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One thousand to miss out on school places

MORE than 1,000 children in Hampshire have missed out on their first choice of secondary school.

While the vast majority got their first preference, nearly one in ten of the county's 14,367 parents were disappointed - an increase on last year.

In Winchester, competition was greatest for Westgate and Kings', while in Chandler's Ford, Thornden was massively over-subscribed. These three schools regularly top local league tables of results.

Nearly a third of 304 parents who putWestgate (210 places) as their first choice failed to get in, and 24 per cent of 410 families whose preference was Kings' (330 places) missed out. These parents will be forced to accept their second or third choice.

Julie Turvey, head of Westgate, said she was disappointed not to be able to offer more pupils places.

"It is very, very unfortunate. I have been working to increase admission numbers but have not been able to because we are limited by our capacity and infrastructure of the school.

"We are taking all the pupils in our catchment area.Whatwe are not doing is taking additional pupils. We had a lot of requests from pupils out of catchment."

Across Southampton, nearly one in five pupils missed out on their first-choice school. Of the 2,450 applications for places at the city's secondary schools 2,026 got their first choice, 256 their second choice and 69 their third choice. Ninety-nine could not be offered places at any of their choices.

The admissions system was overhauled this year. Under the new "equal preference" system parents can express a first, second and third choice.

However, children living in the catchment area are given priority, then those at link primary schools and those with siblings at the school.

County figures show 91 per cent got a place at their first preference secondary school compared to 95 per cent last year.

Martin Goff, lead officer for schools admissions, said: "The most important priority is to meet catchment demand and that has been possible in 70 out of 71 schools."

Only Brookfield School in Fareham refused pupils in its catchment area.

Mr Goff said 98 per cent were offered places at first, second or third choice schools.

Parents have until March 17 to appeal.

10:53am Wednesday 5th March 2008

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Posted by: anon, bitterne on 11:15am Wed 5 Mar 08
bet there are plenty of places at woodlands,thats like sending a lamb to slaughter sending your child there !!!
Posted by: BK, Chandlers Ford on 11:15am Wed 5 Mar 08
I appreciate that there are certain schools that parents would like their children to go to, but priority MUST go to those within catchment as it says in the article. At the end of the day, some people plan well in advance for this time, and even go to the lengths of moving houses to be within the right cathcment for the schools they want their children to go to, therefore they have the right to get a place within the catchement school's.
Posted by: John, Romsey on 11:47am Wed 5 Mar 08
Exclude St.Anne's,with continously brilliant results,does it matter which Southampton sink school the kids end up in ?. All of them produce A*-C GCSE results well the National Average and that standard is not particularly challenging.Not surprising,with one of the lowest rated LEA's in the country.
Posted by: C, Soton on 12:04pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Good news for those people who got allocated the schools of their choice, including certain ethnic minorities who don't approve of mixed sex schools getting St. Annes.

A recent report commissioned by the Council recommended single sex schools being built in central Southampton for those groups.

We went through the recommended procedure, researched the 3 schools that we decided upon (incidentally, St. Anne's was not one of them) and duly submitted the paperwork.

Lo and behold, we have been allocated a school that was not on our list (Chamberlayne Park), a school totally unknown to us. Turns out that it is at Weston estate, far away from our city centre home.

We shall, of course, be appealing against it.
Posted by: Parent, Southampton on 12:25pm Wed 5 Mar 08
C wrote:
Good news for those people who got allocated the schools of their choice, including certain ethnic minorities who don't approve of mixed sex schools getting St. Annes. A recent report commissioned by the Council recommended single sex schools being built in central Southampton for those groups. We went through the recommended procedure, researched the 3 schools that we decided upon (incidentally, St. Anne's was not one of them) and duly submitted the paperwork. Lo and behold, we have been allocated a school that was not on our list (Chamberlayne Park), a school totally unknown to us. Turns out that it is at Weston estate, far away from our city centre home. We shall, of course, be appealing against it.
We are in the name situation - I would have been happy with any of the three schools we carefully researched but we have been given a totally different (failing) school. We missed out on 2 of our choices by a tenth of a mile!!
See you at the appeal! Good Luck
Posted by: Debbie McCarthy, Bitterne Manor on 1:04pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Regarding the Echo's comment about children getting priority for being at a linked primary school. This is actually not true. Linked schools come way down the line of priority (wrongly in my opinion). Through no fault of our own, my son has been attending Sholing Juniors since the start of Year 3 (we couldn't get him into the school that is one minute around the corner from our house). He has developed close friendships, is doing extremely well academically and Sholing Juniors have a strong connection to Sholing Technical College. He has been there for a taster session of life in a secondary school and attends youth university there on Saturday mornings with the assistant headteacher. So you'd think that the natural progression for him would be to go to Sholing Tech. But no, because there were other children with 'higher priority', he has been placed in our second choice school (I know we are very lucky even to get this), where they are taking in 300 pupils this year and he does not know one child. Going to secondary school is a big enough step as it is, without having to face it without even one familiar face.
Posted by: Verbal Kint, Southampton on 1:29pm Wed 5 Mar 08
anon wrote:
bet there are plenty of places at woodlands,thats like sending a lamb to slaughter sending your child there !!!
may be more to do with the socio-economic outside influences on the pupils rather than the school itself. My son attends woodlands and is predicted B grades or more in all his subjects because as a parent i actually spend time helping him learn and supporting him rather than letting him run wild with the groups of 'couldnt care less' hoodies prevalent in the area.
Posted by: Brian, soton on 2:46pm Wed 5 Mar 08
well said verbal kint. I have a lad who attends woodlands school who plays for the local football team, and at the age of 13 he is one of the politist and well mannered we have, but would also say that good parental care has made him a credit
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 2:58pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Brian wrote:
well said verbal kint. I have a lad who attends woodlands school who plays for the local football team, and at the age of 13 he is one of the politist and well mannered we have, but would also say that good parental care has made him a credit
Brian, I have friends who work at Woodlands who speak highly of the establishment. Sadly the perception people have of the school is largely negative because of it's predominantly Harefield and Thornhill catchment.

Schools in Southampton are not meeting the expectations of the middle-classes, hence why they choose to send their children to Kings, Wildern, Hamble, Romsey etc.
Posted by: brian, soton on 3:04pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Condor Man wrote:
Brian wrote: well said verbal kint. I have a lad who attends woodlands school who plays for the local football team, and at the age of 13 he is one of the politist and well mannered we have, but would also say that good parental care has made him a credit
Brian, I have friends who work at Woodlands who speak highly of the establishment. Sadly the perception people have of the school is largely negative because of it's predominantly Harefield and Thornhill catchment. Schools in Southampton are not meeting the expectations of the middle-classes, hence why they choose to send their children to Kings, Wildern, Hamble, Romsey etc.
they can always go private. the choice is simple
Posted by: Disillusioned parent and rate payer, southampton east on 3:56pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Whatever way you see you it, it is yet more upheaval for the children involved. During the transistion period it can only be bad to complete your schooling with a building site going on around you. Anyone who doesn't think this will distract or affect the levels of education is in cloud cuckoo land!! I feel sorry for the children. This is their one shot at Secondary Education. I know resources are limited, but the new schools should have been completed prior to mergers. Does anyone know how many selected Grove Park/Mayfield as first choice? I would not be surprised if local people opted for other local schools. Still as Henry Ford said, even though he was talking about cars not schools, 'you can choose any colour you like but you are having a black one.' For local people you can choose any school you like but you are having this one - Grove Park. No wonder Southampton performs poorly compared to Hampshire and even worse when compared nationally. I think the Southampton Authority came 115 out of 145!!!. Little wonder the head of the current Primary Review in Southampton resigned. Its fairly obvious she could see the same disaster coming to Primary Education as is happening now following Southampton's recent secondary review!!! Childrens education first. Cuts elsewhere if needed please.
Whatever way you see you it, it is yet more upheaval for the children involved. During the transistion period it can only be bad to complete your schooling with a building site going on around you. Anyone who doesn't think this will distract or affect the levels of education is in cloud cuckoo land!! I feel sorry for the children. This is their one shot at Secondary Education. I know resources are limited, but the new schools should have been completed prior to mergers. Does anyone know how many selected Grove Park/Mayfield as first choice? I would not be surprised if local people opted for other local schools. Still as Henry Ford said, even though he was talking about cars not schools, 'you can choose any colour you like but you are having a black one.' For local people you can choose any school you like but you are having this one - Grove Park. No wonder Southampton performs poorly compared to Hampshire and even worse when compared nationally. I think the Southampton Authority came 115 out of 145!!!. Little wonder the head of the current Primary Review in Southampton resigned. Its fairly obvious she could see the same disaster coming to Primary Education as is happening now following Southampton's recent secondary review!!! Childrens education first. Cuts elsewhere if needed please.
Posted by: Adrian Smith on 5:49pm Wed 5 Mar 08
brian wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Brian wrote: well said verbal kint. I have a lad who attends woodlands school who plays for the local football team, and at the age of 13 he is one of the politist and well mannered we have, but would also say that good parental care has made him a credit
Brian, I have friends who work at Woodlands who speak highly of the establishment. Sadly the perception people have of the school is largely negative because of it's predominantly Harefield and Thornhill catchment. Schools in Southampton are not meeting the expectations of the middle-classes, hence why they choose to send their children to Kings, Wildern, Hamble, Romsey etc.
they can always go private. the choice is simple
It is the choice I had to make (three children at King Edwards) but it is too pricey for many.
Posted by: paul b on 5:50pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Brian wrote:
well said verbal kint. I have a lad who attends woodlands school who plays for the local football team, and at the age of 13 he is one of the politist and well mannered we have, but would also say that good parental care has made him a credit
He's only 13 though, could of been only at woddlands for a year or so.

My friend's kids used to be polite at that age, but after attending woodlands the little treasure's turnt into foul-mouthed yobs- and beyond the mothers control. She did all she could to stop them being bullied but the school took no noticed. Well if what did they do can't beat um join um. Such a waste. Such a good mother she is to so you can't blame her. It's peer pressure and the animals in the school.
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 5:57pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Oasis have a track record of delivering high quality education but sadly their Christian origins were held against them by anti-Christian councillors (mainly Labour as it's not PC to be a Christian in the UK).

If you want a mediocre education for your child, where 5 C's at GCSE is adequate, then take your chances at Chamberlayne Park or Woodlands. If you want your child to excel academically, give Oasis a go.
Posted by: Plain Dan on 5:58pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Adrian Smith wrote:
brian wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Brian wrote: well said verbal kint. I have a lad who attends woodlands school who plays for the local football team, and at the age of 13 he is one of the politist and well mannered we have, but would also say that good parental care has made him a credit
Brian, I have friends who work at Woodlands who speak highly of the establishment. Sadly the perception people have of the school is largely negative because of it's predominantly Harefield and Thornhill catchment. Schools in Southampton are not meeting the expectations of the middle-classes, hence why they choose to send their children to Kings, Wildern, Hamble, Romsey etc.
they can always go private. the choice is simple
It is the choice I had to make (three children at King Edwards) but it is too pricey for many.
I have the the money to send my children to private schools but choose not to.

I personally don't think any of these private schools make anything out of my children which a public school can't.

I've plenty of people of whom enlisted thier child into private schools and they've turnt out worse!
Posted by: X5 girl, Hanpshire on 6:50pm Wed 5 Mar 08
Well unfortunetly my grammer and spelling are not the best at the moment as I am having to type with 1 finger as I am also doing other things.

Where did I say I was bragging about having an X5?????????.........

...I didn't, it is just a name I used and why is everyone now so obsessed with my car when the focus of this was supposed to be about children and their education.

It seems like my choice of car is bothering you which I don't understand, I worked hard for my car so I will drive what I like.

As for the social worker, get your kids a taxi, I would never ever let my children walk home and being a social worker you should know better than anyone what can happen to children.

I say each to their own so you let yours walk snd I will drive mine and then we are both happy.

It never ceases to amaze how people jump on others who want to give thier kids the best they can as it strikes me a bit of the old green eyed monster.

Posted by: Gas guzzler on 7:17pm Wed 5 Mar 08
X5 girl wrote:
Well unfortunetly my grammer and spelling are not the best at the moment as I am having to type with 1 finger as I am also doing other things. Where did I say I was bragging about having an X5?????????......... ...I didn't, it is just a name I used and why is everyone now so obsessed with my car when the focus of this was supposed to be about children and their education. It seems like my choice of car is bothering you which I don't understand, I worked hard for my car so I will drive what I like. As for the social worker, get your kids a taxi, I would never ever let my children walk home and being a social worker you should know better than anyone what can happen to children. I say each to their own so you let yours walk snd I will drive mine and then we are both happy. It never ceases to amaze how people jump on others who want to give thier kids the best they can as it strikes me a bit of the old green eyed monster.
Hmmmmm....a taxi to school, which is in the next road?!

Plus putting my children in a taxi is just as dangerous as letting them walk these days.

If you wrap your children in cotton wool they won't get anywhere in life.

First job interview: 'Mummy could you come in and hold my hand?'

If you've worked hard just to get an X5, I feel sorry for you. Overrated piece of tin. I perfer my Mercedes.


p.s what's your lack of grammar got to do with you typing with one finger. It's your brain that learns to spell not your fingers?!
Posted by: paul b on 9:07pm Wed 5 Mar 08
paul b wrote:
Brian wrote:
well said verbal kint. I have a lad who attends woodlands school who plays for the local football team, and at the age of 13 he is one of the politist and well mannered we have, but would also say that good parental care has made him a credit
He's only 13 though, could of been only at woddlands for a year or so.

My friend's kids used to be polite at that age, but after attending woodlands the little treasure's turnt into foul-mouthed yobs- and beyond the mothers control. She did all she could to stop them being bullied but the school took no noticed. Well if what did they do can't beat um join um. Such a waste. Such a good mother she is to so you can't blame her. It's peer pressure and the animals in the school.
this was NOT ME
Posted by: paul b on 9:52pm Wed 5 Mar 08
X5 girl wrote:
Bob wrote:
X5 girl wrote: Well unfortunetly my grammer and spelling are not the best at the moment as I am having to type with 1 finger as I am also doing other things. Where did I say I was bragging about having an X5?????????......... ...I didn't, it is just a name I used and why is everyone now so obsessed with my car when the focus of this was supposed to be about children and their education. It seems like my choice of car is bothering you which I don't understand, I worked hard for my car so I will drive what I like. As for the social worker, get your kids a taxi, I would never ever let my children walk home and being a social worker you should know better than anyone what can happen to children. I say each to their own so you let yours walk snd I will drive mine and then we are both happy. It never ceases to amaze how people jump on others who want to give thier kids the best they can as it strikes me a bit of the old green eyed monster.
Green eyed because you have an X5, don't think so love. Get your nose out of your arse.
If you took your head out of 'your arse' you would see what I wrote as I said ' It never ceases to amaze how people jump on others who want to give thier kids the best they can as it strikes me a bit of the old green eyed monster'. Now where does it say about a car there..........nowhe re so you are talking c**p. As for the social worker do you think you shoud be working with children as you seem a very bitter person so probably not really suited in a delicate situation. As we keep going back to my grammer......I don't need to worry about my grammer as I am not a office worker as I have people to do that for me.
Me thinks you are a big fat liar.
Posted by: ha ha on 10:26am Thu 6 Mar 08
Condor Man wrote:
Oasis have a track record of delivering high quality education but sadly their Christian origins were held against them by anti-Christian councillors (mainly Labour as it's not PC to be a Christian in the UK). If you want a mediocre education for your child, where 5 C's at GCSE is adequate, then take your chances at Chamberlayne Park or Woodlands. If you want your child to excel academically, give Oasis a go.
What track record? The first Oasis academies opened Sept 2007. That's what so hard to take when some idiot awarded Oasis the contract to run the new schools.
Posted by: Disgruntled Parent, Locks Heath on 3:22pm Thu 6 Mar 08
Apparently I live 20yds outside catchment of our chosen school. Both my older children attend that school (didn't realise we were just outside catchment when they went there). My youngest also attends a feeder school. He has been allocated a place at school we had not listed or know much about. He is gutted he can't attend the same school as his brothers and friends. How can this be right for him. We also will be appealing.
Posted by: kelly, southampton on 8:51pm Thu 6 Mar 08
Iam happy for the parents and children that got there first choice of secondary school. My first choice for my son was not in my catchment area it was for the special needs that he would need to help him through school as he only found out last year he has dyslexia and has been struggerling through out his schooling with the problem. The school admission do not take special needs into consideration when handing out places as they have given my son a school which is a bus ride away and the goverment will not help with bus fare as its not more than 5 miles away but yet thats the school they say he has to go to. Needless to say i think a few parents will be appealing against the admissions decision
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