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9:20am Sunday 10th May 2009 in
A STATE-OF-THE-ART 10,000-seat arena – similar in scale to the Echo Arena Liverpool – is the centrepiece of a grand new vision to redevelop Southampton’s Royal Pier and Mayflower Park. International A-list music acts, indoor sport events and temporary exhibitions could all be hosted at the stunning waterfront venue.
A convention centre, casino and observation tower with views over the docks could also be incorporated in the new masterplan, which won’t be unveiled to the public until the Southampton Boat Show in September.
Under early plans presented to Southampton City Council, the arena will be at the heart of a development that could also feature restaurants, shops and some housing.
City council bosses are due to meet with arena operators this week to discuss the financial viability of building the south coast’s premier arena on the prestigious site.
Councillor Royston Smith, Cabinet member for economic development, said the new scheme was a “massive improvement” on any of the previous plans for the site, which were dominated by thousands of flats.
He said arenas – once considered expensive white elephants – were coming back into vogue and there was an opportunity for Southampton to capitalise.
“I want to make sure Southampton is a destination. There is no point redeveloping the waterfront if it does not give people a reason to visit it,” he said.
“We are not going to be a Wembley Arena or The O2, but we could realistically attract an audience of eight, nine or ten thousand given the right events.”
The plans are being drawn up by Scottish-based developers Kilmartin, who were last July awarded an 18-month exclusivity contract to create a masterplan for the waterfront around Royal Pier and Mayflower Park.
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Kilmartin chairman Colin Banyard said The O2 in London and the 11,000-capacity Echo Arena Liverpool – where Beyonce is playing next month – demonstrated that versatile multi-purpose venues could be highly successful.
“The arrival of The O2 set a new precedent with regards to how arenas can be functioned and operated in a profitable way. Secondly, if you look on the south coast there is no real event location,” he said.
Mr Banyard added that the arena would be a major landmark and would not simply be a functional “tin shed”.
“We are not currently working with architects on design, as we are firstly looking at uses and viability so that we can give the architects a firm brief as to what we are looking for,” he said.
However, the Daily Echo understands early concept designs shown to the council have been described as “stunning” and have the potential to be an iconic building to rival the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao.
Land reclamation to extend Mayflower Park has been ruled out as too expensive given the £20m price tag, but both Kilmartin and the council are keen for the development to extend out into the water.
Echo Arena Liverpool, which the Southampton arena could rival in capacity.
They are considering using pontoon-like structures that could either be used as walkways for the public or even hold floating structures. While the masterplan is due to unveiled this year, it’s unlikely construction would start before 2012 given the current economic climate and the sheer scale of the multi-million-pound scheme.
Restaurateur Kuti Miah’s Thai eatery in the Royal Pavilion will remain unaffected and it is hoped the proposed 180ft tribute to the spitfire will also be incorporated at Town Quay.
Previous plans for at least 1,000 flats were rejected by docks owner ABP in 2007, but any housing in the new scheme is likely to be set away from ferry and port operations.
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Ian24
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9:36am Sun 10 May 09
OSPREYSAINT
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9:38am Sun 10 May 09
Charlie George's Lawnmower
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9:49am Sun 10 May 09
Bright Spark
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10:17am Sun 10 May 09
Bartonian
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10:54am Sun 10 May 09
Southampton Heart
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11:02am Sun 10 May 09
Condor Man
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soton1980
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12:27pm Sun 10 May 09
Bright Spark
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12:36pm Sun 10 May 09
soton1980 wrote:We've got the Tudor House?
When are we actually going to see something to rival to Portsmouth's Spinnaker Tower?? This stadium idea sounds good, but like others, I do question how it would affect St Mary's stadium, which gets some revenue from live acts.
gorf
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12:46pm Sun 10 May 09
southy
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1:26pm Sun 10 May 09
Southampton Heart wrote:its not whats need in mayflower park, this land was giving to the people off southampton, and has rules to, ie:- the park can not be closed more than 10 days a year for maintenance work, this time period is used for southampton boat show. it can not be built on. and must remain an open space for the people off southampton to use 24/7 (the foot gates must remain open at all times apart from the 10 days a year). failure to meet those condicion will result in the land being return back to the family that owns the freehold deeds, in whitch they have condicion to meet.
Looks & sounds great....it's what Southampton needs in the Mayflower park. The location for this arena is SPOT ON. Southampton has a lot to offer...unfortunatel
y some people seem to take it for granted and under-estimate how beautiful the City IS. There are far worse places to live in the UK...please just be grateful. Thanks.
Southampton Heart
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2:32pm Sun 10 May 09
fatboy
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2:32pm Sun 10 May 09
Bright Spark
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2:41pm Sun 10 May 09
fatboy wrote:I agree however, the council wont allow us grown ups to fish near the water, the health and safety brigade would say that is too dangerous and we might get wet. We used to be able to fish in the docks but that was banned 25 years ago because of one sad accident.
Why does the council have a desire to build on the only bit of land we can get near the water in the city? St Mary's is perfect for concerts so that idea is a non-starter. Mayflower park does need improving, its the council that has marginalized it by moving the play park and making it smaller. and got rid of the pitch and putt. put a BMX/roller rink in one corner, put a pontoon out for people to fish on and encourage people to go there!
saintbone
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3:20pm Sun 10 May 09
Cincinnati
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3:25pm Sun 10 May 09
D.a.v.e
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4:15pm Sun 10 May 09
Bright Spark wrote:and of course, IKEA
soton1980 wrote: When are we actually going to see something to rival to Portsmouth's Spinnaker Tower?? This stadium idea sounds good, but like others, I do question how it would affect St Mary's stadium, which gets some revenue from live acts.We've got the Tudor House?
Topsy Turvy
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4:43pm Sun 10 May 09
thedeerhunter270
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5:52pm Sun 10 May 09
Topsy Turvy wrote:You've never been to Western Shore then.
This is the only place left in Southampton where the public can see the sea. Yes it is a little bit tired but wouldn't cost much to tidy it up.I hope that the family that have the title deeds do not allow this development to happen.
Bright Spark
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6:01pm Sun 10 May 09
thedeerhunter270 wrote:It's a bit distant from the ships. The public want to be up close not 500 yards away Mr De Niro. In Portsmouth you can stand about 50 metres away from the warships as they sail past the Still and West pub, you can't get that close in Southampton Water to our liners.
Topsy Turvy wrote: This is the only place left in Southampton where the public can see the sea. Yes it is a little bit tired but wouldn't cost much to tidy it up.I hope that the family that have the title deeds do not allow this development to happen.You've never been to Western Shore then.
Topsy Turvy
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7:23pm Sun 10 May 09
loverboy
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8:52pm Sun 10 May 09
fuzzyfelt
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9:03pm Sun 10 May 09
Ben Doone
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9:51am Mon 11 May 09
southy wrote:Southy, as usual you have part of the story. The reclaimed land that made Mayflower Park and the Western Docks was legally agreed in 1928.The reclaimed marsh lands which became the New or, latterly, Western Docks area amounted to 474 acres and the foreshore was an additional 68 acres. All this was purchased by the Southern Railway on a FREEHOLD basis from Marianne Vaudrey Barker-Mill, the Rev Cyril Edwards and William Simons for the princely sum of £45,004!!
Southampton Heart wrote: Looks & sounds great....it's what Southampton needs in the Mayflower park. The location for this arena is SPOT ON. Southampton has a lot to offer...unfortunatel y some people seem to take it for granted and under-estimate how beautiful the City IS. There are far worse places to live in the UK...please just be grateful. Thanks.its not whats need in mayflower park, this land was giving to the people off southampton, and has rules to, ie:- the park can not be closed more than 10 days a year for maintenance work, this time period is used for southampton boat show. it can not be built on. and must remain an open space for the people off southampton to use 24/7 (the foot gates must remain open at all times apart from the 10 days a year). failure to meet those condicion will result in the land being return back to the family that owns the freehold deeds, in whitch they have condicion to meet. i know one off the family that will have a say in this,that the land will return back to, and know she will not let any thing happen to the park has with the daughter who will take over her rule when the old lady finaly passes on. and yes i do know the council reregistered the land, but it dont mean a thing when the orginal deeds show up, and the condictions that are tied to the deeds.
teh
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10:14am Mon 11 May 09
OSPREYSAINT wrote:**** right where is the ice rink going? Shove it in there, simple.
Spot on Dazzz, another pipe dream that will be badly planned massively over budgeted, another drain on the taxpayers and another unfinished, unused eyesore, and where is the Ice Rink going? Will it see the end of the Boat Show as the available area is getting smaller?
Tommy News
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10:24am Mon 11 May 09
veracity
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veracity
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MikeMike
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dand_uk
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southy
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Ben Doone
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MikeMike wrote:Mike
Good idea but it will never happen, just like the other stuff they wanted to bring to Southampton - which never happened. If its put in Mayflower park, can you imagine the roads as people travel (in June say) to Isle of wight festival, Ikea, Town, to go on a cruise, and to go a concert along with 9,999 other people. It should be placed near the water but in a different area!
southy
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1:20pm Mon 11 May 09
Ben Doone
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2:29pm Mon 11 May 09
southy wrote:We have access to copies of the land sale. No mention is made of Dove's Boat yard.
nearly right ben, but dove's boat yard owned land there to, only half was sold. the other half was kept, that part became mayflower park, there was also a lido down on the foreshore. whitch was sold up and moved to a new location. barker and mills owned the land between doves and i think his name was hauton whitch was the waste land in between the dry dock and millbrook point lane, there use to be a chapel and a monastery there who owned the land down to the water front, before the railway went though it, the chapel was pulled down some time during the WW2, the boundry walls was still there till (about a foot high). till they turned millbrook road from a mono road to a duel carriage way in the late 60's
dannyfloyd
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southy
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Ben Doone
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southy
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Ben Doone
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southy
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Dazzz says...
9:30am Sun 10 May 09