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Southampton City Council's plan to buy Southampton FC's stadium gets Lib Dem backing

St Mary's Stadium St Mary's Stadium

OPPOSITION politicians in Southampton have given tentative backing to the idea of the city council buying the Saints stadium.

As revealed by the Daily Echo, ruling Tory council chiefs have met with the administrator trying sell Saints to see if the 32,600 seat stadium could be bought at a knock down price and leased back to the club.

The council could then make a return through making more use of the stadium for conferencing facilities and as a venue for lucrative concerts such as the Bon Jovi concert hosted at St Mary’s last year.

Possible ventures could also see the car park developed and an expansion of the city’s CCTV operation.

The council, which is understood to be one of four serious bidders among at least 34 approaches , could fund its purchase through a loan or by selling council assets.

We are not in a bidding war but we understand the pain of the fans and the importance of the club

Deputy council leader Royston Smith

Lib Dem group leader Councillor Jill Baston said: “In principle, I don’t think we would be against it, but I think first of all we would need to know that council tax payers’ money was not going to involved in any way.

“We don’t have any details thus far as to what the financial negotiations might be, so it might be a case of seeing in detail what is actually being proposed and how the finances would work and how council taxpayers might be protected.

“We obviously feel that the football club is very important to the city and we clearly wish it well and wish it to prosper.”

Labour councillors said, although they won’t rule the idea out, they will not commit to it until it had been discussed at a group meeting next Monday.

They are calling for cross-party talks to decide what help can be offered to Saints and how the council could work as a facilitator to bring together partners to deliver a “combined stadium rescue plan”.

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Saints’ parent company Southampton Leisure Holdings PlC, which owns Southampton FC, was put into administration with debts of more than £30m.

The organisation owes £24m to Norwich Union for the stadium, while and £4.4m overdraft with Barclays Bank was exceeded.

Deputy council leader Royston Smith, confirmed he had held informal talks about buying the stadium but insisted that he would not gamble taxpayers’ money with the football club itself.

He said: “We remain only in the position that we wouldn’t rule out buying the ground if it was in the public interest. That would be if what it makes is more than it would cost in payments.”

He added: “We are not looking to compete with the private sector and we are not in a bidding war but we understand the pain of fans and the importance of the club.”

He said it was “breath-taking”

Labour were calling for cross-party talks when its group leader had previously spoke out against the club’s bid to axe free bus travel for fans in a bid to save cash.

Comments(27)

greystonesben says...
12:44pm Tue 14 Apr 09

Cue endless comments from people who dont understand the situation and havent propperly read the article saying 'I dont want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity blah blah blah'.

I think its great that the council can see the benefit in this.

The one comment which slightly disturbs me is

'The council, which is understood to be one of four serious bidders among at least 34 approaches'.

I was under the impression that the 34 approaches were for the club?? This implies that they include approaches for just the stadium which if correct then begs questions, of the 4 serious bids, how many are just for the stadium ala the council bid and how many are actually for the club?!

andoversaint says...
12:56pm Tue 14 Apr 09

I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.

Andy Locks Heath says...
1:05pm Tue 14 Apr 09

"Cautiously back" = political speak for "I want to claim share of the credit for this if it succeeds but want to distance myself from it if it goes wrong"

helltowatch says...
1:25pm Tue 14 Apr 09

andoversaint wrote:
I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
Why so narrow minded? The positives by far outweigh the negatives. The potential revenue the council could draw from having such a venue would be huge. It would be money well spent in the longer term.

mr.southampton says...
1:37pm Tue 14 Apr 09

Another example of the public sector having to mop up the mess caused by the excesses and mis-management of the private sector.


andoversaint says...
1:45pm Tue 14 Apr 09

helltowatch wrote:
andoversaint wrote: I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
Why so narrow minded? The positives by far outweigh the negatives. The potential revenue the council could draw from having such a venue would be huge. It would be money well spent in the longer term.
I was replying to the first post. For what it's worth, i think it's an excellent idea. The club is a vital part of the city and if the council are in a position to help SFC, while reaping benefits for the non-football-support
ing members of the community as well, then bring it on. I won't pretend to be an expert on the financial side of it though.

Jesus_02 says...
1:47pm Tue 14 Apr 09

andoversaint wrote:
I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
LOL

Jesus_02 says...
1:51pm Tue 14 Apr 09

Im not sure about the expanding the CCTV operation in Southampton. Thats a bit worrying. Isnt the statistic something like, if you walk down the highstreet you are on CCTV 26 times!

Security word:

with-loan

You cant make this kind of thing up!!

SF76 says...
2:07pm Tue 14 Apr 09

I would never trust the wishy washy liberals.


greystonesben says...
2:33pm Tue 14 Apr 09

mr.southampton wrote:
Another example of the public sector having to mop up the mess caused by the excesses and mis-management of the private sector.
While andoversaint chose his reply in a witty way (lol), I fear you are actually being serious!

Mr. Southampton, please read the article. It's not 'mopping up the mess' the council are in fact looking to profiteer from the situation.

'Mopping up the mess' leads you to believe they HAVE to do it, which is simply not the case.

Condor Man says...
2:55pm Tue 14 Apr 09

As a Saints fan, council tax payer and former SCC employee I implore the council to buy at least a stake in the stadium. They will have top quality premises, far more attractive than grotty Eastpoint or the civic and hopefully use it as a jumping off point for new investment.

Southampton is not just council tenants and social services. If we want to compete with better cities like Bristol we have to become more ambitious in our outlook.

Martin Wellbourne says...
3:13pm Tue 14 Apr 09

greystonesben wrote:
mr.southampton wrote: Another example of the public sector having to mop up the mess caused by the excesses and mis-management of the private sector.
While andoversaint chose his reply in a witty way (lol), I fear you are actually being serious! Mr. Southampton, please read the article. It's not 'mopping up the mess' the council are in fact looking to profiteer from the situation. 'Mopping up the mess' leads you to believe they HAVE to do it, which is simply not the case.
Make a profit?

Deputy council leader Royston Smith, said: “We remain only in the position that we wouldn’t rule out buying the ground if it was in the public interest. That would be if what it makes is more than it would cost in payments".

I am afraid that is not a businessman speaking - but a future Mayor just trying to get his name on a new social amenity.

The Council must not be allowed to confuse its public duty with any dreams of running a business. Leave business to the private sector and start cuting my taxes.

TedStripes says...
3:51pm Tue 14 Apr 09

andoversaint wrote:
I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
Living in Andover your council tax is safe investing in a new mega-shed or something that will be an even bigger super white elephant.

MangaFace says...
3:55pm Tue 14 Apr 09

The council cant afford to resurface my road let alone waste money on a niche market as football. This will end in yet more tears for the 10 saints fans.

Dog says...
5:02pm Tue 14 Apr 09

MangaFace wrote:
The council cant afford to resurface my road let alone waste money on a niche market as football. This will end in yet more tears for the 10 saints fans.
If you don't like it, you are free to move back to whichever rock you crawled out from underneath.

andoversaint says...
5:07pm Tue 14 Apr 09

TedStripes wrote:
andoversaint wrote: I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
Living in Andover your council tax is safe investing in a new mega-shed or something that will be an even bigger super white elephant.
I've got a shed... That's bigger than this...

thesaint says...
5:34pm Tue 14 Apr 09

MangaFace wrote:
The council cant afford to resurface my road let alone waste money on a niche market as football. This will end in yet more tears for the 10 saints fans.
well you could always move to pompey,you can get lovely countryside and a upmarket caravan.

Mark Murphy says...
7:52pm Tue 14 Apr 09

To respond to the very 1st point, the administrators are looking to pay SLH PLC's creditors and my understanding is that they will look to do so by attracting bids for the company's assets, which presumably include both club and ground.

In previous administrations, including that of my own club Kingstonian, this has led to the club and the ground being treated as separate entities, which has always been of such GREAT benefit to the clubs concerned...er...

I'm not 100% on this, so would welcome any correction from someone who knows better (i.e. 'at all').

The Grey Mystery says...
8:50pm Tue 14 Apr 09

andoversaint wrote:
I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
if the council has money to spend ,spend it on housing for ENGLISH PEOPLE AND CERTAINLY NOT ON 90 MINUTES EVERY TWO WEEKS OF 4TH CLASS SPORT

milton road says...
9:19pm Tue 14 Apr 09

I am a saints fan of some 44 years standing. I think the stadium should be used for the club, yet whoever buys it should be given the opportunity and take it to use it to its full potential.
I think the pitch itself should be kept upto standard and possibly the only sport played on it by the club.
There is no reason though why there shouldn't be more 'pop' events,even arts such as opera and dance, exhibitions, conferences,united church,theatre etc. We have had posts by others who obviously care about their art and other interests. The ground is only a white elephant if it is not used to potential. The city has great potential. The club has great potential.
its about time both were used to full effect.
Many people have over the years been very glad of the trade the club and its supporters have given them.It isn't only about the club it is also about outside businesses.
Whether the ground and club become two seperate entities or are still part of the whole. I believe there is so much more that can be achieved to promote the ground as an attractive venue for many other outlets.
If Saints are doing well and scoring goals even in div 1 they will bring in twenty thousand plus. Give saints fans good football and they will come.
Some of the things that I have mentioned may not appeal to some football fans. Just as football may not appeal to those with interests in some of the other ventures. Yet we are meant to be a community and we need to put aside blinkered views. We have a great stadium and it really is, it is the home of our football club. Yet it also needs to be used to its full potential, whoever buys it.

thesaint says...
10:44pm Tue 14 Apr 09

The Grey Mystery wrote:
andoversaint wrote:
I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
if the council has money to spend ,spend it on housing for ENGLISH PEOPLE AND CERTAINLY NOT ON 90 MINUTES EVERY TWO WEEKS OF 4TH CLASS SPORT
sounds like you got a chip on your shoulder,a thick chip

BertCatt says...
2:40am Wed 15 Apr 09

I'm in favour of anything to save the Saints going under. Southampton without a League Football team is unthinkable.

greystonesben says...
9:15am Wed 15 Apr 09

The Grey Mystery wrote:
andoversaint wrote: I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
if the council has money to spend ,spend it on housing for ENGLISH PEOPLE AND CERTAINLY NOT ON 90 MINUTES EVERY TWO WEEKS OF 4TH CLASS SPORT
Oh look, another rascist old codger who hates football. 4th class? Erm, sorry 'The Grey Muppet', football is the most followed sport certainly in England and questionably in the world too!

goard says...
10:38am Wed 15 Apr 09

Was it MacMenemy (may have wrongly spelt) when Saints were in or about Hill Lane, they needed a much larger ground but the above said 'not being controlled by Council' because that would be disasterious. This was many many years ago but he obviously had positive views. Is there anyone who can throw light on this and why would it be unwise to have Council control?

goard

milton road says...
11:04am Wed 15 Apr 09

In 1976 the council promised saints a new ground.The fact the ground never came and Liverpool got everyone kicked out of Europe including us is basically why Big Mac went. If my understanding is correct.
The Dell was great for atmosphere but never big enough.Back in the early eighties we could of pulled in 50 odd thousand, we could only get 24000 in the ground.
We challenged the big boys for near on a decade but couldn't sustain it with a small ground.
When people sometimes question about Big Mac's loyalty, no-one should go there. He turned down Arsenal and Manchester united, one of them twice to stay with Saints. He was a Messiah with a dream, others were way behind. We had great players yet the facilities remained archaic until dare I say it Lowe.

d s says...
12:01pm Wed 15 Apr 09

If the stadium is such a potential moneyspinner, why hasn't it been used as such so far?
Obviously there would be income from the club leasing the ground but fans will soon resent the club having to fork out over the odds to rent the ground, potentially sending it into debt. When Watford sold their ground, they got £6m and had to pay over £600K pa to rent it back. I would imagine any investor would want a similar % rental return.

Condor Man says...
8:54pm Wed 15 Apr 09

The Grey Mystery wrote:
andoversaint wrote: I don't want my council tax paying for some white elephant loss making entity.
if the council has money to spend ,spend it on housing for ENGLISH PEOPLE AND CERTAINLY NOT ON 90 MINUTES EVERY TWO WEEKS OF 4TH CLASS SPORT
it shouldn't be the responsibility of the council to house people- buy your own place.

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