Sex club 'declares war' on council (From Daily Echo)
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Club Kiss sex hotel in Southampton 'declares war' on council
10:20am Monday 1st October 2012 in Southampton
By Luke Tugby, Senior reporter
Owner Martin Millar pictured in one of the Club Kiss rooms in Milton House in Southampton
YOU have declared war on us.
That is the defiant warning from council chiefs to owners of a “kinky hotel” in Southampton, after it officially opened its doors at the weekend.
Club Kiss hosted its grand opening event in Woolston on Saturday night despite not having planning permission from Southampton City Council.
As revealed by the Daily Echo earlier this month, the new hotel, in St Anne’s Road, has replaced the former JCT2 club, which operated in Salisbury Road, Calmore.
That was ordered to close after planning inspectors agreed that it was being run illegally as a business from a residential property.
Now council chiefs in Southampton have vowed to “fight tooth and nail” to make sure that the new venue is also shut down.
The Club Kiss website is already boasting a stacked programme of events throughout October and November, including a lower key “Greedy Girls Night”, which took place on Friday. Saturday’s “Couples and Singles Grand Opening Party” ran from 9pm until 2am, offering guests “the perfect night for meeting other couples and single males/females”.
The Daily Echo saw a handful of local people hanging around for a look at what was going on. Many of those going into the club were young men, while the women were older and scantily-clad.
The property, which was once used as an NHS rehabilitation centre, has been reinvented by owner Martin Millar, who has installed two “superbly equipped dungeons” and a “kinky room”.
The building, named Milton House, also features five themed “playrooms”, a “UV room” and a “mirror room”.
Mr Millar, 37, said: “I understand that some local residents are unhappy about the arrival of my venue in the area.
They are of course fully entitled to their opinions.
“We are simply opening a hotel which is also open to those who enjoy an alternative lifestyle. The events that we will be holding do not attract a large number of people, so will not cause any traffic or parking problems.”
He added: “The average age of those attending is 40-plus. It is not going to be youngsters who may get drunk and be too noisy.
“I will stress strongly to all our guests that at all times they should respect the privacy of our neighbours, especially when leaving the venue.
“If any of the residents would like to visit the venue and chat to me then I am more than happy to do that.”
Ward councillor Warwick Payne, the council’s leisure supremo, confirmed that Mr Millar had submitted a planning application to use the property as a hotel, which is yet to be considered.
Cllr Payne added: “By pressing ahead with this, the owners have declared war on Southampton City Council.
“It doesn’t have planning permission, it doesn’t have a sex licence and it is therefore operating in complete disregard of the council and the local residents.
“They are flying in the face of our regulations and flying in the face of people who don’t want this in their neighbourhood.
“We are going to fight tooth and nail to get the club closed down.”
A spokesman for Hampshire police said: “We are aware of the concerns over the opening of Club Kiss and are speaking with the council about it and monitoring the situation closely.
“At this moment in time it does not appear they are breaching any criminal laws or doing anything that requires them to a have a licence.
“However we will be keeping a close eye on what they are doing and will take robust action should this change.”
"It's not right to force it on us", say residents
PEOPLE living in St Annes Road were last night coming to terms with the fact that they now live next to a busy swingers’ club.
Everyone the Daily Echo spoke to described their horror – and bemusement – that their quiet city suburb was now a destination for those seeking kinky thrills.
They also expressed anger at the brazenness of opening before any licensing or planning permission had been granted.
Many of the neighbours are pensioners and said they felt intimidated by the late night comings
and goings.
One 79-year-old woman, who has lived in her home for 43 years, said dozens of cars were parked up and down the street on Saturday evening after the club’s car park was full, while taxis came and went with clients.
She said: “It has made me nervous. I can’t sleep properly because there is all this noise at night. There was music and loud voices. How long will this go on?”
The neighbourhood is also home to young families. One mum told the Daily Echo
how she visited the club website and became alarmed at the packed programme of events.
She said: “It is horrible. There are things on in the daytime when people are going past with their children.
“I don’t want to tell people how to live their lives, but it not right to force it on us like this.”
Comments(84)
ohec
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10:57am Mon 1 Oct 12
Nicole23
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10:57am Mon 1 Oct 12
Mr. Miyagi
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11:23am Mon 1 Oct 12
I imagine there are many streets in Southampton where kinky thrills goes on, just that anybody walking past would never know. What people do behind closed doors and with curtains closed is nobody else business. As long as they don't start doing it in the street or leaving the windows open so people can hear, who are they bothering. The issue I can see that needs addressing is the parking situation.
elvisimo
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11:27am Mon 1 Oct 12
Not the sharpest tool in the box - he could have lined this up beforehand and the council would not have been able to do anything.
Mr. Miyagi
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11:29am Mon 1 Oct 12
ToastyTea
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11:37am Mon 1 Oct 12
Here, There
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11:45am Mon 1 Oct 12
sarfhamton
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11:56am Mon 1 Oct 12
skin2000
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12:20pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Inform Al
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12:21pm Mon 1 Oct 12
wizard
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12:26pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ToastyTea wrote:So woolston is full of "vile" people is it?
The locals need to get over themselves, I'm sure there is more trouble caused from the many vile people that live in Woolston (walking home from the pub etc at the weekend).
Pikston
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12:33pm Mon 1 Oct 12
The building is in view from my house, and I have to say I saw nothing on Friday or Saturday night which bothered me, there wasn't loud noises, large groups of people or anything that would distinguish it as a house of ill repute (or even a business). To anyone walking past the building, they would not know anything about it. (In a strange/morbid way it was a bit of anti climax)
What does concern me, is my house price (I've noticed the house directly behind it on Temple Road has a sold sign up...I wonder how they feel!!) If people keep reporting every 'disturbance' to the police, the crime rate for St Annes Road will go through the roof, not helpful for prospective sellers. Plus if it doesn't reduce the value, it might make it less saleable.
I do think the area which is mainly elderly residents probably isn't right for something like that.
I think the chap is a chancer, and is probably only planning on trading until his permission gets rejected. Although I bet he find a way to prolong the application for as long as possible (missing bits of info etc)
Ultimately I am indifferent to it, and I think day to day it will have less of an affect than the Bowls club, the Jewsons and Scout Hut on St Annes Road, but at night we are away from most pubs and rarely have any night time disturbances, so I am worried that this may change...especially after a nice bit of front page advertising.
If anyone wants it shut down immediately I wonder how they'd cope with a fire safety inspection??
Taskforce 141
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12:49pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Inform Al wrote:And how did you come to be in this world?
Oh dear, not only do most of Southampton's bigots, inbreds etc post on this site, but now apparently most of the city's perverts. Oh well whatever tuirns you on, but personally the thought of this activity going on near families with kids, and the sort of near humans using the facilities, does fill me with apprehension.
I'll explain your mummy and daddy went at it, perhaps in the thrill of moment and the passion flowing, perhaps some light spanking was involved, or they just laid there grinding with their eyes closed hoping for the horrifying moment to end - I don't know, but i can say with certainty - they did not play scrabble and penetration was involved!
Now you have got over yourself, please try and understand that this is an adult club for adults, who are like minded, engaging in acts they find enjoyable without disturbing the rest of us.
Its behind closed doors, and had the Echo not decided to be busy bodies and stir the pot who exactly would of known it was a slice of kinky heaven?
skin2000
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12:57pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Inform Al wrote:Bit harsh on the posters?
Oh dear, not only do most of Southampton's bigots, inbreds etc post on this site, but now apparently most of the city's perverts. Oh well whatever tuirns you on, but personally the thought of this activity going on near families with kids, and the sort of near humans using the facilities, does fill me with apprehension.
skin2000
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12:58pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Inform Al wrote:Bit harsh on the posters?
Oh dear, not only do most of Southampton's bigots, inbreds etc post on this site, but now apparently most of the city's perverts. Oh well whatever tuirns you on, but personally the thought of this activity going on near families with kids, and the sort of near humans using the facilities, does fill me with apprehension.
userds5050
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1:13pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Mr. Miyagi wrote:I don't think that's the problem to be honest. It's all the extra traffic, cars parked in the street. He's doesn't have a license to run a business out of this property. It's got nothing to do with sex ect... Just something to throw at the prudes when they rightly complain about the disruption this business causes in their residential street.
I can only guess that this fellas' previous club in Calmore was operational for quite some time without any problem, until the council found out about it, probably from the local residents with nothing better to complain about. Some people need to be a bit more open-minded about other peoples' interests and activities. This is a growing interest by all accounts. I wouldn't be surprised if the ones who complain actually have friends or family they may frequent a club like this, just they would never broadcast the fact!
menotyou
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1:14pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Georgem
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1:16pm Mon 1 Oct 12
menotyou wrote:Who's getting paid to have sex with anyone? It's a meeting place for swingers.
i was under the imperession that this was a brothel? calling it a sex hotel or club does not take away from the fact that the girls who work there are paid to have sex with the guests ergo that makes it a brothel dosent it?
Taskforce 141
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1:20pm Mon 1 Oct 12
menotyou wrote:No one gets paid for sex, no one works there, it is a meeting place for like minded individuals - what happens after meeting is down to the individuals concerned.
i was under the imperession that this was a brothel? calling it a sex hotel or club does not take away from the fact that the girls who work there are paid to have sex with the guests ergo that makes it a brothel dosent it?
wizard
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1:28pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ToastyTea wrote:Yeah big problem!! you vile little man
wizard wrote:that's basically what I said wasn't it, problem ?
ToastyTea wrote: The locals need to get over themselves, I'm sure there is more trouble caused from the many vile people that live in Woolston (walking home from the pub etc at the weekend).So woolston is full of "vile" people is it?
SotonLad
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1:31pm Mon 1 Oct 12
And to top it off you are now providing more coverage and free advertising for the new venue!
WELL DONE DAILY ECHO!
st1halo
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1:38pm Mon 1 Oct 12
userds5050 wrote:Isnt this the same street where Jewsons is ?? I dont see how this could make it worse.
Mr. Miyagi wrote:I don't think that's the problem to be honest. It's all the extra traffic, cars parked in the street. He's doesn't have a license to run a business out of this property. It's got nothing to do with sex ect... Just something to throw at the prudes when they rightly complain about the disruption this business causes in their residential street.
I can only guess that this fellas' previous club in Calmore was operational for quite some time without any problem, until the council found out about it, probably from the local residents with nothing better to complain about. Some people need to be a bit more open-minded about other peoples' interests and activities. This is a growing interest by all accounts. I wouldn't be surprised if the ones who complain actually have friends or family they may frequent a club like this, just they would never broadcast the fact!
What adults do behind closed doors is their own business as long as consentual and doesnt bother me at all, although I agree he should get the necessary licences as the law is the law
(Sex licence? What is that? Do we all have to get one now?)
What does concern me is Cllr. Payne's Nazi-like language. The owners have declared war on SCC? We will fight tooth and nail to get it closed down??.... Reminds me of the taxi driver stickers affair and We will hunt them down!!
Too much power to the head if you ask me.
Sooz1988
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1:40pm Mon 1 Oct 12
CyberWarrior
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1:42pm Mon 1 Oct 12
menotyou
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1:52pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:not sure if naming names would get me into trouble but i know for a fact that girls are paid to have sex at this establishment as i am unfortunate enough to have met one of them - this particular girl told my brother she was working in a "club" as an "events organiser" when they were together only for us to find out she was taking part in these "events"... she is on a rather good wage aswell........
menotyou wrote:Who's getting paid to have sex with anyone? It's a meeting place for swingers.
i was under the imperession that this was a brothel? calling it a sex hotel or club does not take away from the fact that the girls who work there are paid to have sex with the guests ergo that makes it a brothel dosent it?
Dasal
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1:53pm Mon 1 Oct 12
wizard wrote:I wasn't aware you lived in Woolston, "Toasty" !!!
ToastyTea wrote:Yeah big problem!! you vile little manwizard wrote:that's basically what I said wasn't it, problem ?ToastyTea wrote: The locals need to get over themselves, I'm sure there is more trouble caused from the many vile people that live in Woolston (walking home from the pub etc at the weekend).So woolston is full of "vile" people is it?
Graeme Harrison
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2:06pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:I think I've identified the resident in question:
It is horrible. There are things on in the daytime when people are going past with their children.
Ah, the old "The children!" routine. What relevance does this have? None whatsoever. Kids "going past" it? So what? It's not like they're aware of it. Well, not until people start kicking up this amount of fuss, anyway.
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Stephen J
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2:13pm Mon 1 Oct 12
The councillor claims he will "fight tooth and nail" to get the place closed down. With a comment like that he needs to be careful he hasn't already left the council wide open to appeal if the pending planning application is refused.
Still, if Mr Millar is either chucked out of or decides to pack up in St Anne's Road, maybe he could ask to hold his "theme evenings" in the local church hall. I mean, it's not yoga, is it?
Georgem
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2:20pm Mon 1 Oct 12
menotyou wrote:It's not going to be classified as a brothel on hearsay, though.
Georgem wrote:not sure if naming names would get me into trouble but i know for a fact that girls are paid to have sex at this establishment as i am unfortunate enough to have met one of them - this particular girl told my brother she was working in a "club" as an "events organiser" when they were together only for us to find out she was taking part in these "events"... she is on a rather good wage aswell........
menotyou wrote:Who's getting paid to have sex with anyone? It's a meeting place for swingers.
i was under the imperession that this was a brothel? calling it a sex hotel or club does not take away from the fact that the girls who work there are paid to have sex with the guests ergo that makes it a brothel dosent it?
Stephen J
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2:33pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Chas O'Bursledon
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2:37pm Mon 1 Oct 12
George4th
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2:50pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Inform Al
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2:58pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Taskforce 141 wrote:Simple answer to your ridiculous question. Mummy and Daddy did not need to go to a seedy 'hotel' for the immaculate conception of their fortunately very modest son.
Inform Al wrote:And how did you come to be in this world?
Oh dear, not only do most of Southampton's bigots, inbreds etc post on this site, but now apparently most of the city's perverts. Oh well whatever tuirns you on, but personally the thought of this activity going on near families with kids, and the sort of near humans using the facilities, does fill me with apprehension.
I'll explain your mummy and daddy went at it, perhaps in the thrill of moment and the passion flowing, perhaps some light spanking was involved, or they just laid there grinding with their eyes closed hoping for the horrifying moment to end - I don't know, but i can say with certainty - they did not play scrabble and penetration was involved!
Now you have got over yourself, please try and understand that this is an adult club for adults, who are like minded, engaging in acts they find enjoyable without disturbing the rest of us.
Its behind closed doors, and had the Echo not decided to be busy bodies and stir the pot who exactly would of known it was a slice of kinky heaven?
Stephen J
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2:59pm Mon 1 Oct 12
George4th wrote:You sound very well informed.
These kind of establishments are mostly used by people who have an inability to form committed and/or loving relationships.
userds5050
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3:04pm Mon 1 Oct 12
st1halo wrote:Yeah, I was a bit surprised by his language. Thought it might just be the Echo taking artistic license with what he said. Someone else posted earlier that there wasn't that much noise, traffic either. So who knows?
userds5050 wrote:Isnt this the same street where Jewsons is ?? I dont see how this could make it worse.
Mr. Miyagi wrote:I don't think that's the problem to be honest. It's all the extra traffic, cars parked in the street. He's doesn't have a license to run a business out of this property. It's got nothing to do with sex ect... Just something to throw at the prudes when they rightly complain about the disruption this business causes in their residential street.
I can only guess that this fellas' previous club in Calmore was operational for quite some time without any problem, until the council found out about it, probably from the local residents with nothing better to complain about. Some people need to be a bit more open-minded about other peoples' interests and activities. This is a growing interest by all accounts. I wouldn't be surprised if the ones who complain actually have friends or family they may frequent a club like this, just they would never broadcast the fact!
What adults do behind closed doors is their own business as long as consentual and doesnt bother me at all, although I agree he should get the necessary licences as the law is the law
(Sex licence? What is that? Do we all have to get one now?)
What does concern me is Cllr. Payne's Nazi-like language. The owners have declared war on SCC? We will fight tooth and nail to get it closed down??.... Reminds me of the taxi driver stickers affair and We will hunt them down!!
Too much power to the head if you ask me.
saint robbie
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3:11pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:There used to be a burger van opposite the old site which me and my work mate used for lunch on a daily basis (the burger van) from here you would frequently see men of all ages driving in during the day time and occasionally the girls would come out for there lunch. Strong rumour in the local area is that it was operated as a brothel during the day time.
menotyou wrote:It's not going to be classified as a brothel on hearsay, though.Georgem wrote:not sure if naming names would get me into trouble but i know for a fact that girls are paid to have sex at this establishment as i am unfortunate enough to have met one of them - this particular girl told my brother she was working in a "club" as an "events organiser" when they were together only for us to find out she was taking part in these "events"... she is on a rather good wage aswell........menotyou wrote: i was under the imperession that this was a brothel? calling it a sex hotel or club does not take away from the fact that the girls who work there are paid to have sex with the guests ergo that makes it a brothel dosent it?Who's getting paid to have sex with anyone? It's a meeting place for swingers.
lesleya12
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3:32pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ToastyTea
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3:41pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Dasal wrote:Why on earth would I want to live in Woolston, vile place.
wizard wrote:I wasn't aware you lived in Woolston, "Toasty" !!!ToastyTea wrote:Yeah big problem!! you vile little manwizard wrote:that's basically what I said wasn't it, problem ?ToastyTea wrote: The locals need to get over themselves, I'm sure there is more trouble caused from the many vile people that live in Woolston (walking home from the pub etc at the weekend).So woolston is full of "vile" people is it?
S!monOn
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3:43pm Mon 1 Oct 12
saint robbie wrote:Thats ok... the brothel won't be called a brothel so it's all cushty :)
Georgem wrote:There used to be a burger van opposite the old site which me and my work mate used for lunch on a daily basis (the burger van) from here you would frequently see men of all ages driving in during the day time and occasionally the girls would come out for there lunch. Strong rumour in the local area is that it was operated as a brothel during the day time.menotyou wrote:It's not going to be classified as a brothel on hearsay, though.Georgem wrote:not sure if naming names would get me into trouble but i know for a fact that girls are paid to have sex at this establishment as i am unfortunate enough to have met one of them - this particular girl told my brother she was working in a "club" as an "events organiser" when they were together only for us to find out she was taking part in these "events"... she is on a rather good wage aswell........menotyou wrote: i was under the imperession that this was a brothel? calling it a sex hotel or club does not take away from the fact that the girls who work there are paid to have sex with the guests ergo that makes it a brothel dosent it?Who's getting paid to have sex with anyone? It's a meeting place for swingers.
As an alternative, maybe he could open a burger bar with private rooms upstairs for patrons to share their burgers with strangers?
grant981
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4:07pm Mon 1 Oct 12
as for the crime wave thats gojng to hit, not once in the time of jct2 did i witness any crime.
And as for George4th comment "These kind of establishments are mostly used by people who have an inability to form committed and/or loving relationships."
HOW VERY DARE YOU! have you ever been to one of these places or are you the sterotypical married for years 2.4 child missionary only sexed life person that the tory govenment wish to reward. as apposed to us single people?
loosehead
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4:08pm Mon 1 Oct 12
The locals see how it goes & then it either runs along quietly & happily or it doesn't get enough clients & dies.
Or the Echo can report it,The council can declare war on it & the establishment get's all the advertising it could want?
the kids who shouldn't be out late at night will now know what it's about & curiosity will be unleashed Well aren't the Echo & council clever?
Stephen J
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4:10pm Mon 1 Oct 12
SotonLad
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4:16pm Mon 1 Oct 12
loosehead wrote:Spot on!
So the Echo doesn't report it?
The locals see how it goes & then it either runs along quietly & happily or it doesn't get enough clients & dies.
Or the Echo can report it,The council can declare war on it & the establishment get's all the advertising it could want?
the kids who shouldn't be out late at night will now know what it's about & curiosity will be unleashed Well aren't the Echo & council clever?
Stephen J
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4:21pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Scott_OOOSH
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4:28pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ottred
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4:40pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ToastyTea
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4:58pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ottred wrote:*raises eyes* I'm sure you would.
Do I have a problem with a consensual sex 'club' in Woolston? No I don't. But if it was next to my house I'd burn it down.
The Grinch
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4:58pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Or perhaps a new discount voucher service could come out of this - called Hardon....
bigal007
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5:26pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Here, There wrote:lol
Mostly young men and scantily clad older women ?? Is this simply a relaunch of Turpins ?
RealTalkSouthampton
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5:39pm Mon 1 Oct 12
So my point is the next time you see somebody smoking in the car with child in the back. The next time you see a pregnant woman having a small glass of wine. Let your voice be heard!
Another point where should this type of establishment go in a modern city like Southampton
Mr. Miyagi
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5:47pm Mon 1 Oct 12
CyberWarrior wrote:Well said Cyber. Can you please run for councillor.
In an age where alcohol and drug fuelled violence are common place, why the fuss about where a few swingers park, whilst having a good (consensual) time?? I think its morally outrageous that in some areas (parts of Woolston included) you daren't even go into the shop for fear of running the gauntlet through a gang of p***ed up abusive chavs. The same goes for all decent folk who live on estates or in tower blocks and have to put up with the fall-out from various scum and their illegal activities. Try getting the council (or the Police) to act swiftly to to an end to that misery and you're on a hiding to nothing. The council should be waging war on the type of people and associated activities that bring misery to thousands of us, not a bunch of consenting adults having sex with each other in private. (Shock horror! people having sex!). The council should grow up and gets it's priorities right!
Stephen J
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5:50pm Mon 1 Oct 12
RealTalkSouthampton wrote:Where? I'm not sure it really matters. Customers will probably be prepared to travel some distance to it so its actual location isn't that important.
really strange world we live in. Sex all over tv. Kids wearing makeup and short skirts to school, the glorification of Chav culture and the list goes on... Yet this didn't happen overnight.
So my point is the next time you see somebody smoking in the car with child in the back. The next time you see a pregnant woman having a small glass of wine. Let your voice be heard!
Another point where should this type of establishment go in a modern city like Southampton
Stroppy_gramps
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5:54pm Mon 1 Oct 12
I know where the previous place was (not that I ever went there because.... well because this kind of thing just isn't me) The location was much more discreet and out of the way - not close to any schools as far as my battered, beer soaked memory can remember.
Tbh a better plan would have been to meet with the owner of the previous place and sort out the legal paperwork to enable him to stay there.
A bit short sighted by the council tbh.
Thing is you see, people will always be up in arms about this kind of thing because they just don't live their lives in the same way and don't want to see this kind of thing. Because we live in a democracy both parties must be allowed an equal opportunity to live their lives as they wish.
It would have been far far better for the council and this guy to sit down and come to an agreement about where to site the place. A frank, free conversation lasting an hour would have been so much better and not led to this kind of silly story
Mr. Miyagi
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5:57pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ToastyTea wrote:Which will no doubt take your own house with it. Prat!
ottred wrote:*raises eyes* I'm sure you would.
Do I have a problem with a consensual sex 'club' in Woolston? No I don't. But if it was next to my house I'd burn it down.
peter.maidment
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5:59pm Mon 1 Oct 12
come at me bro
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6:02pm Mon 1 Oct 12
“At this moment in time it does not appear they are breaching any criminal laws or doing anything that requires them to a have a licence.
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i mean if the police say they are not braking the law and dont need a licence to do what they are doing. i think the council needs to wind thier neck in and stop trying to thier name in the paper all the time.
Stephen J
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6:19pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Stroppy_gramps wrote:I completely agree, but in reality it couldn't have been done discreetly. It would have been subject to a planning application, which invites public comment. See above to get some idea of how that would have gone. No councillor in their right mind would then support the application and run the risk of being remembered at election time as the one who "let that sex place go ahead!"
While I fully support the individuals freedom to live the lifestyle they want to pursue I do think the location could have been better thought out.
I know where the previous place was (not that I ever went there because.... well because this kind of thing just isn't me) The location was much more discreet and out of the way - not close to any schools as far as my battered, beer soaked memory can remember.
Tbh a better plan would have been to meet with the owner of the previous place and sort out the legal paperwork to enable him to stay there.
A bit short sighted by the council tbh.
Thing is you see, people will always be up in arms about this kind of thing because they just don't live their lives in the same way and don't want to see this kind of thing. Because we live in a democracy both parties must be allowed an equal opportunity to live their lives as they wish.
It would have been far far better for the council and this guy to sit down and come to an agreement about where to site the place. A frank, free conversation lasting an hour would have been so much better and not led to this kind of silly story
TheJoiners
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7:01pm Mon 1 Oct 12
"is this the relaunch of Turpins"
Good luck with your venture Mr Millar
chunky_lover
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7:44pm Mon 1 Oct 12
acid drop
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8:11pm Mon 1 Oct 12
skin2000 wrote:Yes buy one get one free
Do they have a Happy Hour?
Call2Arms
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8:11pm Mon 1 Oct 12
magman
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9:44pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Why does the article in the Echo and the comments from Mr Payne mention sex licenses when the police say there's no problems re licenses required?
I went to the venue on Saturday arrived pretty late and walking along the road you could not hear any noise at all. People did tell me though that there had been a lot of noise from the festival held in the city on Saturday and that was a fair way away. Yes there were a lot of cars in St Annes Rd but they certainly weren't all heading for Club Kiss considering the number of people in the club (many of which were couples), the car park was not full as stated in the article.
Simple fact is that there is nothing that would let people know what kind of establishment the venue is, it's not like FYEO, the only reason people know what it is is because of the publicity in the Echo.
Yes there were some people there in their 20s but the vast majority were in their 40s/50s. No drunkedness, no fighting unlike a lot of the pubs in the city day in day out.
Everything happens behind closed doors, no need for any parent to worry about children walking past the club during a daytime event, they simply won't ever see anything.
dolomiteman
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10:19pm Mon 1 Oct 12
userds5050
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10:41pm Mon 1 Oct 12
magman wrote:I think the council can require a premise to have a certain license without it becoming a police matter. I think there is is a little bit of ignorance on these boards as to the amount of power the council has. They can bring a criminal prosecution against someone without the police's involvement. The police may not be aware an offence has even been committed through sheer ignorance. The new squatting laws were only brought in because most police officers didn't know it was illegal to squat in an already occupied premise. It's simply not acceptable to say "Well the police say it's ok."
'war' is a pretty strong word and of course one from the politician not the actual club itself.
Why does the article in the Echo and the comments from Mr Payne mention sex licenses when the police say there's no problems re licenses required?
I went to the venue on Saturday arrived pretty late and walking along the road you could not hear any noise at all. People did tell me though that there had been a lot of noise from the festival held in the city on Saturday and that was a fair way away. Yes there were a lot of cars in St Annes Rd but they certainly weren't all heading for Club Kiss considering the number of people in the club (many of which were couples), the car park was not full as stated in the article.
Simple fact is that there is nothing that would let people know what kind of establishment the venue is, it's not like FYEO, the only reason people know what it is is because of the publicity in the Echo.
Yes there were some people there in their 20s but the vast majority were in their 40s/50s. No drunkedness, no fighting unlike a lot of the pubs in the city day in day out.
Everything happens behind closed doors, no need for any parent to worry about children walking past the club during a daytime event, they simply won't ever see anything.
sparkster
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10:59pm Mon 1 Oct 12
chunky_lover
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11:15pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Call2Arms wrote:Does someone wanna take this and run with it?
The residents may have a point. No one wants it shoved down their throat.
TheJoiners
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11:17pm Mon 1 Oct 12
chunky_lover wrote:Run or Dribble?
Call2Arms wrote:Does someone wanna take this and run with it?
The residents may have a point. No one wants it shoved down their throat.
andysaints007
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12:25am Tue 2 Oct 12
SotonLad wrote:Complete 100% PR*CK
The previous venue in Calmore closed thanks to the immense coverage by the Echo - so well done Echo, looks like the unhappy residents in Woolston have you to blame.
And to top it off you are now providing more coverage and free advertising for the new venue!
WELL DONE DAILY ECHO!
Taskforce 141
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8:41am Tue 2 Oct 12
Inform Al wrote:Perhaps they should have and you wouldn't be such a prude.
Taskforce 141 wrote:Simple answer to your ridiculous question. Mummy and Daddy did not need to go to a seedy 'hotel' for the immaculate conception of their fortunately very modest son.
Inform Al wrote:And how did you come to be in this world?
Oh dear, not only do most of Southampton's bigots, inbreds etc post on this site, but now apparently most of the city's perverts. Oh well whatever tuirns you on, but personally the thought of this activity going on near families with kids, and the sort of near humans using the facilities, does fill me with apprehension.
I'll explain your mummy and daddy went at it, perhaps in the thrill of moment and the passion flowing, perhaps some light spanking was involved, or they just laid there grinding with their eyes closed hoping for the horrifying moment to end - I don't know, but i can say with certainty - they did not play scrabble and penetration was involved!
Now you have got over yourself, please try and understand that this is an adult club for adults, who are like minded, engaging in acts they find enjoyable without disturbing the rest of us.
Its behind closed doors, and had the Echo not decided to be busy bodies and stir the pot who exactly would of known it was a slice of kinky heaven?
At the end of the day everybody gets hot and sweaty with someone even if it is at least once in their life as it is a very natural thing to do - thats how we all got here.
If i may suggest you go out and find yourself a partner to physical with, you may have a more open outlook on life and sex.
Georgem
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9:29am Tue 2 Oct 12
chunky_lover wrote:That's what she said.
Call2Arms wrote:Does someone wanna take this and run with it?
The residents may have a point. No one wants it shoved down their throat.
S!monOn
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10:10am Tue 2 Oct 12
andysaints007 wrote:That's what some of the patrons are hoping to get!!!!! :)
SotonLad wrote: The previous venue in Calmore closed thanks to the immense coverage by the Echo - so well done Echo, looks like the unhappy residents in Woolston have you to blame. And to top it off you are now providing more coverage and free advertising for the new venue! WELL DONE DAILY ECHO!Complete 100% PR*CK
Georgem
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10:23am Tue 2 Oct 12
S!monOn wrote:Let's hope they don't end up with anyone who's had a particular operation popular in the Jewish faith...
andysaints007 wrote:That's what some of the patrons are hoping to get!!!!! :)
SotonLad wrote: The previous venue in Calmore closed thanks to the immense coverage by the Echo - so well done Echo, looks like the unhappy residents in Woolston have you to blame. And to top it off you are now providing more coverage and free advertising for the new venue! WELL DONE DAILY ECHO!Complete 100% PR*CK
slavejeremy
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11:51am Tue 2 Oct 12
d my partner......we ll give it a go.......best to go to your grave having done it than if only we had tried....!!!!
magman
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11:58am Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem wrote:It's not "shoved down their throat." Forget you know what the venue actually looks like, then walk along St Annes Rd and identify which house holds the parties, you won't be able to do it. No outside advertising whatsoever
chunky_lover wrote:That's what she said.
Call2Arms wrote:Does someone wanna take this and run with it?
The residents may have a point. No one wants it shoved down their throat.
Folkestone Saint
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12:42pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Georgem
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12:50pm Tue 2 Oct 12
magman wrote:That's what she said.
Georgem wrote:It's not "shoved down their throat." Forget you know what the venue actually looks like, then walk along St Annes Rd and identify which house holds the parties, you won't be able to do it. No outside advertising whatsoever
chunky_lover wrote:That's what she said.
Call2Arms wrote:Does someone wanna take this and run with it?
The residents may have a point. No one wants it shoved down their throat.
loosehead
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12:52pm Tue 2 Oct 12
women dancing in the middle men stood by the side selecting their hopeful conquest for the night?
This if the owners being truthful is a place where men & women go for free sex so leave it alone but as I've said if this is sex for sell shut it!
Block 34
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1:07pm Tue 2 Oct 12
They are not appointed to be prudes, just to process applications efficiently, so I suggest they get on with their job & stop trying to conduct a moral crusade ("we will fight them tooth & nail" - pathetic).
I live opposite a school, with all the noise, parking problems etc etc that goes with it. I'd rather it wasn't there, but at the end of the day its just one of those things. If some residents in Woolston don't like living in a City then move to the country.
Block 34
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1:20pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Maybe they don't want to lose the rates...
Pikston
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3:10pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Block 34 wrote:The comment about you living near a school is a bit irrelevant. You bought/rented your place opposite a school. You knew a school was there, you had the choice of saying, "you know what there's a school there, I don't think I will like all the noise, parking problems etc etc that goes with it, so I won't move in here" We aren't getting a choice in what is developed around us. So it's unfair for you to put your stupidity onto us.
Why has it taken the Council so long to grant permission for.. wait for it... a hotel??? They are not appointed to be prudes, just to process applications efficiently, so I suggest they get on with their job & stop trying to conduct a moral crusade ("we will fight them tooth & nail" - pathetic). I live opposite a school, with all the noise, parking problems etc etc that goes with it. I'd rather it wasn't there, but at the end of the day its just one of those things. If some residents in Woolston don't like living in a City then move to the country.
Same as the person who said "you think Southampton is bad, you should try living in London" Ermmm well no, because thats why I don't live in London, I had a choice of where I live and I chose a nice quiet road. Whilst Woolston does have its bad parts (near the bridge) the actual area of St Annes Road is actually quite nice.
As I said earlier, I am indifferent to the club. Providing it doesn't directly affect me in either day to day life or the price of my house, it stays behind closed doors, and the exterior remains the same (no advertising, neon lights etc) but your comments of telling us to "grin and bear it", or it "could be worse" are quite redundant.
The Grinch
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3:57pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Fortunately the presence of this facility gives even the little man a chance...
GT KING
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6:49am Wed 3 Oct 12
Pikston wrote:I also live within view of this "club" and have heard no loud noises nor seen any disturbances (gangs of drunken people and young lads hanging around). If the echo hadn't of published the article in the first place, no one would be any of the wiser. The parking issue so many of you keep bringing up will be no different than if the Conservative Club have a function on. i can recall plenty of times ive seen cars parked on both sides of the road on a saturday or sunday daytime. I'm more worried about my child being near the lorries of Jewson's than someone having consented sex behind closed doors.If anything itll be better as the "club" will generate most custom at night when the roads will be quieter. The residents who are scared of the comings and goings of people in the night are baffling me!! Do they not think people walk past there house every night when they are asleep? The people using the club will be in the area to use THE CLUB not hanger around the neighbouring houses!! In my opinion the people who will use the club will not be any different to the local residents, People who probably work hard and enjoy the company of their friends. Its not as if they are doing it in the street or in a residents front room. I have no intentions of using the club but cant quite see the fuss. I also know the the people who are buying the house in Temple Road, i told them about the "club" and have kept them up to date with noise and gangs or lack of hanging around. They dont seem to be bothered as long as it doesnt interfere with their day to day living.
I live quite close to it, so have a few opinions and thoughts. Although they are contrasting views. Firstly, do I want it there? No. Do I think it will directly affect me or my neighbours day to day life? No. The building is in view from my house, and I have to say I saw nothing on Friday or Saturday night which bothered me, there wasn't loud noises, large groups of people or anything that would distinguish it as a house of ill repute (or even a business). To anyone walking past the building, they would not know anything about it. (In a strange/morbid way it was a bit of anti climax) What does concern me, is my house price (I've noticed the house directly behind it on Temple Road has a sold sign up...I wonder how they feel!!) If people keep reporting every 'disturbance' to the police, the crime rate for St Annes Road will go through the roof, not helpful for prospective sellers. Plus if it doesn't reduce the value, it might make it less saleable. I do think the area which is mainly elderly residents probably isn't right for something like that. I think the chap is a chancer, and is probably only planning on trading until his permission gets rejected. Although I bet he find a way to prolong the application for as long as possible (missing bits of info etc) Ultimately I am indifferent to it, and I think day to day it will have less of an affect than the Bowls club, the Jewsons and Scout Hut on St Annes Road, but at night we are away from most pubs and rarely have any night time disturbances, so I am worried that this may change...especially after a nice bit of front page advertising. If anyone wants it shut down immediately I wonder how they'd cope with a fire safety inspection??
A lot of fuss about nothing if you ask me
Mrs Average
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11:42am Fri 5 Oct 12
George4th wrote:How totally and utterly ridiculous!! That is a very short sighted and untrue opinion. Many of the people who 'swing' are in loving serious relationships/ marriages! you only have to look on certain internet sites to see all the married men who are looking for 'fun' despite being married. At least the couples who use these type of places go along with their partner and are fully open to the fact that they 'swing'. If more married/ couples were honest with themselves and each other there might not be as many affairs and divorces!
These kind of establishments are mostly used by people who have an inability to form committed and/or loving relationships.
Georgem says...
10:32am Mon 1 Oct 12
Ah, the old "The children!" routine. What relevance does this have? None whatsoever. Kids "going past" it? So what? It's not like they're aware of it. Well, not until people start kicking up this amount of fuss, anyway.