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2:27pm Wednesday 11th June 2008
FLUORIDE could be added to Southampton's tap water even if a majority of residents say they do not want it.
Under the rules of the three-month consultation due to launch in August, health chiefs will not just look at how many people say yes or no to the controversial plans.
Instead they will also examine who has said what, and how they have arrived at their opinion.
It means that if people have said they are against the scheme, but have not relied on recognised scientific evidence to help form their conclusions, their views could be ignored.
The news comes just a day after the Daily Echo revealed results of our snapshot poll in which votes against fluoridation outnumbered those in favour by two to one.
We received more than 25,000 votes in our eight-day poll, designed to gauge residents' views ahead of the official consultation to be run by South Central Strategic Health Authority (SHA), which oversees healthcare in the region.
An overwhelming 67 per cent said they were against the fluoridation plans, but city health chiefs behind the scheme have already dismissed the results as unrepresentative of actual public opinion.
They point to an independent survey carried out earlier this year which showed more people are in favour of fluoridation than against it.
But even that ICM poll concluded that just 28 per cent of Southampton people questioned backed the scheme, compared with 22 per cent against.
Another 20 per cent said they neither supported or opposed fluoridation, with the rest saying they didn't know.
In March, Southampton's political health supremo, Cllr Ivan White, sponsored a city council motion backing a full consultation, which gained cross-party support.
The Cabinet member for health last night said he would be concerned if some opinions were discounted during that consultation process.
"Some people are against it on strong moral grounds that they don't agree with the state imposing something on them," said Cllr White.
"That is a legitimate reason for objecting, but it's not based on scientific data, so would that count?
"The body of evidence out there is completely contradictory. You could read both arguments and then make a decision, but it comes down to a personal preference if you accept one side or the other.
"All views should, in my opinion, be taken into account. It would be pretty judgmental to discount some views and not others.
"I would like to look at, and discuss, the way the consultation will proceed."
Department of Health rules for consultations say the SHA must look at "the extent of support for the proposal and the cogency of the arguments advanced".
That means if someone gives an opinion on the scheme, but then admits they don't know much about fluoridation, their views could be discounted.
The guidelines also say the SHA "cannot base its decision solely on a simple count of the representations for or against the proposal".
Instead, health chiefs must look at whether responses are "evidence-based", the quality of research they are founded on, the relevance of the health arguments, and the nature of the individual or body making the comment.
The rules say the SHA can only then approve the proposal if it "is satisfied that the health arguments in favour of proceeding with the proposal outweigh all arguments against proceeding".
SAINT BEAN, SOUTHAMPTON says...
3:29pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Freddy Flouride, Florida says...
3:32pm Wed 11 Jun 08
SAINT BEAN, SOUTHAMPTON says...
3:38pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Freddy Flouride wrote:
Hi guys, whats the big fuss? At least you guys can drink your tap water!!!!!!!!! We have bottled water and that probably has more "chemicals" in it. Any Flouride is harmless, its in Milk.
Water Expert, Water Testing HQ, Alantic Ocean. says...
3:43pm Wed 11 Jun 08
SAINT BEAN wrote:So why is it allowed in Toothpaste, milk, cream eggs, cheese, frosties and ketchup?
Freddy Flouride wrote: Hi guys, whats the big fuss? At least you guys can drink your tap water!!!!!!!!! We have bottled water and that probably has more "chemicals" in it. Any Flouride is harmless, its in Milk.What ever you gimp, do some research, I think youll find that its not harmless at all .
southy, redbridge says...
3:54pm Wed 11 Jun 08
hulla, baloo says...
4:17pm Wed 11 Jun 08
mary sparrowdancer, Fl(u)orida says...
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Brian Jackson, Pendle says...
4:41pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Iain, Lordshill says...
4:58pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Stacker, soton says...
5:13pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Iain wrote:Its regardless of what public say. There ya go mate better?
Two hours on, and still no sign of the last word in the headline. Is it stuck on Millbrokk Road East? Has the bloke on the motorbike nicked it? The tension's killing me.
Lets Get Protesting, Itchen says...
5:45pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Ian, bitterne park says...
6:01pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
7:09pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Bob444, Soton says...
10:00pm Wed 11 Jun 08
John, Salisbury says...
10:29pm Wed 11 Jun 08
James, Southampton says...
11:45pm Wed 11 Jun 08
Bob444 wrote:According to the NHS South Central website:
I think we need to know the identities of the people who will be deciding whether the toxin is or is not added to OUR drinking water. They shouldn't be allowed to remain anonymous. There's too little accountability in this country. So, who are they (names, please)?
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl USA says...
1:01am Thu 12 Jun 08
Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl USA says...
1:19am Thu 12 Jun 08
Steph Martins, Itchen says...
5:15am Thu 12 Jun 08
Ruth, Bitterne Park says...
8:30am Thu 12 Jun 08
SAINT BEAN, SOUTHAMPTON says...
10:36am Thu 12 Jun 08
Water Expert wrote:I think youre the "moron" you so called "water expert"! Nearly all of the comments that have been written on here are true facts about Fluoride i.e. Kidney damage. Its good to know that most people have an open mind on this situation. Ask your self why are the government and its agencies pushing this upon the public????????????
SAINT BEAN wrote:So why is it allowed in Toothpaste, milk, cream eggs, cheese, frosties and ketchup? I think you are the gimp, you have been ingesting it for many years and years, you drink on average 8 pints of water a day and the majority of you English, 1-4 pints, you will not get cancer from that. Moron.Freddy Flouride wrote: Hi guys, whats the big fuss? At least you guys can drink your tap water!!!!!!!!! We have bottled water and that probably has more "chemicals" in it. Any Flouride is harmless, its in Milk.What ever you gimp, do some research, I think youll find that its not harmless at all .
Adam, Portswood says...
11:35am Thu 12 Jun 08
Healthy Teeth, Southampton says...
5:42pm Thu 12 Jun 08
Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh says...
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Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh says...
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Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh says...
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Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh says...
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Carl Barron, Dorset says...
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JoeT, Ireland says...
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Jay, Essex says...
11:41am Sat 14 Jun 08
JoeT wrote:Cheers Joet
...a Total Ban on all our Exports of Wines and Spirits to other counties ?
Really? I wonder... All the Guinness drunk throughout Europe is brewed in Dublin, and it is fluoridated! They brew it using Dublin tap water. And they don't filter out the fluoride.
marion, woolston says...
12:24pm Sun 15 Jun 08
Isabelle, Soton says...
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P Griffiths, Andover says...
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southy, redbridge says...
3:23pm Wed 11 Jun 08