Hampshire MPs to rebel over reformation of House of Lords

Daily Echo: Julian Lewis Julian Lewis

SEVERAL Hampshire MPs are gearing up to defy the Government’s bid to transform the House of Lords.

Rebel Tories are prepared to vote against the reforms today in one of the biggest tests of the Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition since it was formed two years ago.

MPs will vote today on the timetable for the Lords Reform Bill. The Government wants to limit debate to ten days, while rebels, and Labour, are pressing for no limit, which would jeopardise its chances of ever becoming law.

Julian Lewis, Tory MP for New Forest East, launched a furious attack on the Lib Dems, accusing the party of trying to keep hold of power by pushing for an elected House of Lords.

He said: “They will be able to blackmail any government for any concessions they want. This is not about democracy, it’s about cementing a permanent Lib Dem stranglehold on the democratic process.”

Yesterday a letter signed by more than 70 Tory MPs was sent around Parliament, saying the reforms threaten to “pile a constitutional crisis on top of an economic crisis”.

Among them were Dr Lewis, Winchester MP Steve Brine, Gosport MP Caroline Dinenage and Andrew Turner, the Tory MP for Isle of Wight.

If all of the signatories oppose tonight’s crunch vote on the timetable for the Bill, which restricts detailed debate to ten days, it is set to lead to the Government’s first significant defeat.

However, Romsey and Southampton North MP Caroline Nokes said she would be voting in favour of the reforms as they were a manifesto commitment.

But she was concerned about handing elected peers a 15-year mandate.

She said: “I believe to have legitimacy, the 15-year term is too long, especially when you look at the terms of other elected officials.”

Leading Lib Dem Chris Huhne told the Daily Echo that if Conservative MPs quashed the Lords changes, there would be “consequences” for other reforms – including the controversial redrawing of electoral boundaries.

Mr Huhne, the former Cabinet Minister who negotiated the relevant part of the coalition agreement for the Lib Dems, told the Daily Echo that reforming the Lords was “an integral part” of the agreement between the two parties.

He said: “I know that all of it was very carefully put together, and it was a very balanced package.”

The Government had to pass Lords Reform, he said, adding: “If we do not then there are bound to be consequences.

“I would suspect that if Lords reform doesn’t go through, we would have to look again at the whole section on political reform.”

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11:20am Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

This should be down to the people to vote on, it should not be left just to government
This should be down to the people to vote on, it should not be left just to government southy

11:28am Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

Elections for the House of Lords only cheapens it and a 15 year term is far too long for any term anywhere.

Tricky one for the coalition government, cheese off the Lib Dems or your own party.

What we don't want is a situation where the Commons and the house of Lords are competing with each other.

These are important constitutional matter and should not be taken lightly, you may as well abolish the House of Lords if you are going to go down this route.
Elections for the House of Lords only cheapens it and a 15 year term is far too long for any term anywhere. Tricky one for the coalition government, cheese off the Lib Dems or your own party. What we don't want is a situation where the Commons and the house of Lords are competing with each other. These are important constitutional matter and should not be taken lightly, you may as well abolish the House of Lords if you are going to go down this route. Shoong

11:36am Tue 10 Jul 12

Linesman says...

Shoong wrote:
Elections for the House of Lords only cheapens it and a 15 year term is far too long for any term anywhere.

Tricky one for the coalition government, cheese off the Lib Dems or your own party.

What we don't want is a situation where the Commons and the house of Lords are competing with each other.

These are important constitutional matter and should not be taken lightly, you may as well abolish the House of Lords if you are going to go down this route.
It is nice to be able to agree with Shoong.

The current system may not be perfect, but this proposal does nothing to improve the situation.

If this election for the Upper House were conducted at a time when one particular party were riding high in the opinion polls, it could well mean that for 15 years they would hold sway over Parliament when another party has been elected.

Perhaps the answer would be to disenfrachise members of the House of Lords who are non-resident in the UK and also those who have not attended to vote for X number of years.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Elections for the House of Lords only cheapens it and a 15 year term is far too long for any term anywhere. Tricky one for the coalition government, cheese off the Lib Dems or your own party. What we don't want is a situation where the Commons and the house of Lords are competing with each other. These are important constitutional matter and should not be taken lightly, you may as well abolish the House of Lords if you are going to go down this route.[/p][/quote]It is nice to be able to agree with Shoong. The current system may not be perfect, but this proposal does nothing to improve the situation. If this election for the Upper House were conducted at a time when one particular party were riding high in the opinion polls, it could well mean that for 15 years they would hold sway over Parliament when another party has been elected. Perhaps the answer would be to disenfrachise members of the House of Lords who are non-resident in the UK and also those who have not attended to vote for X number of years. Linesman

12:08pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Elections for the House of Lords only cheapens it and a 15 year term is far too long for any term anywhere.

Tricky one for the coalition government, cheese off the Lib Dems or your own party.

What we don't want is a situation where the Commons and the house of Lords are competing with each other.

These are important constitutional matter and should not be taken lightly, you may as well abolish the House of Lords if you are going to go down this route.
It is nice to be able to agree with Shoong.

The current system may not be perfect, but this proposal does nothing to improve the situation.

If this election for the Upper House were conducted at a time when one particular party were riding high in the opinion polls, it could well mean that for 15 years they would hold sway over Parliament when another party has been elected.

Perhaps the answer would be to disenfrachise members of the House of Lords who are non-resident in the UK and also those who have not attended to vote for X number of years.
Yes 15 years is way to long, but its better than the present system where its a life time to hold sway over the House of Commons, and they are not voted in to office by the public.
The House of Lords should be abolish, and turned into a House of Proportional Representation (and I mean the whole House and not a %)
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Elections for the House of Lords only cheapens it and a 15 year term is far too long for any term anywhere. Tricky one for the coalition government, cheese off the Lib Dems or your own party. What we don't want is a situation where the Commons and the house of Lords are competing with each other. These are important constitutional matter and should not be taken lightly, you may as well abolish the House of Lords if you are going to go down this route.[/p][/quote]It is nice to be able to agree with Shoong. The current system may not be perfect, but this proposal does nothing to improve the situation. If this election for the Upper House were conducted at a time when one particular party were riding high in the opinion polls, it could well mean that for 15 years they would hold sway over Parliament when another party has been elected. Perhaps the answer would be to disenfrachise members of the House of Lords who are non-resident in the UK and also those who have not attended to vote for X number of years.[/p][/quote]Yes 15 years is way to long, but its better than the present system where its a life time to hold sway over the House of Commons, and they are not voted in to office by the public. The House of Lords should be abolish, and turned into a House of Proportional Representation (and I mean the whole House and not a %) southy

12:26pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A Southampton resident says...

Perhaps this is an opportunity to remove politics entirely from an elected Second Chamber. After all, running the country is too important a task to be left to politicians.
I would suggest electing people on 5 year terms who are deliberately not aligned to political parties but who have acquired life-experience and are able to rise above petty party concerns for the greater good.
Perhaps this is an opportunity to remove politics entirely from an elected Second Chamber. After all, running the country is too important a task to be left to politicians. I would suggest electing people on 5 year terms who are deliberately not aligned to political parties but who have acquired life-experience and are able to rise above petty party concerns for the greater good. A Southampton resident

12:51pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Linesman says...

A Southampton resident wrote:
Perhaps this is an opportunity to remove politics entirely from an elected Second Chamber. After all, running the country is too important a task to be left to politicians.
I would suggest electing people on 5 year terms who are deliberately not aligned to political parties but who have acquired life-experience and are able to rise above petty party concerns for the greater good.
Give an example of who you have in mind.
[quote][p][bold]A Southampton resident[/bold] wrote: Perhaps this is an opportunity to remove politics entirely from an elected Second Chamber. After all, running the country is too important a task to be left to politicians. I would suggest electing people on 5 year terms who are deliberately not aligned to political parties but who have acquired life-experience and are able to rise above petty party concerns for the greater good.[/p][/quote]Give an example of who you have in mind. Linesman

1:09pm Tue 10 Jul 12

ohec says...

I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live. ohec

1:30pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
'anything has got to be better'? Any suggestions then?

Be careful what you wish for!
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]'anything has got to be better'? Any suggestions then? Be careful what you wish for! Shoong

2:12pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power southy

2:18pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Linesman says...

ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
We have one elected house already.

Do you Really want another like that?
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]We have one elected house already. Do you Really want another like that? Linesman

2:29pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
Oh dear, here we go...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power[/p][/quote]Oh dear, here we go... Shoong

2:39pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Georgem says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
Oh dear, here we go...
Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power[/p][/quote]Oh dear, here we go...[/p][/quote]Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade. Georgem

2:49pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Labour's original policy was to completely remove House of Lords, which was mostly dumping ground for by products of over indulgence in sexual activities by prominent powerful thugs, often with glorified whores who were not their wives.

Unfortunately over the years the working people's party while ditching most other principles on which it was created, has also changed its attitude on this issue.

Now they have found red benches comfortable for resting the back sides of their dis functional leading lights (Read parasites of Labour and Trade Union Movement) like Kinnock and Prescott etc, where instead of being sent to some knackered's yard they can keep on doing mischiefs on behalf of their buddies in big business; while claiming thousands in allowances.

Tory Blair promised to improve this undemocratic ancient traditional expensive and undemocratic institution but like on most other issues not only failed to deliver goods but also turned House of Clowns into dog's dinner. Complete mess; removed some of the old wood but filled the place with donors and side kicks.

Milliband and Sadiq  Khan etc should stop sitting on the fence, if they have even a drop of real Labour blood left in them, then they should be honouring original Labour idea and demanding that House of Clowns should be abolished. But that will jeopardise their own chances of dressing like clowns, won't it?
Labour's original policy was to completely remove House of Lords, which was mostly dumping ground for by products of over indulgence in sexual activities by prominent powerful thugs, often with glorified whores who were not their wives. Unfortunately over the years the working people's party while ditching most other principles on which it was created, has also changed its attitude on this issue. Now they have found red benches comfortable for resting the back sides of their dis functional leading lights (Read parasites of Labour and Trade Union Movement) like Kinnock and Prescott etc, where instead of being sent to some knackered's yard they can keep on doing mischiefs on behalf of their buddies in big business; while claiming thousands in allowances. Tory Blair promised to improve this undemocratic ancient traditional expensive and undemocratic institution but like on most other issues not only failed to deliver goods but also turned House of Clowns into dog's dinner. Complete mess; removed some of the old wood but filled the place with donors and side kicks. Milliband and Sadiq  Khan etc should stop sitting on the fence, if they have even a drop of real Labour blood left in them, then they should be honouring original Labour idea and demanding that House of Clowns should be abolished. But that will jeopardise their own chances of dressing like clowns, won't it? Paramjit Bahia

2:55pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Labour's original policy was to completely remove House of Lords, which was mostly dumping ground for by products of over indulgence in sexual activities by prominent powerful thugs, often with glorified whores who were not their wives.

Unfortunately over the years the working people's party while ditching most other principles on which it was created, has also changed its attitude on this issue.

Now they have found red benches comfortable for resting the back sides of their dis functional leading lights (Read parasites of Labour and Trade Union Movement) like Kinnock and Prescott etc, where instead of being sent to some knackered's yard they can keep on doing mischiefs on behalf of their buddies in big business; while claiming thousands in allowances.

Tory Blair promised to improve this undemocratic ancient traditional expensive and undemocratic institution but like on most other issues not only failed to deliver goods but also turned House of Clowns into dog's dinner. Complete mess; removed some of the old wood but filled the place with donors and side kicks.

Milliband and Sadiq  Khan etc should stop sitting on the fence, if they have even a drop of real Labour blood left in them, then they should be honouring original Labour idea and demanding that House of Clowns should be abolished. But that will jeopardise their own chances of dressing like clowns, won't it?
For many years The House of Lords has been kind of a buffer between the Commons and the Constitution, without looking into it I'm sure they have blocked some laws that would have you screaming & frothing blood from the hills.

'Labour's original policy was to completely remove House of Lords, which was mostly dumping ground for by products of over indulgence in sexual activities by prominent powerful thugs, often with glorified whores who were not their wives.'

You do know where babies come from don't you? To call The house of Lords a bunch of b*stards is perhaps something we have all done from time to time but to actually accuse them of being b*stards is going a bit far.

As you seem to hate everything about this country, maybe it's time to think about pastures new.

What about India? Because there's no corruption there is there..?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Labour's original policy was to completely remove House of Lords, which was mostly dumping ground for by products of over indulgence in sexual activities by prominent powerful thugs, often with glorified whores who were not their wives. Unfortunately over the years the working people's party while ditching most other principles on which it was created, has also changed its attitude on this issue. Now they have found red benches comfortable for resting the back sides of their dis functional leading lights (Read parasites of Labour and Trade Union Movement) like Kinnock and Prescott etc, where instead of being sent to some knackered's yard they can keep on doing mischiefs on behalf of their buddies in big business; while claiming thousands in allowances. Tory Blair promised to improve this undemocratic ancient traditional expensive and undemocratic institution but like on most other issues not only failed to deliver goods but also turned House of Clowns into dog's dinner. Complete mess; removed some of the old wood but filled the place with donors and side kicks. Milliband and Sadiq  Khan etc should stop sitting on the fence, if they have even a drop of real Labour blood left in them, then they should be honouring original Labour idea and demanding that House of Clowns should be abolished. But that will jeopardise their own chances of dressing like clowns, won't it?[/p][/quote]For many years The House of Lords has been kind of a buffer between the Commons and the Constitution, without looking into it I'm sure they have blocked some laws that would have you screaming & frothing blood from the hills. 'Labour's original policy was to completely remove House of Lords, which was mostly dumping ground for by products of over indulgence in sexual activities by prominent powerful thugs, often with glorified whores who were not their wives.' You do know where babies come from don't you? To call The house of Lords a bunch of b*stards is perhaps something we have all done from time to time but to actually accuse them of being b*stards is going a bit far. As you seem to hate everything about this country, maybe it's time to think about pastures new. What about India? Because there's no corruption there is there..? Shoong

3:01pm Tue 10 Jul 12

ohec says...

Why is it that everything has to turn into the same old rubbish spewed out by certain posters that are so one track minded it makes all of their observations meaningless.
Why is it that everything has to turn into the same old rubbish spewed out by certain posters that are so one track minded it makes all of their observations meaningless. ohec

3:17pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords.
Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect
To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person
This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords. Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person southy

3:22pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
Oh dear, here we go...
Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.
There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power[/p][/quote]Oh dear, here we go...[/p][/quote]Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.[/p][/quote]There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy. southy

3:24pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
Oh dear, here we go...
Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.
There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.
Whatever, just stick to the subject pls.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power[/p][/quote]Oh dear, here we go...[/p][/quote]Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.[/p][/quote]There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.[/p][/quote]Whatever, just stick to the subject pls. Shoong

3:27pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
Oh dear, here we go...
Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.
There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.
There's a world of difference, southy. The Mafia has to launder their wealth, for one thing.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power[/p][/quote]Oh dear, here we go...[/p][/quote]Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.[/p][/quote]There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference, southy. The Mafia has to launder their wealth, for one thing. Georgem

3:27pm Tue 10 Jul 12

BillyTheKid_ says...

I agree with southy.
I agree with southy. BillyTheKid_

3:29pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
Oh dear, here we go...
Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.
There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.
There's a world of difference, southy. The Mafia has to launder their wealth, for one thing.
So did your Lords and Royals, don't think they are any different because they are not
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power[/p][/quote]Oh dear, here we go...[/p][/quote]Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.[/p][/quote]There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference, southy. The Mafia has to launder their wealth, for one thing.[/p][/quote]So did your Lords and Royals, don't think they are any different because they are not southy

3:36pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
ohec wrote:
I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.
Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters.
Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power
Oh dear, here we go...
Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.
There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.
There's a world of difference, southy. The Mafia has to launder their wealth, for one thing.
So did your Lords and Royals, don't think they are any different because they are not
*Sigh* give up, old bean. Oh, wait, I'm not allowed to say that now, in case your white knight on his steed comes to your rescue! Sorry, Billy, please don't berate me again! I'll wither under your, err, I'm not sure what to call it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: I don't understand how you can cheapen a house of lords that has criminals amongst its members not to mention religious buffoons,and when they do turn up they can't stay awake. An elected house of no more than 150 that are elected on a five year basis with limited powers. Anything has got to be better than the present system of fools who haven't got a clue how most of the population live.[/p][/quote]Thats how they became Lords even the Royal Family have that in common they are all gangsters. Remind me of the Mafia and how they got power[/p][/quote]Oh dear, here we go...[/p][/quote]Tin foil hats on standby, Comrade.[/p][/quote]There is no difference between how the Mafia made there money and gain power, than how your Royal Family and Lords got there power and money, just that Mafia done it a lot quicker and was not so greedy.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference, southy. The Mafia has to launder their wealth, for one thing.[/p][/quote]So did your Lords and Royals, don't think they are any different because they are not[/p][/quote]*Sigh* give up, old bean. Oh, wait, I'm not allowed to say that now, in case your white knight on his steed comes to your rescue! Sorry, Billy, please don't berate me again! I'll wither under your, err, I'm not sure what to call it. Georgem

3:38pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords.
Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect
To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person
Hi Comrade,
What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers?

Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords. Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person[/p][/quote]Hi Comrade, What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers? Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke? Paramjit Bahia

4:01pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords.
Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect
To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person
Hi Comrade,
What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers?

Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?
No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords. Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person[/p][/quote]Hi Comrade, What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers? Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?[/p][/quote]No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say. southy

4:05pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords.
Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect
To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person
Hi Comrade,
What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers?

Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?
No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.
So they'd be good for about FA then really.

What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats?

I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords. Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person[/p][/quote]Hi Comrade, What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers? Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?[/p][/quote]No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.[/p][/quote]So they'd be good for about FA then really. What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats? I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop. Shoong

4:11pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords.
Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect
To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person
Hi Comrade,
What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers?

Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?
No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.
So they'd be good for about FA then really.

What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats?

I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop.
are you aspriring your self to be just like the lords,
and if you fully under stood what i said it would reduce the bureaucrats in the house of lords, but then i dont expect you really under stand how the house of lords works
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords. Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person[/p][/quote]Hi Comrade, What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers? Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?[/p][/quote]No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.[/p][/quote]So they'd be good for about FA then really. What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats? I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop.[/p][/quote]are you aspriring your self to be just like the lords, and if you fully under stood what i said it would reduce the bureaucrats in the house of lords, but then i dont expect you really under stand how the house of lords works southy

4:31pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords.
Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect
To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person
Hi Comrade,
What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers?

Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?
No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.
So they'd be good for about FA then really.

What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats?

I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop.
are you aspriring your self to be just like the lords,
and if you fully under stood what i said it would reduce the bureaucrats in the house of lords, but then i dont expect you really under stand how the house of lords works
Of course, next to you, I know nothing. Ditch the superiority complex, it makes for a distinctively unlikeable personality and spoils anything that an superior intellect like yourself might contribute.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords. Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person[/p][/quote]Hi Comrade, What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers? Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?[/p][/quote]No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.[/p][/quote]So they'd be good for about FA then really. What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats? I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop.[/p][/quote]are you aspriring your self to be just like the lords, and if you fully under stood what i said it would reduce the bureaucrats in the house of lords, but then i dont expect you really under stand how the house of lords works[/p][/quote]Of course, next to you, I know nothing. Ditch the superiority complex, it makes for a distinctively unlikeable personality and spoils anything that an superior intellect like yourself might contribute. Shoong

4:50pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Shoong says...

Breaking News, it's been dropped!

There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post).
Breaking News, it's been dropped! There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post). Shoong

5:25pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords.
Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect
To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person
Hi Comrade,
What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers?

Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?
No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.
So they'd be good for about FA then really.

What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats?

I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop.
are you aspriring your self to be just like the lords,
and if you fully under stood what i said it would reduce the bureaucrats in the house of lords, but then i dont expect you really under stand how the house of lords works
Of course, next to you, I know nothing. Ditch the superiority complex, it makes for a distinctively unlikeable personality and spoils anything that an superior intellect like yourself might contribute.
Then its time you done some learning and read up on, if your worried about the number of bureaucrats the house of lords would want to make you jump of a tall building, there are more bureaucrats in the house of lords than there is in the house of commons.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This is how you could do a House of PR, replacing the House of Lords. Each County will have at lest 1 member in the PR House, the county with the smallest populution would be your base line, to each county that can double that base line gets another member in the PR House, and treble get the third one ect ect To keep things in order have a 3 person (with no votes), bar of 1 Religous for the moral side of things, 1 some type of lawer to make sure no other law is being double up on or breaking another law, and 1 EA type person[/p][/quote]Hi Comrade, What were you drinking lunch time? Was it holy water from Ganges one of the most polluted rivers? Are you serious about safety of moral side of things in the hands of flat earth loonies or it was just meant to be bit of a joke?[/p][/quote]No Parami its just covering those that believe in fairy tales, and like I said those three on the 3 man bar would have no votes, they would just give pointers but have no real say.[/p][/quote]So they'd be good for about FA then really. What are you proposing, making up more Bureaucrats? I think we have enough of them thank you very much, you may as well shut shop.[/p][/quote]are you aspriring your self to be just like the lords, and if you fully under stood what i said it would reduce the bureaucrats in the house of lords, but then i dont expect you really under stand how the house of lords works[/p][/quote]Of course, next to you, I know nothing. Ditch the superiority complex, it makes for a distinctively unlikeable personality and spoils anything that an superior intellect like yourself might contribute.[/p][/quote]Then its time you done some learning and read up on, if your worried about the number of bureaucrats the house of lords would want to make you jump of a tall building, there are more bureaucrats in the house of lords than there is in the house of commons. southy

5:28pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

"“I would suspect that if Lords reform doesn’t go through, we would have to look again at the whole section on political reform.”"

Give it to the people to decide and not any MP or Lord to decide.
"“I would suspect that if Lords reform doesn’t go through, we would have to look again at the whole section on political reform.”" Give it to the people to decide and not any MP or Lord to decide. southy

5:38pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
"“I would suspect that if Lords reform doesn’t go through, we would have to look again at the whole section on political reform.”"

Give it to the people to decide and not any MP or Lord to decide.
Sadly, southy, you'll find a lot of people simply don't care. So the upshot of that will be, what happens is decided by yet another minority.

Not that I can think of any solution to that.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "“I would suspect that if Lords reform doesn’t go through, we would have to look again at the whole section on political reform.”" Give it to the people to decide and not any MP or Lord to decide.[/p][/quote]Sadly, southy, you'll find a lot of people simply don't care. So the upshot of that will be, what happens is decided by yet another minority. Not that I can think of any solution to that. Georgem

9:44pm Tue 10 Jul 12

opera phantom says...

It's not the question that I am particularly bothered about. It's just that I am sick and tired of Big head Clegg and his gang punching above their weight. That bloody Clegg behaves like he is the new
Messiah. What with him and Vince Cable keep throwing his toys out of his pram, I wish they would all just evaporate.
It's not the question that I am particularly bothered about. It's just that I am sick and tired of Big head Clegg and his gang punching above their weight. That bloody Clegg behaves like he is the new Messiah. What with him and Vince Cable keep throwing his toys out of his pram, I wish they would all just evaporate. opera phantom

11:19pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Well its pass the first hurdle, theres no time limit so not MP can talk it out of time.
Well its pass the first hurdle, theres no time limit so not MP can talk it out of time. southy

11:21pm Tue 10 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
Breaking News, it's been dropped!

There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post).
Not been drop at all, It has pass the first hurdle. no fix time limit so no MP can talk it out off time at a later date.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Breaking News, it's been dropped! There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post).[/p][/quote]Not been drop at all, It has pass the first hurdle. no fix time limit so no MP can talk it out off time at a later date. southy

11:55pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Poppy22 says...

A Southampton resident wrote:
Perhaps this is an opportunity to remove politics entirely from an elected Second Chamber. After all, running the country is too important a task to be left to politicians. I would suggest electing people on 5 year terms who are deliberately not aligned to political parties but who have acquired life-experience and are able to rise above petty party concerns for the greater good.
I agree totally. Common sense at last.
Political parties are just after power and position, and don't give a jot about the general public. Even our so-called "local" councillors are now so political that they're happy to let our few remaining countryside spaces be built on for the sake of the so-called need for housing directives coming down from their political leaders.
Politics is another "old boys" network that some women have managed to get into.
[quote][p][bold]A Southampton resident[/bold] wrote: Perhaps this is an opportunity to remove politics entirely from an elected Second Chamber. After all, running the country is too important a task to be left to politicians. I would suggest electing people on 5 year terms who are deliberately not aligned to political parties but who have acquired life-experience and are able to rise above petty party concerns for the greater good.[/p][/quote]I agree totally. Common sense at last. Political parties are just after power and position, and don't give a jot about the general public. Even our so-called "local" councillors are now so political that they're happy to let our few remaining countryside spaces be built on for the sake of the so-called need for housing directives coming down from their political leaders. Politics is another "old boys" network that some women have managed to get into. Poppy22

9:37am Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed. southy

9:40am Wed 11 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Breaking News, it's been dropped!

There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post).
Not been drop at all, It has pass the first hurdle. no fix time limit so no MP can talk it out off time at a later date.
Presumably this


http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-18
778639

is the work of more evil hackers trying to discredit you, then?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Breaking News, it's been dropped! There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post).[/p][/quote]Not been drop at all, It has pass the first hurdle. no fix time limit so no MP can talk it out off time at a later date.[/p][/quote]Presumably this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-18 778639 is the work of more evil hackers trying to discredit you, then? Georgem

10:07am Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Breaking News, it's been dropped!

There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post).
Not been drop at all, It has pass the first hurdle. no fix time limit so no MP can talk it out off time at a later date.
Presumably this


http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-politics-18

778639

is the work of more evil hackers trying to discredit you, then?
Another one who don't really under stand what is going on, read what I posted just above.

Its only the Second Reading that got defeated.

Not the reform bill of the House of Lords.

The Second reading is about putting a Time Limit on the Debates.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Breaking News, it's been dropped! There wasn't much point in the end as it would have been defeated, but let's hope we haven't heard the last of reform for The House of Lords, I'm definitely in favour of it as long as it does not conflict with the Commons (basically my first post).[/p][/quote]Not been drop at all, It has pass the first hurdle. no fix time limit so no MP can talk it out off time at a later date.[/p][/quote]Presumably this http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-18 778639 is the work of more evil hackers trying to discredit you, then?[/p][/quote]Another one who don't really under stand what is going on, read what I posted just above. Its only the Second Reading that got defeated. Not the reform bill of the House of Lords. The Second reading is about putting a Time Limit on the Debates. southy

10:11am Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Georgem Read this bit its from your link, Note the bit about "oppose the plan to limit the time available"

Dozens of Conservatives were expected to defy the government and oppose the plan to limit the time available for debating plans for proposed changes.
Georgem Read this bit its from your link, Note the bit about "oppose the plan to limit the time available" Dozens of Conservatives were expected to defy the government and oppose the plan to limit the time available for debating plans for proposed changes. southy

10:37am Wed 11 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong. Shoong

10:57am Wed 11 Jul 12

Georgem says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it.

"Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it"

There. That's better.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it. "Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it" There. That's better. Georgem

11:31am Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it.

"Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it"

There. That's better.
Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority.

Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it. "Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it" There. That's better.[/p][/quote]Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority. Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was. southy

11:42am Wed 11 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it.

"Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it"

There. That's better.
Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority.

Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.
Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it.

Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really.

That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance.

Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it. "Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it" There. That's better.[/p][/quote]Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority. Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.[/p][/quote]Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it. Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really. That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance. Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously. Shoong

11:54am Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it.

"Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it"

There. That's better.
Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority.

Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.
Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it.

Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really.

That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance.

Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously.
Well then you did it with out even knowing that you did right wing propaganda.
I don't have a chip at all, I don't need one, time will prove what i saying.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it. "Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it" There. That's better.[/p][/quote]Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority. Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.[/p][/quote]Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it. Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really. That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance. Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously.[/p][/quote]Well then you did it with out even knowing that you did right wing propaganda. I don't have a chip at all, I don't need one, time will prove what i saying. southy

12:08pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it.

"Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it"

There. That's better.
Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority.

Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.
Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it.

Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really.

That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance.

Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously.
Well then you did it with out even knowing that you did right wing propaganda.
I don't have a chip at all, I don't need one, time will prove what i saying.
I can't even understand that first sentence really.

Don't get it do you? When I and others express an opinion, and here's a news flash - everybody's got one - it is not propaganda. It's an opinion. It might differ from yours - but that's all it is.

Even if I was to perpetrate propaganda I wouldn't do it on the DE site - I would take it to a medium where my propaganda might be effective!

I fear time may run out for you - you lack even the basic requirements to get people to listen to you, let alone agree with anything you are saying. A key basic pre-requisite skill a Councillor requires but you obviously lack. But then it wouldn't be about the people you might be elected to represent, no matter what the colour of the rosette - it would be all about YOU and your opinion and agenda.

The key word here is Reform - meaning to change something - which means looking to the future. However, you always look backward.

Reform - the key word here - is about change for the *future*. I don't care how it came about or how much you think they are gangsters - what's done is done. The future will give us an opportunity to change it - not dwell on the past.

Keep looking backward in anger and you'll get left behind. It's as simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it. "Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it" There. That's better.[/p][/quote]Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority. Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.[/p][/quote]Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it. Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really. That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance. Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously.[/p][/quote]Well then you did it with out even knowing that you did right wing propaganda. I don't have a chip at all, I don't need one, time will prove what i saying.[/p][/quote]I can't even understand that first sentence really. Don't get it do you? When I and others express an opinion, and here's a news flash - everybody's got one - it is not propaganda. It's an opinion. It might differ from yours - but that's all it is. Even if I was to perpetrate propaganda I wouldn't do it on the DE site - I would take it to a medium where my propaganda might be effective! I fear time may run out for you - you lack even the basic requirements to get people to listen to you, let alone agree with anything you are saying. A key basic pre-requisite skill a Councillor requires but you obviously lack. But then it wouldn't be about the people you might be elected to represent, no matter what the colour of the rosette - it would be all about YOU and your opinion and agenda. The key word here is Reform - meaning to change something - which means looking to the future. However, you always look backward. Reform - the key word here - is about change for the *future*. I don't care how it came about or how much you think they are gangsters - what's done is done. The future will give us an opportunity to change it - not dwell on the past. Keep looking backward in anger and you'll get left behind. It's as simple as that. Shoong

1:36pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it.

"Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it"

There. That's better.
Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority.

Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.
I see. So when someone disagrees with you, it is ALWAYS because of some right wing propaganda. Sorry, FALSE right wing propaganda. Because saying "false" before mentioning propaganda, every single time, is NOT propaganda, amirite?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it. "Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it" There. That's better.[/p][/quote]Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority. Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.[/p][/quote]I see. So when someone disagrees with you, it is ALWAYS because of some right wing propaganda. Sorry, FALSE right wing propaganda. Because saying "false" before mentioning propaganda, every single time, is NOT propaganda, amirite? Georgem

1:38pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now.
What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before).
What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again.
The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.
I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it.

"Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it"

There. That's better.
Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority.

Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.
Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it.

Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really.

That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance.

Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously.
Well then you did it with out even knowing that you did right wing propaganda.
I don't have a chip at all, I don't need one, time will prove what i saying.
You certainly do have a chip on your shoulder. Like Shoong says, you are singularly incapable of accepting that anybody can have an opinion other than your own. But you try to be a politician? Come off it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong Let me dumb it down for you to explain what is going on, seeing your like many that don't really understand Economics and Political Policy, which is a shame because if a lot more did then many more would get involved and this country would not be in a mess that it is in now. What got defeated was the Second reading, the second reading was about putting a time limit on the House of Lords Reform Bill, (if this got pass, it would mean that an member of the House of Commons could talk it out of time so it could not get a pass, and believe me the Torys are very good at talking a bill out of time the gas bags that they are they done it to often before). What happens now is the House of Lords Reform Bill it will get as many debates on it as often it is needed, it could last now till the end of the term of Government and it could even pass onto the next Government, where again it could have the second reading come up again. The Idea of the Second reading is to push some thing though fast to a stage of fail or succeed.[/p][/quote]I suspect the superiority complex is a big hit with the ladies. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/p][/quote]I'll translate that into 'southy' so he can understand it. "Acxpect the superor complicats big hit with aldys. Nother one dont no what it going on. Correct if im rong. Thatcher dun it" There. That's better.[/p][/quote]Its not a case of superiority complex at all, its a case off you pushing forward your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda and trying to keep things moving more and more to the right and not understanding a thing about it or what what will be achived and its right wingers that rely on people like you two who will keep right wing economic and political policy in power even low it not any good for the majority. Still it looks like you have read up a little and understand that you where wrong, even low you do not want to say that you was.[/p][/quote]Nope, I don't do propaganda, it's got to the point where that's all you do yet you have the cheek to accuse others of it. Other people have different opinions - it's not propaganda - it's an opinion. As someone who wishes to be a Councillor and represent his local community, listening to people, no matter what political flavour, you would be charged with listening to them. But because you cannot accept that other people might have a differing opinion you dismiss it as 'propaganda'. It's all rather childish really. That's why you will never represent anyone - you refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't share your opinion or political stance. Drop the attitude with a large helping of a chip on the shoulder and someone might start taking you seriously.[/p][/quote]Well then you did it with out even knowing that you did right wing propaganda. I don't have a chip at all, I don't need one, time will prove what i saying.[/p][/quote]You certainly do have a chip on your shoulder. Like Shoong says, you are singularly incapable of accepting that anybody can have an opinion other than your own. But you try to be a politician? Come off it. Georgem

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