Only 13 per cent of GP surgeries involved in doctors' 'strike' (From Daily Echo)

Doctors are protesting that they are being asked to pay more, over a longer period, to receive less.

In my opinion, only those who would not complain if they were asked to do the same, have a right to criticize.

One sure thing, the ones in power that have come up with this plan will not be asked to work longer and pay more for less. They will be voted out at the next election.

Linesman wrote:
Doctors are protesting that they are being asked to pay more, over a longer period, to receive less.

In my opinion, only those who would not complain if they were asked to do the same, have a right to criticize.

One sure thing, the ones in power that have come up with this plan will not be asked to work longer and pay more for less. They will be voted out at the next election.

This would only effect new doctors & are you telling me that the general public are behind the doctors?
£54-64,000 pension. £89,000 lump sum payment when they retire.
I'd have thought that a lot of Labour/socialist supporters would have been on here talking about the greed of these rich people?
Linesman how can they moan about those pensions on top of state pensions?
Remember this is for the next batch not the present batch they're on £64,000+ pension £120,000+ lump sum yet they're putting peoples health at risk by striking do you honestly think this strike is right?

Yes, I always feel a great swell of sympathy when I see my GP driving around in his new Jag & the doctors car park at my local hospital contains lots of 2 seater sporty types, I have nothing but sympathy for the squalor and poor quality of life they find themselves in.

People are never happy with what they have.

£120,000 a year salary and a pension scheme of £68,000 a year and a one of payment of £140,000 tax free and all this by the age of 60...
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GET BACK TO WORK AND STOP WHINGING.

Linesman wrote:
Doctors are protesting that they are being asked to pay more, over a longer period, to receive less.

In my opinion, only those who would not complain if they were asked to do the same, have a right to criticize.

One sure thing, the ones in power that have come up with this plan will not be asked to work longer and pay more for less. They will be voted out at the next election.

I fully agree with Linesman.

Nobody should be surprised that the usual fans of the super rich and their Tory fig leafs, who justified tax rate reduction for the rich, while shamelessly cheering the imposition of granny tax and remain quite when some bosses pocketed over £20 million a year, will be out in force to condemn doctors action.

I only hope my current GP will be participating in this action, otherwise I will be very disappointed. My close friend who was my doctor before this one and has now retired is very progressive and often used to donate for various strike funds; if he had not retired he would most certainly have taken part in this action.

This government and its supporters have wrong priorities, they promote support and sympathise with those who have made the life of not only our nation but of most of the world miserable through their greed, but behave worse than even starved vultures when it comes to doctors and nurses who try to save and serve the human race.

Yes Linesman is right “Ones in power will not be asked to work longer for less”. I would like to add that, through our democratic process we the people should as soon as possible kick them out of office and put them out of work. Sooner the better, should not be leaving it for tomorrow as boot on their back side should have been delivered YESTERDAY and Cameron sent to same knackers’ yard where Brooks horse may have gone!

Linesman wrote:
Doctors are protesting that they are being asked to pay more, over a longer period, to receive less.

In my opinion, only those who would not complain if they were asked to do the same, have a right to criticize.

One sure thing, the ones in power that have come up with this plan will not be asked to work longer and pay more for less. They will be voted out at the next election.

I fully agree with Linesman.

Nobody should be surprised that the usual fans of the super rich and their Tory fig leafs, who justified tax rate reduction for the rich, while shamelessly cheering the imposition of granny tax and remain quite when some bosses pocketed over £20 million a year, will be out in force to condemn doctors action.

I only hope my current GP will be participating in this action, otherwise I will be very disappointed. My close friend who was my doctor before this one and has now retired is very progressive and often used to donate for various strike funds; if he had not retired he would most certainly have taken part in this action.

This government and its supporters have wrong priorities, they promote support and sympathise with those who have made the life of not only our nation but of most of the world miserable through their greed, but behave worse than even starved vultures when it comes to doctors and nurses who try to save and serve the human race.

Yes Linesman is right “Ones in power will not be asked to work longer for less”. I would like to add that, through our democratic process we the people should as soon as possible kick them out of office and put them out of work. Sooner the better, should not be leaving it for tomorrow as boot on their back side should have been delivered YESTERDAY and Cameron sent to same knackers’ yard where Brooks horse may have gone!

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Linesman wrote:
Doctors are protesting that they are being asked to pay more, over a longer period, to receive less.

In my opinion, only those who would not complain if they were asked to do the same, have a right to criticize.

One sure thing, the ones in power that have come up with this plan will not be asked to work longer and pay more for less. They will be voted out at the next election.

I fully agree with Linesman.

Nobody should be surprised that the usual fans of the super rich and their Tory fig leafs, who justified tax rate reduction for the rich, while shamelessly cheering the imposition of granny tax and remain quite when some bosses pocketed over £20 million a year, will be out in force to condemn doctors action.

I only hope my current GP will be participating in this action, otherwise I will be very disappointed. My close friend who was my doctor before this one and has now retired is very progressive and often used to donate for various strike funds; if he had not retired he would most certainly have taken part in this action.

This government and its supporters have wrong priorities, they promote support and sympathise with those who have made the life of not only our nation but of most of the world miserable through their greed, but behave worse than even starved vultures when it comes to doctors and nurses who try to save and serve the human race.

Yes Linesman is right “Ones in power will not be asked to work longer for less”. I would like to add that, through our democratic process we the people should as soon as possible kick them out of office and put them out of work. Sooner the better, should not be leaving it for tomorrow as boot on their back side should have been delivered YESTERDAY and Cameron sent to same knackers’ yard where Brooks horse may have gone!

Same old clap trap then.

Do people with more wealth than you have fan clubs then? That's a new one on me, where can I sign up?

Had GP's not had a massive pay rise and hours cut in the past 10 years I'd have had more sympathy.

Forget all the political garbage spouted by the usual suspects and just look at the figures and anybody with an ounce of common sense can see they are on a good deal,everybody has been told they have to work longer so i see no reason why doctors should be any different. Hands up all of those that wouldn't want a pay and pension package like the doctors.

The Salv wrote:
£120,000 a year salary and a pension scheme of £68,000 a year and a one of payment of £140,000 tax free and all this by the age of 60...
.
GET BACK TO WORK AND STOP WHINGING.

How does it compare with your own Pension arrangements? I retire in September and am getting really bogged down in the minefield of financial arrangements, problem is that I am not a rich GP, just someone who has payed in full, over a 48 year career and I don't seem to be getting much in return! However I don't begrudge anyone else for being better off than me, that is just the way the cookie crumbles.

ohec wrote:
Forget all the political garbage spouted by the usual suspects and just look at the figures and anybody with an ounce of common sense can see they are on a good deal,everybody has been told they have to work longer so i see no reason why doctors should be any different. Hands up all of those that wouldn't want a pay and pension package like the doctors.

Putting my hand up, but it won't change anything, how long before you retire and have you made proper arrangements for your own financial security? Not everyone is in a position to do so, but then again they shouldn't criticise those that can. Criticism of Unions is rife but at least they are standing up for workers rights, otherwise these people would have been trampled underfoot by scrooge management. As in all things there should common sense in all negotiations. We keep hearing that times are hard, well, not for everyone it seems.

When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

The Salv wrote: £120,000 a year salary and a pension scheme of £68,000 a year and a one of payment of £140,000 tax free and all this by the age of 60... . GET BACK TO WORK AND STOP WHINGING.

How does it compare with your own Pension arrangements? I retire in September and am getting really bogged down in the minefield of financial arrangements, problem is that I am not a rich GP, just someone who has payed in full, over a 48 year career and I don't seem to be getting much in return! However I don't begrudge anyone else for being better off than me, that is just the way the cookie crumbles.

I have no pension, my father had private pensions that are now worth nothing. The only people that seem to be getting good pensions are in the Public sector and they seem to be striking over them, it's crazy.
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One of the reasons I left a comfortable perm job and started up as a sole trader. I am earning good money but I really dont know what the future holds for me.

The Salv wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

The Salv wrote: £120,000 a year salary and a pension scheme of £68,000 a year and a one of payment of £140,000 tax free and all this by the age of 60... . GET BACK TO WORK AND STOP WHINGING.

How does it compare with your own Pension arrangements? I retire in September and am getting really bogged down in the minefield of financial arrangements, problem is that I am not a rich GP, just someone who has payed in full, over a 48 year career and I don't seem to be getting much in return! However I don't begrudge anyone else for being better off than me, that is just the way the cookie crumbles.

I have no pension, my father had private pensions that are now worth nothing. The only people that seem to be getting good pensions are in the Public sector and they seem to be striking over them, it's crazy.
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One of the reasons I left a comfortable perm job and started up as a sole trader. I am earning good money but I really dont know what the future holds for me.

Interestingly, I worked for a time as a lorry driver and for a similar time as a Local Government Officer. The lower percentage contribution from my higher lorry driver pay has produced a similar pension to that generated by my higher percentage contribution from the lower LGO pay.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Loosehead, Like you, I am not sheep. But I can and will change my opinion on parties as they develope. This is my choice and my right as a voter and UK Tax payer.

I'm not stuck with any party and to be fair none of the current bunch tickle my fancy.

If I had a choice today, I would choose Conservative without Libdem coalition, so they could crack on and get things done without moaners.

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Loosehead, Like you, I am not sheep. But I can and will change my opinion on parties as they develope. This is my choice and my right as a voter and UK Tax payer.

I'm not stuck with any party and to be fair none of the current bunch tickle my fancy.

If I had a choice today, I would choose Conservative without Libdem coalition, so they could crack on and get things done without moaners.

IronLady this post was not an attack on you or any other poster besides Inform Al.
I'm sure you couldn't switch allegiances from say the Tory party to say TUSC as that would be one hell of a change wouldn't it? this guy can switch from a very Anti EU party on the right of politics to a very left wing sounding party of local Labour ? sorry I can't see most voters doing that.
Also the switching of parties wasn't why I've called him a liar, Ironlady you want to read some of his past posts to see exactly what type of man he is

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.

who advised you? A solicitor ?

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Loosehead, Like you, I am not sheep. But I can and will change my opinion on parties as they develope. This is my choice and my right as a voter and UK Tax payer.

I'm not stuck with any party and to be fair none of the current bunch tickle my fancy.

If I had a choice today, I would choose Conservative without Libdem coalition, so they could crack on and get things done without moaners.

Ironlady this is the reply he gave me & this isn't as bad as many of his replies have been.
Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.
I have a lot in common with UKIP but if he's anything to go by I could not vote for them.

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote: Doctors are protesting that they are being asked to pay more, over a longer period, to receive less. In my opinion, only those who would not complain if they were asked to do the same, have a right to criticize. One sure thing, the ones in power that have come up with this plan will not be asked to work longer and pay more for less. They will be voted out at the next election.

This would only effect new doctors & are you telling me that the general public are behind the doctors? £54-64,000 pension. £89,000 lump sum payment when they retire. I'd have thought that a lot of Labour/socialist supporters would have been on here talking about the greed of these rich people? Linesman how can they moan about those pensions on top of state pensions? Remember this is for the next batch not the present batch they're on £64,000+ pension £120,000+ lump sum yet they're putting peoples health at risk by striking do you honestly think this strike is right?

Well said. Doctors have got very greedy, having in recent years received ridiculously high earnings as a result of, eg, achieving government targets (so focusing on those at the expense of other patient care). EG every time I visited a doctor's surgery over a few years, I was given a blood pressure check (presumably because GPs earned more by meeting a target on this). I assume that target no longer applies as my blood pressure hasn't been taken for the last year or more. Funny that ....!
Also, when did anyone have a doctor come out to them at home, let alone one from their surgery? Not for the last 20 years, in my case! GPs have cushy jobs now and it's no wonder so many of them work part time hours (for a full time salary!).
Make the public sector the same as the private sector and let doctors contribute what they want to get the amount of pension they want, with a small percentage contribution from their employer - us! Take away the current scheme for ALL doctors and private sector workers and stop ****-footing around just because the threat of strikes.
We had to put up with the loss of good pensions in the private sector - including in pensions' providing companies! - many years ago. Many people from the private sector will retire on next to nothing, despite their contributions over many years, with State pension for women like myself being delayed at least 7 years (and no time for us to build up any extra pension to cover that gap). Time for the public sector to suffer like the rest of us. Simple!

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.

Duff advice, you stand a better chance of winning the argument against a fool rather than a smart*rse!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.

Duff advice, you stand a better chance of winning the argument against a fool rather than a smart*rse!

Osprey read some of the Labour party posters on that guy they call him part of the infamous five.
I'm not a smart a*ss but just read some of his posts.

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Despite your misfortunes you seem to have done well with your arrangements, I am just on the point of retirement and have not been too clever saving wise, the Pension financing is a real minefield, trying to work out the best way to spread it out, so that I don't end up paying Income Tax e.t.c. I have never been wealthy and never will be but I cannot bring myself to be envious of those that are better off, most have worked to get that way.

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.

Duff advice, you stand a better chance of winning the argument against a fool rather than a smart*rse!

Osprey read some of the Labour party posters on that guy they call him part of the infamous five.
I'm not a smart a*ss but just read some of his posts.

Can't be fussed, you seem to be quite intelligent so I don't put you in either bracket.

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Loosehead, Like you, I am not sheep. But I can and will change my opinion on parties as they develope. This is my choice and my right as a voter and UK Tax payer.

I'm not stuck with any party and to be fair none of the current bunch tickle my fancy.

If I had a choice today, I would choose Conservative without Libdem coalition, so they could crack on and get things done without moaners.

Ironlady this is the reply he gave me & this isn't as bad as many of his replies have been.
Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.
I have a lot in common with UKIP but if he's anything to go by I could not vote for them.

Couldn't vote UKIP in a full election because they are a one trick pony, no harm using them as a point maker, protest vote.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Oh dear, so our MPs pay is cut by them having to go legal at last. Perhaps the GPs should sell drugs to cretins to cover the abuse by parliament. Actually I don't know of one GP that would stoop as low as a politician. They got their pay and conditions through hard work at uni with long antisocial hours to follow as junior doctors. I for one am not envious of their pay and am very much on their side.

How do feel about the six MPs who hold General Practitioner qualifications?

They've probably let the side down, or gone to the house for a rest.

Didn't I read something about you in the paper a while ago? are you squeaky clean?
I would have considered voting UKIP until I read some of your posts.
Do the local branch of UKIP know how much damage your doing to their chances of gaining votes in this city?

Such a pity you cannot discuss without making untrue inferences, yes I am squeaky clean. I don't give a t$ss who you vote for as you will never get it right anyway. As you are so keen to defend Tory misrule I think I can take it for granted that you are one of Ca moron's sheep.

I'm not a sheep but I don't switch sides as often as you seem to.
One minute a UKIP anti European then a hard line Labour supporter you've got two faces & neither of them are honest are they?
Boris Johnson .You Know that Tory London Mayor has managed to get £ 500 for each bus driver to do the job they're paid to do if it stops them striking what has Unite done?
did they call off the strike? did they accept that money & the extra the bus companies have offered as well? No they're going on with a satrike that is way out of order as is the Doctors strike but I guess you will blame David Cameron for it won't you? what a waste of space you are more truth comes out of Southy than you have ever said from a straightforward talking person to a two faced liar goodbye

Loosehead, Like you, I am not sheep. But I can and will change my opinion on parties as they develope. This is my choice and my right as a voter and UK Tax payer.

I'm not stuck with any party and to be fair none of the current bunch tickle my fancy.

If I had a choice today, I would choose Conservative without Libdem coalition, so they could crack on and get things done without moaners.

Ironlady this is the reply he gave me & this isn't as bad as many of his replies have been.
Yes,I was advised a long time ago not to argue with a fool, so this is my last comment on the subject, to you anyway.
I have a lot in common with UKIP but if he's anything to go by I could not vote for them.

Couldn't vote UKIP in a full election because they are a one trick pony, no harm using them as a point maker, protest vote.

Did you watch the Andrew Marr show today?
Tony Blair wants Europe to have one Government one Language etc;
How can Inform Al be pro UKIP & then a Labour supporter if this is what the Labour party wants?
For UKIP to improve on their share of the vote they need a better quality of candidates(down here) & they need to show their plans for this countries future outside of the EU.
If they show there's indeed a future outside ( I believe there is) then there vote will indeed increase.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
When the MPs cut their pay, pensions and expenses I might listen to their demands on the quacks, until then we should support all their victims, regardless of how well off they appear compared to ourselves.

Good point, well put.

Osprey I had my pension all in place but I of course would like more so I put £38,000 of my redundancy pay into my pension scheme.
I now get £16,000 a year from one & £1,700 a year from the other,
unless I can find a job where I don't have to read small print with out glasses I can't improve on my earnings.
I pay a mortgage & all my bills I'm buying a car & saving money.
Doctors with 10years to retirement won't see the reduction.
But please don't tell me you listen to Inform Al.
these people will be on 3 times my pension plus receive a huge lump sum which they could use to increase their pensions as I did.
If I'm not wrong the MP's have in fact had their conditions cut in the form of expenses & accommodation which was put in place to stop high increases in their wages by Maggie Thatcher & as we know they abused it,
but all of those have now been slashed so in effect giving them a pay cut.

Despite your misfortunes you seem to have done well with your arrangements, I am just on the point of retirement and have not been too clever saving wise, the Pension financing is a real minefield, trying to work out the best way to spread it out, so that I don't end up paying Income Tax e.t.c. I have never been wealthy and never will be but I cannot bring myself to be envious of those that are better off, most have worked to get that way.

Osprey through extremely heavy smoking my mother left some of her children with ailments & instead of twins she ended up with a child that once born died & the other when born on an incubator.
This made me very Anti smoking but 6months out of work being told we've lost your papers & you have some redundancy pay to live on I was offered a job at BAT.
I put aside my principles & went to work there.
I see many young people not wanting to do farm work not wanting manual meaningless jobs & happy to be on the dole.
I was told get a job & then start looking for the job of your dreams but find work first.
BAT would give me a well paid job.they were producing a legal product.
people wanted that product so I looked at it as that's their choice & I worked hard & the end result was a half decent pension.
looking around at people who won't work & knowing I was paying at least £500 a month just in tax annoyed me & made my mind up on my political point of view.
But I have since worked in low paid shop work & I can't honestly see why if you have 10 years to go so are not being effected your striking or how £58-£64,000 plus £89,000 lump sum is a bad deal?