City lagging years behind strict controls prompting health fears

City pollution sparks health alert

City pollution sparks health alert

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SOUTHAMPTON is today at the centre of a traffic pollution health alert, the Daily Echo can reveal.

The city is lagging behind strict European emission controls – six years after they were put in place.

Now environment campaigners say tough action is needed as delays in addressing the issue are “costing people their health”.

Limits on the toxic gas, which is mainly created by traffic fumes, should have been met by January 2010.

The European Commission (EC) has launched legal action against the UK due to a failure to cut levels of nitrogen dioxide, which could lead to a £300m fine.

Now it has been revealed the city is one of 16 areas in the country which the European Commission says the government has not put forward a plan to reduce emissions.

Southampton City Council says its own air quality action plan could bring emission levels in Southampton down to an acceptable level by 2016.

It comes a year after the Daily Echo revealed high levels of the pollutant particle PM2.5 were recorded in Southampton by analysts at the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

And shock figures from Public Health England show the percentage of adult deaths in Southampton due air pollution in 2011 was 6.3 per cent – the second highest in the south east.

There are ten Air Quality Management Areas (AQMAs) in the city which represent the worst locations for nitrogen dioxide emissions, including Millbrook Road and Redbridge Road, Town Quay and Romsey.

The UK Supreme Court has already ruled that air pollution limits are regularly exceeded in the 16 areas including Southampton, and now the EC has decided to act in the first legal action of its kind.

Maria Arnold, health and environment advisor at environmental lawyers ClientEarth, which brought the case to the supreme court, slammed the growing problem with air pollution data.

She said: “Government need to wake up and take some real action to tackle cancer causing diesel fumes. Levels of pollution are illegal and delay is costing people their health, it's as simple as that.”

South east Green MEP Keith Taylor said he would have liked to have seen a plan put in place sooner to improve the air pollution problems in Southampton.

He said: “Air pollution is a serious threat to people's health, and needs to be treated as such. I hope that the council sticks to this plan and brings about the changed needed to clean up the city's air.

“The fact is that the vast majority of air pollution comes from road transport, particularly diesel engines.

“To seriously tackle this invisible killer we need a transport revolution that reduces the amount of vehicles on our roads.

“We need to see serious investment in alternatives to private transport. This means increasing the amount of cycling and walking and investing in attractive public transport options.

“Unfortunately residents of the city do have cause for concern about these dangerous levels of air pollution.

“We know that thousands of people in the UK die early every year because of bad air but, thankfully, we also know that there are solutions to the problem.

“I hope that people keep a close eye on their council to ensure that everything possible is done to reduce the damage caused by air pollution.”

A spokesman for the city council said the main cause of air pollution is vehicle traffic and all AQMAs are based by busy roads.

The council says it aims to reduce levels by encouraging people to use public transport more and share school runs, and by cutting the number of heavy goods vehicles using the road.

It recently opened a new Sustainable Distribution Centre in Nursling, where deliveries for areas of the city can be dropped off and delivered by one lorry, as opposed to several.

They said: “Millbrook and Redbridge Road is our most significant AQMA, which showed some of the highest levels of nitrogen dioxide in the city during 2012.

“In recent years the levels of air pollution have tended to decline and the data is suggesting that efforts made to improve air quality through the city’s Air Quality Action Plan could achieve levels below the threshold by 2016.”

Daily Echo:

Panel: The ten worst areas in Southampton for nitrogen oxide levels - Bevois Valley Road - Bitterne Road West - Winchester Road - Town Quay - Millbrook Road and Redbridge Road - Romsey Road - Commercial Road - New Road - Burgess Road - Victoria Road

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5:30am Wed 5 Mar 14

issacchunt says...

Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example. issacchunt
  • Score: 32

6:19am Wed 5 Mar 14

loosehead says...

after going to the ideal homes expo & seeing Londoners queuing up to look at & order the Nissan Electric car I asked one of them what was so good about it?
he replied due to the congestion charges & the red zones Electric cars were heaven sent & in the long term would save you a fortune he also said any second hand electric cars were going like hot cakes!
So here we are with a report that hands a London system lock stock & barrel into this councils plans.
traffic jams? cruise ships fault? no.
excessive amount of cars on the road ?yes how did London deal with it? Red zones I don't know if I'm correct but I can see it happening here
after going to the ideal homes expo & seeing Londoners queuing up to look at & order the Nissan Electric car I asked one of them what was so good about it? he replied due to the congestion charges & the red zones Electric cars were heaven sent & in the long term would save you a fortune he also said any second hand electric cars were going like hot cakes! So here we are with a report that hands a London system lock stock & barrel into this councils plans. traffic jams? cruise ships fault? no. excessive amount of cars on the road ?yes how did London deal with it? Red zones I don't know if I'm correct but I can see it happening here loosehead
  • Score: -1

7:12am Wed 5 Mar 14

ohpoppycock says...

Seems a little unfair as all the air monitoring stations are also on roads with the most traffic. Why not install them also on quiet roads to get the average of pollution levels during a given time. This is just more biased science.
Alternatively stick two fingers to the EU and leave.
Seems a little unfair as all the air monitoring stations are also on roads with the most traffic. Why not install them also on quiet roads to get the average of pollution levels during a given time. This is just more biased science. Alternatively stick two fingers to the EU and leave. ohpoppycock
  • Score: -12

7:26am Wed 5 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

issacchunt wrote:
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Turn your engine off then or get a car with stop start technology.
I think this is absolutely disgusting that people are dying or ill because of laziness, what has the human race become? A fat, unfit jelly like species, there is no point in having legs anymore they should just make everything drive through.
I would also like to know what comes raining down on us from all the aircraft since they started flying over the city.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.[/p][/quote]Turn your engine off then or get a car with stop start technology. I think this is absolutely disgusting that people are dying or ill because of laziness, what has the human race become? A fat, unfit jelly like species, there is no point in having legs anymore they should just make everything drive through. I would also like to know what comes raining down on us from all the aircraft since they started flying over the city. bigfella777
  • Score: -13

7:30am Wed 5 Mar 14

KSO16R says...

ohpoppycock wrote:
Seems a little unfair as all the air monitoring stations are also on roads with the most traffic. Why not install them also on quiet roads to get the average of pollution levels during a given time. This is just more biased science.
Alternatively stick two fingers to the EU and leave.
They need to be on the roads with the most traffic! Pull your head out of the sand take a deep breath and think again.
[quote][p][bold]ohpoppycock[/bold] wrote: Seems a little unfair as all the air monitoring stations are also on roads with the most traffic. Why not install them also on quiet roads to get the average of pollution levels during a given time. This is just more biased science. Alternatively stick two fingers to the EU and leave.[/p][/quote]They need to be on the roads with the most traffic! Pull your head out of the sand take a deep breath and think again. KSO16R
  • Score: 6

7:30am Wed 5 Mar 14

Quentin Heslop says...

Red routes in London are primarily to speed traffic on main routes. Inherently though that does affect pollution levels. The Low Emissions Zone sets out to reduce pollutants from vehicles.

London is looking at extending the size and scope of the LEZ which will affect private owners of older diesel cars failing to meet the required EU standard for emissions. They would be forced to buy new cars.

Commercial operators will also be affected.

Electric vehicles merely shift the pollution to the generating station until we go nuclear for power generation.

Maybe Southampton needs an LEZ?
Red routes in London are primarily to speed traffic on main routes. Inherently though that does affect pollution levels. The Low Emissions Zone sets out to reduce pollutants from vehicles. London is looking at extending the size and scope of the LEZ which will affect private owners of older diesel cars failing to meet the required EU standard for emissions. They would be forced to buy new cars. Commercial operators will also be affected. Electric vehicles merely shift the pollution to the generating station until we go nuclear for power generation. Maybe Southampton needs an LEZ? Quentin Heslop
  • Score: 3

7:57am Wed 5 Mar 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

Although a large part of the reason for high levels of illness and premature mortality from particulate air pollution has been attributed to road traffic, we shouldn't ignore the potential contribution from industries based in the docks (current and planned).

I think that some serious research is needed to look at the respiratory ill health of communities living near the western docks and its approach raods, the likely causes of this and any potential solutions/ mitigation. Maybe the Council's public health service could team up with the University, ABP and the newly established Docklands Community Consultation Forum to carry this out.
Although a large part of the reason for high levels of illness and premature mortality from particulate air pollution has been attributed to road traffic, we shouldn't ignore the potential contribution from industries based in the docks (current and planned). I think that some serious research is needed to look at the respiratory ill health of communities living near the western docks and its approach raods, the likely causes of this and any potential solutions/ mitigation. Maybe the Council's public health service could team up with the University, ABP and the newly established Docklands Community Consultation Forum to carry this out. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 9

8:05am Wed 5 Mar 14

AFrustratedCyclist says...

Maybe more people in Southampton\Southamp
ton commuters need to do one of the following:
Car Share
work from home
use public transport
walk
or dare I say it cycle

A huge majority of the cars streaming into Southampton in the morning have one occupant.

Yes I know some of the options just won't work for some, but for many they could if they'd just think differently and would be willing to reduce the're dependence on their own personal cars.

SCC how about a city park and ride from somewhere around the M271 corridor?

and yes I have a car too, I just choose! to use it less than most
Maybe more people in Southampton\Southamp ton commuters need to do one of the following: Car Share work from home use public transport walk or dare I say it cycle A huge majority of the cars streaming into Southampton in the morning have one occupant. Yes I know some of the options just won't work for some, but for many they could if they'd just think differently and would be willing to reduce the're dependence on their own personal cars. SCC how about a city park and ride from somewhere around the M271 corridor? and yes I have a car too, I just choose! to use it less than most AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 5

8:19am Wed 5 Mar 14

wwozzer says...

Then do something constructive, free city wide parking for electric and hybrid vehicles? Buck the trend of trying to change behaviour with punitive taxes, incentivise with concessions instead.

There is no point hoping people will stop using their car, that's just not going to happen. However I'd say at least half of the problem must be down to commercial vehicles, especially in millbrook.
Then do something constructive, free city wide parking for electric and hybrid vehicles? Buck the trend of trying to change behaviour with punitive taxes, incentivise with concessions instead. There is no point hoping people will stop using their car, that's just not going to happen. However I'd say at least half of the problem must be down to commercial vehicles, especially in millbrook. wwozzer
  • Score: 6

8:28am Wed 5 Mar 14

Leaveitbe says...

Bitterne Road West features as one of the worst spots - the monitoring equipment is at the bottom of Bullar Road by the crossroads. Often there are 4 or 5 buses in convoy at the lights coming from town, all belching out their fumes. The worst offenders are the very old Velvet line buses where they leave trails of black smoke behind them when gear changes are made.
Why travel by bus when they are the worst offenders? ( is it any co-incidence that the older buses are the ones that use routes round Millbrook etc. too?) do buses have their emissions regulated at the same levels as cars? Apparently not!
Bitterne Road West features as one of the worst spots - the monitoring equipment is at the bottom of Bullar Road by the crossroads. Often there are 4 or 5 buses in convoy at the lights coming from town, all belching out their fumes. The worst offenders are the very old Velvet line buses where they leave trails of black smoke behind them when gear changes are made. Why travel by bus when they are the worst offenders? ( is it any co-incidence that the older buses are the ones that use routes round Millbrook etc. too?) do buses have their emissions regulated at the same levels as cars? Apparently not! Leaveitbe
  • Score: 9

8:31am Wed 5 Mar 14

soton-mike80 says...

issacchunt wrote:
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.[/p][/quote]Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents soton-mike80
  • Score: 19

9:06am Wed 5 Mar 14

Leaveitbe says...

soton-mike80 wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents
Totally agree - another big gripe is the narrowing of Bullar Road to 6ft 6 inches wide in one direction, resulting in many scrape marks already from vehicles on the huge concrete structures used. All because a few lorries have ignored the signs not to cross at the traffic lights towards Athelston Road due to steep and narrowed road. How much damage has already been caused to cars and vans?
[quote][p][bold]soton-mike80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.[/p][/quote]Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents[/p][/quote]Totally agree - another big gripe is the narrowing of Bullar Road to 6ft 6 inches wide in one direction, resulting in many scrape marks already from vehicles on the huge concrete structures used. All because a few lorries have ignored the signs not to cross at the traffic lights towards Athelston Road due to steep and narrowed road. How much damage has already been caused to cars and vans? Leaveitbe
  • Score: 7

9:41am Wed 5 Mar 14

Taskforce 141 says...

One part of the problem is traffic congestion caused by traffic lights everywhere!

Studies have proven that if you turn off traffic lights traffic moves smoother and people pay more attention to driving rather than being autonomous robots.

If turning of lights is night viable replace lights with roundabouts, most people know how to use these and they keep traffic flowing better than lights.

Park n ride sounds like a good idea to for regular commuters to work.

Public transport unfortunately I find too expensive for what it is and also full of chavtastic scum who I do not wish to spend any time in their proximity.

Southampton Council needs to start thinking outside the box, but as ever i'm sure they will fall in it!
One part of the problem is traffic congestion caused by traffic lights everywhere! Studies have proven that if you turn off traffic lights traffic moves smoother and people pay more attention to driving rather than being autonomous robots. If turning of lights is night viable replace lights with roundabouts, most people know how to use these and they keep traffic flowing better than lights. Park n ride sounds like a good idea to for regular commuters to work. Public transport unfortunately I find too expensive for what it is and also full of chavtastic scum who I do not wish to spend any time in their proximity. Southampton Council needs to start thinking outside the box, but as ever i'm sure they will fall in it! Taskforce 141
  • Score: 11

10:09am Wed 5 Mar 14

loosehead says...

If I could get a months bus pass that would be as cheap or cheaper than the £20 a month I spend on petrol I'd take the bus but as my gym has 2hours free parking paying £50+ for a bus pass is a no no for me
If I could get a months bus pass that would be as cheap or cheaper than the £20 a month I spend on petrol I'd take the bus but as my gym has 2hours free parking paying £50+ for a bus pass is a no no for me loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:25am Wed 5 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

bigfella777 wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Turn your engine off then or get a car with stop start technology.
I think this is absolutely disgusting that people are dying or ill because of laziness, what has the human race become? A fat, unfit jelly like species, there is no point in having legs anymore they should just make everything drive through.
I would also like to know what comes raining down on us from all the aircraft since they started flying over the city.
Was that you on the front of men's health and fitness mag this month with a rippling six pack ?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.[/p][/quote]Turn your engine off then or get a car with stop start technology. I think this is absolutely disgusting that people are dying or ill because of laziness, what has the human race become? A fat, unfit jelly like species, there is no point in having legs anymore they should just make everything drive through. I would also like to know what comes raining down on us from all the aircraft since they started flying over the city.[/p][/quote]Was that you on the front of men's health and fitness mag this month with a rippling six pack ? Zexagon
  • Score: -2

10:27am Wed 5 Mar 14

forestman says...

As someone has already mentioned - Park & Ride near M271. You also have the railway line near by so you might have an option to use the train tracks rather than the roads.

Cruise passengers should use Dockgate 10 (Millbrook) - this option would cost the council nothing (£0) and would also help the situation ? (incl taxis and coaches)

Traffic lights - lets try some tests, why not test at weekends and see if this helps at certain junctions/parts of the city rather than do nothing. It can be monitored and if it works fine, if it doesn't, the switch can be put back.

Solutions can be big or small - but all will have some benefit to the city, workers, traders and residents !!!!

But do something ..........
As someone has already mentioned - Park & Ride near M271. You also have the railway line near by so you might have an option to use the train tracks rather than the roads. Cruise passengers should use Dockgate 10 (Millbrook) - this option would cost the council nothing (£0) and would also help the situation ? (incl taxis and coaches) Traffic lights - lets try some tests, why not test at weekends and see if this helps at certain junctions/parts of the city rather than do nothing. It can be monitored and if it works fine, if it doesn't, the switch can be put back. Solutions can be big or small - but all will have some benefit to the city, workers, traders and residents !!!! But do something .......... forestman
  • Score: 5

10:28am Wed 5 Mar 14

Zeo says...

Ideas to reduce car pollution:

* How about people use buses - oh wait, cut backs so reduced service.
* What about cycling - oh wait SCC makes deadly cycle lane/junctions
* What about P&R - oh to expensive
* What about reopening Nursling, Northam and So'ton Terminus - oh wait, not enough demand
* How about turning the Waterside Line in to a commuter route - oh wait HCC says it will take all the business away from Hythe Ferry and Blue Star

No council is willing to vest in anything to get people out of their cars, they know full well car's are cash on wheels with parking fines and high parking charges. If there was a huge fall in car's they will charging cyclists to park and tax for every foot we took with in the city.
Ideas to reduce car pollution: * How about people use buses - oh wait, cut backs so reduced service. * What about cycling - oh wait SCC makes deadly cycle lane/junctions * What about P&R - oh to expensive * What about reopening Nursling, Northam and So'ton Terminus - oh wait, not enough demand * How about turning the Waterside Line in to a commuter route - oh wait HCC says it will take all the business away from Hythe Ferry and Blue Star No council is willing to vest in anything to get people out of their cars, they know full well car's are cash on wheels with parking fines and high parking charges. If there was a huge fall in car's they will charging cyclists to park and tax for every foot we took with in the city. Zeo
  • Score: 9

10:44am Wed 5 Mar 14

forestman says...

When West Quay was planned and built, the council as a condition of planning consent said that the developers had to pay for certain road improvements (Redbridge roundabout) to reduce congestion.

Has SCC imposed this same clause for the next phase of the development for West Quay? £££££££

If not, why not? These monies could have been used to improve the situation and maybe pay for some of the suggestions !?!

DE - you might want to look into this ?
When West Quay was planned and built, the council as a condition of planning consent said that the developers had to pay for certain road improvements (Redbridge roundabout) to reduce congestion. Has SCC imposed this same clause for the next phase of the development for West Quay? £££££££ If not, why not? These monies could have been used to improve the situation and maybe pay for some of the suggestions !?! DE - you might want to look into this ? forestman
  • Score: 7

11:36am Wed 5 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

There can't have been any air pollution over the last three months – it's been nothing but storms throughout winter.
There can't have been any air pollution over the last three months – it's been nothing but storms throughout winter. good-gosh
  • Score: -6

11:44am Wed 5 Mar 14

Quentin Heslop says...

Follow the Chinese route and restrict population growth. There are more people seeking to travel. Cars have got cleaner but (we presume from the feature) pollution has got worse. Therefore the increases in car numbers are outstripping any reduction in emissions.

Same goes for complaining about housing on undeveloped land. Unless you stop the root cause, you're going to need more houses.
Follow the Chinese route and restrict population growth. There are more people seeking to travel. Cars have got cleaner but (we presume from the feature) pollution has got worse. Therefore the increases in car numbers are outstripping any reduction in emissions. Same goes for complaining about housing on undeveloped land. Unless you stop the root cause, you're going to need more houses. Quentin Heslop
  • Score: 4

11:45am Wed 5 Mar 14

loosehead says...

forestman wrote:
As someone has already mentioned - Park & Ride near M271. You also have the railway line near by so you might have an option to use the train tracks rather than the roads.

Cruise passengers should use Dockgate 10 (Millbrook) - this option would cost the council nothing (£0) and would also help the situation ? (incl taxis and coaches)

Traffic lights - lets try some tests, why not test at weekends and see if this helps at certain junctions/parts of the city rather than do nothing. It can be monitored and if it works fine, if it doesn't, the switch can be put back.

Solutions can be big or small - but all will have some benefit to the city, workers, traders and residents !!!!

But do something ..........
dock gate ten is by the new police station where Rank flour mils is.
Dock gate 20 is Millbrook with easy access to the motorway.
my friend who goes on cruises was told it would cost him getting to Shirley as the roads were busy he suggested dock gate 20n this seemed to upset the Taxi driver,
[quote][p][bold]forestman[/bold] wrote: As someone has already mentioned - Park & Ride near M271. You also have the railway line near by so you might have an option to use the train tracks rather than the roads. Cruise passengers should use Dockgate 10 (Millbrook) - this option would cost the council nothing (£0) and would also help the situation ? (incl taxis and coaches) Traffic lights - lets try some tests, why not test at weekends and see if this helps at certain junctions/parts of the city rather than do nothing. It can be monitored and if it works fine, if it doesn't, the switch can be put back. Solutions can be big or small - but all will have some benefit to the city, workers, traders and residents !!!! But do something ..........[/p][/quote]dock gate ten is by the new police station where Rank flour mils is. Dock gate 20 is Millbrook with easy access to the motorway. my friend who goes on cruises was told it would cost him getting to Shirley as the roads were busy he suggested dock gate 20n this seemed to upset the Taxi driver, loosehead
  • Score: -3

2:24pm Wed 5 Mar 14

LadySam says...

You can add Winchester Road to that list. Endless traffic lights that are never in proper sequence lead to cars idling for ages in queues. I am thinking of investing in an oxygen tank and protective suit for me and the dog when we walk in the Park!
You can add Winchester Road to that list. Endless traffic lights that are never in proper sequence lead to cars idling for ages in queues. I am thinking of investing in an oxygen tank and protective suit for me and the dog when we walk in the Park! LadySam
  • Score: 6

4:31pm Wed 5 Mar 14

saintsalive1 says...

We so need a decent park and ride like Winchester have. This would reduce pollution and hopefully improve city bus services
We so need a decent park and ride like Winchester have. This would reduce pollution and hopefully improve city bus services saintsalive1
  • Score: 3

5:41pm Wed 5 Mar 14

anniswindsor says...

Leaveitbe wrote:
soton-mike80 wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents
Totally agree - another big gripe is the narrowing of Bullar Road to 6ft 6 inches wide in one direction, resulting in many scrape marks already from vehicles on the huge concrete structures used. All because a few lorries have ignored the signs not to cross at the traffic lights towards Athelston Road due to steep and narrowed road. How much damage has already been caused to cars and vans?
They didn't think those concrete structures out too well because now the lorries go round the link road to Cobbett Road, and turn right towards the town centre and then left up Athlestan Road, so as usual, totally ineffective and a waste of time and money. Also, the romanse system is alleged to have been taken over by Balfours, and they have changed all the sequencing of the traffic lights, which also leads to lengthy queues!
[quote][p][bold]Leaveitbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton-mike80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.[/p][/quote]Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents[/p][/quote]Totally agree - another big gripe is the narrowing of Bullar Road to 6ft 6 inches wide in one direction, resulting in many scrape marks already from vehicles on the huge concrete structures used. All because a few lorries have ignored the signs not to cross at the traffic lights towards Athelston Road due to steep and narrowed road. How much damage has already been caused to cars and vans?[/p][/quote]They didn't think those concrete structures out too well because now the lorries go round the link road to Cobbett Road, and turn right towards the town centre and then left up Athlestan Road, so as usual, totally ineffective and a waste of time and money. Also, the romanse system is alleged to have been taken over by Balfours, and they have changed all the sequencing of the traffic lights, which also leads to lengthy queues! anniswindsor
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Wed 5 Mar 14

issacchunt says...

bigfella777 wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Turn your engine off then or get a car with stop start technology.
I think this is absolutely disgusting that people are dying or ill because of laziness, what has the human race become? A fat, unfit jelly like species, there is no point in having legs anymore they should just make everything drive through.
I would also like to know what comes raining down on us from all the aircraft since they started flying over the city.
Bigfella, not sure why you quoted me and then went off on your on silly tirade? Stop start or not still too many lights, we have the Swaythling/Portswood bypass with at least 2 unessecary sets and then the cars are lead into the valley and a stop.

the buses are no option, overpriced and services being cut plus I can't get one to get me to work for 5am. As for aircraft............
.nutter.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.[/p][/quote]Turn your engine off then or get a car with stop start technology. I think this is absolutely disgusting that people are dying or ill because of laziness, what has the human race become? A fat, unfit jelly like species, there is no point in having legs anymore they should just make everything drive through. I would also like to know what comes raining down on us from all the aircraft since they started flying over the city.[/p][/quote]Bigfella, not sure why you quoted me and then went off on your on silly tirade? Stop start or not still too many lights, we have the Swaythling/Portswood bypass with at least 2 unessecary sets and then the cars are lead into the valley and a stop. the buses are no option, overpriced and services being cut plus I can't get one to get me to work for 5am. As for aircraft............ .nutter. issacchunt
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2:22am Thu 6 Mar 14

Poppy22 says...

Echo - how about publishing all air quality monitoring figures for Hampshire, or a link to the figures, so we know all the problem areas and not just the ones Europe are monitoring. There must be pollution - and noise - monitoring equipment all over the place that Councils know about but the public doesn't, so why don't we have access to the readings?
Echo - how about publishing all air quality monitoring figures for Hampshire, or a link to the figures, so we know all the problem areas and not just the ones Europe are monitoring. There must be pollution - and noise - monitoring equipment all over the place that Councils know about but the public doesn't, so why don't we have access to the readings? Poppy22
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10:24am Thu 6 Mar 14

-stiv- says...

Unfortunately, whoever is responsible for developing road in Southampton is completely unable to see the bigger picture and fix these problems.
I go past car after car with a single occupant every morning. They can't all have bad ankles.

You have to make public transport and cycling more appealing than driving.

Nothing in Southampton is linked up or thought through with any rationality.
All the buses get stuck in all the same traffic as the cars.
It's a nightmare getting to the hospital. It's a nightmare trying to get out of town or into town. The council just add traffic lights as it's cheaper. They never re-plan or look at the city as a whole. Analysing the lights sequences is better than nothing.

We just need radical solutions. Someone must have decided that we, and our children are not worth the investment.
Unfortunately, whoever is responsible for developing road in Southampton is completely unable to see the bigger picture and fix these problems. I go past car after car with a single occupant every morning. They can't all have bad ankles. You have to make public transport and cycling more appealing than driving. Nothing in Southampton is linked up or thought through with any rationality. All the buses get stuck in all the same traffic as the cars. It's a nightmare getting to the hospital. It's a nightmare trying to get out of town or into town. The council just add traffic lights as it's cheaper. They never re-plan or look at the city as a whole. Analysing the lights sequences is better than nothing. We just need radical solutions. Someone must have decided that we, and our children are not worth the investment. -stiv-
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11:38pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Quentin Heslop says...

Poppy22 wrote:
Echo - how about publishing all air quality monitoring figures for Hampshire, or a link to the figures, so we know all the problem areas and not just the ones Europe are monitoring. There must be pollution - and noise - monitoring equipment all over the place that Councils know about but the public doesn't, so why don't we have access to the readings?
Hants air.org.uk
[quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: Echo - how about publishing all air quality monitoring figures for Hampshire, or a link to the figures, so we know all the problem areas and not just the ones Europe are monitoring. There must be pollution - and noise - monitoring equipment all over the place that Councils know about but the public doesn't, so why don't we have access to the readings?[/p][/quote]Hants air.org.uk Quentin Heslop
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3:07pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

anniswindsor wrote:
Leaveitbe wrote:
soton-mike80 wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.
Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents
Totally agree - another big gripe is the narrowing of Bullar Road to 6ft 6 inches wide in one direction, resulting in many scrape marks already from vehicles on the huge concrete structures used. All because a few lorries have ignored the signs not to cross at the traffic lights towards Athelston Road due to steep and narrowed road. How much damage has already been caused to cars and vans?
They didn't think those concrete structures out too well because now the lorries go round the link road to Cobbett Road, and turn right towards the town centre and then left up Athlestan Road, so as usual, totally ineffective and a waste of time and money. Also, the romanse system is alleged to have been taken over by Balfours, and they have changed all the sequencing of the traffic lights, which also leads to lengthy queues!
Ssacchunt says.. Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution.



Too soon to say.. so problem in the process of being solved.



LONDON UNVEILS NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.

14 March 2014.

As part of its commitment to reduce the number of pedestrians killed or injured by 40 percent by 2020, London is to trial new pedestrian crossing sensors to make it easier and safer for people to cross roads in the capital

SCOOT addresses the problem of how to properly time pedestrian crossings in such a way as to make sure as many people as possible cross with the lights, AS WELL AS KEEPING TRAFFIC FLOWING AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE. This is especially difficult in high traffic areas. Ideally, the light should be timed to allow everyone to cross, but pedestrian traffic isn't uniform and what might work for two people might not work for a dozen. WORSE, THERE'S THE PROBLEM OF PEDESTRIANS PRESSING THE REQUEST BUTTON AND THEN CROSSING AGAINST THE LIGHTS OR SIMPLY WALKING AWAY, WHICH CREATES NEEDLESS DELAYS.




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[quote][p][bold]anniswindsor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leaveitbe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton-mike80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. SCC always use lights rather than a mini roundabout. Look at Winchester rd for example.[/p][/quote]Good idea here... and perhaps get Southampton City Council to comment on how they have completely fouled up the Itchen Bridge in the morning too... Traffic is queueing from 07.50am on all roads in Woolston, when the queue used to start building at around 08.15 - this is since Southampton City Council did their "Improvements". Normally I don't complain about what the council does... but this particular issue is vexing a lot of local residents[/p][/quote]Totally agree - another big gripe is the narrowing of Bullar Road to 6ft 6 inches wide in one direction, resulting in many scrape marks already from vehicles on the huge concrete structures used. All because a few lorries have ignored the signs not to cross at the traffic lights towards Athelston Road due to steep and narrowed road. How much damage has already been caused to cars and vans?[/p][/quote]They didn't think those concrete structures out too well because now the lorries go round the link road to Cobbett Road, and turn right towards the town centre and then left up Athlestan Road, so as usual, totally ineffective and a waste of time and money. Also, the romanse system is alleged to have been taken over by Balfours, and they have changed all the sequencing of the traffic lights, which also leads to lengthy queues![/p][/quote]Ssacchunt says.. Echo, look into the over use of traffic lights which creates standing traffic and pollution. Too soon to say.. so problem in the process of being solved. LONDON UNVEILS NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. 14 March 2014. As part of its commitment to reduce the number of pedestrians killed or injured by 40 percent by 2020, London is to trial new pedestrian crossing sensors to make it easier and safer for people to cross roads in the capital SCOOT addresses the problem of how to properly time pedestrian crossings in such a way as to make sure as many people as possible cross with the lights, AS WELL AS KEEPING TRAFFIC FLOWING AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE. This is especially difficult in high traffic areas. Ideally, the light should be timed to allow everyone to cross, but pedestrian traffic isn't uniform and what might work for two people might not work for a dozen. WORSE, THERE'S THE PROBLEM OF PEDESTRIANS PRESSING THE REQUEST BUTTON AND THEN CROSSING AGAINST THE LIGHTS OR SIMPLY WALKING AWAY, WHICH CREATES NEEDLESS DELAYS. ,, Dan Soton
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