Fortnightly bin collections ‘could boost recycling’

Daily Echo: Fortnightly bin collections ‘could boost recycling’ Fortnightly bin collections ‘could boost recycling’

A CONTROVERSIAL switch from weekly to fortnightly bin collections would increase recycling rates and reduce costs, according to experts in Southampton.

City residents currently see their household waste taken away every seven days – a system campaigners have fiercely defended.

But an investigation by scientists at the University of Southampton has found that recycling rates can rise by nine per cent in areas with so-called alternate weekly collection (AWC) systems.

The study also found that the cost of collecting rubbish was lower when recyclables and household waste were taken away fortnightly and on alternate weeks. Experts monitored the effects of a switch-over for three months during a trial in Lichfield, Staffordshire.

They examined factors such as the frequency of collection, type of container, household participation and productivity levels.

The experts said along with a boost for recycling, there was “no obvious adverse impacts” on public health or the local environment when the authorities switched to AWC.

But critics have slammed the findings – saying it is clear from anecdotal evidence that fortnightly collections lead to increases in pests. Doretta Cocks, from Chandler’s Ford, founded the Campaign for Weekly Waste Collections in 2004. She said: “Many people contact me about fortnightly bin collections – it affects their quality of life.

I hear horror stories – people get hundreds of maggots in their bins, they get carpets of maggots on their driveways and pavements.”

The findings come just months after Southampton City Council saw its weekly bin rounds saved by an £8m Government windfall. Communities Secretary Eric Pickles handed the city the cash to secure the cherished service for the next five years.

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But Professor Ian Williams, from the university’s Centre for Environmental Sciences, said his findings would be “embarrassing” for the Government.

He said: “This study has clearly shown that the adoption of an AWC scheme positively impacted on recycling rates and household behaviour, with no obvious adverse impacts on public participation, household waste arising, public health or the local environment.

“The findings are embarrassing for Mr Pickles and the Government, as it highlights that their current policies are at odds with the evidence.”

The city council’s environment boss, Councillor Asa Thorpe, said work was being undertaken to increase recycling rates, while sticking with weekly collections.

He said: “It does have an impact on recycling. But we’re introducing glass recycling and there are a number of educational projects we’ll be undertaking to increase recycling.

“Weekly bin collections were a promise we made in our manifesto.

We have listened to people who were saying to us on the doorstep that they would like to keep weekly bin collections.”

Union bosses have also urged the council to stick to the weekly system to protect jobs.

Unison regional organiser Andy Straker said: “It does generally mean job losses – up to about a third because they don’t need the same amount of staff.

“I think most people want a weekly bin collection. The fact is when you switch to fortnightly collections you have got to keep that rubbish for an extra week.

In the summer, whether you like it or not, what’s in that bin is rotting. There’s a health issue whether experts want to admit it or not.”

More than half the local authorities in England and Wales currently operate alternate weekly collections.

In 2003, the then Liberal Democrat-run Southampton City Council tried fortnightly collections of household waste across a quarter of the city’s homes but dropped it a year later after 3,600 residents signed a Daily Echo-backed petition demanding a rethink.

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12:14pm Wed 23 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees?
Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes?
did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection?
or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right?
Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not?
I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children.
for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections.
Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it? loosehead
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12:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Ciaran says...

Fortnightly collections worked brilliantly when I lived in Eastleigh.

I see no reason why Southampton (where I now live) or elsewhere are any different and need special consideration.

Bring it on, I say.
Fortnightly collections worked brilliantly when I lived in Eastleigh. I see no reason why Southampton (where I now live) or elsewhere are any different and need special consideration. Bring it on, I say. Ciaran
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12:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13

freefinker says...

.. it's not just 'scientists at the University of Southampton'.

Every local authority that has adopted alternate fortnightly waste/recycling collections has shown an increase in recycling and decrease in waste.

About time Southampton entered the 21st century in this respect.
.. it's not just 'scientists at the University of Southampton'. Every local authority that has adopted alternate fortnightly waste/recycling collections has shown an increase in recycling and decrease in waste. About time Southampton entered the 21st century in this respect. freefinker
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12:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ju_ju68 says...

I live in Eastleigh we have had fortnightly collections for years, and as far as I can see it works fine! we also have curbside glass, and garden waste( the latter we have to pay an extra fee for, but is well worth it) we also have curbside weekly food waste collections, so this means no smelly dustbins( as there is no need to put any food waste in our normal bin) perhaps if people are worried about bins full of maggots, and encouraging rats they should take a look at how much food they are wasting.It is criminal the amount of food that people throw away.
I live in Eastleigh we have had fortnightly collections for years, and as far as I can see it works fine! we also have curbside glass, and garden waste( the latter we have to pay an extra fee for, but is well worth it) we also have curbside weekly food waste collections, so this means no smelly dustbins( as there is no need to put any food waste in our normal bin) perhaps if people are worried about bins full of maggots, and encouraging rats they should take a look at how much food they are wasting.It is criminal the amount of food that people throw away. ju_ju68
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12:38pm Wed 23 Jan 13

AD07881 says...

I'm from Eastleigh, If my black bin were to be collected every week, there would definitely be less in my recycle bin. Yes, it does encourage me to recycle more, so yes It is a good idea. Can't believe it needed a University to come up with this "idea"!!
I'm from Eastleigh, If my black bin were to be collected every week, there would definitely be less in my recycle bin. Yes, it does encourage me to recycle more, so yes It is a good idea. Can't believe it needed a University to come up with this "idea"!! AD07881
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12:40pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees?
Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes?
did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection?
or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right?
Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not?
I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children.
for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections.
Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about

Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams?

Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you Outside of the Box
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12:47pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Outside of the Box says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
I live in Eastleigh we have had fortnightly collections for years, and as far as I can see it works fine! we also have curbside glass, and garden waste( the latter we have to pay an extra fee for, but is well worth it) we also have curbside weekly food waste collections, so this means no smelly dustbins( as there is no need to put any food waste in our normal bin) perhaps if people are worried about bins full of maggots, and encouraging rats they should take a look at how much food they are wasting.It is criminal the amount of food that people throw away.
I used to live in Eastleigh with fortnightly collections I agree it did work fine the curbside weekly food waste collections, had just started and although I was sceptical at first it worked perfectly, I know may sound quite sad but I monitored the weekly food wasted from household each week and it to be honest a shock, I reduced the amount I cooked for the family witch in turn saved a small fortune at the supermarket, I would fully support the weekly food waste collection and fortnightly collection of everything else, however it won't happen because the last Tory council accepted the bribe from the Tory Government to keep Pickles's baby of weekly bin collections.
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: I live in Eastleigh we have had fortnightly collections for years, and as far as I can see it works fine! we also have curbside glass, and garden waste( the latter we have to pay an extra fee for, but is well worth it) we also have curbside weekly food waste collections, so this means no smelly dustbins( as there is no need to put any food waste in our normal bin) perhaps if people are worried about bins full of maggots, and encouraging rats they should take a look at how much food they are wasting.It is criminal the amount of food that people throw away.[/p][/quote]I used to live in Eastleigh with fortnightly collections I agree it did work fine the curbside weekly food waste collections, had just started and although I was sceptical at first it worked perfectly, I know may sound quite sad but I monitored the weekly food wasted from household each week and it to be honest a shock, I reduced the amount I cooked for the family witch in turn saved a small fortune at the supermarket, I would fully support the weekly food waste collection and fortnightly collection of everything else, however it won't happen because the last Tory council accepted the bribe from the Tory Government to keep Pickles's baby of weekly bin collections. Outside of the Box
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1:51pm Wed 23 Jan 13

southy says...

Have any you listen to Cameron speach about the EU and his offer to give us a vote on the matter if he is returned back to office
Have any you listen to Cameron speach about the EU and his offer to give us a vote on the matter if he is returned back to office southy
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2:41pm Wed 23 Jan 13

southy says...

Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes
Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes southy
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3:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Zeo says...

With Southampton becoming a place full of flats, everyone would just contaminate recycle bins.
With Southampton becoming a place full of flats, everyone would just contaminate recycle bins. Zeo
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3:03pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mickey01 says...

AD07881 wrote:
I'm from Eastleigh, If my black bin were to be collected every week, there would definitely be less in my recycle bin. Yes, it does encourage me to recycle more, so yes It is a good idea. Can't believe it needed a University to come up with this "idea"!!
the trouble is half the households near me dont seem to know how to recycle or cant be bothered to do it and that is what is needed to be addressed if it is going to work and also less packageing would less waste in either bins
[quote][p][bold]AD07881[/bold] wrote: I'm from Eastleigh, If my black bin were to be collected every week, there would definitely be less in my recycle bin. Yes, it does encourage me to recycle more, so yes It is a good idea. Can't believe it needed a University to come up with this "idea"!![/p][/quote]the trouble is half the households near me dont seem to know how to recycle or cant be bothered to do it and that is what is needed to be addressed if it is going to work and also less packageing would less waste in either bins mickey01
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3:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees?
Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes?
did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection?
or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right?
Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not?
I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children.
for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections.
Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about

Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams?

Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you?
it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month.
I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats.
Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly.
With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste.
Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets.
did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day?
I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping.
If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned?
I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council?
Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this? loosehead
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3:26pm Wed 23 Jan 13

AD07881 says...

mickey01 wrote:
AD07881 wrote:
I'm from Eastleigh, If my black bin were to be collected every week, there would definitely be less in my recycle bin. Yes, it does encourage me to recycle more, so yes It is a good idea. Can't believe it needed a University to come up with this "idea"!!
the trouble is half the households near me dont seem to know how to recycle or cant be bothered to do it and that is what is needed to be addressed if it is going to work and also less packageing would less waste in either bins
If I'm honest, I couldn't be bothered to recycle either. I do now, because my black bin will be full way before collection day otherwise. There'll be loads of people like me who wouldn't normally bother unless they needed to.

So make them need to I say.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD07881[/bold] wrote: I'm from Eastleigh, If my black bin were to be collected every week, there would definitely be less in my recycle bin. Yes, it does encourage me to recycle more, so yes It is a good idea. Can't believe it needed a University to come up with this "idea"!![/p][/quote]the trouble is half the households near me dont seem to know how to recycle or cant be bothered to do it and that is what is needed to be addressed if it is going to work and also less packageing would less waste in either bins[/p][/quote]If I'm honest, I couldn't be bothered to recycle either. I do now, because my black bin will be full way before collection day otherwise. There'll be loads of people like me who wouldn't normally bother unless they needed to. So make them need to I say. AD07881
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3:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Vix1 says...

We had fortnightly collections at our previous house, but despite keeping the bin clean, during summer months we always had maggots and flies and in recent years, RATS!! Having now moved to Southampton with weekly bin collections, we have been very appreciative of this service. It would be awful to go back to fortnightly collections!! Incidentally, it made no difference to our recycling level, sounds like an excuse to me!!!
We had fortnightly collections at our previous house, but despite keeping the bin clean, during summer months we always had maggots and flies and in recent years, RATS!! Having now moved to Southampton with weekly bin collections, we have been very appreciative of this service. It would be awful to go back to fortnightly collections!! Incidentally, it made no difference to our recycling level, sounds like an excuse to me!!! Vix1
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3:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

davel_cats says...

In Eastleigh, we have had fortnightly bin collections for over ten years. At my house, we have NEVER had maggots in our bins. Firstly: Buy only the food you need. Any left-overs should be put in the fridge and eatne later. Not enough for a whole meal? Simples: heat up yesterday's dinner for one person and the day before's dinner for someone else. Or heat it all up and set it out "cafeteria-style" and let people choose: my kids loved to play "the cafeteria game." Secondly: anything messy should be wrapped tightly in plastic (re-use bags or other packaging). Thirdly: crush / condense / press down your rubbish before putting it into the bin so that less space is used in the bin. We had two teen-agers living at home and only had the standard size bins, which never overflowed. It is all about using a bit of self-control.
In Eastleigh, we have had fortnightly bin collections for over ten years. At my house, we have NEVER had maggots in our bins. Firstly: Buy only the food you need. Any left-overs should be put in the fridge and eatne later. Not enough for a whole meal? Simples: heat up yesterday's dinner for one person and the day before's dinner for someone else. Or heat it all up and set it out "cafeteria-style" and let people choose: my kids loved to play "the cafeteria game." Secondly: anything messy should be wrapped tightly in plastic (re-use bags or other packaging). Thirdly: crush / condense / press down your rubbish before putting it into the bin so that less space is used in the bin. We had two teen-agers living at home and only had the standard size bins, which never overflowed. It is all about using a bit of self-control. davel_cats
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3:38pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bazzeroz says...

I only put my bins out every 2 weeks now but as we have had a 'little bit of snow' I will have to wait 3 weeks for one to be emptied and 4 weeks for the other. If I managed to put them out why wasn't they emptied? Oh yeah, a little bit of snow.
I only put my bins out every 2 weeks now but as we have had a 'little bit of snow' I will have to wait 3 weeks for one to be emptied and 4 weeks for the other. If I managed to put them out why wasn't they emptied? Oh yeah, a little bit of snow. bazzeroz
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3:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes
.. yea, right. But things move on. Railways replaced canals; the internal combustion engine replaced the horse and a lot of railways. In the end you have to do what's right, NOT what keeps unneeded and uneconomic jobs.

And actually, there is no need to lose any jobs with the introduction of fortnightly waste collections.

Because if this council was really serious about increasing their recycling rate those redeployed from waste collections would be on the kerbside glass collections and other initiatives, such as collecting compostable kitchen waste, etc.

The trouble with you Trotskyists is you are so brainwashed by your own mantras you are unable to actually look at the real world with any imagination whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes[/p][/quote].. yea, right. But things move on. Railways replaced canals; the internal combustion engine replaced the horse and a lot of railways. In the end you have to do what's right, NOT what keeps unneeded and uneconomic jobs. And actually, there is no need to lose any jobs with the introduction of fortnightly waste collections. Because if this council was really serious about increasing their recycling rate those redeployed from waste collections would be on the kerbside glass collections and other initiatives, such as collecting compostable kitchen waste, etc. The trouble with you Trotskyists is you are so brainwashed by your own mantras you are unable to actually look at the real world with any imagination whatsoever. freefinker
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4:04pm Wed 23 Jan 13

ju_ju68 says...

davel_cats wrote:
In Eastleigh, we have had fortnightly bin collections for over ten years. At my house, we have NEVER had maggots in our bins. Firstly: Buy only the food you need. Any left-overs should be put in the fridge and eatne later. Not enough for a whole meal? Simples: heat up yesterday's dinner for one person and the day before's dinner for someone else. Or heat it all up and set it out "cafeteria-styl
e" and let people choose: my kids loved to play "the cafeteria game." Secondly: anything messy should be wrapped tightly in plastic (re-use bags or other packaging). Thirdly: crush / condense / press down your rubbish before putting it into the bin so that less space is used in the bin. We had two teen-agers living at home and only had the standard size bins, which never overflowed. It is all about using a bit of self-control.
I could not agree more!!! self control and not assuming that just because you pay council tax, you can just overfill your bins to bursting point! we live in such a wasteful world!
[quote][p][bold]davel_cats[/bold] wrote: In Eastleigh, we have had fortnightly bin collections for over ten years. At my house, we have NEVER had maggots in our bins. Firstly: Buy only the food you need. Any left-overs should be put in the fridge and eatne later. Not enough for a whole meal? Simples: heat up yesterday's dinner for one person and the day before's dinner for someone else. Or heat it all up and set it out "cafeteria-styl e" and let people choose: my kids loved to play "the cafeteria game." Secondly: anything messy should be wrapped tightly in plastic (re-use bags or other packaging). Thirdly: crush / condense / press down your rubbish before putting it into the bin so that less space is used in the bin. We had two teen-agers living at home and only had the standard size bins, which never overflowed. It is all about using a bit of self-control.[/p][/quote]I could not agree more!!! self control and not assuming that just because you pay council tax, you can just overfill your bins to bursting point! we live in such a wasteful world! ju_ju68
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4:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees?
Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes?
did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection?
or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right?
Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not?
I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children.
for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections.
Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about

Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams?

Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you?
it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month.
I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats.
Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly.
With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste.
Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets.
did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day?
I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping.
If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned?
I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council?
Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong Outside of the Box
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4:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes
.. yea, right. But things move on. Railways replaced canals; the internal combustion engine replaced the horse and a lot of railways. In the end you have to do what's right, NOT what keeps unneeded and uneconomic jobs.

And actually, there is no need to lose any jobs with the introduction of fortnightly waste collections.

Because if this council was really serious about increasing their recycling rate those redeployed from waste collections would be on the kerbside glass collections and other initiatives, such as collecting compostable kitchen waste, etc.

The trouble with you Trotskyists is you are so brainwashed by your own mantras you are unable to actually look at the real world with any imagination whatsoever.
Free you would not know a Trotskyist if one was to bite you on the butt.
Take a look at the Socialist Party Great Britian or the WSWS (they are nothing to do with the Socialist Party or the CWI) these are closer to real Trotskyist than I am or the groups that I belong to, and being called a trotsky is a complent to call any body, being one shows that you carry about the majority of people and not the elite few.
Yes things do move on, but they is moving on for the better for the majority or theres moving on for the better of the few like you seem to support.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes[/p][/quote].. yea, right. But things move on. Railways replaced canals; the internal combustion engine replaced the horse and a lot of railways. In the end you have to do what's right, NOT what keeps unneeded and uneconomic jobs. And actually, there is no need to lose any jobs with the introduction of fortnightly waste collections. Because if this council was really serious about increasing their recycling rate those redeployed from waste collections would be on the kerbside glass collections and other initiatives, such as collecting compostable kitchen waste, etc. The trouble with you Trotskyists is you are so brainwashed by your own mantras you are unable to actually look at the real world with any imagination whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Free you would not know a Trotskyist if one was to bite you on the butt. Take a look at the Socialist Party Great Britian or the WSWS (they are nothing to do with the Socialist Party or the CWI) these are closer to real Trotskyist than I am or the groups that I belong to, and being called a trotsky is a complent to call any body, being one shows that you carry about the majority of people and not the elite few. Yes things do move on, but they is moving on for the better for the majority or theres moving on for the better of the few like you seem to support. southy
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4:49pm Wed 23 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes
.. yea, right. But things move on. Railways replaced canals; the internal combustion engine replaced the horse and a lot of railways. In the end you have to do what's right, NOT what keeps unneeded and uneconomic jobs.

And actually, there is no need to lose any jobs with the introduction of fortnightly waste collections.

Because if this council was really serious about increasing their recycling rate those redeployed from waste collections would be on the kerbside glass collections and other initiatives, such as collecting compostable kitchen waste, etc.

The trouble with you Trotskyists is you are so brainwashed by your own mantras you are unable to actually look at the real world with any imagination whatsoever.
Free you would not know a Trotskyist if one was to bite you on the butt.
Take a look at the Socialist Party Great Britian or the WSWS (they are nothing to do with the Socialist Party or the CWI) these are closer to real Trotskyist than I am or the groups that I belong to, and being called a trotsky is a complent to call any body, being one shows that you carry about the majority of people and not the elite few.
Yes things do move on, but they is moving on for the better for the majority or theres moving on for the better of the few like you seem to support.
.. splitters!!! Life of Brian sums you lot up so accurately.

You're all the same, and you know it. You just don't like each other.

The world moves on because it moves on. Only in your brainwashed mind is there moving on 'for the majority or for the few'.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Remember every single job lose will effect the local economy and how much will be paid out in benefits and reduction in funds though taxes[/p][/quote].. yea, right. But things move on. Railways replaced canals; the internal combustion engine replaced the horse and a lot of railways. In the end you have to do what's right, NOT what keeps unneeded and uneconomic jobs. And actually, there is no need to lose any jobs with the introduction of fortnightly waste collections. Because if this council was really serious about increasing their recycling rate those redeployed from waste collections would be on the kerbside glass collections and other initiatives, such as collecting compostable kitchen waste, etc. The trouble with you Trotskyists is you are so brainwashed by your own mantras you are unable to actually look at the real world with any imagination whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Free you would not know a Trotskyist if one was to bite you on the butt. Take a look at the Socialist Party Great Britian or the WSWS (they are nothing to do with the Socialist Party or the CWI) these are closer to real Trotskyist than I am or the groups that I belong to, and being called a trotsky is a complent to call any body, being one shows that you carry about the majority of people and not the elite few. Yes things do move on, but they is moving on for the better for the majority or theres moving on for the better of the few like you seem to support.[/p][/quote].. splitters!!! Life of Brian sums you lot up so accurately. You're all the same, and you know it. You just don't like each other. The world moves on because it moves on. Only in your brainwashed mind is there moving on 'for the majority or for the few'. freefinker
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5:31pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Vonnie says...

If the Council wants to encourage more recycling then, as other councils have done, it needs to provide the total wherewithall.
Recycling bins are fine, but one cannot put glass in them, and not all of us have transport or the physical ability to carry a bag of bottles and jars on a bus to the nearest glass bin.
Southampton needs many more of these bins. If necessary at the end of each group of streets, or better still, a special monthly house to house collection.
I phoned the council last week and the person on the end of the line could not tell me where my nearest one was! It could not provide a list of sites, either.
Additionally, there is also a lot of confusion as to what can or can't be put into Southampton's recycling bins. ie. certain plastics are non-recyclable, and confusion is of the reasons why some people do not bother to recycle.
Someone will correct me, I am sure, but there is also the question of quotas at recycling centres, and lateness of the arrival of waste lorries at them.
I am under the impression that if the quota has been exceeded for the day/week/month, or the container arrives too late in the day, then containers are turned away and landfill sites have to be used. Right or wrong??
If the Council wants to encourage more recycling then, as other councils have done, it needs to provide the total wherewithall. Recycling bins are fine, but one cannot put glass in them, and not all of us have transport or the physical ability to carry a bag of bottles and jars on a bus to the nearest glass bin. Southampton needs many more of these bins. If necessary at the end of each group of streets, or better still, a special monthly house to house collection. I phoned the council last week and the person on the end of the line could not tell me where my nearest one was! It could not provide a list of sites, either. Additionally, there is also a lot of confusion as to what can or can't be put into Southampton's recycling bins. ie. certain plastics are non-recyclable, and confusion is of the reasons why some people do not bother to recycle. Someone will correct me, I am sure, but there is also the question of quotas at recycling centres, and lateness of the arrival of waste lorries at them. I am under the impression that if the quota has been exceeded for the day/week/month, or the container arrives too late in the day, then containers are turned away and landfill sites have to be used. Right or wrong?? Vonnie
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7:05pm Wed 23 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees?
Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes?
did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection?
or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right?
Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not?
I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children.
for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections.
Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about

Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams?

Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you?
it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month.
I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats.
Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly.
With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste.
Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets.
did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day?
I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping.
If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned?
I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council?
Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then?
Lost jobs yes?
Bins overflowing yes?
Rats breeding grounds every where yes?
Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he?
I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh?
To compare the two areas is a joke.
If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong[/p][/quote]So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them loosehead
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7:27pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mickey01 says...

Vonnie wrote:
If the Council wants to encourage more recycling then, as other councils have done, it needs to provide the total wherewithall.
Recycling bins are fine, but one cannot put glass in them, and not all of us have transport or the physical ability to carry a bag of bottles and jars on a bus to the nearest glass bin.
Southampton needs many more of these bins. If necessary at the end of each group of streets, or better still, a special monthly house to house collection.
I phoned the council last week and the person on the end of the line could not tell me where my nearest one was! It could not provide a list of sites, either.
Additionally, there is also a lot of confusion as to what can or can't be put into Southampton's recycling bins. ie. certain plastics are non-recyclable, and confusion is of the reasons why some people do not bother to recycle.
Someone will correct me, I am sure, but there is also the question of quotas at recycling centres, and lateness of the arrival of waste lorries at them.
I am under the impression that if the quota has been exceeded for the day/week/month, or the container arrives too late in the day, then containers are turned away and landfill sites have to be used. Right or wrong??
it seems that not all of us have the transport or ability to take it somewhere but have the ability to get it home in the first place so that does not stack up , it is really a case that alot of people are too lazy
[quote][p][bold]Vonnie[/bold] wrote: If the Council wants to encourage more recycling then, as other councils have done, it needs to provide the total wherewithall. Recycling bins are fine, but one cannot put glass in them, and not all of us have transport or the physical ability to carry a bag of bottles and jars on a bus to the nearest glass bin. Southampton needs many more of these bins. If necessary at the end of each group of streets, or better still, a special monthly house to house collection. I phoned the council last week and the person on the end of the line could not tell me where my nearest one was! It could not provide a list of sites, either. Additionally, there is also a lot of confusion as to what can or can't be put into Southampton's recycling bins. ie. certain plastics are non-recyclable, and confusion is of the reasons why some people do not bother to recycle. Someone will correct me, I am sure, but there is also the question of quotas at recycling centres, and lateness of the arrival of waste lorries at them. I am under the impression that if the quota has been exceeded for the day/week/month, or the container arrives too late in the day, then containers are turned away and landfill sites have to be used. Right or wrong??[/p][/quote]it seems that not all of us have the transport or ability to take it somewhere but have the ability to get it home in the first place so that does not stack up , it is really a case that alot of people are too lazy mickey01
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7:46pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them
I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong[/p][/quote]So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them[/p][/quote]I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere..... thinklikealocal
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7:50pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

Vonnie wrote:
If the Council wants to encourage more recycling then, as other councils have done, it needs to provide the total wherewithall. Recycling bins are fine, but one cannot put glass in them, and not all of us have transport or the physical ability to carry a bag of bottles and jars on a bus to the nearest glass bin. Southampton needs many more of these bins. If necessary at the end of each group of streets, or better still, a special monthly house to house collection. I phoned the council last week and the person on the end of the line could not tell me where my nearest one was! It could not provide a list of sites, either. Additionally, there is also a lot of confusion as to what can or can't be put into Southampton's recycling bins. ie. certain plastics are non-recyclable, and confusion is of the reasons why some people do not bother to recycle. Someone will correct me, I am sure, but there is also the question of quotas at recycling centres, and lateness of the arrival of waste lorries at them. I am under the impression that if the quota has been exceeded for the day/week/month, or the container arrives too late in the day, then containers are turned away and landfill sites have to be used. Right or wrong??
Agree with a lot of points here, but, they can all be overcome with the right infrastructure, information and education. That's what the £8m grant is for, shame to 'waste' it and not grasp the opportunity to convert to fortnightly collections. The time has never been better.
[quote][p][bold]Vonnie[/bold] wrote: If the Council wants to encourage more recycling then, as other councils have done, it needs to provide the total wherewithall. Recycling bins are fine, but one cannot put glass in them, and not all of us have transport or the physical ability to carry a bag of bottles and jars on a bus to the nearest glass bin. Southampton needs many more of these bins. If necessary at the end of each group of streets, or better still, a special monthly house to house collection. I phoned the council last week and the person on the end of the line could not tell me where my nearest one was! It could not provide a list of sites, either. Additionally, there is also a lot of confusion as to what can or can't be put into Southampton's recycling bins. ie. certain plastics are non-recyclable, and confusion is of the reasons why some people do not bother to recycle. Someone will correct me, I am sure, but there is also the question of quotas at recycling centres, and lateness of the arrival of waste lorries at them. I am under the impression that if the quota has been exceeded for the day/week/month, or the container arrives too late in the day, then containers are turned away and landfill sites have to be used. Right or wrong??[/p][/quote]Agree with a lot of points here, but, they can all be overcome with the right infrastructure, information and education. That's what the £8m grant is for, shame to 'waste' it and not grasp the opportunity to convert to fortnightly collections. The time has never been better. thinklikealocal
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8:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Surely household waste and waste for recycling are two different things and go in different bins.

The suggestion is that household waste is collected each week, which is what is essential, but bins containing rubbish for recycling should be collected on a fortnightly basis.

That works quite well, and households would soon get used to it and know what goes in which bin.

If it saves money, then the money saved could help preserve a service that is under threat.
Surely household waste and waste for recycling are two different things and go in different bins. The suggestion is that household waste is collected each week, which is what is essential, but bins containing rubbish for recycling should be collected on a fortnightly basis. That works quite well, and households would soon get used to it and know what goes in which bin. If it saves money, then the money saved could help preserve a service that is under threat. Linesman
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8:44pm Wed 23 Jan 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them
I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....
So Eastleigh has huge council estates then?
Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you.
As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self.
I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough.
try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it?
Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong[/p][/quote]So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them[/p][/quote]I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....[/p][/quote]So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk loosehead
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8:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

Linesman wrote:
Surely household waste and waste for recycling are two different things and go in different bins. The suggestion is that household waste is collected each week, which is what is essential, but bins containing rubbish for recycling should be collected on a fortnightly basis. That works quite well, and households would soon get used to it and know what goes in which bin. If it saves money, then the money saved could help preserve a service that is under threat.
Sounds good in theory, but, as long as you have weekly collections of any element of household waste it discourages recycling. If I didn't recycle properly, my domestic bin capacity would not be sufficient for 2 weeks.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Surely household waste and waste for recycling are two different things and go in different bins. The suggestion is that household waste is collected each week, which is what is essential, but bins containing rubbish for recycling should be collected on a fortnightly basis. That works quite well, and households would soon get used to it and know what goes in which bin. If it saves money, then the money saved could help preserve a service that is under threat.[/p][/quote]Sounds good in theory, but, as long as you have weekly collections of any element of household waste it discourages recycling. If I didn't recycle properly, my domestic bin capacity would not be sufficient for 2 weeks. thinklikealocal
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9:05pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them
I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....
So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk
Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong[/p][/quote]So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them[/p][/quote]I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....[/p][/quote]So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk[/p][/quote]Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted. thinklikealocal
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3:50am Thu 24 Jan 13

MiddleOfRoad says...

I live where a smaller household bin (2/3 size) is emptied every week and the larger Green Bin (for garden waste, clippings etc) and the Yellow Bin (cardboard, papers, plastics etc) are emptied on alternate fortnights. This means there are 2 bins out each week and the system works very well.
Holding off the smaller household waste bin to a fotnightly basis would create significant problems for the majority of households in my area.
This system keeps it simple and most people comply with the various waste requirements though there will always be the boneheads and those who just do not and will never understand how it works.
In short it beats all of the plastic bag kerbside systems that amazingly are still in use in some areas.
I live where a smaller household bin (2/3 size) is emptied every week and the larger Green Bin (for garden waste, clippings etc) and the Yellow Bin (cardboard, papers, plastics etc) are emptied on alternate fortnights. This means there are 2 bins out each week and the system works very well. Holding off the smaller household waste bin to a fotnightly basis would create significant problems for the majority of households in my area. This system keeps it simple and most people comply with the various waste requirements though there will always be the boneheads and those who just do not and will never understand how it works. In short it beats all of the plastic bag kerbside systems that amazingly are still in use in some areas. MiddleOfRoad
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6:46am Thu 24 Jan 13

Vix1 says...

May I point out to the little miss/mr perfects on here, that while you may have sterile, maggot free bins; it doesn't make the rest of us wasteful with food or irresponsible with disposing of our rubbish!!! How patronising can you be??? Some areas are more prone to rats etc and it has nothing to do with population density! You need to remove your heads from your butts for 5 minutes! Really annoyed at people who judge others! Most of us are responsible with our food useage and our rubbish disposal, let's face it, no-one can afford to waste food now! But is it our fault when shops put layer upon layer of non recyclable packaging on the stuff???!!! GRRRRRRRRR!!!
May I point out to the little miss/mr perfects on here, that while you may have sterile, maggot free bins; it doesn't make the rest of us wasteful with food or irresponsible with disposing of our rubbish!!! How patronising can you be??? Some areas are more prone to rats etc and it has nothing to do with population density! You need to remove your heads from your butts for 5 minutes! Really annoyed at people who judge others! Most of us are responsible with our food useage and our rubbish disposal, let's face it, no-one can afford to waste food now! But is it our fault when shops put layer upon layer of non recyclable packaging on the stuff???!!! GRRRRRRRRR!!! Vix1
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7:51am Thu 24 Jan 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them
I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....
So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk
Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted.
Funny that my brothers lived in Eastleigh one in the Quadrangle which was part council part private the other lived in Darwin Road.
Please tell me where there's a council estate the size of say Weston?
Boyat wood as far as I know was private so come please tell me where these huge council estates are?
Oh! & I've drunk in the Arrow public house & went to my brothers funeral in Eastleigh that really makes me a Yokel doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong[/p][/quote]So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them[/p][/quote]I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....[/p][/quote]So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk[/p][/quote]Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted.[/p][/quote]Funny that my brothers lived in Eastleigh one in the Quadrangle which was part council part private the other lived in Darwin Road. Please tell me where there's a council estate the size of say Weston? Boyat wood as far as I know was private so come please tell me where these huge council estates are? Oh! & I've drunk in the Arrow public house & went to my brothers funeral in Eastleigh that really makes me a Yokel doesn't it? loosehead
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7:58am Thu 24 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Vix1 wrote:
May I point out to the little miss/mr perfects on here, that while you may have sterile, maggot free bins; it doesn't make the rest of us wasteful with food or irresponsible with disposing of our rubbish!!! How patronising can you be??? Some areas are more prone to rats etc and it has nothing to do with population density! You need to remove your heads from your butts for 5 minutes! Really annoyed at people who judge others! Most of us are responsible with our food useage and our rubbish disposal, let's face it, no-one can afford to waste food now! But is it our fault when shops put layer upon layer of non recyclable packaging on the stuff???!!! GRRRRRRRRR!!!
I have tried to point this out but for some reason Labour supporters on here seem to think you only need Fortnightly collections, that over night you'll be able to reduce your waste so you only need fortnightly collections?
there are those that will never recycle or don't give a **** how are they going to change their attitude?
then there's people like you what are they going tom give you an extra bin?
this council now has the funds to keep weekly collections thanks to a government grant first applied for by the Tory council so why does Councillor Williams have to get his friends to come out with this?
is he still considering implementing fortnightly collections?
[quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: May I point out to the little miss/mr perfects on here, that while you may have sterile, maggot free bins; it doesn't make the rest of us wasteful with food or irresponsible with disposing of our rubbish!!! How patronising can you be??? Some areas are more prone to rats etc and it has nothing to do with population density! You need to remove your heads from your butts for 5 minutes! Really annoyed at people who judge others! Most of us are responsible with our food useage and our rubbish disposal, let's face it, no-one can afford to waste food now! But is it our fault when shops put layer upon layer of non recyclable packaging on the stuff???!!! GRRRRRRRRR!!![/p][/quote]I have tried to point this out but for some reason Labour supporters on here seem to think you only need Fortnightly collections, that over night you'll be able to reduce your waste so you only need fortnightly collections? there are those that will never recycle or don't give a **** how are they going to change their attitude? then there's people like you what are they going tom give you an extra bin? this council now has the funds to keep weekly collections thanks to a government grant first applied for by the Tory council so why does Councillor Williams have to get his friends to come out with this? is he still considering implementing fortnightly collections? loosehead
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12:18pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Bevois Valley Resident says...

I'd welcome switching to fortnightly collections. It would save money which could be spent on other, more vital, services.
I'd welcome switching to fortnightly collections. It would save money which could be spent on other, more vital, services. Bevois Valley Resident
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1:40pm Thu 24 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Bevois Valley Resident wrote:
I'd welcome switching to fortnightly collections. It would save money which could be spent on other, more vital, services.
Yeah like paying for one of Williams mates to advise him?
But your missing the point we have a grant so securing all the refuse workers jobs thanks to the Tories who originally applied for the grant & Labour subsequently increased so the unions took out political strikes to rid the city of a tory council but it now comes to the front that it was those very Tories who've saved their members jobs so were the Unions right to take the political action they did?
[quote][p][bold]Bevois Valley Resident[/bold] wrote: I'd welcome switching to fortnightly collections. It would save money which could be spent on other, more vital, services.[/p][/quote]Yeah like paying for one of Williams mates to advise him? But your missing the point we have a grant so securing all the refuse workers jobs thanks to the Tories who originally applied for the grant & Labour subsequently increased so the unions took out political strikes to rid the city of a tory council but it now comes to the front that it was those very Tories who've saved their members jobs so were the Unions right to take the political action they did? loosehead
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6:19pm Thu 24 Jan 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them
I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....
So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk
Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted.
Funny that my brothers lived in Eastleigh one in the Quadrangle which was part council part private the other lived in Darwin Road. Please tell me where there's a council estate the size of say Weston? Boyat wood as far as I know was private so come please tell me where these huge council estates are? Oh! & I've drunk in the Arrow public house & went to my brothers funeral in Eastleigh that really makes me a Yokel doesn't it?
Bishopstoke, for starters. But what is your point? Any LA with a large council estate cannot have two weekly bin collections? Ridiculous as usual.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong[/p][/quote]So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them[/p][/quote]I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....[/p][/quote]So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk[/p][/quote]Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted.[/p][/quote]Funny that my brothers lived in Eastleigh one in the Quadrangle which was part council part private the other lived in Darwin Road. Please tell me where there's a council estate the size of say Weston? Boyat wood as far as I know was private so come please tell me where these huge council estates are? Oh! & I've drunk in the Arrow public house & went to my brothers funeral in Eastleigh that really makes me a Yokel doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Bishopstoke, for starters. But what is your point? Any LA with a large council estate cannot have two weekly bin collections? Ridiculous as usual. thinklikealocal
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8:43pm Thu 24 Jan 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?
By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you
You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?
It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong
So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them
I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....
So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk
Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted.
Funny that my brothers lived in Eastleigh one in the Quadrangle which was part council part private the other lived in Darwin Road. Please tell me where there's a council estate the size of say Weston? Boyat wood as far as I know was private so come please tell me where these huge council estates are? Oh! & I've drunk in the Arrow public house & went to my brothers funeral in Eastleigh that really makes me a Yokel doesn't it?
Bishopstoke, for starters. But what is your point? Any LA with a large council estate cannot have two weekly bin collections? Ridiculous as usual.
Bishopstokes all council?
Are you having a laugh? are you even trying to compare that area with the likes of Millbrook,Weston,Tho
rnhill & Hightown?
You don't know when your well off do you?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? Did these so called scientists go out around the city when we had the political strikes? did they see the mountains of rubbish with only a weeks missing collection? or are they doing a favour for Williams & trying to prove him right? Let's get it straight in a social world we're suppose to look out for the weak & the not so fortunate well they come under the people who need weekly collections now is this a socialist council or not? I for one would prefer setting a collection date say once a month & only being charged for that one collection but that system would hammer large families & families with young children. for the sake of those people NO we don't want fortnightly collections. Please answer me this how many recycle bins are being used to dump non recyclable waste & what's being done to stop it?[/p][/quote]By writing this ''Is this the same University that Williams sits on committees? a very open ended question, By using the surname only you've been very clever in hiding who you're talking about Are you questioning the independence of the findings by Professor Ian Williams or are suggesting that the Williams who sits on many committee's is the leader of SCC, Cllr Richard Williams? Come on loosehead, You're normally not so coy, I expected better from you[/p][/quote]You know I mean Cllr Williams don't you? it wouldn't bother me having monthly collections as I compost waste plus I recycle so my bin isn't even filled in a month. I just know from when I did leafletting around Lordshill & Millbrook estate to have fortnightly collections will cause a health problem & a breeding ground for Rats. Even with recycle bins they don't use it properly. With weekly collections they still put out black bags filled with waste. Unless you can fine people for not recycling & find a way to accommodate large families you'll end up with rubbish on the streets. did you walk around these areas in the strikes? have you walked around these areas lately especially near to collection day? I can only see fortnightly collections leading to an increase in fly tipping. If I was to take my waste to the depot & was only charged for it & it wasn't charged through my council tax fine I'm all for that but what about those people who I've already mentioned? I can only see this as a PR job for Cllr Williams as it was him who wanted this & wasn't him who's taken on a Uni Scientist as an advisor to the council? Was it the same Uni that's come out with this?[/p][/quote]It doesn't really matter but I knew you meant Richard Williams,,,,however calling into question the findings of Ian Williams is a bit much,,,this research will embarrass only one person and that's Eric Pickles who bribed local authorities with cash to keep weekly bin collections,,,his rationale was that weekly collections would be better for the environment,,,which by the research findings has been proved wrong[/p][/quote]So Eric pickles is wrong? so all those refuse workers who would have lost their jobs have to be thankful to him being wrong then? Lost jobs yes? Bins overflowing yes? Rats breeding grounds every where yes? Oh! he got it so wrong didn't he? I'd like to know exactly where a council housing estate the size of Millbrook is in Eastleigh? To compare the two areas is a joke. If this Labour joke council want fortnightly collections I want a reduction on my council tax as I'll be getting less for them[/p][/quote]I have never had a rat and maggots only once in 12 years of two weekly collections in Eastleigh. Eastleigh has large areas of dense housing including many streets of terraced houses with little or no storage out front ( another often cited reason for not recycling). When talking money and lost jobs, you do realise that Councils have to pay for every ounce of domestic rubbish it sends to landfill? Pickles money won't cover that! The money saved on that could reduce cuts and job losses elsewhere.....[/p][/quote]So Eastleigh has huge council estates then? Sorry many will do their best to recycle but let me do a test for you. As you work for the council find out what days refuse collections are say in Millbrook Green Park Estate go along the day before & check on the wastev put by the front doors or go out with the Refuse Collectors & see for your self. I'm from a Council house back ground & things have changed with people now who just can't be bothered or won't sort out their waste & there's those who one bin just isn't enough. try looking at the bin area in the flats in Millbrook or any other area like it? Unless some form of punishment/deterrent is put into place then Fortnightly collections in this city will be a health risk[/p][/quote]Look, are you some kind of yokel who never leaves the 'district' you live in? Yes! Eastleigh does have large Council estates! In any event, that's not relevant. How backward thinking of you to suggest that change and progress should not be made because the populace cannot cope. Of course there will always be those who are hard to 'convince', for whatever reason. But what about the vast majority of city households who will manage admirably? Education, infrastructure, information, enforcement, all necessary for success and the money is there to do it. Get your head out of your ar@e and stop being so narrow sighted.[/p][/quote]Funny that my brothers lived in Eastleigh one in the Quadrangle which was part council part private the other lived in Darwin Road. Please tell me where there's a council estate the size of say Weston? Boyat wood as far as I know was private so come please tell me where these huge council estates are? Oh! & I've drunk in the Arrow public house & went to my brothers funeral in Eastleigh that really makes me a Yokel doesn't it?[/p][/quote]Bishopstoke, for starters. But what is your point? Any LA with a large council estate cannot have two weekly bin collections? Ridiculous as usual.[/p][/quote]Bishopstokes all council? Are you having a laugh? are you even trying to compare that area with the likes of Millbrook,Weston,Tho rnhill & Hightown? You don't know when your well off do you? loosehead
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