PARENTS are facing childcare
headaches as tomorrow's
strike action threatens
to close more than a
third of Southampton's
schools.
By last night 32 of the city's 81
schools had informed parents that
they would be forced to close to some
or all of their pupils due to the number
of teachers on strike.
Members of the National Union of
Teachers (NUT) are walking out
nationally in protest at a below-inflation
pay offer by the government.
Disruption will hit hundreds of
families in the city with schools
announcing full or partial closure to
pupils.
A spokesman for Southampton
City Council said although a provisional
list was being drawn up, the
number of schools closed to pupils
could rise on the day.
Education chiefs are urging
parents to contact the city's
Children's Information Service
(CIS) who may be able to help in
finding childcare.
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Lin Clark of the CIS said: "We
will do our very best to find
last-minute childcare.
"It is possible to find something
at short notice but we can't
guarantee anything."
In Hampshire 23 schools had notified
the county council of their
intention to either fully or partly
close tomorrow.
A Hampshire County Council
spokesman said it was the decision
of head teachers to close depending
on staff numbers. Teachers had
been asked to notify the school if
they were intending to strike,
although they were not duty bound
to do so.
A fuller picture of how many of
the 540 Hampshire schools will be
closing was due to emerge today.
Education bosses on the Isle of
Wight have announced that 18
schools would be closed or partially
closed tomorrow.
Lecturers from Southampton City
College, Brockenhurst College,
Sparsholt College, Fareham College
and Eastleigh College were also
expected to strike over pay and conditions.
l To contact South-ampton
Children's Information Service call
0800 169 8833 or log on to southamptoncis.
org. For a comprehensive list
of schools that will be closing log on
to dailyecho.co.uk.
Schools Open in Southampton
Banister Infant and Nursery
Beechwood Junior
Bevois Town
Bitterne CE Junior
Bitterne Manor
Bitterne Park Infant
Bitterne Park Junior
Cedar School
Chamberlayne Park
Fairisle Junior
Foundry Lane Primary
Glenfield Infant
Highfield Primary
Hollybrook Infants
Hollybrook Junior
Holy Family Catholic Primary
Mansel Park Primary
Oaklands Community
Oakwood Infant
Regents Park Community College,
Sinclair Primary
St Anne's Catholic
St Denys Primary
Tanners Brook Infant
Thornhill Primary
Townhill Infant
Upper Shirley High
Weston Park Junior
Weston Shore Infant
Wordsworth Infant
Great Oaks School
Kanes Hill Primary School
Mansbridge Primary School
Sholing Infant School
Sholing Junior School
St George Catholic College
St Johns Infant And Nursery School
St Mark's C of E Junior School
St Monica Infant School
St Patrick's Catholic Primary School
The Sholing Technology College
Schools Closed in Southampton
Bassett Green Primary
Freemantle Infant
Hardmoor Early Years Centre
Heathfield Junior
Mason Moor
Maytree Nursery & Infant
Moorlands Primary
Mount Pleasant Junior
Newlands Primary
Redbridge Primary
Springwell School
St Deny's Primary
Swaythling Primary
Tanners Brook Junior
Thornhill Primary
Weston Park Infant
Partial Closures in Southampton
Bitterne Park (Secondary) - open to Years seven, eight and nine only. Years 10 and 11 to stay home.
Cantell Maths and Computing College - open to Years nine and eleven
Fairisle Infant and Nursery - three classes closed (infant), nursery is open; please contact your child's school for more information.
Grove Park Business and Enterprise College - school will be open for years nine, 10 and 11 and no school for years seven and eight.
Harefield Primary - eight classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
Ludlow Infant - three classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
Ludlow Junior - eight classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
Millbrook Community - Years seven, eight and nine to stay at home. Year 10 to attend from lunch time, Year 11 to attend all day. Free school lunches will be available.
The Polygon - four classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
Redbridge Community College - closed except for Year 11.
Shirley Junior - two classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
Shirley Warren Primary - nursery, reception and year two to stay at home.
Springhill Catholic Primary - four classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
St. Mary's Primary - affecting various classes; please contact your child's school for more information.
St Monica Junior - Year three classes only to stay at home.
Townhill Junior - four classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
Woodlands Community College - Years seven, eight and 10 will stay at home. Years nine and 11 will be in school all day.
Valentine Infant - three classes closed; please contact your child's school for more information.
Oakwood Junior - four classes closed, please contact the school for more information
Woolston School Language College - partial closure of 15 classes across all year groups. Contact school for more information.
The schools so far confirmed as closed in Hampshire are:
Cams Hill, Fareham
Copythorne Cof E primary, Copythorne
Crofton Hammond Junior, Fareham
Foxhills Infant , Colbury, nr Totton
New Milton Infant, New Milton
Priestlands, Lymington but revision clinic for yr 11 will go ahead as planned as will GSCE art exam
Ranvilles Infant, Fareham
St John's CofE Primary Gosport
Trosnant Junior, Havant
Hampshire schools partially closed include;
Bay House, Gosport - Closed to years 7,8,9 and 10 open periods one to four for year 11 and all day for 6th form
Botley C of E Primary, Botley - Seven classes closed, two open
Brookfield Community School, Sarisbury Green - Closed to all but year 11
Fair Oak Junior, Fair Oak - Three classes closed
Fryern Junior, Chandler's Ford - One class in but six asked to stay home
Hiltingbury Infant, Chandler's Ford- One class and speech and language unit closed
Milford on Sea CofE Primary, Milford on Sea - Seven classes closed, four open
New Milton Junior, New Milton Milton - One class closed all day, two for half a day each
Stoke Park Infant, Bishopstoke - Six classes closed, two open
Westgate School, Winchester - 260 pupils not in for the whole day, year 11 in part of the day
Bridgemary Community Sports College - No classes except for GCSE students, some revision clinics and hairdressing. Check with school for more details.
Portchester Community School - No classes except for Year 11.
Harrison Primary School - Contact school for more details.
Isle of Wight Schools Closed
Broadlea Primary
Godshill Primary
Haylands Primary
Nettlestone Primary
Bishop Lovett Middle
Mayfield Middle
Isle of Wight Schools Partially closed
Dover Park Primary
East Cowes Primary
Greenmount Primary
Love Lane Primary
Newchurch Primary
St Saviour's Primary
Shanklin Primary
Lake Middle School
Ventnor Middle School
Cowes High School (Year 9 Closed)
Sandown High School (Year 9 & 10 Closed, Revised timetable in operation
for Years 11, 12, 13)
When will teachers realise they have a legal duty to supervise those kids as parents have the obligation to send them to school. I remember the strikes in 85 and the contempt that grew for teachers after it. I hope they are docked a days pay at least.
SHAME ON THEM, they earn a good wage compared to the parents of most of their pupils.
When will teachers realise they have a legal duty to supervise those kids as parents have the obligation to send them to school. I remember the strikes in 85 and the contempt that grew for teachers after it. I hope they are docked a days pay at least.
SHAME ON THEM, they earn a good wage compared to the parents of most of their pupils.
Posted by: Anon, South Hampshire on 12:48pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don't know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn't the children who decided this.
If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don't know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn't the children who decided this.
If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
As a mother of two teachers believe me they do not have such an easy life as people think. Good on you Mike I totally agree. Contra to what people think they do not get to school when the pupils do, they are in much earlier and do not leave when the pupils do. They spend most of their weekends marking books and dealing with the necessary paperwork that this Government has imposed. They have no means of imposing discipline on pupils and are not backed when there is a problem but have to accept back into their schools problem pupils.
As a mother of two teachers believe me they do not have such an easy life as people think. Good on you Mike I totally agree. Contra to what people think they do not get to school when the pupils do, they are in much earlier and do not leave when the pupils do. They spend most of their weekends marking books and dealing with the necessary paperwork that this Government has imposed. They have no means of imposing discipline on pupils and are not backed when there is a problem but have to accept back into their schools problem pupils.
Posted by: A Stroppy Parent, Locks Heath on 1:22pm Tue 22 Apr 08
I have just found out that Brookfield School in Locks Heath are closed on Thursday. They are having the good grace of letting parents know tonight. Talk about short notice! They obviously think that all working parents can arrange leave, etc just like that!! Locks Heath Junior are definitely open, sorry Juniors, no day on the playstation for you.
I have just found out that Brookfield School in Locks Heath are closed on Thursday. They are having the good grace of letting parents know tonight. Talk about short notice! They obviously think that all working parents can arrange leave, etc just like that!! Locks Heath Junior are definitely open, sorry Juniors, no day on the playstation for you.
Why is it that when the Fire Service strike, everyone supports them and nurses because they do a great job etc, but as soon as teachers demand the same treatment, they are criticised? Is looking after and educating your children not worthy enough?
How would you like a pay cut this year, next year and the year after that? Teachers are simply asking for a payrise at least in line with inflation, in recognition of the important job that they do.
"Condor Man" - teachers are all too aware of their responsibility towards the children that they teach. The vast, vast majority [italic]do[/italic] work long hours and are treated like sh@t by a lot of the children and parents in return. When will [italic]you[/italic] appreciate that it's the parents responsibility to raise their children, teachers to provide and education. Unfortunately a lot of parents seem to think that it is also the school's job to tech their children [italic]all[/italic] of their social skills e.g. toilet train, feed, clothe, educate and discipline their kids. Teachers go to teacher training college or complete a conversation course after their degree, because they [italic]want[/italic] to teach as a vocation, not because of the benefits and salary. Irrespective of how hard the job may be, most actually want to do the job - they're just asking to be treated fairly while they do it. It's not too much to ask for is it?
Teachers may earn more than some of the parents of the children they teach; so what? What's your point? They should earn less than everyone? Just because they earn more than you, they [italic]deserve[/italic] a pay cut?
Why is it that when the Fire Service strike, everyone supports them and nurses because they do a great job etc, but as soon as teachers demand the same treatment, they are criticised? Is looking after and educating your children not worthy enough?
How would you like a pay cut this year, next year and the year after that? Teachers are simply asking for a payrise at least in line with inflation, in recognition of the important job that they do.
"Condor Man" - teachers are all too aware of their responsibility towards the children that they teach. The vast, vast majority do work long hours and are treated like sh@t by a lot of the children and parents in return. When will you appreciate that it's the parents responsibility to raise their children, teachers to provide and education. Unfortunately a lot of parents seem to think that it is also the school's job to tech their children all of their social skills e.g. toilet train, feed, clothe, educate and discipline their kids. Teachers go to teacher training college or complete a conversation course after their degree, because they want to teach as a vocation, not because of the benefits and salary. Irrespective of how hard the job may be, most actually want to do the job - they're just asking to be treated fairly while they do it. It's not too much to ask for is it?
Teachers may earn more than some of the parents of the children they teach; so what? What's your point? They should earn less than everyone? Just because they earn more than you, they deserve a pay cut?
[quote][bold]Cushy number[/bold] wrote:
Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach![/quote] If it's that easy, why don't you give it a try?
If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren't you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don't you know?!!
What's the point in striking during half-term?
Cushy number wrote:
Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach!
If it's that easy, why don't you give it a try?
If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren't you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don't you know?!!
[quote][bold]A Stroppy Parent[/bold] wrote:
I have just found out that Brookfield School in Locks Heath are closed on Thursday. They are having the good grace of letting parents know tonight. Talk about short notice! They obviously think that all working parents can arrange leave, etc just like that!! Locks Heath Junior are definitely open, sorry Juniors, no day on the playstation for you. [/quote] That's obviously their train of thought, they're striking just to pi*s you off! Despite discussion and negotiation, the government have refused to award teachers a payrise in line with inflation. The only way to get the government to sit up and listen is to strike, which causes disruption, undoubtedly - but is't that the point?
Believe it or not, teachers would rather be working, but also getting a fair wage to do so.
A Stroppy Parent wrote:
I have just found out that Brookfield School in Locks Heath are closed on Thursday. They are having the good grace of letting parents know tonight. Talk about short notice! They obviously think that all working parents can arrange leave, etc just like that!! Locks Heath Junior are definitely open, sorry Juniors, no day on the playstation for you.
That's obviously their train of thought, they're striking just to pi*s you off! Despite discussion and negotiation, the government have refused to award teachers a payrise in line with inflation. The only way to get the government to sit up and listen is to strike, which causes disruption, undoubtedly - but is't that the point?
Believe it or not, teachers would rather be working, but also getting a fair wage to do so.
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Cushy number[/bold] wrote: Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach![/quote] If it's that easy, why don't you give it a try? If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren't you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don't you know?!! What's the point in striking during half-term?[/quote] The point about half term is a dig at the long holidays - bit too subtle for you! The reason I dont teach is I can and do earn far more doing something else! I didnt say teachers get paid a lot - because they do not but there are other benefits that most teachers forget about when they are enjoying their 13 weeks holiday!
Sentient wrote:
Cushy number wrote: Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach!
If it's that easy, why don't you give it a try? If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren't you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don't you know?!! What's the point in striking during half-term?
The point about half term is a dig at the long holidays - bit too subtle for you! The reason I dont teach is I can and do earn far more doing something else! I didnt say teachers get paid a lot - because they do not but there are other benefits that most teachers forget about when they are enjoying their 13 weeks holiday!
Posted by: whizzpop, Fareham/Eastleigh/Bi
tterne/Hedge End on 2:03pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Teachers don't have it easy at all. They work 7.30-5 most days and still bring work home to be marked after school. So to say they have it easy is absolute rubbish, and clearly from people who don't have any idea about what teachers go through!
Teachers don't have it easy at all. They work 7.30-5 most days and still bring work home to be marked after school. So to say they have it easy is absolute rubbish, and clearly from people who don't have any idea about what teachers go through!
Posted by: Fed up teacher, southampton on 2:05pm Tue 22 Apr 08
cannot believe what i have read!! Teacher shaving an easy life - guess most of you have not been a tecaher then. I taught in southampton for 2 years before moving schools - hardest 2 years of my life. People who are moaning about teachers should do a week in a southampton school and then maybe just maybe you'll see that it isn't easy!
Teachers, doctors, nuses, etc are ALL vatsly underpaid when you consider what Footballers & Politicians are paid. Politicians are the worst of the lot - they vote themselves a big pay rise and then screw every other public sector worker, when it comes to pay. They are a total disgrace.
cannot believe what i have read!! Teacher shaving an easy life - guess most of you have not been a tecaher then. I taught in southampton for 2 years before moving schools - hardest 2 years of my life. People who are moaning about teachers should do a week in a southampton school and then maybe just maybe you'll see that it isn't easy!
Teachers, doctors, nuses, etc are ALL vatsly underpaid when you consider what Footballers & Politicians are paid. Politicians are the worst of the lot - they vote themselves a big pay rise and then screw every other public sector worker, when it comes to pay. They are a total disgrace.
Posted by: Anon, Southampton on 2:08pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.[/quote] What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \"These people don\'t know how easy they have it\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot. [/quote] [bold]Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve 'sir'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected?
I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them.
As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.[/bold]
Irrational fool.
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \"These people don\'t know how easy they have it\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot.
Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve 'sir'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected?
I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them.
As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.
Posted by: fed up teacher, southampton on 2:09pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Cushy number[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Cushy number[/bold] wrote: Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach![/quote] If it\'s that easy, why don\'t you give it a try? If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren\'t you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don\'t you know?!! What\'s the point in striking during half-term?[/quote] The point about half term is a dig at the long holidays - bit too subtle for you! The reason I dont teach is I can and do earn far more doing something else! I didnt say teachers get paid a lot - because they do not but there are other benefits that most teachers forget about when they are enjoying their 13 weeks holiday![/quote] Enjoying our 13 week holiday - working fora lot of it - and then paying to go away whe it is the most expensive time to go on holiday!! Yeah thats really enjoyable. Guess you can take time off when it suits you though and go on holiday when it is cheap. Bet yo wouldn't like to b told when you could go on holiday. get real. Would you strike during your holiday???
Cushy number wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Cushy number wrote: Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach!
If it\'s that easy, why don\'t you give it a try? If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren\'t you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don\'t you know?!! What\'s the point in striking during half-term?
The point about half term is a dig at the long holidays - bit too subtle for you! The reason I dont teach is I can and do earn far more doing something else! I didnt say teachers get paid a lot - because they do not but there are other benefits that most teachers forget about when they are enjoying their 13 weeks holiday!
Enjoying our 13 week holiday - working fora lot of it - and then paying to go away whe it is the most expensive time to go on holiday!! Yeah thats really enjoyable. Guess you can take time off when it suits you though and go on holiday when it is cheap. Bet yo wouldn't like to b told when you could go on holiday. get real. Would you strike during your holiday???
[quote][bold]Cushy number[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Cushy number[/bold] wrote: Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach![/quote] If it's that easy, why don't you give it a try? If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren't you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don't you know?!! What's the point in striking during half-term?[/quote] The point about half term is a dig at the long holidays - bit too subtle for you! The reason I dont teach is I can and do earn far more doing something else! I didnt say teachers get paid a lot - because they do not but there are other benefits that most teachers forget about when they are enjoying their 13 weeks holiday![/quote] Subtle? It was so subtle it was off the radar!
I don't think there's any dispute that teachers only teach during term-time, but most do also work during the holiday periods as well; lesson planning, marking, writing reports etc. Typically someone outside of teaching might expect something like 30 days a year holiday? Teachers get twice that - that doesn't justify getting no payrise does it? You can't change the goalposts to suit your argument. What other benefits are you referring to that teachers enjoy during their holidays that justifies a pay cut? Or would you have all benefits taken away as well?
Cushy number wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Cushy number wrote: Why not strike during half term. If you dont like the pay find another job - or is it a case of those who cant do teach!
If it's that easy, why don't you give it a try? If the job is that easy, and teachers get paid so much, whay is there a national shortage of teachers? Whay aren't you all teaching? They get a final salary pension as well, don't you know?!! What's the point in striking during half-term?
The point about half term is a dig at the long holidays - bit too subtle for you! The reason I dont teach is I can and do earn far more doing something else! I didnt say teachers get paid a lot - because they do not but there are other benefits that most teachers forget about when they are enjoying their 13 weeks holiday!
Subtle? It was so subtle it was off the radar!
I don't think there's any dispute that teachers only teach during term-time, but most do also work during the holiday periods as well; lesson planning, marking, writing reports etc. Typically someone outside of teaching might expect something like 30 days a year holiday? Teachers get twice that - that doesn't justify getting no payrise does it? You can't change the goalposts to suit your argument. What other benefits are you referring to that teachers enjoy during their holidays that justifies a pay cut? Or would you have all benefits taken away as well?
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 2:13pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Fed up teacher[/bold] wrote:
cannot believe what i have read!! Teacher shaving an easy life - guess most of you have not been a tecaher then. I taught in southampton for 2 years before moving schools - hardest 2 years of my life. People who are moaning about teachers should do a week in a southampton school and then maybe just maybe you'll see that it isn't easy! Teachers, doctors, nuses, etc are ALL vatsly underpaid when you consider what Footballers & Politicians are paid. Politicians are the worst of the lot - they vote themselves a big pay rise and then screw every other public sector worker, when it comes to pay. They are a total disgrace.[/quote] Good effort, however you're argument could do with a little more detail. Try to remember how and when to use capital letters and work on you're spelling (B+)
I'm glad you're no longer teaching if that's the best you can do!
Fed up teacher wrote:
cannot believe what i have read!! Teacher shaving an easy life - guess most of you have not been a tecaher then. I taught in southampton for 2 years before moving schools - hardest 2 years of my life. People who are moaning about teachers should do a week in a southampton school and then maybe just maybe you'll see that it isn't easy! Teachers, doctors, nuses, etc are ALL vatsly underpaid when you consider what Footballers & Politicians are paid. Politicians are the worst of the lot - they vote themselves a big pay rise and then screw every other public sector worker, when it comes to pay. They are a total disgrace.
Good effort, however you're argument could do with a little more detail. Try to remember how and when to use capital letters and work on you're spelling (B+)
I'm glad you're no longer teaching if that's the best you can do!
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 2:18pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Fed up teacher[/bold] wrote: cannot believe what i have read!! Teacher shaving an easy life - guess most of you have not been a tecaher then. I taught in southampton for 2 years before moving schools - hardest 2 years of my life. People who are moaning about teachers should do a week in a southampton school and then maybe just maybe you'll see that it isn't easy! Teachers, doctors, nuses, etc are ALL vatsly underpaid when you consider what Footballers & Politicians are paid. Politicians are the worst of the lot - they vote themselves a big pay rise and then screw every other public sector worker, when it comes to pay. They are a total disgrace.[/quote] Good effort, however you're argument could do with a little more detail. Try to remember how and when to use capital letters and work on you're spelling (B+) I'm glad you're no longer teaching if that's the best you can do![/quote] Can anyone spot the deliberate mistake...
Paul wrote:
Fed up teacher wrote: cannot believe what i have read!! Teacher shaving an easy life - guess most of you have not been a tecaher then. I taught in southampton for 2 years before moving schools - hardest 2 years of my life. People who are moaning about teachers should do a week in a southampton school and then maybe just maybe you'll see that it isn't easy! Teachers, doctors, nuses, etc are ALL vatsly underpaid when you consider what Footballers & Politicians are paid. Politicians are the worst of the lot - they vote themselves a big pay rise and then screw every other public sector worker, when it comes to pay. They are a total disgrace.
Good effort, however you're argument could do with a little more detail. Try to remember how and when to use capital letters and work on you're spelling (B+) I'm glad you're no longer teaching if that's the best you can do!
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.[/quote] What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \"These people don\'t know how easy they have it\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot. [/quote] [bold]Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve 'sir'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.[/bold] Irrational fool.[/quote] No I'm not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I'm a little better qualified than you to judge.
I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That's what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on "just teaching them". Isn't that their job?!! YOu're completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an "easy touch". Where do you get that idea from?
You've made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it's nothing like your utopia, and I [italic]am[/italic] fully justified in telling you that teachers are [italic]not[/italic] rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.
In any event, the strike action isn't about how much teachers are paid, it's about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair?
Just how much do you thnk teachers earn?
Irrational? Fool? Don't think so. But you are right to call me "Sir". Young whippersnapper!
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \"These people don\'t know how easy they have it\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot.
Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve 'sir'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. Irrational fool.
No I'm not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I'm a little better qualified than you to judge.
I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That's what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on "just teaching them". Isn't that their job?!! YOu're completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an "easy touch". Where do you get that idea from?
You've made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it's nothing like your utopia, and I am fully justified in telling you that teachers are not rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.
In any event, the strike action isn't about how much teachers are paid, it's about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair?
Just how much do you thnk teachers earn?
Irrational? Fool? Don't think so. But you are right to call me "Sir". Young whippersnapper!
Posted by: Ex public sector worker, Southampton on 2:29pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]james[/bold] wrote:
sack them, thats what would happen to me if i went on stike. When will the public sector grow up and get in the real world.[/quote] I think James is missing the point - Public sector pay is dreadful and a rise of just 2.5% is actually a PAY CUT!(Government inflation actually being 4.9%) They are in the real world and they are responsible for the education of our children for god's sake, why shouldnt they stick up for themselves? By the look of your bad grammar in your post, i take it you had poorly paid teachers - stick up for them!!!
james wrote:
sack them, thats what would happen to me if i went on stike. When will the public sector grow up and get in the real world.
I think James is missing the point - Public sector pay is dreadful and a rise of just 2.5% is actually a PAY CUT!(Government inflation actually being 4.9%) They are in the real world and they are responsible for the education of our children for god's sake, why shouldnt they stick up for themselves? By the look of your bad grammar in your post, i take it you had poorly paid teachers - stick up for them!!!
Posted by: Anon, Southampton on 2:43pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\\\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\\\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.[/quote] What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\\\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\\\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\\\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\\\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \\\"These people don\\\'t know how easy they have it\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\\\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot. [/quote] [bold]Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve \'sir\'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I\'m 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.[/bold] Irrational fool.[/quote] No I\'m not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I\'m a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That\'s what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \"just teaching them\". Isn\'t that their job?!! YOu\'re completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \"easy touch\". Where do you get that idea from? You\'ve made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it\'s nothing like your utopia, and I [italic]am[/italic] fully justified in telling you that teachers are [italic]not[/italic] rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn\'t about how much teachers are paid, it\'s about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don\'t think so. But you are right to call me \"Sir\". Young whippersnapper! [/quote] Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline.
'Is the pay cut fair', well, we are all subject to this with current 'real' inflation, but are not taking such action.
A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn.
'Sir', if this fits; I could retort but wont!
'Whippersnapper', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion.
'Idiot', I don't think so. (!)
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don't know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn't the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn't be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn't have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn't happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff's worth and pay them accordingly. \\\"These people don't know how easy they have it\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It's not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot.
Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve \'sir\'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I\'m 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. Irrational fool.
No I\'m not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I\'m a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That\'s what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \"just teaching them\". Isn\'t that their job?!! YOu\'re completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \"easy touch\". Where do you get that idea from? You\'ve made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it\'s nothing like your utopia, and I am fully justified in telling you that teachers are not rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn\'t about how much teachers are paid, it\'s about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don\'t think so. But you are right to call me \"Sir\". Young whippersnapper!
Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline.
'Is the pay cut fair', well, we are all subject to this with current 'real' inflation, but are not taking such action.
A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn.
'Sir', if this fits; I could retort but wont!
'Whippersnapper', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion.
Posted by: Anon, Southampton on 2:51pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ex public sector worker[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]james[/bold] wrote: sack them, thats what would happen to me if i went on stike. When will the public sector grow up and get in the real world.[/quote] I think James is missing the point - Public sector pay is dreadful and a rise of just 2.5% is actually a PAY CUT!(Government inflation actually being 4.9%) They are in the real world and they are responsible for the education of our children for god's sake, why shouldnt they stick up for themselves? By the look of your bad grammar in your post, i take it you had poorly paid teachers - stick up for them!!![/quote] Actually the government figures show an inflation figure closer to 2.1% and so based on this, and I stress based on this, it would not be a pay cut. They have to be sure that if they are using the CPI of 2.1% in one scenario, that they use it in all.
Unfortunately, this corrupt government is insistant on this 2.1% when everyone else knows it is closer to 8% on average.
People need to look at the bigger picture rather than making up their own figures for half of the story and quoting figures for the other half.
This is what you get in the public sector...you should know this when you start your career. If not, go back to your careers advisor and tell them so they can pass the knowledge on!
Ex public sector worker wrote:
james wrote: sack them, thats what would happen to me if i went on stike. When will the public sector grow up and get in the real world.
I think James is missing the point - Public sector pay is dreadful and a rise of just 2.5% is actually a PAY CUT!(Government inflation actually being 4.9%) They are in the real world and they are responsible for the education of our children for god's sake, why shouldnt they stick up for themselves? By the look of your bad grammar in your post, i take it you had poorly paid teachers - stick up for them!!!
Actually the government figures show an inflation figure closer to 2.1% and so based on this, and I stress based on this, it would not be a pay cut. They have to be sure that if they are using the CPI of 2.1% in one scenario, that they use it in all.
Unfortunately, this corrupt government is insistant on this 2.1% when everyone else knows it is closer to 8% on average.
People need to look at the bigger picture rather than making up their own figures for half of the story and quoting figures for the other half.
This is what you get in the public sector...you should know this when you start your career. If not, go back to your careers advisor and tell them so they can pass the knowledge on!
Posted by: Straight to the point, Hythe on 2:55pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don't know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn't the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.[/quote] The point is, this wouldn't happen in the Private Sector, so what the hell are you going on about? Your letter is just the most infuriating one i have read so far, and you are completly ignorant of the facts. Have your tantrum elsewhere and let the teachers have a moan about their paycut in peace!
Anon wrote:
Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don't know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn't the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
The point is, this wouldn't happen in the Private Sector, so what the hell are you going on about? Your letter is just the most infuriating one i have read so far, and you are completly ignorant of the facts. Have your tantrum elsewhere and let the teachers have a moan about their paycut in peace!
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\\\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\\\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.[/quote] What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\\\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\\\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\\\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\\\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \\\"These people don\\\'t know how easy they have it\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\\\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot. [/quote] [bold]Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve \'sir\'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I\'m 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.[/bold] Irrational fool.[/quote] No I\'m not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I\'m a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That\'s what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \"just teaching them\". Isn\'t that their job?!! YOu\'re completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \"easy touch\". Where do you get that idea from? You\'ve made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it\'s nothing like your utopia, and I [italic]am[/italic] fully justified in telling you that teachers are [italic]not[/italic] rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn\'t about how much teachers are paid, it\'s about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don\'t think so. But you are right to call me \"Sir\". Young whippersnapper! [/quote] Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline. 'Is the pay cut fair', well, we are all subject to this with current 'real' inflation, but are not taking such action. A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn. 'Sir', if this fits; I could retort but wont! 'Whippersnapper', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion. 'Idiot', I don't think so. (!)[/quote] ....but we're not all subject to below inflation payrises, but public sector workers typically and historically are.
YOU may not have to resort to striking in the private sector, because their is usually a helpful HR dept. or a manager you can appeal to, or an appraisal system that you can use in order to challenge a pay award.
Techers have no such system - pay is on a set scale dictated to by the government. There is appeal system, no-one to speak to, no HR department or line manager. How else are teachers supposed to challenege their payrises, or even raise the issue if not through their union and through strike action? The government have refused to reason with the teaching unions - what option is left?
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don't know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn't the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn't be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn't have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn't happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff's worth and pay them accordingly. \\\"These people don't know how easy they have it\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It's not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot.
Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve \'sir\'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I\'m 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. Irrational fool.
No I\'m not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I\'m a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That\'s what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \"just teaching them\". Isn\'t that their job?!! YOu\'re completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \"easy touch\". Where do you get that idea from? You\'ve made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it\'s nothing like your utopia, and I am fully justified in telling you that teachers are not rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn\'t about how much teachers are paid, it\'s about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don\'t think so. But you are right to call me \"Sir\". Young whippersnapper!
Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline. 'Is the pay cut fair', well, we are all subject to this with current 'real' inflation, but are not taking such action. A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn. 'Sir', if this fits; I could retort but wont! 'Whippersnapper', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion. 'Idiot', I don't think so. (!)
....but we're not all subject to below inflation payrises, but public sector workers typically and historically are.
YOU may not have to resort to striking in the private sector, because their is usually a helpful HR dept. or a manager you can appeal to, or an appraisal system that you can use in order to challenge a pay award.
Techers have no such system - pay is on a set scale dictated to by the government. There is appeal system, no-one to speak to, no HR department or line manager. How else are teachers supposed to challenege their payrises, or even raise the issue if not through their union and through strike action? The government have refused to reason with the teaching unions - what option is left?
Posted by: Nathan, The Shire on 2:59pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\\\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\\\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.[/quote] What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\\\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\\\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\\\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\\\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \\\"These people don\\\'t know how easy they have it\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\\\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot. [/quote] [bold]Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve \'sir\'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I\'m 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.[/bold] Irrational fool.[/quote] No I\'m not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I\'m a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That\'s what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \"just teaching them\". Isn\'t that their job?!! YOu\'re completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \"easy touch\". Where do you get that idea from? You\'ve made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it\'s nothing like your utopia, and I [italic]am[/italic] fully justified in telling you that teachers are [italic]not[/italic] rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn\'t about how much teachers are paid, it\'s about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don\'t think so. But you are right to call me \"Sir\". Young whippersnapper! [/quote] Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline. 'Is the pay cut fair', well, we are all subject to this with current 'real' inflation, but are not taking such action. A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn. 'Sir', if this fits; I could retort but wont! 'Whippersnapper', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion. 'Idiot', I don't think so. (!)[/quote] ....but we're not all subject to below inflation payrises, but public sector workers typically and historically are. YOU may not have to resort to striking in the private sector, because their is usually a helpful HR dept. or a manager you can appeal to, or an appraisal system that you can use in order to challenge a pay award. Techers have no such system - pay is on a set scale dictated to by the government. There is appeal system, no-one to speak to, no HR department or line manager. How else are teachers supposed to challenege their payrises, or even raise the issue if not through their union and through strike action? The government have refused to reason with the teaching unions - what option is left?[/quote] Here Here!!
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don't know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn't the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn't be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn't have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn't happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff's worth and pay them accordingly. \\\"These people don't know how easy they have it\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It's not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot.
Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve \'sir\'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I\'m 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. Irrational fool.
No I\'m not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I\'m a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That\'s what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \"just teaching them\". Isn\'t that their job?!! YOu\'re completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \"easy touch\". Where do you get that idea from? You\'ve made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it\'s nothing like your utopia, and I am fully justified in telling you that teachers are not rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn\'t about how much teachers are paid, it\'s about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don\'t think so. But you are right to call me \"Sir\". Young whippersnapper!
Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline. 'Is the pay cut fair', well, we are all subject to this with current 'real' inflation, but are not taking such action. A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn. 'Sir', if this fits; I could retort but wont! 'Whippersnapper', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion. 'Idiot', I don't think so. (!)
....but we're not all subject to below inflation payrises, but public sector workers typically and historically are. YOU may not have to resort to striking in the private sector, because their is usually a helpful HR dept. or a manager you can appeal to, or an appraisal system that you can use in order to challenge a pay award. Techers have no such system - pay is on a set scale dictated to by the government. There is appeal system, no-one to speak to, no HR department or line manager. How else are teachers supposed to challenege their payrises, or even raise the issue if not through their union and through strike action? The government have refused to reason with the teaching unions - what option is left?
Posted by: Anon, Southampton on 3:05pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sentient[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\\\\\\\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\\\\\\\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.[/quote] What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\\\\\\\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\\\\\\\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\\\\\\\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\\\\\\\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \\\\\\\"These people don\\\\\\\'t know how easy they have it\\\\\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\\\\\\\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot. [/quote] [bold]Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve \\\'sir\\\'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I\\\'m 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities.[/bold] Irrational fool.[/quote] No I\\\'m not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I\\\'m a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That\\\'s what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \\\"just teaching them\\\". Isn\\\'t that their job?!! YOu\\\'re completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \\\"easy touch\\\". Where do you get that idea from? You\\\'ve made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it\\\'s nothing like your utopia, and I [italic]am[/italic] fully justified in telling you that teachers are [italic]not[/italic] rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn\\\'t about how much teachers are paid, it\\\'s about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don\\\'t think so. But you are right to call me \\\"Sir\\\". Young whippersnapper! [/quote] Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline. \'Is the pay cut fair\', well, we are all subject to this with current \'real\' inflation, but are not taking such action. A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn. \'Sir\', if this fits; I could retort but wont! \'Whippersnapper\', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion. \'Idiot\', I don\'t think so. (!)[/quote] ....but we\'re not all subject to below inflation payrises, but public sector workers typically and historically are. YOU may not have to resort to striking in the private sector, because their is usually a helpful HR dept. or a manager you can appeal to, or an appraisal system that you can use in order to challenge a pay award. Techers have no such system - pay is on a set scale dictated to by the government. There is appeal system, no-one to speak to, no HR department or line manager. How else are teachers supposed to challenege their payrises, or even raise the issue if not through their union and through strike action? The government have refused to reason with the teaching unions - what option is left?[/quote] Read my other comment - RE: CPI at 2.1%. 2.5% is not below this. The government are just as constrained because if they give to one, they must give to all they in turn are left with 'the only option' of striking. We have seen this in every public sector division and the public are not as emotionally attached as I imagine they once were.
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote:
Sentient wrote:
Anon wrote: Absolutely right; another example of the public sector taking the rise. These people don\\\\'t know how easy they have it and if they were better at their jobs, the control of the children would not be so hard. When I was at school, there were teachers who were respected and teachers who were not. It wasn\\\\'t the children who decided this. If this happened in the Private Sector, I can assure you that they would not have a job to stroll back into after their tantrum.
What a crock of sh@t. Perhaps if you raised your children better, you wouldn\\\\'t be reliant on teachers to do your parent job for you? Perhaps if you were a better parent, teachers wouldn\\\\'t have such a tough job of maintaing control of 30+ children in their classroom. This wouldn\\\\'t happen in the private sector. The private sector would recognise their staff\\\\'s worth and pay them accordingly. \\\\\\\"These people don\\\\'t know how easy they have it\\\\\\\"? Eh? Are you suggesting that teaching is easy? It\\\\'s not just about standing up in front of a class and reading from a book you know, or are you too pig-headed and ignorant to accept that? Idiot.
Ooops. Sorry for touching a raw nerve 'sir'? I am guessing that you are a teacher or in someway, very emotionally, connected? I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. As you see, I agree that 99% of raising a child is down to the parents, and it is because of this that I feel fully justified in believing that teachers are accordingly rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. Irrational fool.
No I'm not a teacher, but yes I am connected to teaching so I think I'm a little better qualified than you to judge. I congratulate you for intending on raising your prospective children to be respectful and disciplined. That's what society should expect, and yes, that would allow teachers to concentrate on \\\"just teaching them\\\". Isn't that their job?!! YOu're completely misguided if you think that being a teacher is an \\\"easy touch\\\". Where do you get that idea from? You've made your point. However perhaps if all children were respectful and disciplined, teachers would have an easier job and you would be justified in your argument. However, the truth is, it's nothing like your utopia, and I am fully justified in telling you that teachers are not rewarded with a salary that reflects their responsibilities. In any event, the strike action isn't about how much teachers are paid, it's about having a pay cut for the next 3 years. Is that fair? Just how much do you thnk teachers earn? Irrational? Fool? Don't think so. But you are right to call me \\\"Sir\\\". Young whippersnapper!
Well, some points to agree on and some that I still feel are contencious. Unfortunately my view is from utopia and I struggled not to be distracted by classmates with much lower levels of said respect and discipline. \'Is the pay cut fair\', well, we are all subject to this with current \'real\' inflation, but are not taking such action. A close friend of mine is a department head and so I have a realistic perspective of what teachers (in general) earn. \'Sir\', if this fits; I could retort but wont! \'Whippersnapper\', yes, very much still with the attitude that I have the answers, but not narcissistic as many others on this blog nor ignorant to an open discussion. \'Idiot\', I don\'t think so. (!)
....but we\'re not all subject to below inflation payrises, but public sector workers typically and historically are. YOU may not have to resort to striking in the private sector, because their is usually a helpful HR dept. or a manager you can appeal to, or an appraisal system that you can use in order to challenge a pay award. Techers have no such system - pay is on a set scale dictated to by the government. There is appeal system, no-one to speak to, no HR department or line manager. How else are teachers supposed to challenege their payrises, or even raise the issue if not through their union and through strike action? The government have refused to reason with the teaching unions - what option is left?
Read my other comment - RE: CPI at 2.1%. 2.5% is not below this. The government are just as constrained because if they give to one, they must give to all they in turn are left with 'the only option' of striking. We have seen this in every public sector division and the public are not as emotionally attached as I imagine they once were.
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ex public sector worker[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]james[/bold] wrote: sack them, thats what would happen to me if i went on stike. When will the public sector grow up and get in the real world.[/quote] I think James is missing the point - Public sector pay is dreadful and a rise of just 2.5% is actually a PAY CUT!(Government inflation actually being 4.9%) They are in the real world and they are responsible for the education of our children for god's sake, why shouldnt they stick up for themselves? By the look of your bad grammar in your post, i take it you had poorly paid teachers - stick up for them!!![/quote] Actually the government figures show an inflation figure closer to 2.1% and so based on this, and I stress based on this, it would not be a pay cut. They have to be sure that if they are using the CPI of 2.1% in one scenario, that they use it in all. Unfortunately, this corrupt government is insistant on this 2.1% when everyone else knows it is closer to 8% on average. People need to look at the bigger picture rather than making up their own figures for half of the story and quoting figures for the other half. This is what you get in the public sector...you should know this when you start your career. If not, go back to your careers advisor and tell them so they can pass the knowledge on![/quote] Actually the Consumer Price Index is running at 2.5% and RPI at 3.8% (March 2008). Even if we believe the govt. that inflation is running at 2.5%, that still represents a pay-freeze for teachers. Most people accept RPI as a more realistic measure of inflation, and consequently a "pay rise" of 2.5% is essentially a pay cut. Teaching unions have been perfectly clear on this point - there has been no ambiguity.
Anon wrote:
Ex public sector worker wrote:
james wrote: sack them, thats what would happen to me if i went on stike. When will the public sector grow up and get in the real world.
I think James is missing the point - Public sector pay is dreadful and a rise of just 2.5% is actually a PAY CUT!(Government inflation actually being 4.9%) They are in the real world and they are responsible for the education of our children for god's sake, why shouldnt they stick up for themselves? By the look of your bad grammar in your post, i take it you had poorly paid teachers - stick up for them!!!
Actually the government figures show an inflation figure closer to 2.1% and so based on this, and I stress based on this, it would not be a pay cut. They have to be sure that if they are using the CPI of 2.1% in one scenario, that they use it in all. Unfortunately, this corrupt government is insistant on this 2.1% when everyone else knows it is closer to 8% on average. People need to look at the bigger picture rather than making up their own figures for half of the story and quoting figures for the other half. This is what you get in the public sector...you should know this when you start your career. If not, go back to your careers advisor and tell them so they can pass the knowledge on!
Actually the Consumer Price Index is running at 2.5% and RPI at 3.8% (March 2008). Even if we believe the govt. that inflation is running at 2.5%, that still represents a pay-freeze for teachers. Most people accept RPI as a more realistic measure of inflation, and consequently a "pay rise" of 2.5% is essentially a pay cut. Teaching unions have been perfectly clear on this point - there has been no ambiguity.
Posted by: TEACHER, School on 3:17pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
When will teachers realise they have a legal duty to supervise those kids as parents have the obligation to send them to school. I remember the strikes in 85 and the contempt that grew for teachers after it. I hope they are docked a days pay at least. SHAME ON THEM, they earn a good wage compared to the parents of most of their pupils.[/quote] Hello There
Do you not realise STRIKE means unpaid,of course teachers know this!If we didnt have to put up with half the abuse from students and parents we wouldnt be striking!
Condor Man wrote:
When will teachers realise they have a legal duty to supervise those kids as parents have the obligation to send them to school. I remember the strikes in 85 and the contempt that grew for teachers after it. I hope they are docked a days pay at least. SHAME ON THEM, they earn a good wage compared to the parents of most of their pupils.
Hello There
Do you not realise STRIKE means unpaid,of course teachers know this!If we didnt have to put up with half the abuse from students and parents we wouldnt be striking!
[quote][bold]TEACHER[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: When will teachers realise they have a legal duty to supervise those kids as parents have the obligation to send them to school. I remember the strikes in 85 and the contempt that grew for teachers after it. I hope they are docked a days pay at least. SHAME ON THEM, they earn a good wage compared to the parents of most of their pupils.[/quote] Hello There Do you not realise STRIKE means unpaid,of course teachers know this!If we didnt have to put up with half the abuse from students and parents we wouldnt be striking![/quote] If you really are a teacher, then I am surprised at your poor use of grammar.
TEACHER wrote:
Condor Man wrote: When will teachers realise they have a legal duty to supervise those kids as parents have the obligation to send them to school. I remember the strikes in 85 and the contempt that grew for teachers after it. I hope they are docked a days pay at least. SHAME ON THEM, they earn a good wage compared to the parents of most of their pupils.
Hello There Do you not realise STRIKE means unpaid,of course teachers know this!If we didnt have to put up with half the abuse from students and parents we wouldnt be striking!
If you really are a teacher, then I am surprised at your poor use of grammar.
"Fed Up Teacher" - I make an educated guess that you were not a teacher of English.
Paul - I did spot the mistake but you redeemed yourself before I had even a small chance of admonishing you.
I went to the worst school in my area, with absolutely diabolical teachers. Thankfully, they have all retired now and today the students must surely stand a better chance.
"Fed Up Teacher" - I make an educated guess that you were not a teacher of English.
Paul - I did spot the mistake but you redeemed yourself before I had even a small chance of admonishing you.
I went to the worst school in my area, with absolutely diabolical teachers. Thankfully, they have all retired now and today the students must surely stand a better chance.
Many moons ago the government gave teachers professional status. This was their biggest error, because now, teachers act like spoilt little brats themselves and throw their toys around when they don't get what they want. In reality, they're only one step above white van drivers.
Many moons ago the government gave teachers professional status. This was their biggest error, because now, teachers act like spoilt little brats themselves and throw their toys around when they don't get what they want. In reality, they're only one step above white van drivers.
Posted by: Gripper, Winchester on 4:59pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Anon, you write:
[italic]I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them.[/italic]
Raising children is not easy. You cannot hope to know what your children will be like, but I'm guessing pedantic, ignorant, ill-informed little morons if you're anything to go by. I'm also guessing you were bullied at school hence your dislike of teachers who did not stop your suffering. Also why 'Anon'? Coward.
Anon, you write:
I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them.
Raising children is not easy. You cannot hope to know what your children will be like, but I'm guessing pedantic, ignorant, ill-informed little morons if you're anything to go by. I'm also guessing you were bullied at school hence your dislike of teachers who did not stop your suffering. Also why 'Anon'? Coward.
Posted by: Six of the best on 5:10pm Tue 22 Apr 08
I understand that Teachers can earn up to £34k, which added to 13 weeks holiday and a tasty pension seems ok to me.
I've never seen a Teacher turn up at 7:30 in the morning, but I'm sure some do work to (omg) 5pm and take some work home - welcome to the real world.
I'd be happy to see a higher rise if they were to go onto performance related pay. Too many kids leave school unable to use basic English and maths skills (I know its sometimes the fault of the kids & families, but not always).
We get letters home from school full of spelling and grammer mistakes (I'm sure this post has some, but I'm not paid to spell correctly) and many struggle to inspire and control their classes.
There are many good teachers that deserve to be well paid, but all are not in that class.
I understand that Teachers can earn up to £34k, which added to 13 weeks holiday and a tasty pension seems ok to me.
I've never seen a Teacher turn up at 7:30 in the morning, but I'm sure some do work to (omg) 5pm and take some work home - welcome to the real world.
I'd be happy to see a higher rise if they were to go onto performance related pay. Too many kids leave school unable to use basic English and maths skills (I know its sometimes the fault of the kids & families, but not always).
We get letters home from school full of spelling and grammer mistakes (I'm sure this post has some, but I'm not paid to spell correctly) and many struggle to inspire and control their classes.
There are many good teachers that deserve to be well paid, but all are not in that class.
Posted by: Anon, Southampton on 5:17pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Gripper[/bold] wrote:
Anon, you write: [italic]I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them.[/italic] Raising children is not easy. You cannot hope to know what your children will be like, but I'm guessing pedantic, ignorant, ill-informed little morons if you're anything to go by. I'm also guessing you were bullied at school hence your dislike of teachers who did not stop your suffering. Also why 'Anon'? Coward.[/quote] 'Anon' - because people like you are on tags and not locked up. I can hope to know what my children will be like. I hope they are nothing like you.
Gripper wrote:
Anon, you write: I'm 23 and do not have children, but I can assure you that when I do, in the not so distant future, that they will be respectful and disciplined so that the soft touch teachers do not feel burdened with raising them and they can concentrate on just teaching them. Raising children is not easy. You cannot hope to know what your children will be like, but I'm guessing pedantic, ignorant, ill-informed little morons if you're anything to go by. I'm also guessing you were bullied at school hence your dislike of teachers who did not stop your suffering. Also why 'Anon'? Coward.
'Anon' - because people like you are on tags and not locked up. I can hope to know what my children will be like. I hope they are nothing like you.
Posted by: sam, southampton on 5:20pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Not that i disagree with teachers going on strike, but we have had 2 days notice. All this will do is anger parents rather than have their support. I like many other parents work. I have to take a days unpaid leave now, so this is costing me money I can't afford to loose. If teachers want support for their actions then at least give some thought to the parents its affecting.
Not that i disagree with teachers going on strike, but we have had 2 days notice. All this will do is anger parents rather than have their support. I like many other parents work. I have to take a days unpaid leave now, so this is costing me money I can't afford to loose. If teachers want support for their actions then at least give some thought to the parents its affecting.
I am amazed at the number of people here who are making sweeping judgments about all teachers! One union, the NUT, voted for strike action. Of this, only a small number of teachers in my school are actually striking. There are other teaching unions that didn't vote for strike action.
Please, all those who are finding teachers an easy target at the moment. Don't lump us all in together and please don't use this as atypically English excuse to fire off blame to the easy targets.
Yes, teachers get paid quite well after a few years in the job. Is it fair they get a below inflation pay rise? No it isn't. Would those who are hurling abuse at teachers be doing the same if it were nurses or other "front line" public sector workers? I doubt it.
Yes, we are not obligated to go into school during the school holidays but anyone who thinks that we teachers sit at home for those 13 weeks and do sweet FA is misinformed to say the least. Anyone who thinks we start at 8.45 and clock off at 3 pm is also very wrong. Like any career there are pros and cons but please don't assume you know what the job entails unless you have done the job itself.
I find it amazing that so few people actually realise the reality of the class r
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