destitute and has alternative housing offered to them. Those facts temper my level of sympathy for their personal plight. clausentum
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6:16am Fri 10 Aug 12

bigal007 says...

i have to say i have never seen this man up there as my dad is up there most of the work is done by pay back works that are orded by the courts and i have found beer cans on my dads grave when i said something to the worker up there i was told to report it to the council where was he to keep the grave yard safe

so he had a good job just open the gate and locking it up !

its not nice what is going on but its life
i have to say i have never seen this man up there as my dad is up there most of the work is done by pay back works that are orded by the courts and i have found beer cans on my dads grave when i said something to the worker up there i was told to report it to the council where was he to keep the grave yard safe so he had a good job just open the gate and locking it up ! its not nice what is going on but its life bigal007
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8:00am Fri 10 Aug 12

Woolston woman Jane says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Some 12 months ago this City was in Chaos trying to save jobs like this. Where are these people now? The Bin men went on strike, to support those earning more than they do, where are they now?
The Parking Attendants went on strike, they are also very quiet when a colleague is in need.

Where are the Union members when you need them ehhhhhh?

I haven't heard no support from the Unions, yet they supported the Bin Men whom most were never affected in the first place.

Come on Unions, stand behind one of your fellow workers!
Sorry, I forget, this is one man, hardly a high profile case for Unions to take on.
Iron Lady - I would very much doubt that this chap is a union member. As a union member myself, I'd be unhappy if the union used my subscription money to support a non-member. Buy hey! What do I know?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Some 12 months ago this City was in Chaos trying to save jobs like this. Where are these people now? The Bin men went on strike, to support those earning more than they do, where are they now? The Parking Attendants went on strike, they are also very quiet when a colleague is in need. Where are the Union members when you need them ehhhhhh? I haven't heard no support from the Unions, yet they supported the Bin Men whom most were never affected in the first place. Come on Unions, stand behind one of your fellow workers![/p][/quote]Sorry, I forget, this is one man, hardly a high profile case for Unions to take on.[/p][/quote]Iron Lady - I would very much doubt that this chap is a union member. As a union member myself, I'd be unhappy if the union used my subscription money to support a non-member. Buy hey! What do I know? Woolston woman Jane
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8:02am Fri 10 Aug 12

Woolston woman Jane says...

BUT!! Sorry, it's still early
BUT!! Sorry, it's still early Woolston woman Jane
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9:08am Fri 10 Aug 12

mtdiablo says...

Agree Jane. Nothing to say this man is part of a Union, so why should the Unions help him?
Agree Jane. Nothing to say this man is part of a Union, so why should the Unions help him? mtdiablo
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9:18am Fri 10 Aug 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

sass wrote:
charliesaint123 wrote: ok then so just re house the dog they love and have had for 6 years then yeah ??
What is a dog doing in a cemetery?
Looking for bones perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]sass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charliesaint123[/bold] wrote: ok then so just re house the dog they love and have had for 6 years then yeah ??[/p][/quote]What is a dog doing in a cemetery?[/p][/quote]Looking for bones perhaps? OSPREYSAINT
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9:22am Fri 10 Aug 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OceansofRed wrote:
Hold on he is in a 4 bed house for nominal rent!
WAS, now being kicked out of job and home for no good reason other than a bit of measly bean counting.
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: Hold on he is in a 4 bed house for nominal rent![/p][/quote]WAS, now being kicked out of job and home for no good reason other than a bit of measly bean counting. OSPREYSAINT
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9:28am Fri 10 Aug 12

evie cook says...

Walter K wrote:
Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.
@ walter K you talk rubbish
[quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Strip away the sentimentality and it's quite clear that this is all about the accomodation and the couples' desire not to downsize.[/p][/quote]@ walter K you talk rubbish evie cook
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9:30am Fri 10 Aug 12

Shoong says...

Mike Chivers wrote:
The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis.

Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country.
Yeh, don't think I'd trust you with a fiver mate somehow.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Chivers[/bold] wrote: The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis. Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country.[/p][/quote]Yeh, don't think I'd trust you with a fiver mate somehow. Shoong
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9:40am Fri 10 Aug 12

southy says...

Mike Chivers wrote:
The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis.

Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country.
Mike you mean Capitalist its not just the Torys, Labour also.

The way I look at it, any Political and Economic Policy system in place and I don't care what it is, for it to work and work correctly that system owes every one a Job for life, Free Education, Roof over there heads, and food in there belly, a pension at the end of the working life and good welfare and healh system, like the NHS.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Chivers[/bold] wrote: The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis. Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country.[/p][/quote]Mike you mean Capitalist its not just the Torys, Labour also. The way I look at it, any Political and Economic Policy system in place and I don't care what it is, for it to work and work correctly that system owes every one a Job for life, Free Education, Roof over there heads, and food in there belly, a pension at the end of the working life and good welfare and healh system, like the NHS. southy
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9:50am Fri 10 Aug 12

southy says...

clausentum wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
A few thoughts to share. He is 60 years old and has done this job for 26 years. What did he do up to the age of 34? He says this is all he has known his whole life? Not quite true. He knew the house was tied to the job. Same as those in the armed forces, clergy and many many others. He has been offered a 2 bedroom council flat, hardly being thrown out on the street! Some sympathy yes, worthy of outrage headlines in the local rag - no!
I agree. The headline does not match up to the facts and content within the article.

I agree, some sympathy is merited, but only "some".

To lose a home and a job simultaneously is a hard knock to take.

It is not simply the loss of earnings or the loss of accommodation that hurts.

Perhaps more-importantly, it is the sense of sudden loss of personal security which is the real body blow?

As another poster pointed out, the accommodation was not simply their house but their "home" and leaving behind all the memories and sentiments that are invested in a "home" is a real wrench.

Jobs and accommodation are replaceable in the short term if serious effort is put into getting their replacements.

Restoring the sudden loss of personal security takes much longer.

Anyone who suddenly finds themselves faced with one of Life's hard knocks gets my sympathy.

But the article indicates this person is neither homeless nor financially destitute and has alternative housing offered to them. Those facts temper my level of sympathy for their personal plight.
But after 42 years of loyal service, much of it beyond the call of duty, he is now facing eviction after the city council “deleted” his job.
Lisa, 36, said that to add insult to injury the council had offered to redeploy him as a gravedigger – a job he was doing when he was 18.

Adds up to the age of 60 years
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: A few thoughts to share. He is 60 years old and has done this job for 26 years. What did he do up to the age of 34? He says this is all he has known his whole life? Not quite true. He knew the house was tied to the job. Same as those in the armed forces, clergy and many many others. He has been offered a 2 bedroom council flat, hardly being thrown out on the street! Some sympathy yes, worthy of outrage headlines in the local rag - no![/p][/quote]I agree. The headline does not match up to the facts and content within the article. I agree, some sympathy is merited, but only "some". To lose a home and a job simultaneously is a hard knock to take. It is not simply the loss of earnings or the loss of accommodation that hurts. Perhaps more-importantly, it is the sense of sudden loss of personal security which is the real body blow? As another poster pointed out, the accommodation was not simply their house but their "home" and leaving behind all the memories and sentiments that are invested in a "home" is a real wrench. Jobs and accommodation are replaceable in the short term if serious effort is put into getting their replacements. Restoring the sudden loss of personal security takes much longer. Anyone who suddenly finds themselves faced with one of Life's hard knocks gets my sympathy. But the article indicates this person is neither homeless nor financially destitute and has alternative housing offered to them. Those facts temper my level of sympathy for their personal plight.[/p][/quote]But after 42 years of loyal service, much of it beyond the call of duty, he is now facing eviction after the city council “deleted” his job. Lisa, 36, said that to add insult to injury the council had offered to redeploy him as a gravedigger – a job he was doing when he was 18. Adds up to the age of 60 years southy
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10:32am Fri 10 Aug 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Mike Chivers wrote:
The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis.

Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country.
Mike you mean Capitalist its not just the Torys, Labour also.

The way I look at it, any Political and Economic Policy system in place and I don't care what it is, for it to work and work correctly that system owes every one a Job for life, Free Education, Roof over there heads, and food in there belly, a pension at the end of the working life and good welfare and healh system, like the NHS.
'any Political and Economic Policy system in place and I don't care what it is, for it to work and work correctly that system owes every one a Job for life, Free Education, Roof over there heads, and food in there belly, a pension at the end of the working life and good welfare and healh system, like the NHS.'

Lovely sentiments Pete but unfortunately history shows it doesn't work. Once you say the 'system' owes everyone a living, you develop a situation where if one side fails, then it all comes crumbling down. That's why we don't have a USSR anymore.

That's why the world ditched Communism. It's great at first but the people soon get wise to the 'system'. Without aspiration, all the 'system' does is create a stagnant state. All sounds great on paper, it just doesn't work. Not everyone is equal and human nature doesn't work like that - that's when you get it being more 'fair' for the Great Leaders in the countries grand capital and the people end up starving.

Again, your walking around in la-la land but don't have the foggiest how you would fund it all.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Chivers[/bold] wrote: The unsupportive posts here are a salutary reminder that Tories really are the lowest form of life. Always ready to kick the workers trying to serve society rather that the parasites at the top who caused the financial crisis. Why on earth shouldn't everybody be entitled to a job, a house and a pension? We still live in a relatively wealthy country.[/p][/quote]Mike you mean Capitalist its not just the Torys, Labour also. The way I look at it, any Political and Economic Policy system in place and I don't care what it is, for it to work and work correctly that system owes every one a Job for life, Free Education, Roof over there heads, and food in there belly, a pension at the end of the working life and good welfare and healh system, like the NHS.[/p][/quote]'any Political and Economic Policy system in place and I don't care what it is, for it to work and work correctly that system owes every one a Job for life, Free Education, Roof over there heads, and food in there belly, a pension at the end of the working life and good welfare and healh system, like the NHS.' Lovely sentiments Pete but unfortunately history shows it doesn't work. Once you say the 'system' owes everyone a living, you develop a situation where if one side fails, then it all comes crumbling down. That's why we don't have a USSR anymore. That's why the world ditched Communism. It's great at first but the people soon get wise to the 'system'. Without aspiration, all the 'system' does is create a stagnant state. All sounds great on paper, it just doesn't work. Not everyone is equal and human nature doesn't work like that - that's when you get it being more 'fair' for the Great Leaders in the countries grand capital and the people end up starving. Again, your walking around in la-la land but don't have the foggiest how you would fund it all. Shoong
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10:40am Fri 10 Aug 12

ohec says...

So lets have some facts he must have realised that the house went with the job and as such on retirement he would have to move out because had the job still existed they would have required the house for his replacement, whatever plans the council have for the house that is there business-and and totally irrelevant as far as Jim is concerned.
I accept the fact that he has done a good job and done much more than was required by the council but with all due respect that was done off his own back and freewill, the only issue the council are interested in is the hours Jim was contracted for and that is the only issue. All council tenants are aware of the type of tenancy they hold it is not a secret, so at the end of the day all they are doing is asking him to move 4 years earlier than he should have expected to move, and with the current housing shortage it is totally unrealistic to think he would be offered anything other than a flat. So instead of his family moaning and groaning on here i suggest they start being realistic and support Jim & Lorayne in their new life and i hope they will be happy.
So lets have some facts he must have realised that the house went with the job and as such on retirement he would have to move out because had the job still existed they would have required the house for his replacement, whatever plans the council have for the house that is there business-and and totally irrelevant as far as Jim is concerned. I accept the fact that he has done a good job and done much more than was required by the council but with all due respect that was done off his own back and freewill, the only issue the council are interested in is the hours Jim was contracted for and that is the only issue. All council tenants are aware of the type of tenancy they hold it is not a secret, so at the end of the day all they are doing is asking him to move 4 years earlier than he should have expected to move, and with the current housing shortage it is totally unrealistic to think he would be offered anything other than a flat. So instead of his family moaning and groaning on here i suggest they start being realistic and support Jim & Lorayne in their new life and i hope they will be happy. ohec
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10:54am Fri 10 Aug 12

evie cook says...

Am I mistaken.....I thought we voted these councillors in to work on our behalf and if they're not doing that then why are they getting the astronomical amounts of money for expenses and so many thousands on top from the council tax we pay. They need to realise the amount of money we pay them can so easily be stopped at the next local elections. Leave Jim and Lorayne where they are. SCC your are out of order AGAIN. Stop treating people of Southampton like a piece of GARBAGE
Am I mistaken.....I thought we voted these councillors in to work on our behalf and if they're not doing that then why are they getting the astronomical amounts of money for expenses and so many thousands on top from the council tax we pay. They need to realise the amount of money we pay them can so easily be stopped at the next local elections. Leave Jim and Lorayne where they are. SCC your are out of order AGAIN. Stop treating people of Southampton like a piece of GARBAGE evie cook
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11:51am Fri 10 Aug 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

ohec wrote:
So lets have some facts he must have realised that the house went with the job and as such on retirement he would have to move out because had the job still existed they would have required the house for his replacement, whatever plans the council have for the house that is there business-and and totally irrelevant as far as Jim is concerned. I accept the fact that he has done a good job and done much more than was required by the council but with all due respect that was done off his own back and freewill, the only issue the council are interested in is the hours Jim was contracted for and that is the only issue. All council tenants are aware of the type of tenancy they hold it is not a secret, so at the end of the day all they are doing is asking him to move 4 years earlier than he should have expected to move, and with the current housing shortage it is totally unrealistic to think he would be offered anything other than a flat. So instead of his family moaning and groaning on here i suggest they start being realistic and support Jim & Lorayne in their new life and i hope they will be happy.
Then again I guess you are nicely off, secure house, no worries about losing your job? Hardly in a position to judge really.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: So lets have some facts he must have realised that the house went with the job and as such on retirement he would have to move out because had the job still existed they would have required the house for his replacement, whatever plans the council have for the house that is there business-and and totally irrelevant as far as Jim is concerned. I accept the fact that he has done a good job and done much more than was required by the council but with all due respect that was done off his own back and freewill, the only issue the council are interested in is the hours Jim was contracted for and that is the only issue. All council tenants are aware of the type of tenancy they hold it is not a secret, so at the end of the day all they are doing is asking him to move 4 years earlier than he should have expected to move, and with the current housing shortage it is totally unrealistic to think he would be offered anything other than a flat. So instead of his family moaning and groaning on here i suggest they start being realistic and support Jim & Lorayne in their new life and i hope they will be happy.[/p][/quote]Then again I guess you are nicely off, secure house, no worries about losing your job? Hardly in a position to judge really. OSPREYSAINT
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1:48pm Fri 10 Aug 12

evie cook says...

Am I mistaken.....I thought we voted these councillors in to work on our behalf and if they're not doing that then why are they getting the astronomical amounts of money for expenses and so many thousands on top from the council tax we pay. They need to realise the amount of money we pay them can so easily be stopped at the next local elections. Leave Jim and Lorayne where they are. SCC your are out of order AGAIN. Stop treating people of Southampton like a piece of GARBAGE
Am I mistaken.....I thought we voted these councillors in to work on our behalf and if they're not doing that then why are they getting the astronomical amounts of money for expenses and so many thousands on top from the council tax we pay. They need to realise the amount of money we pay them can so easily be stopped at the next local elections. Leave Jim and Lorayne where they are. SCC your are out of order AGAIN. Stop treating people of Southampton like a piece of GARBAGE evie cook
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1:57pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Pinguboy says...

ohec wrote:
So lets have some facts he must have realised that the house went with the job and as such on retirement he would have to move out because had the job still existed they would have required the house for his replacement, whatever plans the council have for the house that is there business-and and totally irrelevant as far as Jim is concerned.
I accept the fact that he has done a good job and done much more than was required by the council but with all due respect that was done off his own back and freewill, the only issue the council are interested in is the hours Jim was contracted for and that is the only issue. All council tenants are aware of the type of tenancy they hold it is not a secret, so at the end of the day all they are doing is asking him to move 4 years earlier than he should have expected to move, and with the current housing shortage it is totally unrealistic to think he would be offered anything other than a flat. So instead of his family moaning and groaning on here i suggest they start being realistic and support Jim & Lorayne in their new life and i hope they will be happy.
ohec, can I say that is a superb post, you and myself that have from an early age been installed with morals, a traditional upbringing and a balance of being fair? This article highlights where society is going wrong, it no longer rewards hard work over a persons life to one 'company'.
Couple of errors in the paper, Jim has worked at the cemetery for 42 years when he started out in 1970 as a gravedigger. The council need to save 15m this year, I find it difficult, especially after researching the council spend for the last 12 months that the council have hired over 500 cars, this is not vans this is just leased cars, company cars! Three vehicles per annum would save his salary alone. But what seems to be the issue is that they are just wanting his house.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: So lets have some facts he must have realised that the house went with the job and as such on retirement he would have to move out because had the job still existed they would have required the house for his replacement, whatever plans the council have for the house that is there business-and and totally irrelevant as far as Jim is concerned. I accept the fact that he has done a good job and done much more than was required by the council but with all due respect that was done off his own back and freewill, the only issue the council are interested in is the hours Jim was contracted for and that is the only issue. All council tenants are aware of the type of tenancy they hold it is not a secret, so at the end of the day all they are doing is asking him to move 4 years earlier than he should have expected to move, and with the current housing shortage it is totally unrealistic to think he would be offered anything other than a flat. So instead of his family moaning and groaning on here i suggest they start being realistic and support Jim & Lorayne in their new life and i hope they will be happy.[/p][/quote]ohec, can I say that is a superb post, you and myself that have from an early age been installed with morals, a traditional upbringing and a balance of being fair? This article highlights where society is going wrong, it no longer rewards hard work over a persons life to one 'company'. Couple of errors in the paper, Jim has worked at the cemetery for 42 years when he started out in 1970 as a gravedigger. The council need to save 15m this year, I find it difficult, especially after researching the council spend for the last 12 months that the council have hired over 500 cars, this is not vans this is just leased cars, company cars! Three vehicles per annum would save his salary alone. But what seems to be the issue is that they are just wanting his house. Pinguboy
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5:33pm Fri 10 Aug 12

bigal007 says...

like i say my dad is up there i have never seen this man up there and they use pay back where courts order them to work for free and iv seen a few grave digers up there so he was payed to lock the gate at night and unlock it

i have been up there and found beer cans on my dads grave which i tryed to report where no one did nothing about it up the grave sit and was told to phone the council so what was his job up there a over paid gate keeper

its not nice to lose your home the wardens who work in tower blocks have to give up there place when they fish there jobs he must of know that at the end of the day
like i say my dad is up there i have never seen this man up there and they use pay back where courts order them to work for free and iv seen a few grave digers up there so he was payed to lock the gate at night and unlock it i have been up there and found beer cans on my dads grave which i tryed to report where no one did nothing about it up the grave sit and was told to phone the council so what was his job up there a over paid gate keeper its not nice to lose your home the wardens who work in tower blocks have to give up there place when they fish there jobs he must of know that at the end of the day bigal007
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8:49pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Them dry bones dry bones blame the PM you got to work till your 63!
Them dry bones dry bones blame the PM you got to work till your 63! Fatty x Ford Worker
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11:25pm Fri 10 Aug 12

sarfhamton says...

Rod Stewart used to be a grave digger and he seems to a happy OAP
Rod Stewart used to be a grave digger and he seems to a happy OAP sarfhamton
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12:43am Sat 11 Aug 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

It seems we have dug ourselves into a grave situation, can we bury the subject? Those gravestones shouldn't be taken for granite though.
It seems we have dug ourselves into a grave situation, can we bury the subject? Those gravestones shouldn't be taken for granite though. OSPREYSAINT
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7:25pm Mon 13 Aug 12

kryszynka says...

I found it difficult to comprehend the council's decision regarding Jim Emery's redundancy. To lose such a dedicated, experienced and compassionate employee who has served the council and the people of Southampton for so long is beyond understanding. He is always available to help, advise and just listen to people who are in distress or have been bereaved. No he is being discarded. No consultation. To be replaced by whom or what? How can his generous offer to unlock/lock gates and oversee the cemetery for a reduced rent be dismissed to easily? How much will it cost to replace someone to do this, less efficiently and less committed? Who will keep vandals out? Who will keep illegal car parking out? Who will be available whenthere are problems? This is false economy. Please think again council. This could end up being more expense than you think.
I found it difficult to comprehend the council's decision regarding Jim Emery's redundancy. To lose such a dedicated, experienced and compassionate employee who has served the council and the people of Southampton for so long is beyond understanding. He is always available to help, advise and just listen to people who are in distress or have been bereaved. No he is being discarded. No consultation. To be replaced by whom or what? How can his generous offer to unlock/lock gates and oversee the cemetery for a reduced rent be dismissed to easily? How much will it cost to replace someone to do this, less efficiently and less committed? Who will keep vandals out? Who will keep illegal car parking out? Who will be available whenthere are problems? This is false economy. Please think again council. This could end up being more expense than you think. kryszynka
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9:04am Tue 14 Aug 12

bigal007 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Pinguboy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake.
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I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant.
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So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat ..
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He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position.
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FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.
LR -

What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home?

Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil.

Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job.

I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?
Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll.
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Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to.
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Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ......
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You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? ....
..... was he offered another job .
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YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want.
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My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No
LIKE IT!!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinguboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: What a massive load of knee jerk reactions for x's sake. . I feel sympathy for him, ........ but i feel sympathy for anyone made redundant. . So what if he has been ther 40 years .. many people are in the same boat .. . He will be paid redundacy ..... offered alternative accomodation ...... plus another council position. . FFS some of you .... get the real world will you ....... there are 00,000's being made redundant ... some without pay off ..... nearly all without accomodation offered and nearly all without another job being offered.[/p][/quote]LR - What is the real world? Where Loyalty and honesty count for nothing, where the promise of being kept in your home from the very employers who are kicking you out of that home? Yes Jim has been offered positions, positions that the council KNOW that he cannot fulfil. Put your feet in Jim's shoes, a 60 year old man, devoting his life to the community, opening your door to grieving loved ones day and night, sitting with them, helping them to the best of his ability, and then being told, the once secure home he lived in, is now being taken away, along with his job. I don't know, I really wonder about our society, and where was the corner that people turned to be so cynical?[/p][/quote]Loyalty and honesty dont count for much these days ..... as someone pointed out....... you are just a number on a payroll. . Pewrhaps he will be offered a different position ......... He is being offered alternative accomodation ...... and they dont have to. . Its not about being cynical it is the "real world" ...... . You have to ask yourself ....... So 40 years ...... was he paid for it ? Did he do his job ? .......... Was he offered alternative accomodation ? .... ..... was he offered another job . . YES to all the above. What the hell more do you want. . My father worked at a job for 43 years. = Pay off ( small ) Accomodation = No ........ Another position in the same company = No[/p][/quote]LIKE IT!! bigal007
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