Boorley Green development decision slammed by Eastleigh by-election candidates

Huge development decision slammed by MP candidates

Protesters march against the Boorley Green development

The plans for Boorley Green

Maria Hutchings

John O'Farrell

Diane James

Keith House

First published in Environment
Last updated
Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

EASTLEIGH by-election candidates have slammed the decision to allow 1,400 new homes to be built on countryside in the constituency.

Last night councillors voted through the proposals that would see the massive development built on land at Boorley Green near Botley.

Despite last ditch pleas from residents who said the development would “tear the community apart” Eastleigh Borough councillors gave the green light to the controversial scheme.

But the move has been condemned by candidates in the upcoming by-election.

Conservative hopeful, Maria Hutchings, said: “I've consistently campaigned against inappropriate development in Eastleigh.“Eastleigh Lib Dems have ridden roughshod over local resident's concerns by voting for part of their wider plan to build 5,000 houses on green spaces - despite their campaign promising to protect green spaces.

“The Lib Dems must now come clean about the reality of their plans to the people of Eastleigh”

Labour candidate John O'Farrell said: "This development is the worst of both worlds.

"The council have failed to take seriously the concerns of local people and the loss of green spaces, and also failed to address the lack of affordable housing.

"While Tory chairman Grant Shapps and Lib Dem Leader Nick Clegg carry on with their phoney war of words, thousands of young people in Eastleigh can't take their first step on the housing ladder."

UKIP candidate Diane James added: “The sites selected by Eastleigh Borough Council are seriously flawed in terms of choice.

“They are completely inappropriate in terms of local infrastructure and with 50 per cent of sites being greenfield they mean the loss of much cherished community's and leisure facilities.

But Eastleigh Borough Council's Lib Dem leaders said that they had “saved scores of green spaces in the borough” by pressing ahead with the plans.

Council leader Keith House said: “The Conservatives say they are in favour of green spaces but their by-election candidate stays silent, the neighbouring MP supports 10,000 new homes, the Conservative Planning Minister, Nick Boles instructs us to concrete over open land and their county council spends money on itself rather than much-needed traffic improvements in Eastleigh.

“By contrast Liberal Democrats take the responsible action on development, ensuring future generations can afford to live in Eastleigh while protecting green spaces across the borough from the threat of Tory in-fill.”

Members of the council's planning committee last night voted in favour of the Boorley Green development, which will also include a new primary school, shops plus sewage and road improvements.

The decision was made at around 12.45am this morning, despite hundreds of residents packing out the meeting at Kings Community Church in Hedge End to voice their objections.

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1:04pm Tue 19 Feb 13

timothyvince says...

Please ask the Independent Candidate Danny Stupple for his insights on this important issue. Danny is the most qualified of all the candidates in the By Election on this subject. The danger of gathering quotes from posturing politicians straight-jacketed by their political paymasters is that you cannot rely on them to truly represent Eastleigh in Parliament - whatever they might say in an election campaign.
Please ask the Independent Candidate Danny Stupple for his insights on this important issue. Danny is the most qualified of all the candidates in the By Election on this subject. The danger of gathering quotes from posturing politicians straight-jacketed by their political paymasters is that you cannot rely on them to truly represent Eastleigh in Parliament - whatever they might say in an election campaign. timothyvince
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2:00pm Tue 19 Feb 13

sungie1$ says...

HOUSES' ON YOUR DOORSTEP?
Why? Mass uncontrolled immigration ?IS a direct result of our membership of th e E. U. the Tories, Labour , and Lib dems 'Have No ,control ,over ,Housing or Jobs'. or How our country is run? They must obey Their European Masters. who make the rules? The British people have been sold down the River,by these three parties Who now want Your Votes'? Its' Time For A Change of Direction ? Time ,You Had Your Say ? IF You Want A Referendum on Europe? U. K. I. P. is The Way. Dont Be Taken For Granted???.. Have an Enjoyable Day.
HOUSES' ON YOUR DOORSTEP? Why? Mass uncontrolled immigration ?IS a direct result of our membership of th e E. U. the Tories, Labour , and Lib dems 'Have No ,control ,over ,Housing or Jobs'. or How our country is run? They must obey Their European Masters. who make the rules? The British people have been sold down the River,by these three parties Who now want Your Votes'? Its' Time For A Change of Direction ? Time ,You Had Your Say ? IF You Want A Referendum on Europe? U. K. I. P. is The Way. Dont Be Taken For Granted???.. Have an Enjoyable Day. sungie1$
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2:07pm Tue 19 Feb 13

binghammac says...

The European Union auditors have not been able to reconcile the financial books of the EU for the past 18 years. It would be a very unwise investor who bought shares in a company where the auditors had been unable to reconcile the financial books for 1 year, let alone 18. Furthermore, Mr Cameron should explain why Ford closed the Southampton factory at the same time the EU granted £80 million to Ford to start manufacturing Transit vans in Turkey, a country that is not even in the EU. Another example of Cameron's duplicity. Vote UKIP.
The European Union auditors have not been able to reconcile the financial books of the EU for the past 18 years. It would be a very unwise investor who bought shares in a company where the auditors had been unable to reconcile the financial books for 1 year, let alone 18. Furthermore, Mr Cameron should explain why Ford closed the Southampton factory at the same time the EU granted £80 million to Ford to start manufacturing Transit vans in Turkey, a country that is not even in the EU. Another example of Cameron's duplicity. Vote UKIP. binghammac
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2:13pm Tue 19 Feb 13

denniss says...

binghammac wrote:
The European Union auditors have not been able to reconcile the financial books of the EU for the past 18 years. It would be a very unwise investor who bought shares in a company where the auditors had been unable to reconcile the financial books for 1 year, let alone 18. Furthermore, Mr Cameron should explain why Ford closed the Southampton factory at the same time the EU granted £80 million to Ford to start manufacturing Transit vans in Turkey, a country that is not even in the EU. Another example of Cameron's duplicity. Vote UKIP.
I thought this article was about the Boorley Green developement not the EU. It was nice to see Maria Hutchings at the meeting last night pity John O'Farrell wasn't there probably doesn't know where Boorley Green is another noteable absentee was Diane James UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]binghammac[/bold] wrote: The European Union auditors have not been able to reconcile the financial books of the EU for the past 18 years. It would be a very unwise investor who bought shares in a company where the auditors had been unable to reconcile the financial books for 1 year, let alone 18. Furthermore, Mr Cameron should explain why Ford closed the Southampton factory at the same time the EU granted £80 million to Ford to start manufacturing Transit vans in Turkey, a country that is not even in the EU. Another example of Cameron's duplicity. Vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]I thought this article was about the Boorley Green developement not the EU. It was nice to see Maria Hutchings at the meeting last night pity John O'Farrell wasn't there probably doesn't know where Boorley Green is another noteable absentee was Diane James UKIP. denniss
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2:20pm Tue 19 Feb 13

one in a million says...

bewarned don't object to these plans or you will be branded a NIMBY by those smug souls who love their clever acronyms....
bewarned don't object to these plans or you will be branded a NIMBY by those smug souls who love their clever acronyms.... one in a million
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2:37pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Two faced Lib Dem have always said one thing and done the other.

They are promising to be guardian of green spaces but want to cover this land with concrete.

Voters have the chance to express their disgust about these dodgy geezers by voting against Lib Dems on 28th.
Two faced Lib Dem have always said one thing and done the other. They are promising to be guardian of green spaces but want to cover this land with concrete. Voters have the chance to express their disgust about these dodgy geezers by voting against Lib Dems on 28th. Paramjit Bahia
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2:54pm Tue 19 Feb 13

sungie1$ says...

Houses? Jobs'? Uncontrolled Immigration? The Day of Reckoning? is NIG'H? Time to have Your Say? 28Th .
Feb. Judgement day ? YOU will do as you are told? YOU will do as we say?YOU put your X in the wrong Box ? and Now You Must Pay? Get it right this Time? You Have No Choice. The three main parties', Speak with one Voice.(forked tongues)??? U. K. I. P. is The Answer U. K. I. P. is The Way, X
Houses? Jobs'? Uncontrolled Immigration? The Day of Reckoning? is NIG'H? Time to have Your Say? 28Th . Feb. Judgement day ? YOU will do as you are told? YOU will do as we say?YOU put your X in the wrong Box ? and Now You Must Pay? Get it right this Time? You Have No Choice. The three main parties', Speak with one Voice.(forked tongues)??? U. K. I. P. is The Answer U. K. I. P. is The Way, X sungie1$
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3:40pm Tue 19 Feb 13

sburman says...

The Beer,Baccy & Crumpet party say Build and provide more houses for them that need them
The Beer,Baccy & Crumpet party say Build and provide more houses for them that need them sburman
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3:41pm Tue 19 Feb 13

timothyvince says...

why isn't anyone engaging with the issue. Have a look at Danny Stupple's new website: http://www.danny4eas
tleigh.org.uk./page4
/index.html
He has no big funding behind him but is by far the most impressive candidate - http://www.flickr.co
m/photos/48760722@N0
2/8483889642/
why isn't anyone engaging with the issue. Have a look at Danny Stupple's new website: http://www.danny4eas tleigh.org.uk./page4 /index.html He has no big funding behind him but is by far the most impressive candidate - http://www.flickr.co m/photos/48760722@N0 2/8483889642/ timothyvince
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4:13pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

5 million come here in 12 years so we need 3 million homes. I wonder what the reason is for that then ?
Our precious green belt being eaten up for people we don't need.
When you watch programmes like BBC Question time & they talk about the housing shortage only Nigel Farage will mention immigration.
The rest of the DimLibLabCon men bury their heads in the sand because they are to blame.
Vote UKIP
5 million come here in 12 years so we need 3 million homes. I wonder what the reason is for that then ? Our precious green belt being eaten up for people we don't need. When you watch programmes like BBC Question time & they talk about the housing shortage only Nigel Farage will mention immigration. The rest of the DimLibLabCon men bury their heads in the sand because they are to blame. Vote UKIP Pobinr
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4:16pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Thank you Mr Cameron for at least another 5 years of this;
How the EU's succeeded where Hitler failed;
More crime
More over crowding
More traffic pollution
More road congestion
More demand for water
More fragmented society
More language problems
More demand for parking
More demand for housing
More pressure on greenbelt
More demand for employment
More demand for social services
More burden on the education system
More upward pressure on house prices
Decimation of fish stocks in our waters
More & more & more centralised control
LESS & LESS DEMOCRACY


There are two types of people don't mind the above.
A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs'
B] People with their snouts in the EU trough


EU = NEW Soviet UNION >>> http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=-KIc7jLx8
RA&feature=youtu.be


Switzerland thriving outside the EU >>> https://infocus.cred
it-suisse.com/app/ar
ticle/index.cfm?fuse
action=OpenArticle&a
oid=376023&coid=3773
46&lang=en&utm_sourc
e=outbrain
Thank you Mr Cameron for at least another 5 years of this; How the EU's succeeded where Hitler failed; More crime More over crowding More traffic pollution More road congestion More demand for water More fragmented society More language problems More demand for parking More demand for housing More pressure on greenbelt More demand for employment More demand for social services More burden on the education system More upward pressure on house prices Decimation of fish stocks in our waters More & more & more centralised control LESS & LESS DEMOCRACY There are two types of people don't mind the above. A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs' B] People with their snouts in the EU trough EU = NEW Soviet UNION >>> http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=-KIc7jLx8 RA&feature=youtu.be Switzerland thriving outside the EU >>> https://infocus.cred it-suisse.com/app/ar ticle/index.cfm?fuse action=OpenArticle&a oid=376023&coid=3773 46&lang=en&utm_sourc e=outbrain Pobinr
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4:18pm Tue 19 Feb 13

roy may says...

Come all the electorate throughout the UK
It’s time to ignore what the LIBLABCON say
Lets face it these parties have all had their day
Our politics need rearranging
So go out and vote UKIP lets sweep them away
For the times they are a changing

Not one of them listens to our point of view
They’d sooner give our cash to the EU
So lets kick them out and try something new
We can’t afford this lot remaining
Political rethink is long overdue
For the times they are a changing

They lied about Lisbon and promised a vote
There all Europhiles and in the same boat
Their treachery just bring a lump to my throat
As each other they just keep blaming
So send them a message and let them take note
That the times they are a changing

We will no longer tolerate lies being told
Tax breaks for the rich but more tax for the old
Ruled from the EU and our birthrights sold
They ignore us when we are complaining
If we all vote UKIP their out in the cold
For the times they all need changing
Come all the electorate throughout the UK It’s time to ignore what the LIBLABCON say Lets face it these parties have all had their day Our politics need rearranging So go out and vote UKIP lets sweep them away For the times they are a changing Not one of them listens to our point of view They’d sooner give our cash to the EU So lets kick them out and try something new We can’t afford this lot remaining Political rethink is long overdue For the times they are a changing They lied about Lisbon and promised a vote There all Europhiles and in the same boat Their treachery just bring a lump to my throat As each other they just keep blaming So send them a message and let them take note That the times they are a changing We will no longer tolerate lies being told Tax breaks for the rich but more tax for the old Ruled from the EU and our birthrights sold They ignore us when we are complaining If we all vote UKIP their out in the cold For the times they all need changing roy may
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4:21pm Tue 19 Feb 13

roy may says...

Tory Voting Song

Jolly voting weather
We are all Europhiles
We’re very clever
And lie to you all the while
You fell for our promise especially the CAST IRON trick
We’re all from Eton, and you lot are all too thick.

If you think I’ll claim back powers,
You haven’t got a clue
We’ll hand the UK to Merkle,
There is nothing that you can do
No referendums Changes through on the nod
I am the PM and I’m a duplicitous sod

As for immigration
I know it gets on your tits
I will flood the nation
And pay their benefits
I am from Eton; I am one of the ruling class
If you don’t like it, you can just kiss my ****
Tory Voting Song Jolly voting weather We are all Europhiles We’re very clever And lie to you all the while You fell for our promise especially the CAST IRON trick We’re all from Eton, and you lot are all too thick. If you think I’ll claim back powers, You haven’t got a clue We’ll hand the UK to Merkle, There is nothing that you can do No referendums Changes through on the nod I am the PM and I’m a duplicitous sod As for immigration I know it gets on your tits I will flood the nation And pay their benefits I am from Eton; I am one of the ruling class If you don’t like it, you can just kiss my **** roy may
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4:25pm Tue 19 Feb 13

roy may says...

The EU Budget Prognosis

Said Dave “I’m off to Europe to ensure they cut the budget
If me and Merkle both collude I know that we can fudge it
I’ll come home draped in glory, we’ll gain lots more vote for sure
The voters just wont realise that we’ll be paying more”

Alas poor Dave don’t realise that voters aren’t that dim
Unlike the Tory faithful there not taken in by him
The UKIP vote will turf him out we know they marked his card
This Cameron and Merkle scam is simply a charade

And once mass immigration comes here early on next year
The cut backs and the bedroom tax will stoke the Tory fear
They’ll see just what a large amount of votes that UKIP stole
And be haunted by the prospect of a future on the dole

Magic

Before you vote remember this http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=i1JReyGsd
OA
The EU Budget Prognosis Said Dave “I’m off to Europe to ensure they cut the budget If me and Merkle both collude I know that we can fudge it I’ll come home draped in glory, we’ll gain lots more vote for sure The voters just wont realise that we’ll be paying more” Alas poor Dave don’t realise that voters aren’t that dim Unlike the Tory faithful there not taken in by him The UKIP vote will turf him out we know they marked his card This Cameron and Merkle scam is simply a charade And once mass immigration comes here early on next year The cut backs and the bedroom tax will stoke the Tory fear They’ll see just what a large amount of votes that UKIP stole And be haunted by the prospect of a future on the dole Magic Before you vote remember this http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=i1JReyGsd OA roy may
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4:26pm Tue 19 Feb 13

roy may says...

Election in Eastliegh

Our homeland famed for hope and glory
Will not be saved by voting Tory
For Cameron has a different view
He’ll sell us all to the EU

And soon you’ll hear from the Libdem
Vote for us, were not like them
But I would say ignore them please
Remember the tuition fees

And what about the Labour lot
Who’s secret immigration plot
Has worked exactly as designed
When they the Lisbon Treaty signed

Your dreams alas will turn to dust
If in these parties you put trust
Now is the time to get a grip
Get rid of this lot VOTE UKIP
Election in Eastliegh Our homeland famed for hope and glory Will not be saved by voting Tory For Cameron has a different view He’ll sell us all to the EU And soon you’ll hear from the Libdem Vote for us, were not like them But I would say ignore them please Remember the tuition fees And what about the Labour lot Who’s secret immigration plot Has worked exactly as designed When they the Lisbon Treaty signed Your dreams alas will turn to dust If in these parties you put trust Now is the time to get a grip Get rid of this lot VOTE UKIP roy may
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4:33pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Ron May
Excellent & too true. UKIP our only hope
Ron May Excellent & too true. UKIP our only hope Pobinr
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4:39pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Dear Mr Cameron

I love all the photo opportunities on your face book page.
I can't believe you're Prime Minister!

Please continue 'chillaxing' while we take over your country.
We're thinking of renaming it 'Little Eastern Europe'
Don't worry though we're very democratic about these things.
You'll get a vote on the 27 seat committee that decides which name.

Incidentally can you tell me why you bothered to fight two world wars to keep the Germans out, only for you to be invaded instead by Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, Czechs, Slovaks, Romanians, Bulgarians & Hungarians ?

The Germans would have had to take your houses at gun point.
Whereas these East Europeans just need say they're going to stay, then get pregnant, then get free social housing. Retired ones can even get their pensions topped for free.
Brits pay in for 40 years. They pay in for 0 years. Lovely. You couldn't think it up. Many thanks for your generosity

Meantime we have our sites set on Switzerland. They're the richest country in Europe per capita, but we'll see if we can change that.
How dare they have the nerve not to join our democracy!

Best regards


Herbert Van Rompuy
President of the EU Commission (unelected)
https://www.facebook
.com/pages/Herman-Va
n-Rompuy-is-not-my-p
resident/10869726495
8


PS Many thanks for putting off a referendum for another 5 years by which time your people won't have had a say in the EU for 43 years!
Yes the biggest changes ever to happen to them & they get NO SAY WHAT SO EVER in any of it.
That's just the kind of democracy we at the heart of the EU love to see.
I guarantee a cushy job here for you when you're fired.
Not that you'll need a job with that fortune that Daddy's left you offshore in a tax haven ;-)
Dear Mr Cameron I love all the photo opportunities on your face book page. I can't believe you're Prime Minister! Please continue 'chillaxing' while we take over your country. We're thinking of renaming it 'Little Eastern Europe' Don't worry though we're very democratic about these things. You'll get a vote on the 27 seat committee that decides which name. Incidentally can you tell me why you bothered to fight two world wars to keep the Germans out, only for you to be invaded instead by Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, Czechs, Slovaks, Romanians, Bulgarians & Hungarians ? The Germans would have had to take your houses at gun point. Whereas these East Europeans just need say they're going to stay, then get pregnant, then get free social housing. Retired ones can even get their pensions topped for free. Brits pay in for 40 years. They pay in for 0 years. Lovely. You couldn't think it up. Many thanks for your generosity Meantime we have our sites set on Switzerland. They're the richest country in Europe per capita, but we'll see if we can change that. How dare they have the nerve not to join our democracy! Best regards Herbert Van Rompuy President of the EU Commission (unelected) https://www.facebook .com/pages/Herman-Va n-Rompuy-is-not-my-p resident/10869726495 8 PS Many thanks for putting off a referendum for another 5 years by which time your people won't have had a say in the EU for 43 years! Yes the biggest changes ever to happen to them & they get NO SAY WHAT SO EVER in any of it. That's just the kind of democracy we at the heart of the EU love to see. I guarantee a cushy job here for you when you're fired. Not that you'll need a job with that fortune that Daddy's left you offshore in a tax haven ;-) Pobinr
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6:25pm Tue 19 Feb 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

sungie1$ wrote:
Houses? Jobs'? Uncontrolled Immigration? The Day of Reckoning? is NIG'H? Time to have Your Say? 28Th .
Feb. Judgement day ? YOU will do as you are told? YOU will do as we say?YOU put your X in the wrong Box ? and Now You Must Pay? Get it right this Time? You Have No Choice. The three main parties', Speak with one Voice.(forked tongues)??? U. K. I. P. is The Answer U. K. I. P. is The Way, X
You need a new keyboard mate
[quote][p][bold]sungie1$[/bold] wrote: Houses? Jobs'? Uncontrolled Immigration? The Day of Reckoning? is NIG'H? Time to have Your Say? 28Th . Feb. Judgement day ? YOU will do as you are told? YOU will do as we say?YOU put your X in the wrong Box ? and Now You Must Pay? Get it right this Time? You Have No Choice. The three main parties', Speak with one Voice.(forked tongues)??? U. K. I. P. is The Answer U. K. I. P. is The Way, X[/p][/quote]You need a new keyboard mate 100%HANTSBOY
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6:55pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Pobinr wrote:
Thank you Mr Cameron for at least another 5 years of this;
How the EU's succeeded where Hitler failed;
More crime
More over crowding
More traffic pollution
More road congestion
More demand for water
More fragmented society
More language problems
More demand for parking
More demand for housing
More pressure on greenbelt
More demand for employment
More demand for social services
More burden on the education system
More upward pressure on house prices
Decimation of fish stocks in our waters
More & more & more centralised control
LESS & LESS DEMOCRACY


There are two types of people don't mind the above.
A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs'
B] People with their snouts in the EU trough


EU = NEW Soviet UNION >>> http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=-KIc7jLx8

RA&feature=youtu
.be


Switzerland thriving outside the EU >>> https://infocus.cred

it-suisse.com/app/ar

ticle/index.cfm?fuse

action=OpenArticle&a
mp;a
oid=376023&coid=
3773
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Umm is it me, or to quote you "-......
.
There are two types of people don't mind the above.
A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs'
B] People with their snouts in the EU trough.
.
Well at the risk of being shot down ..... ....... Ummm isn't your leader sitting there with his snout in the EU trough ....... Taking £ 64k a year salary and it is reported some £2m in expenses.
.
Well if thats not in the Euro trough then what is
.
Perhaps i am missing the point of your post so please enlighten me
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Cameron for at least another 5 years of this; How the EU's succeeded where Hitler failed; More crime More over crowding More traffic pollution More road congestion More demand for water More fragmented society More language problems More demand for parking More demand for housing More pressure on greenbelt More demand for employment More demand for social services More burden on the education system More upward pressure on house prices Decimation of fish stocks in our waters More & more & more centralised control LESS & LESS DEMOCRACY There are two types of people don't mind the above. A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs' B] People with their snouts in the EU trough EU = NEW Soviet UNION >>> http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=-KIc7jLx8 RA&feature=youtu .be Switzerland thriving outside the EU >>> https://infocus.cred it-suisse.com/app/ar ticle/index.cfm?fuse action=OpenArticle&a mp;a oid=376023&coid= 3773 46&lang=en&u tm_sourc e=outbrain[/p][/quote]Umm is it me, or to quote you "-...... . There are two types of people don't mind the above. A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs' B] People with their snouts in the EU trough. . Well at the risk of being shot down ..... ....... Ummm isn't your leader sitting there with his snout in the EU trough ....... Taking £ 64k a year salary and it is reported some £2m in expenses. . Well if thats not in the Euro trough then what is . Perhaps i am missing the point of your post so please enlighten me Lone Ranger.
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7:27pm Tue 19 Feb 13

freefinker says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Pobinr wrote:
Thank you Mr Cameron for at least another 5 years of this;
How the EU's succeeded where Hitler failed;
More crime
More over crowding
More traffic pollution
More road congestion
More demand for water
More fragmented society
More language problems
More demand for parking
More demand for housing
More pressure on greenbelt
More demand for employment
More demand for social services
More burden on the education system
More upward pressure on house prices
Decimation of fish stocks in our waters
More & more & more centralised control
LESS & LESS DEMOCRACY


There are two types of people don't mind the above.
A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs'
B] People with their snouts in the EU trough


EU = NEW Soviet UNION >>> http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=-KIc7jLx8


RA&feature=youtu

.be


Switzerland thriving outside the EU >>> https://infocus.cred


it-suisse.com/app/ar


ticle/index.cfm?fuse


action=OpenArticle&a
mp;a
mp;a
oid=376023&coid=

3773
46&lang=en&u

tm_sourc
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Umm is it me, or to quote you "-......
.
There are two types of people don't mind the above.
A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs'
B] People with their snouts in the EU trough.
.
Well at the risk of being shot down ..... ....... Ummm isn't your leader sitting there with his snout in the EU trough ....... Taking £ 64k a year salary and it is reported some £2m in expenses.
.
Well if thats not in the Euro trough then what is
.
Perhaps i am missing the point of your post so please enlighten me
.. oh, it's not just the leader's snout.

At the 2009 Euro Elections UKIP secured 13 MEP's - but that may have gone down a bit since, what with the arguing, convictions, defections etc. etc.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Thank you Mr Cameron for at least another 5 years of this; How the EU's succeeded where Hitler failed; More crime More over crowding More traffic pollution More road congestion More demand for water More fragmented society More language problems More demand for parking More demand for housing More pressure on greenbelt More demand for employment More demand for social services More burden on the education system More upward pressure on house prices Decimation of fish stocks in our waters More & more & more centralised control LESS & LESS DEMOCRACY There are two types of people don't mind the above. A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs' B] People with their snouts in the EU trough EU = NEW Soviet UNION >>> http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=-KIc7jLx8 RA&feature=youtu .be Switzerland thriving outside the EU >>> https://infocus.cred it-suisse.com/app/ar ticle/index.cfm?fuse action=OpenArticle&a mp;a mp;a oid=376023&coid= 3773 46&lang=en&u tm_sourc e=outbrain[/p][/quote]Umm is it me, or to quote you "-...... . There are two types of people don't mind the above. A] Simple minded deluded people, often called 'Dim Libs' B] People with their snouts in the EU trough. . Well at the risk of being shot down ..... ....... Ummm isn't your leader sitting there with his snout in the EU trough ....... Taking £ 64k a year salary and it is reported some £2m in expenses. . Well if thats not in the Euro trough then what is . Perhaps i am missing the point of your post so please enlighten me[/p][/quote].. oh, it's not just the leader's snout. At the 2009 Euro Elections UKIP secured 13 MEP's - but that may have gone down a bit since, what with the arguing, convictions, defections etc. etc. freefinker
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7:30pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Lone Ranger
It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport?
It's a ludicrous suggestion.
You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years.
Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc
Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc Pobinr
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7:53pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Pobinr wrote:
Lone Ranger
It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport?
It's a ludicrous suggestion.
You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years.
Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc
No it was not in the Sunday sport, however it was well documented ....... But it was a few years ago.
.
Quote:- ....... During a debate about Europe at the Foreign Press Association - which was discreetly taped by the hosts - Farage was asked by former Europe minister Denis MacShane what he had received in non-salary expenses and allowances since becoming an MEP in 1999.

"It is a vast sum," Farage said. "I don't know what the total amount is but - oh lor - it must be pushing £2 million." Taken aback, MacShane then joked: "Is it too late to become an MEP?"

Farage insisted that he had not "pocketed" the money but had used the "very large sum of European taxpayers' money" to help promote Ukip's message that the UK should get out of the EU.
.
Whilst i accept that i should be more concerned about EUssr etc they are not the ones standing for election. In addition they are not the ones posting about "where Hitler failed"
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc[/p][/quote]No it was not in the Sunday sport, however it was well documented ....... But it was a few years ago. . Quote:- ....... During a debate about Europe at the Foreign Press Association - which was discreetly taped by the hosts - Farage was asked by former Europe minister Denis MacShane what he had received in non-salary expenses and allowances since becoming an MEP in 1999. "It is a vast sum," Farage said. "I don't know what the total amount is but - oh lor - it must be pushing £2 million." Taken aback, MacShane then joked: "Is it too late to become an MEP?" Farage insisted that he had not "pocketed" the money but had used the "very large sum of European taxpayers' money" to help promote Ukip's message that the UK should get out of the EU. . Whilst i accept that i should be more concerned about EUssr etc they are not the ones standing for election. In addition they are not the ones posting about "where Hitler failed" Lone Ranger.
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8:04pm Tue 19 Feb 13

shabbycaddy says...

Can't win in this country, you don't build new homes - people moan, you build new homes - people moan lol. I really don't get this constant moaning about these developments, mainly by older people, interesting to see in the photo that there doesn't seem to be many young people there...... I do agree that mondern houseing developments homes are generally to compact to maximise the profit out of the land by this is partly down to gettng planning permission, people forget that we are at our lowest house building since the 1920s, where do these people who protest think their kids and their kids are going to live?! The imigration issue is part of the problem, not the whole, remember people are living older and the worlds population is growing. People have to face up to the fact that there will have to be alot more develoments like this. Best thing is I bet there is a number of protester which live in victorian terrace's and 1930s onwards estates, they didn't bother with this moaning when they built those!Rant over:)
Can't win in this country, you don't build new homes - people moan, you build new homes - people moan lol. I really don't get this constant moaning about these developments, mainly by older people, interesting to see in the photo that there doesn't seem to be many young people there...... I do agree that mondern houseing developments homes are generally to compact to maximise the profit out of the land by this is partly down to gettng planning permission, people forget that we are at our lowest house building since the 1920s, where do these people who protest think their kids and their kids are going to live?! The imigration issue is part of the problem, not the whole, remember people are living older and the worlds population is growing. People have to face up to the fact that there will have to be alot more develoments like this. Best thing is I bet there is a number of protester which live in victorian terrace's and 1930s onwards estates, they didn't bother with this moaning when they built those!Rant over:) shabbycaddy
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8:19pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Pobinr wrote: Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc
No it was not in the Sunday sport, however it was well documented ....... But it was a few years ago. . Quote:- ....... During a debate about Europe at the Foreign Press Association - which was discreetly taped by the hosts - Farage was asked by former Europe minister Denis MacShane what he had received in non-salary expenses and allowances since becoming an MEP in 1999. "It is a vast sum," Farage said. "I don't know what the total amount is but - oh lor - it must be pushing £2 million." Taken aback, MacShane then joked: "Is it too late to become an MEP?" Farage insisted that he had not "pocketed" the money but had used the "very large sum of European taxpayers' money" to help promote Ukip's message that the UK should get out of the EU. . Whilst i accept that i should be more concerned about EUssr etc they are not the ones standing for election. In addition they are not the ones posting about "where Hitler failed"
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/politics/2009/
may/24/mps-expenses-
ukip-nigel-farage

maybe what you were looking for
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc[/p][/quote]No it was not in the Sunday sport, however it was well documented ....... But it was a few years ago. . Quote:- ....... During a debate about Europe at the Foreign Press Association - which was discreetly taped by the hosts - Farage was asked by former Europe minister Denis MacShane what he had received in non-salary expenses and allowances since becoming an MEP in 1999. "It is a vast sum," Farage said. "I don't know what the total amount is but - oh lor - it must be pushing £2 million." Taken aback, MacShane then joked: "Is it too late to become an MEP?" Farage insisted that he had not "pocketed" the money but had used the "very large sum of European taxpayers' money" to help promote Ukip's message that the UK should get out of the EU. . Whilst i accept that i should be more concerned about EUssr etc they are not the ones standing for election. In addition they are not the ones posting about "where Hitler failed"[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian. co.uk/politics/2009/ may/24/mps-expenses- ukip-nigel-farage maybe what you were looking for Pikey-Biker
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8:28pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

Pobinr wrote:
Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc
its £7,250,000,000 net contribution per annum
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc[/p][/quote]its £7,250,000,000 net contribution per annum Pikey-Biker
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8:34pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Fair Oak Resident says...

It doesn't matter who we vote for. It appears that those that grease the wheels wont be happy until Eastleigh really is Beastleigh. These 5000 wont make a difference. The houses will be too expensive for the average family and it wont make a dent in the price of the remaining housing stock. Slowly but surely they are destroying our way of life and taxing those who they can to the point emigration seems like the only way out. Will the last tax paying Brit turn the light off on their way out or at least show our Romanian/Bulgarian friends where the switch is.
It doesn't matter who we vote for. It appears that those that grease the wheels wont be happy until Eastleigh really is Beastleigh. These 5000 wont make a difference. The houses will be too expensive for the average family and it wont make a dent in the price of the remaining housing stock. Slowly but surely they are destroying our way of life and taxing those who they can to the point emigration seems like the only way out. Will the last tax paying Brit turn the light off on their way out or at least show our Romanian/Bulgarian friends where the switch is. Fair Oak Resident
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9:21pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

****-Biker wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Pobinr wrote: Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc
No it was not in the Sunday sport, however it was well documented ....... But it was a few years ago. . Quote:- ....... During a debate about Europe at the Foreign Press Association - which was discreetly taped by the hosts - Farage was asked by former Europe minister Denis MacShane what he had received in non-salary expenses and allowances since becoming an MEP in 1999. "It is a vast sum," Farage said. "I don't know what the total amount is but - oh lor - it must be pushing £2 million." Taken aback, MacShane then joked: "Is it too late to become an MEP?" Farage insisted that he had not "pocketed" the money but had used the "very large sum of European taxpayers' money" to help promote Ukip's message that the UK should get out of the EU. . Whilst i accept that i should be more concerned about EUssr etc they are not the ones standing for election. In addition they are not the ones posting about "where Hitler failed"
http://www.guardian.

co.uk/politics/2009/

may/24/mps-expenses-

ukip-nigel-farage

maybe what you were looking for
Yes you are quite correct P-Biker .. that is where i took the quote from ... Thanks
[quote][p][bold]****-Biker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger It's reported £2m expenses. Reported where in the Sunday Sport? It's a ludicrous suggestion. You need to be more concerned with the £70,000,000,000 we'll be giving to an organisation who can't even get their accounts signed off, namely the EUssr over the next 5 years because Cameron has put off a referendum for 5 years. Meantime here it's pay freezes for NHS staff & cuts everywhere in Police, food inspectors etc etc[/p][/quote]No it was not in the Sunday sport, however it was well documented ....... But it was a few years ago. . Quote:- ....... During a debate about Europe at the Foreign Press Association - which was discreetly taped by the hosts - Farage was asked by former Europe minister Denis MacShane what he had received in non-salary expenses and allowances since becoming an MEP in 1999. "It is a vast sum," Farage said. "I don't know what the total amount is but - oh lor - it must be pushing £2 million." Taken aback, MacShane then joked: "Is it too late to become an MEP?" Farage insisted that he had not "pocketed" the money but had used the "very large sum of European taxpayers' money" to help promote Ukip's message that the UK should get out of the EU. . Whilst i accept that i should be more concerned about EUssr etc they are not the ones standing for election. In addition they are not the ones posting about "where Hitler failed"[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian. co.uk/politics/2009/ may/24/mps-expenses- ukip-nigel-farage maybe what you were looking for[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite correct P-Biker .. that is where i took the quote from ... Thanks Lone Ranger.
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10:56pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Bizzarre. You're focussing on £2m scam that may or may not have happened & ignoring the 50m a day scam otherwise known as the EUssr!
Frankly if Farage did obtain £2m to fund a party that might help us escape from a a £50m a day scam then good luck to him!
Bizzarre. You're focussing on £2m scam that may or may not have happened & ignoring the 50m a day scam otherwise known as the EUssr! Frankly if Farage did obtain £2m to fund a party that might help us escape from a a £50m a day scam then good luck to him! Pobinr
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11:20pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

its less than £20m per day
its less than £20m per day Pikey-Biker
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9:07am Wed 20 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

'its less than £20m per day'
Oh yes I forget the EUssr who can't even get their accounts signed off give us back some of our money.
Why do we give them a penny in the 1st place so they can give us back mass immigration, dictats & more redtape when we're a £trillion in debt & making cuts here?
Only a madman would think the EU is a good thing!
'its less than £20m per day' Oh yes I forget the EUssr who can't even get their accounts signed off give us back some of our money. Why do we give them a penny in the 1st place so they can give us back mass immigration, dictats & more redtape when we're a £trillion in debt & making cuts here? Only a madman would think the EU is a good thing! Pobinr
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9:08am Wed 20 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Pobinr wrote:
Bizzarre. You're focussing on £2m scam that may or may not have happened & ignoring the 50m a day scam otherwise known as the EUssr!
Frankly if Farage did obtain £2m to fund a party that might help us escape from a a £50m a day scam then good luck to him!
Even more bazarre ....... You mention the word SCAM over the £2m .....
.
As i said previously, that you conveniently avoided, its UKIP that are standing in Eastleigh nor EUssr ......
.
oh yes and noses in the Eu trough .... now what were you saying about the leader of UKIP ..........
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Bizzarre. You're focussing on £2m scam that may or may not have happened & ignoring the 50m a day scam otherwise known as the EUssr! Frankly if Farage did obtain £2m to fund a party that might help us escape from a a £50m a day scam then good luck to him![/p][/quote]Even more bazarre ....... You mention the word SCAM over the £2m ..... . As i said previously, that you conveniently avoided, its UKIP that are standing in Eastleigh nor EUssr ...... . oh yes and noses in the Eu trough .... now what were you saying about the leader of UKIP .......... Lone Ranger.
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9:53am Wed 20 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

So “only a madman would think the EU is a good thing!” how come there isn’t any UKIP MP’s then?
So “only a madman would think the EU is a good thing!” how come there isn’t any UKIP MP’s then? Pikey-Biker
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9:55am Wed 20 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Fine I'm glad you're so unconcerned about the EUssr. You obviously like more & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent.
Fine I'm glad you're so unconcerned about the EUssr. You obviously like more & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent. Pobinr
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9:55am Wed 20 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Fine I'm glad you're so unconcerned about the EUssr. You obviously like more & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent.
Fine I'm glad you're so unconcerned about the EUssr. You obviously like more & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent. Pobinr
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10:19am Wed 20 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Pobinr wrote:
Fine I'm glad you're so unconcerned about the EUssr. You obviously like more & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent.
Oh no where did i say that ??? or is that youre way of dodging the issue.
.
You are the one that put out the extensive list and started off with noses in the trough of the EU ............ I have merely pointed out about Farage's salary and expenses.
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You are trying very hard to avoid the subject ........... but only succeeding in providing proof that UKIP at its core is not as credible as you would like to make out.
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Fine I'm glad you're so unconcerned about the EUssr. You obviously like more & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent.[/p][/quote]Oh no where did i say that ??? or is that youre way of dodging the issue. . You are the one that put out the extensive list and started off with noses in the trough of the EU ............ I have merely pointed out about Farage's salary and expenses. . You are trying very hard to avoid the subject ........... but only succeeding in providing proof that UKIP at its core is not as credible as you would like to make out. Lone Ranger.
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7:35pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Jack Herer says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Two faced Lib Dem have always said one thing and done the other.

They are promising to be guardian of green spaces but want to cover this land with concrete.

Voters have the chance to express their disgust about these dodgy geezers by voting against Lib Dems on 28th.
I'm intrigued.

In your head, did the Lib Dem MPs cackle manically as they schemed their dastardly plan to cover England's green and pleasant land with concrete?

Who anywhere, good or bad, wants green spaces to be replaced by concrete? Why are you possibly claiming the Lib Dems would therefore? Your claim makes no sense.

Wild shot in the dark, but is this more Labour propaganda? Like the one about more debt meaning prosperity? I see Ed Milliband was in Denmark the other day, on his one man mission to bring the world to the brink again with debt. Is his next stop Greece? Has no-one told him there is actually a real life limit to borrowing? And why should our children and grand children pay for our over spending greed?

Politics today is spin. It's why the country is such a mess. Tony Blair and Nu-Labour ushered in spin led politics. The Lib Dems, bless their naivety, make their decisions on what's best for the common man. Unfortunately that doesn't work in a world of spin. Spin beats decency in a tabloid world.

The good people of Eastleigh normally buck that trend. Decency does beat spin in some corners of this proud and noble country.

Here's hoping that happens again. I guess you're hoping for huge public spending based on fantasy land finances though.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Two faced Lib Dem have always said one thing and done the other. They are promising to be guardian of green spaces but want to cover this land with concrete. Voters have the chance to express their disgust about these dodgy geezers by voting against Lib Dems on 28th.[/p][/quote]I'm intrigued. In your head, did the Lib Dem MPs cackle manically as they schemed their dastardly plan to cover England's green and pleasant land with concrete? Who anywhere, good or bad, wants green spaces to be replaced by concrete? Why are you possibly claiming the Lib Dems would therefore? Your claim makes no sense. Wild shot in the dark, but is this more Labour propaganda? Like the one about more debt meaning prosperity? I see Ed Milliband was in Denmark the other day, on his one man mission to bring the world to the brink again with debt. Is his next stop Greece? Has no-one told him there is actually a real life limit to borrowing? And why should our children and grand children pay for our over spending greed? Politics today is spin. It's why the country is such a mess. Tony Blair and Nu-Labour ushered in spin led politics. The Lib Dems, bless their naivety, make their decisions on what's best for the common man. Unfortunately that doesn't work in a world of spin. Spin beats decency in a tabloid world. The good people of Eastleigh normally buck that trend. Decency does beat spin in some corners of this proud and noble country. Here's hoping that happens again. I guess you're hoping for huge public spending based on fantasy land finances though. Jack Herer
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10:16pm Sun 24 Feb 13

renard41 says...

"The Lib Dems . . . make their decisions based on what's best for the common man."
Oh, bless your naivety, Jack Herer!
Lib Dem politicians are no less devious and self-serving than those of other parties.
Certainly the local lot are adept at bending the truth to serve their own purpose.
Why else do they persist in shouting the lie that they are protecting our greenfields and countryside, even while voting disruptive development on fields at Boorley Green, Pylands Wood etc.

None of this, of course, will prevent the naive and blinkered from continuing to support them.
"The Lib Dems . . . make their decisions based on what's best for the common man." Oh, bless your naivety, Jack Herer! Lib Dem politicians are no less devious and self-serving than those of other parties. Certainly the local lot are adept at bending the truth to serve their own purpose. Why else do they persist in shouting the lie that they are protecting our greenfields and countryside, even while voting disruptive development on fields at Boorley Green, Pylands Wood etc. None of this, of course, will prevent the naive and blinkered from continuing to support them. renard41
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10:21pm Sun 24 Feb 13

renard41 says...

"The Lib Dems . . . make their decisions based on what's best for the common man."
Oh, bless your naivety, Jack Herer!
Lib Dem politicians are no less devious and self-serving than those of other parties.
Certainly the local lot are adept at bending the truth to serve their own purpose.
Why else do they persist in shouting the lie that they are protecting our greenfields and countryside, even while voting disruptive development on fields at Boorley Green, Pylands Wood etc.

None of this, of course, will prevent the naive and blinkered from continuing to support them.
"The Lib Dems . . . make their decisions based on what's best for the common man." Oh, bless your naivety, Jack Herer! Lib Dem politicians are no less devious and self-serving than those of other parties. Certainly the local lot are adept at bending the truth to serve their own purpose. Why else do they persist in shouting the lie that they are protecting our greenfields and countryside, even while voting disruptive development on fields at Boorley Green, Pylands Wood etc. None of this, of course, will prevent the naive and blinkered from continuing to support them. renard41
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