Demise of shipyard 'worse than Ford' (From Daily Echo)

Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Yet again we see British companies totally incapable of retaining capital assets through lean times, so next time a ship needs building it will be done in France. Or Germany. Or Italy. Or Poland. Or anywhere where they actually hang on to things rather than dismantle them.
We had a useful big dry dock in Southampton once but because it wasn't in use all the time some bright spark decided that if they just take the dockgate off they could use it as conventional quayside all the time. result? Southampton is a major port with no ship repair facility any more so ship repairs are all done elsewhere, and in the long term ships will start calling there instead. And the former dry dock is now just a quayside with a heap of scrap metal waiting for collection. Total utter waste, caused by inept regulation of the city.

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

So now Hampton is a friend of Pompi....stop moaning..the south has enough job prospects to soak up these minor closures and plenty more jobs in the pipe line no-matter which G/ment is in power by 2015...the north and Scotland cannot absorb more job losses.

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Thats a very short sighted view and a very f**k you jack im all right one, anybody would think Portsmouth was miles away instead of a short hop along the motorway, i do not understand this Southampton vs Portsmouth attitude we should all think in terms of the Solent region. Southampton or Portsmouth it doesn't matter its still peoples jobs and livelihoods so i think your comment is totally out of order, you would be the first to complain if some of those Portsmouth workers decided to take that short hop along the motorway for jobs in Southampton.

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Spoken like a true t055er.

when the london gateway container port opens it will have a big impact on southampton and no doubt felixstowe

So if BAe close Portsmouth and keep the two Scottish yards open, what happens if the Scots vote for independence? Are our future military ships to be built in a foreign country?

I'm generally in favour of cuts in military spending (which is still an obscene proportion of our GDP). I'd rather see Trident abandoned, personally. But it is sad to see skilled workers thrown on the scrap heap. If only we'd continued to make merchant ships here. They seem to be able to do so profitably in Italy and Germany.

derek james wrote:
when the london gateway container port opens it will have a big impact on southampton and no doubt felixstowe

Your not kidding it will, its design to take the longest container ships in the world, and the near future of ships that will be even longer. Trouble with our Container port it was built to high up a river to be able to take the longest ships, and ships in the future are going to be longer and wider.

georgetheseventh wrote:

Over the Edge wrote: Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat. I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

So now Hampton is a friend of Pompi....stop moaning..the south has enough job prospects to soak up these minor closures and plenty more jobs in the pipe line no-matter which G/ment is in power by 2015...the north and Scotland cannot absorb more job losses.

This country is washed up and will never recover to former levels. There is an entire generation of young adults who will never amount to anything. Even the new Canadian Bank of England Govenor will not save us.

Last one to leave please turn out the lights!

southy wrote:

derek james wrote:
when the london gateway container port opens it will have a big impact on southampton and no doubt felixstowe

Your not kidding it will, its design to take the longest container ships in the world, and the near future of ships that will be even longer. Trouble with our Container port it was built to high up a river to be able to take the longest ships, and ships in the future are going to be longer and wider.

If you go look at a map properly before posting you'll see that Thames Gateway is at least as far up the Thames from the "sea" as SCT is from the "sea" And because the largest post panamax ships are sailing across oceans they have to pass Southampton on the way to London Gateway so they can save half a day's journey time each way - a day represents a lot of money on these ships. The truth is that London Gateway is more in competition with Felixstowe and Thamesport than SCT because Felixstowe and Thamesport are owned by Hutchison Whampoa whereas Gateway has the same owner - DPW - as SCT.

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

derek james wrote:
when the london gateway container port opens it will have a big impact on southampton and no doubt felixstowe

Your not kidding it will, its design to take the longest container ships in the world, and the near future of ships that will be even longer. Trouble with our Container port it was built to high up a river to be able to take the longest ships, and ships in the future are going to be longer and wider.

If you go look at a map properly before posting you'll see that Thames Gateway is at least as far up the Thames from the "sea" as SCT is from the "sea" And because the largest post panamax ships are sailing across oceans they have to pass Southampton on the way to London Gateway so they can save half a day's journey time each way - a day represents a lot of money on these ships. The truth is that London Gateway is more in competition with Felixstowe and Thamesport than SCT because Felixstowe and Thamesport are owned by Hutchison Whampoa whereas Gateway has the same owner - DPW - as SCT.

lets hope you're right they're not spending all that money for no reason

Ford Prefect wrote:
So if BAe close Portsmouth and keep the two Scottish yards open, what happens if the Scots vote for independence? Are our future military ships to be built in a foreign country?

I'm generally in favour of cuts in military spending (which is still an obscene proportion of our GDP). I'd rather see Trident abandoned, personally. But it is sad to see skilled workers thrown on the scrap heap. If only we'd continued to make merchant ships here. They seem to be able to do so profitably in Italy and Germany.

" If only we'd continued to make merchant ships here.". Unfortunately that ship sailed fifty years ago as the other nations of the world overtook a strike prone Britain and began selling to the country that used to rule over and sell to half the world.

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and let people think you are stupid, instead of saying something that confirms their suspicions.

Only a stupid person would say that the possible closure by BAE would have little affect on the local Southampton economy becayse there are a great many Southampton residents that form part of BAE's workforce.

Linesman wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and let people think you are stupid, instead of saying something that confirms their suspicions.

Only a stupid person would say that the possible closure by BAE would have little affect on the local Southampton economy becayse there are a great many Southampton residents that form part of BAE's workforce.

Read my post again,,,,I didn't say the closure wouldn't affect Southampton's economy I said

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy,,,,example..
.. people living and working in Portsmouth are more likely to spend their money in Portsmouth and not in Southampton

Over the Edge wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and let people think you are stupid, instead of saying something that confirms their suspicions.

Only a stupid person would say that the possible closure by BAE would have little affect on the local Southampton economy becayse there are a great many Southampton residents that form part of BAE's workforce.

Read my post again,,,,I didn't say the closure wouldn't affect Southampton's economy I said

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy,,,,example..

.. people living and working in Portsmouth are more likely to spend their money in Portsmouth and not in Southampton

My apologies.

I guess that my comment could be taken as applying to myself.

Over the Edge wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and let people think you are stupid, instead of saying something that confirms their suspicions.

Only a stupid person would say that the possible closure by BAE would have little affect on the local Southampton economy becayse there are a great many Southampton residents that form part of BAE's workforce.

Read my post again,,,,I didn't say the closure wouldn't affect Southampton's economy I said

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy,,,,example..

.. people living and working in Portsmouth are more likely to spend their money in Portsmouth and not in Southampton

My apologies.

I guess that my comment could be taken as applying to myself.

Over the Edge wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
Another body blow for the people of Southampton, gutted for those workers under threat.

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and let people think you are stupid, instead of saying something that confirms their suspicions.

Only a stupid person would say that the possible closure by BAE would have little affect on the local Southampton economy becayse there are a great many Southampton residents that form part of BAE's workforce.

Read my post again,,,,I didn't say the closure wouldn't affect Southampton's economy I said

I'm not that concerned about the workers from Pompey as that will have little affect on the local Southampton economy,,,,example..

.. people living and working in Portsmouth are more likely to spend their money in Portsmouth and not in Southampton

My apologies.

I guess that my comment could be taken as applying to myself.

southy wrote:

derek james wrote:
when the london gateway container port opens it will have a big impact on southampton and no doubt felixstowe

Your not kidding it will, its design to take the longest container ships in the world, and the near future of ships that will be even longer. Trouble with our Container port it was built to high up a river to be able to take the longest ships, and ships in the future are going to be longer and wider.

So, Southy, does this mean that the world's largest container vessel at 16,000 container capacity, 396m loa, 54m beam and 16m draft, is too big for Southampton and the port is unable to compete?