Southampton hospitals halt foundation bid (From Daily Echo)
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Southampton hospitals halt foundation bid
11:13am Friday 22nd January 2010 in
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- By Clare Kennedy » Health Reporter
A BID by hospital bosses in Southampton to break away from Government control has been delayed for the FIFTH time in as many years.
The latest setback is a bitter blow to bosses at Southampton General and Princess Anne Hospital who have ploughed tens of thousands of pounds into preparing for foundation trust status.
Mark Hackett, chief executive of Southampton University Hospitals NHS Trust, yesterday told all staff that the trust’s directors had postponed the application for 12 months.
Their decision comes after it emerged this week the trust would receive less money than expected for all of the patient care it provides.
Now the trust hopes to get its bid back on track once it has come to an agreement with its commissioners – NHS Southampton and NHS Hampshire – who pay for most patient services.
Mr Hackett yesterday told staff that if the application went ahead next month as planned, the trust would incur a poor financial risk rating and its freedom would be restricted.
He told the Daily Echo: “We hope to resume our application once we have agreed plans for our future that are affordable with our commissioners, who pay for the work we undertake.”
He added: “Despite this setback, we remain in a healthy financial balance and there is strong support for the continued development of worldclass specialist services here in Southampton.
“We have detailed plans in place to improve patient care in our hospitals over the next 12 months and further improve our satisfaction ratings.”
Hospital bosses say the new status would mean that they would be free from Government control, have more say over hospital finances, become more locally accountable and give people a say in how their hospitals are run.
The trust has already signed up 20,000 people as foundation trust members and last year a 17- strong members’ council was elected to help run Southampton General and Princess Anne hospitals.
The trust was one of the country’s first to bid for foundation trust status six years ago but dropped its application after losing its three star rating.
Its second attempt was deferred because of high MRSA rates and then delayed for a third time last April because of the recession.
Last autumn independent regulator Monitor said there had been a further delay leaving hospital bosses hoping to finally have foundation status by February 1.
Now those hopes have been dashed for a fifth time.
Nationwide there are 125 foundation trusts, including Salisbury and Basingstoke hospitals.
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Redback
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1:54pm Fri 22 Jan 10
southy wrote:No. Doctors are very expensively trained so that they can deliver patient care, not so that they can spend their hours untangling gordian knots of logistics and completing reams of paperwork. In fact, when medics are put in overall charge of services without the proper training and expertise, it's usually an unmitigated disaster. There was a case of this only a few months back in this paper. How short people's memories are.
do away with all trusts in the nhs, the trust board cost to much money and keeps making to many errors. put the control back in the hands of the doctors who know what they are doing and what the hospital needs.
southy
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2:05pm Fri 22 Jan 10
Redback wrote:thats why they use to work 10 times better when the doctors and nurses had control of there hospital.
southy wrote:No. Doctors are very expensively trained so that they can deliver patient care, not so that they can spend their hours untangling gordian knots of logistics and completing reams of paperwork. In fact, when medics are put in overall charge of services without the proper training and expertise, it's usually an unmitigated disaster. There was a case of this only a few months back in this paper. How short people's memories are.
do away with all trusts in the nhs, the trust board cost to much money and keeps making to many errors. put the control back in the hands of the doctors who know what they are doing and what the hospital needs.
doctors and nurses have not had control of there hospitals for few years now. and all this is, is a second tire of trusts
meerkat82
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3:07pm Fri 22 Jan 10
Redback
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3:20pm Fri 22 Jan 10
southy wrote:They used to work better back then - when waiting lists were 18 months instead of 18 weeks, and half the patients died whilst waiting for treatment? That was better? Really?
Redback wrote:thats why they use to work 10 times better when the doctors and nurses had control of there hospital.
southy wrote:No. Doctors are very expensively trained so that they can deliver patient care, not so that they can spend their hours untangling gordian knots of logistics and completing reams of paperwork. In fact, when medics are put in overall charge of services without the proper training and expertise, it's usually an unmitigated disaster. There was a case of this only a few months back in this paper. How short people's memories are.
do away with all trusts in the nhs, the trust board cost to much money and keeps making to many errors. put the control back in the hands of the doctors who know what they are doing and what the hospital needs.
doctors and nurses have not had control of there hospitals for few years now. and all this is, is a second tire of trusts
southy
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4:26pm Fri 22 Jan 10
Redback wrote:dont talk so much rubbish, i know 2 people who have been waiting for an op for nearly 3 years now. and back in the days before trusts the only time you be waitnig that long for was if the patients ask for a cancel and ask for another date,
southy wrote:They used to work better back then - when waiting lists were 18 months instead of 18 weeks, and half the patients died whilst waiting for treatment? That was better? Really?
Redback wrote:thats why they use to work 10 times better when the doctors and nurses had control of there hospital.
southy wrote:No. Doctors are very expensively trained so that they can deliver patient care, not so that they can spend their hours untangling gordian knots of logistics and completing reams of paperwork. In fact, when medics are put in overall charge of services without the proper training and expertise, it's usually an unmitigated disaster. There was a case of this only a few months back in this paper. How short people's memories are.
do away with all trusts in the nhs, the trust board cost to much money and keeps making to many errors. put the control back in the hands of the doctors who know what they are doing and what the hospital needs.
doctors and nurses have not had control of there hospitals for few years now. and all this is, is a second tire of trusts
all so go back even more like in the 70's waiting time was between 7 and 28 days
Redback
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8:38am Sat 23 Jan 10
southy wrote:Most of that is just patently untrue. You're either having recall difficulties or just being dishonest. I'll assume the former.
Redback wrote:dont talk so much rubbish, i know 2 people who have been waiting for an op for nearly 3 years now. and back in the days before trusts the only time you be waitnig that long for was if the patients ask for a cancel and ask for another date,
southy wrote:They used to work better back then - when waiting lists were 18 months instead of 18 weeks, and half the patients died whilst waiting for treatment? That was better? Really?
Redback wrote:thats why they use to work 10 times better when the doctors and nurses had control of there hospital.
southy wrote:No. Doctors are very expensively trained so that they can deliver patient care, not so that they can spend their hours untangling gordian knots of logistics and completing reams of paperwork. In fact, when medics are put in overall charge of services without the proper training and expertise, it's usually an unmitigated disaster. There was a case of this only a few months back in this paper. How short people's memories are.
do away with all trusts in the nhs, the trust board cost to much money and keeps making to many errors. put the control back in the hands of the doctors who know what they are doing and what the hospital needs.
doctors and nurses have not had control of there hospitals for few years now. and all this is, is a second tire of trusts
all so go back even more like in the 70's waiting time was between 7 and 28 days
southy
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11:30am Sat 23 Jan 10
Redback wrote:i could name the 2 people on here, they are friends that dont live to far away. thats been waiting now for nearly 3 years for an op. and its not uncommon, there is a number of people waiting just has long, i been told.
southy wrote:Most of that is just patently untrue. You're either having recall difficulties or just being dishonest. I'll assume the former.
Redback wrote:dont talk so much rubbish, i know 2 people who have been waiting for an op for nearly 3 years now. and back in the days before trusts the only time you be waitnig that long for was if the patients ask for a cancel and ask for another date,
southy wrote:They used to work better back then - when waiting lists were 18 months instead of 18 weeks, and half the patients died whilst waiting for treatment? That was better? Really?
Redback wrote:thats why they use to work 10 times better when the doctors and nurses had control of there hospital.
southy wrote:No. Doctors are very expensively trained so that they can deliver patient care, not so that they can spend their hours untangling gordian knots of logistics and completing reams of paperwork. In fact, when medics are put in overall charge of services without the proper training and expertise, it's usually an unmitigated disaster. There was a case of this only a few months back in this paper. How short people's memories are.
do away with all trusts in the nhs, the trust board cost to much money and keeps making to many errors. put the control back in the hands of the doctors who know what they are doing and what the hospital needs.
doctors and nurses have not had control of there hospitals for few years now. and all this is, is a second tire of trusts
all so go back even more like in the 70's waiting time was between 7 and 28 days
and in the 70's it was only 7 to 28 days, and the only time it was longer was if you ask for a later date.
one of the problems now days why people are having to wait longer is that a trust puts money before people, and another reason is that they allow private care jump the cue over NHS care.
things have only got worse since running hospitals was taken out of the doctors and nurses hands, and put into a trust hands.
all this is very very true, the NHS has been going down hill for at lest the last 25 years, it just gets worse each year.
if you want to find out the real truth of it all pop along to a TUSC meeting they have a number on unison members supporting it, ask then questions some off those unison members have been doing the job over 30 years.
Redback
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8:45pm Sat 23 Jan 10
havemercy
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12:59pm Sun 24 Jan 10
bravebeth
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3:52pm Tue 26 Jan 10
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southy says...
11:33am Fri 22 Jan 10