Foreign patients not paying hospital bills (From Daily Echo)

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Taskforce 141 wrote:
The fact that people travel to the UK simply to visit a hospital and get free treatment suggests that this a wide spread problem and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. It's disgraceful especially when I know of British people having to wait months and in some cases years to receive the hospital appointment they need, but any tom, dick and harry from any other country seem to get in and out without little bother.

Sort it out before the NHS collapses and we will all be on the street without treatment!

Taskforce 141 wrote:
The fact that people travel to the UK simply to visit a hospital and get free treatment suggests that this a wide spread problem and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. It's disgraceful especially when I know of British people having to wait months and in some cases years to receive the hospital appointment they need, but any tom, dick and harry from any other country seem to get in and out without little bother.

Sort it out before the NHS collapses and we will all be on the street without treatment!

Georgem wrote:
Sweden recently DECIDED to grant illegal immigrants the same health care as nationals. Say what you like about our Scandinavian friends, they know how to run a country.

elvisimo wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Sweden recently DECIDED to grant illegal immigrants the same health care as nationals. Say what you like about our Scandinavian friends, they know how to run a country.

I dont think this article is about illegal immigrants. It applies to foreign visitors, of all types who use our health service and then dissapear.

If it were the cost for the uk would be much higher than that of the likes of Sweden. - Sweden has between 80 - 100,000 illegal imigrants and we have anything up to 600,000.
Sweden have offered the same health care to immigrants up to the age of 18 and subsidised healthcare for urgent medical conditions for those over 18.

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Linesman wrote:

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Which means they would not be able to leave the country.

Do you think that they would be

a) Left to starve to death or do you think that

b) They would be taken care of by the state?

If a) Who do you think would pay for their funerals?

if b) The tax-payer pays.

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Which means they would not be able to leave the country.

Do you think that they would be

a) Left to starve to death or do you think that

b) They would be taken care of by the state?

If a) Who do you think would pay for their funerals?

if b) The tax-payer pays.

Simple. We MAKE them pay.

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Which means they would not be able to leave the country.

Do you think that they would be

a) Left to starve to death or do you think that

b) They would be taken care of by the state?

If a) Who do you think would pay for their funerals?

if b) The tax-payer pays.

Simple. We MAKE them pay.

How do you propose to do that if they have no money or assets in this country?

hulla baloo wrote:
I would think a system could be in place that all the 'health tourists' that come here, along with foreign nationals that need emergency health care, and not in a position to pay, then the bills are sent to their respective embassies in this country. As for illegals with no visa, give them basic care and deport upon leaving hospital.

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Which means they would not be able to leave the country.

Do you think that they would be

a) Left to starve to death or do you think that

b) They would be taken care of by the state?

If a) Who do you think would pay for their funerals?

if b) The tax-payer pays.

Simple. We MAKE them pay.

How do you propose to do that if they have no money or assets in this country?

Not my problem.

(hint: I know we can't make them pay. I'm pre-empting the inevitable poorly thought-out answers)

hulla baloo wrote:
I would think a system could be in place that all the 'health tourists' that come here, along with foreign nationals that need emergency health care, and not in a position to pay, then the bills are sent to their respective embassies in this country. As for illegals with no visa, give them basic care and deport upon leaving hospital.

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Which means they would not be able to leave the country.

Do you think that they would be

a) Left to starve to death or do you think that

b) They would be taken care of by the state?

If a) Who do you think would pay for their funerals?

if b) The tax-payer pays.

Simple. We MAKE them pay.

How do you propose to do that if they have no money or assets in this country?

Not my problem.

(hint: I know we can't make them pay. I'm pre-empting the inevitable poorly thought-out answers)

It is your ( and our problem) if there are money shortages, and longer waiting lists for genuine citizens of this country. How would you feel if your long awaited operation keeps getting cancelled because foreigners/illegals jump the queue?

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought according to the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Star and assorted right wing Tory nuts ,"Johnny Foreigner" was claiming benefits to use the NHS or is this legend just the usual right wing rubbish?
.
Its just not cricket!!

solomum wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
The fact that people travel to the UK simply to visit a hospital and get free treatment suggests that this a wide spread problem and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. It's disgraceful especially when I know of British people having to wait months and in some cases years to receive the hospital appointment they need, but any tom, dick and harry from any other country seem to get in and out without little bother.

Sort it out before the NHS collapses and we will all be on the street without treatment!

If you were in need of treatment to save your life, you could not afford it in your country and you knew it was free in another country, would you not travel there to get the treatment? Health is not a luxury, but a basic human need and people will do what they need to in order to get access to quality health care. We are fortunate to live in a country where health care is at our disposal. Others are not so fortunate.

southy wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought according to the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Star and assorted right wing Tory nuts ,"Johnny Foreigner" was claiming benefits to use the NHS or is this legend just the usual right wing rubbish?
.
Its just not cricket!!

Yes I know, its been the Right wing aka the Capitalist lot who have been painting this false picture for years, just to keep people diveded, So they can blame the immigrants and keep they mind diverted for the real truth and the real matter,
I been telling people this is not the case for a very long time, and all I got was I was talking rubbish ect, and like I said before I have time on my Socialist side for articals like this to come up sooner or later.
The NHS was intended to be a untied international one, but with only countrys with the same sort of system, Health Insurence hate these sort of Helath Services because they can't make money, not even when you go aboard if this system was world wide, and is one of the reasons why they are out to run the NHS down and stop it from becoming a world wide system, for every over seas person that had to use our health system for an emergency would end up going back to there country and start telling others, and would start wanting there country to have the same system, and this was working up the 1980's, when the run down of the NHS started and bits where started to be sold off to the private sector.

Georgem wrote:
Sweden recently DECIDED to grant illegal immigrants the same health care as nationals. Say what you like about our Scandinavian friends, they know how to run a country.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Sweden recently DECIDED to grant illegal immigrants the same health care as nationals. Say what you like about our Scandinavian friends, they know how to run a country.

Theres a lot of Socialism Policys in Sweden, There political policy is the one that Thatcher replace in 1979, up to the end of the Labour Government in 1979 we had a Keynsain economics and political policy, (this is what Sweden still as in place), Thatcher change that to Neo-Liberbalism and Neo-Nationalism the same as we had before 1945, the failed system of the 1920's and 1930's that lead us to world war 2.

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Which means they would not be able to leave the country.

Do you think that they would be

a) Left to starve to death or do you think that

b) They would be taken care of by the state?

If a) Who do you think would pay for their funerals?

if b) The tax-payer pays.

Simple. We MAKE them pay.

How do you propose to do that if they have no money or assets in this country?

Not my problem.

(hint: I know we can't make them pay. I'm pre-empting the inevitable poorly thought-out answers)

It is your ( and our problem) if there are money shortages, and longer waiting lists for genuine citizens of this country. How would you feel if your long awaited operation keeps getting cancelled because foreigners/illegals jump the queue?

*sigh* re-read the post, and come back when you understand it.

southy wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought according to the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Star and assorted right wing Tory nuts ,"Johnny Foreigner" was claiming benefits to use the NHS or is this legend just the usual right wing rubbish?
.
Its just not cricket!!

Yes I know, its been the Right wing aka the Capitalist lot who have been painting this false picture for years, just to keep people diveded, So they can blame the immigrants and keep they mind diverted for the real truth and the real matter,
I been telling people this is not the case for a very long time, and all I got was I was talking rubbish ect, and like I said before I have time on my Socialist side for articals like this to come up sooner or later.
The NHS was intended to be a untied international one, but with only countrys with the same sort of system, Health Insurence hate these sort of Helath Services because they can't make money, not even when you go aboard if this system was world wide, and is one of the reasons why they are out to run the NHS down and stop it from becoming a world wide system, for every over seas person that had to use our health system for an emergency would end up going back to there country and start telling others, and would start wanting there country to have the same system, and this was working up the 1980's, when the run down of the NHS started and bits where started to be sold off to the private sector.

hulla baloo wrote:
And while we are on the topic, why should the NHS pick up the tab for vanity operations like private boob jobs that went wrong? Wonder what the figures ( no pun intended) are for that?

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought according to the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Star and assorted right wing Tory nuts ,"Johnny Foreigner" was claiming benefits to use the NHS or is this legend just the usual right wing rubbish?
.
Its just not cricket!!

Yes I know, its been the Right wing aka the Capitalist lot who have been painting this false picture for years, just to keep people diveded, So they can blame the immigrants and keep they mind diverted for the real truth and the real matter,
I been telling people this is not the case for a very long time, and all I got was I was talking rubbish ect, and like I said before I have time on my Socialist side for articals like this to come up sooner or later.
The NHS was intended to be a untied international one, but with only countrys with the same sort of system, Health Insurence hate these sort of Helath Services because they can't make money, not even when you go aboard if this system was world wide, and is one of the reasons why they are out to run the NHS down and stop it from becoming a world wide system, for every over seas person that had to use our health system for an emergency would end up going back to there country and start telling others, and would start wanting there country to have the same system, and this was working up the 1980's, when the run down of the NHS started and bits where started to be sold off to the private sector.

Give it a rest, southy. Not everyone wants every story turned into some anti-capitalist propaganda extravaganza.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought according to the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Star and assorted right wing Tory nuts ,"Johnny Foreigner" was claiming benefits to use the NHS or is this legend just the usual right wing rubbish?
.
Its just not cricket!!

Yes I know, its been the Right wing aka the Capitalist lot who have been painting this false picture for years, just to keep people diveded, So they can blame the immigrants and keep they mind diverted for the real truth and the real matter,
I been telling people this is not the case for a very long time, and all I got was I was talking rubbish ect, and like I said before I have time on my Socialist side for articals like this to come up sooner or later.
The NHS was intended to be a untied international one, but with only countrys with the same sort of system, Health Insurence hate these sort of Helath Services because they can't make money, not even when you go aboard if this system was world wide, and is one of the reasons why they are out to run the NHS down and stop it from becoming a world wide system, for every over seas person that had to use our health system for an emergency would end up going back to there country and start telling others, and would start wanting there country to have the same system, and this was working up the 1980's, when the run down of the NHS started and bits where started to be sold off to the private sector.

Give it a rest, southy. Not everyone wants every story turned into some anti-capitalist propaganda extravaganza.

Its not Propaganda at all, its what is really going on.
The main real reason why we have a long waiting list and people operations being cancelled- Its because of Private Health Care and not just from the UK, Private Health Care from all round the world, Private Health care cue jumps the NHS patients cues and comes first in NHS sevices, Private Health Care should use there own Hospitals, Staff, beds and gear or join the waiting list with all the other NHS patients

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:
And while we are on the topic, why should the NHS pick up the tab for vanity operations like private boob jobs that went wrong? Wonder what the figures ( no pun intended) are for that?

Why SHOULDN'T they? It's no different to picking up the tab for a skiing accident. Once we start saying "No, I don't think you're entitled to the health care you've paid for" it's no longer an NHS.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Sweden recently DECIDED to grant illegal immigrants the same health care as nationals. Say what you like about our Scandinavian friends, they know how to run a country.

Theres a lot of Socialism Policys in Sweden, There political policy is the one that Thatcher replace in 1979, up to the end of the Labour Government in 1979 we had a Keynsain economics and political policy, (this is what Sweden still as in place), Thatcher change that to Neo-Liberbalism and Neo-Nationalism the same as we had before 1945, the failed system of the 1920's and 1930's that lead us to world war 2.

I don't care.

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:
And while we are on the topic, why should the NHS pick up the tab for vanity operations like private boob jobs that went wrong? Wonder what the figures ( no pun intended) are for that?

Why SHOULDN'T they? It's no different to picking up the tab for a skiing accident. Once we start saying "No, I don't think you're entitled to the health care you've paid for" it's no longer an NHS.

But if you have a private operation for vanity and personal reasons, not health or life threatening, why should that become an NHS issue?

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought according to the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Star and assorted right wing Tory nuts ,"Johnny Foreigner" was claiming benefits to use the NHS or is this legend just the usual right wing rubbish?
.
Its just not cricket!!

Yes I know, its been the Right wing aka the Capitalist lot who have been painting this false picture for years, just to keep people diveded, So they can blame the immigrants and keep they mind diverted for the real truth and the real matter,
I been telling people this is not the case for a very long time, and all I got was I was talking rubbish ect, and like I said before I have time on my Socialist side for articals like this to come up sooner or later.
The NHS was intended to be a untied international one, but with only countrys with the same sort of system, Health Insurence hate these sort of Helath Services because they can't make money, not even when you go aboard if this system was world wide, and is one of the reasons why they are out to run the NHS down and stop it from becoming a world wide system, for every over seas person that had to use our health system for an emergency would end up going back to there country and start telling others, and would start wanting there country to have the same system, and this was working up the 1980's, when the run down of the NHS started and bits where started to be sold off to the private sector.

Give it a rest, southy. Not everyone wants every story turned into some anti-capitalist propaganda extravaganza.

Its not Propaganda at all, its what is really going on.
The main real reason why we have a long waiting list and people operations being cancelled- Its because of Private Health Care and not just from the UK, Private Health Care from all round the world, Private Health care cue jumps the NHS patients cues and comes first in NHS sevices, Private Health Care should use there own Hospitals, Staff, beds and gear or join the waiting list with all the other NHS patients

When your every post contains a slagging off of "right wing capitalists" it most definitely IS propaganda.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Sweden recently DECIDED to grant illegal immigrants the same health care as nationals. Say what you like about our Scandinavian friends, they know how to run a country.

Theres a lot of Socialism Policys in Sweden, There political policy is the one that Thatcher replace in 1979, up to the end of the Labour Government in 1979 we had a Keynsain economics and political policy, (this is what Sweden still as in place), Thatcher change that to Neo-Liberbalism and Neo-Nationalism the same as we had before 1945, the failed system of the 1920's and 1930's that lead us to world war 2.

I don't care.

Well you should care the Economic and Political system matters alot, it the way things are run. More so when you praise another Country system with out knowing the reason why it is working.

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:
And while we are on the topic, why should the NHS pick up the tab for vanity operations like private boob jobs that went wrong? Wonder what the figures ( no pun intended) are for that?

Why SHOULDN'T they? It's no different to picking up the tab for a skiing accident. Once we start saying "No, I don't think you're entitled to the health care you've paid for" it's no longer an NHS.

But if you have a private operation for vanity and personal reasons, not health or life threatening, why should that become an NHS issue?

The botched implants ARE life threatening. Why they were done is irrelevant, the fact is, the recipient's health is at risk.

The Watcher wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
The fact that people travel to the UK simply to visit a hospital and get free treatment suggests that this a wide spread problem and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. It's disgraceful especially when I know of British people having to wait months and in some cases years to receive the hospital appointment they need, but any tom, dick and harry from any other country seem to get in and out without little bother.

Sort it out before the NHS collapses and we will all be on the street without treatment!

Methinks you don't really understand the problem here. LOL.
.
I very much doubt someone travels to this country to have a serious accident & then require emergency treatment.
.
That would be some dedication just to be admitted to our fine NHS hospitals.
.
These people are not having hip or knee replacements, etc, but don't let that get in the way of a knee jerk rant.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:
Sweden recently DECIDED to grant illegal immigrants the same health care as nationals. Say what you like about our Scandinavian friends, they know how to run a country.

Theres a lot of Socialism Policys in Sweden, There political policy is the one that Thatcher replace in 1979, up to the end of the Labour Government in 1979 we had a Keynsain economics and political policy, (this is what Sweden still as in place), Thatcher change that to Neo-Liberbalism and Neo-Nationalism the same as we had before 1945, the failed system of the 1920's and 1930's that lead us to world war 2.

I don't care.

Well you should care the Economic and Political system matters alot, it the way things are run. More so when you praise another Country system with out knowing the reason why it is working.

I Do care about the system. I just don't care about your endless inane ramblings.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Hang on a minute!! I thought according to the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Star and assorted right wing Tory nuts ,"Johnny Foreigner" was claiming benefits to use the NHS or is this legend just the usual right wing rubbish?
.
Its just not cricket!!

Yes I know, its been the Right wing aka the Capitalist lot who have been painting this false picture for years, just to keep people diveded, So they can blame the immigrants and keep they mind diverted for the real truth and the real matter,
I been telling people this is not the case for a very long time, and all I got was I was talking rubbish ect, and like I said before I have time on my Socialist side for articals like this to come up sooner or later.
The NHS was intended to be a untied international one, but with only countrys with the same sort of system, Health Insurence hate these sort of Helath Services because they can't make money, not even when you go aboard if this system was world wide, and is one of the reasons why they are out to run the NHS down and stop it from becoming a world wide system, for every over seas person that had to use our health system for an emergency would end up going back to there country and start telling others, and would start wanting there country to have the same system, and this was working up the 1980's, when the run down of the NHS started and bits where started to be sold off to the private sector.

Give it a rest, southy. Not everyone wants every story turned into some anti-capitalist propaganda extravaganza.

Its not Propaganda at all, its what is really going on.
The main real reason why we have a long waiting list and people operations being cancelled- Its because of Private Health Care and not just from the UK, Private Health Care from all round the world, Private Health care cue jumps the NHS patients cues and comes first in NHS sevices, Private Health Care should use there own Hospitals, Staff, beds and gear or join the waiting list with all the other NHS patients

When your every post contains a slagging off of "right wing capitalists" it most definitely IS propaganda.

No its not It just telling you what is really going, things started to go wrong in this country ever since we went 100% Capitalism and that started in 1979.
Its Propaganda when what is really happening is hiden and a different picture is painted, thats whats beeing going on now for 30 years, a different picture being painted to cover up what is really going on and the cause of it, and its Capitalism that is the cause of it.

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

Georgem wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:
And while we are on the topic, why should the NHS pick up the tab for vanity operations like private boob jobs that went wrong? Wonder what the figures ( no pun intended) are for that?

Why SHOULDN'T they? It's no different to picking up the tab for a skiing accident. Once we start saying "No, I don't think you're entitled to the health care you've paid for" it's no longer an NHS.

But if you have a private operation for vanity and personal reasons, not health or life threatening, why should that become an NHS issue?

The botched implants ARE life threatening. Why they were done is irrelevant, the fact is, the recipient's health is at risk.

I agree, so invoice them afterwards, or are you happy to pay for breasts for another man ( or woman) to enjoy? ;)

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

You don't need to explain poppycock to me, I can see it a mile off.

Propaganda, Definition - 'information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions'

To a tee mate.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

You don't need to explain poppycock to me, I can see it a mile off.

Propaganda, Definition - 'information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions'

To a tee mate.

The Watcher wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
The fact that people travel to the UK simply to visit a hospital and get free treatment suggests that this a wide spread problem and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. It's disgraceful especially when I know of British people having to wait months and in some cases years to receive the hospital appointment they need, but any tom, dick and harry from any other country seem to get in and out without little bother.

Sort it out before the NHS collapses and we will all be on the street without treatment!

Methinks you don't really understand the problem here. LOL.
.
I very much doubt someone travels to this country to have a serious accident & then require emergency treatment.
.
That would be some dedication just to be admitted to our fine NHS hospitals.
.
These people are not having hip or knee replacements, etc, but don't let that get in the way of a knee jerk rant.

solomum wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
The fact that people travel to the UK simply to visit a hospital and get free treatment suggests that this a wide spread problem and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. It's disgraceful especially when I know of British people having to wait months and in some cases years to receive the hospital appointment they need, but any tom, dick and harry from any other country seem to get in and out without little bother.

Sort it out before the NHS collapses and we will all be on the street without treatment!

If you were in need of treatment to save your life, you could not afford it in your country and you knew it was free in another country, would you not travel there to get the treatment? Health is not a luxury, but a basic human need and people will do what they need to in order to get access to quality health care. We are fortunate to live in a country where health care is at our disposal. Others are not so fortunate.

acid drop wrote:

Huey wrote:
Surrender passport on admission?

if no passport to surrender then no treatment except the bare minimum

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

You don't need to explain poppycock to me, I can see it a mile off.

Propaganda, Definition - 'information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions'

To a tee mate.

But you miss the most important part its Capitalism that as 100% Control of the system as been now for 32 years and for them to keep it that way, they got to keep the false propaganda going, And I only telling what is, and what is going on that is not propaganda, Propaganda is used when your trying to hide some thing, and that is not what I am doing, I am giving information that people often over look.
You your self Shoong as been one of those that have blamed immigration for the state of the Health service of being over worked.
When in reality its where the private health system have been leaching on the NHS, plus the government starving it of the cash that is needed, just so the private sector can fill its pockets.

ju_ju68 wrote:
the above arguments aside, it seems to me that if Winchester hospital can collect money from their foreign patients, how come Southampton can't?
I realise Southampton is a bigger hospital, but it also has many more managers and staff, who's job is to sort out these kind of problems.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

You don't need to explain poppycock to me, I can see it a mile off.

Propaganda, Definition - 'information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions'

To a tee mate.

But you miss the most important part its Capitalism that as 100% Control of the system as been now for 32 years and for them to keep it that way, they got to keep the false propaganda going, And I only telling what is, and what is going on that is not propaganda, Propaganda is used when your trying to hide some thing, and that is not what I am doing, I am giving information that people often over look.
You your self Shoong as been one of those that have blamed immigration for the state of the Health service of being over worked.
When in reality its where the private health system have been leaching on the NHS, plus the government starving it of the cash that is needed, just so the private sector can fill its pockets.

No, southy, you missed the important part that is the actual words Shoong typed. No matter what someone posts, your response only bears relevance to it by coincidence at best. You have a list of responses you wish to give, and give them whenever you find a post addressed to you.

Explain how you posting propaganda is a response to Shoong defining propaganda. Answers in either English or Sikh are acceptable.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

You don't need to explain poppycock to me, I can see it a mile off.

Propaganda, Definition - 'information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions'

To a tee mate.

But you miss the most important part its Capitalism that as 100% Control of the system as been now for 32 years and for them to keep it that way, they got to keep the false propaganda going, And I only telling what is, and what is going on that is not propaganda, Propaganda is used when your trying to hide some thing, and that is not what I am doing, I am giving information that people often over look.
You your self Shoong as been one of those that have blamed immigration for the state of the Health service of being over worked.
When in reality its where the private health system have been leaching on the NHS, plus the government starving it of the cash that is needed, just so the private sector can fill its pockets.

No, southy, you missed the important part that is the actual words Shoong typed. No matter what someone posts, your response only bears relevance to it by coincidence at best. You have a list of responses you wish to give, and give them whenever you find a post addressed to you.

Explain how you posting propaganda is a response to Shoong defining propaganda. Answers in either English or Sikh are acceptable.

Propaganda is used in many ways, like highliting the working parts and not the parts that fail, or the other way round, it can also be used to hide a hiden agenda, by blaming a group that is not responable, like in this case the poor sevice in the NHS is due to immigration, how many years have it been now that the Capitalist have been blaming immigration on poor NHS service and that they taking up all the Jobs, when deliberity missing out the really reason why, like on this artical its private Health Care from overseas not paying there bill to the NHS, or jobs the real reason is industary was destoried in the 80's, so there is no more real jobs for people, you complain about people claiming unemployment benefit, but will not blame the real people who made them unployed.
Go a lot deeper go pass the smoke screens and mirrors of Capitalism propaganda, and you will start to see the real reasons, and not the false image that being put up. that is what propaganda is a false image. Capitalist are very good at that they all ways have been, but then again they been doing it for 1000's of years.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

You don't need to explain poppycock to me, I can see it a mile off.

Propaganda, Definition - 'information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions'

To a tee mate.

But you miss the most important part its Capitalism that as 100% Control of the system as been now for 32 years and for them to keep it that way, they got to keep the false propaganda going, And I only telling what is, and what is going on that is not propaganda, Propaganda is used when your trying to hide some thing, and that is not what I am doing, I am giving information that people often over look.
You your self Shoong as been one of those that have blamed immigration for the state of the Health service of being over worked.
When in reality its where the private health system have been leaching on the NHS, plus the government starving it of the cash that is needed, just so the private sector can fill its pockets.

No, southy, you missed the important part that is the actual words Shoong typed. No matter what someone posts, your response only bears relevance to it by coincidence at best. You have a list of responses you wish to give, and give them whenever you find a post addressed to you.

Explain how you posting propaganda is a response to Shoong defining propaganda. Answers in either English or Sikh are acceptable.

Propaganda is used in many ways, like highliting the working parts and not the parts that fail, or the other way round, it can also be used to hide a hiden agenda, by blaming a group that is not responable, like in this case the poor sevice in the NHS is due to immigration, how many years have it been now that the Capitalist have been blaming immigration on poor NHS service and that they taking up all the Jobs, when deliberity missing out the really reason why, like on this artical its private Health Care from overseas not paying there bill to the NHS, or jobs the real reason is industary was destoried in the 80's, so there is no more real jobs for people, you complain about people claiming unemployment benefit, but will not blame the real people who made them unployed.
Go a lot deeper go pass the smoke screens and mirrors of Capitalism propaganda, and you will start to see the real reasons, and not the false image that being put up. that is what propaganda is a false image. Capitalist are very good at that they all ways have been, but then again they been doing it for 1000's of years.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong do I need to do and A,B,C. to explain, or is it not obvious that any country that has a close health system like ours what happens. Like Georgem pointed out Sweden Health System is close to what we got, you can go to Sweden with out the need to pay out or worry that you have no cover if you fall ill, the Uk as agreement with Countrys like Sweden over Health matters that people can travel to each other countrys and not need health insurence, this is what was trying to be done, a type of world wide Health Care where you can travel and not worry about if your covered in medical care

You don't need to explain poppycock to me, I can see it a mile off.

Propaganda, Definition - 'information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions'

To a tee mate.

But you miss the most important part its Capitalism that as 100% Control of the system as been now for 32 years and for them to keep it that way, they got to keep the false propaganda going, And I only telling what is, and what is going on that is not propaganda, Propaganda is used when your trying to hide some thing, and that is not what I am doing, I am giving information that people often over look.
You your self Shoong as been one of those that have blamed immigration for the state of the Health service of being over worked.
When in reality its where the private health system have been leaching on the NHS, plus the government starving it of the cash that is needed, just so the private sector can fill its pockets.

No, southy, you missed the important part that is the actual words Shoong typed. No matter what someone posts, your response only bears relevance to it by coincidence at best. You have a list of responses you wish to give, and give them whenever you find a post addressed to you.

Explain how you posting propaganda is a response to Shoong defining propaganda. Answers in either English or Sikh are acceptable.

Propaganda is used in many ways, like highliting the working parts and not the parts that fail, or the other way round, it can also be used to hide a hiden agenda, by blaming a group that is not responable, like in this case the poor sevice in the NHS is due to immigration, how many years have it been now that the Capitalist have been blaming immigration on poor NHS service and that they taking up all the Jobs, when deliberity missing out the really reason why, like on this artical its private Health Care from overseas not paying there bill to the NHS, or jobs the real reason is industary was destoried in the 80's, so there is no more real jobs for people, you complain about people claiming unemployment benefit, but will not blame the real people who made them unployed.
Go a lot deeper go pass the smoke screens and mirrors of Capitalism propaganda, and you will start to see the real reasons, and not the false image that being put up. that is what propaganda is a false image. Capitalist are very good at that they all ways have been, but then again they been doing it for 1000's of years.

Most adults know when to can it when they've made a complete idiot of themselves.

It's never too late to learn new skills.

southy wrote:
Who wants to tell Shoong and Georgem what they are doing, apart from being very childish.

southy wrote:
Who wants to tell Shoong and Georgem what they are doing, apart from being very childish.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Who wants to tell Shoong and Georgem what they are doing, apart from being very childish.

I'd like to think we're exposing you on a website no-one really cares about as a liar and a hypocrite.

With evidence.

Good enough answer?

freefinker wrote:
Thatcher this.
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Thatcher that.
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1979.
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Right wing.
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aka.
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Failed system.
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Private sector can fill its pockets.
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No more real jobs for people.
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False image that being put up.
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100% control of the system.
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Now for 32 years.
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I am giving information that people often overlook.
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Leaching on the NHS.
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southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Who wants to tell Shoong and Georgem what they are doing, apart from being very childish.

I'd like to think we're exposing you on a website no-one really cares about as a liar and a hypocrite.

With evidence.

Good enough answer?

No your not you given out your own kind of propaganda and trying to suppress other points that you do not want people to know.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Who wants to tell Shoong and Georgem what they are doing, apart from being very childish.

I'd like to think we're exposing you on a website no-one really cares about as a liar and a hypocrite.

With evidence.

Good enough answer?

No your not you given out your own kind of propaganda and trying to suppress other points that you do not want people to know.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Who wants to tell Shoong and Georgem what they are doing, apart from being very childish.

I'd like to think we're exposing you on a website no-one really cares about as a liar and a hypocrite.

With evidence.

Good enough answer?

No your not you given out your own kind of propaganda and trying to suppress other points that you do not want people to know.

Disagreeing with someone isn't "suppressing" their opinion. When you use endless tricks to wriggle out of proving anything you say;

when you put vast amounts of effort into discrediting other people by including the words "I don't do unlike Georgem and Shoong", or "you're a bit thick aren't you" or "maybe when you know as much as me come back", or any other set of words designed specifically to make the person you're addressing look dishonest to people who aren't aware of your tactics;

when you lie extensively about laws then pretend later that you provided evidence for their existence;

when you repeatedly accuse anyone who disagrees with you of "far right propaganda";

when you simply invent sources for information you made up, when you weave endless webs of lies to make yourself appear the only knowledgeable person on this site, whilst simultaneously using every trolling tactic under the sun to make everyone else seem like they're blustering know-nothing idiots;

when you refuse to admit you're wrong about anything, ever, and will flat-out lie to cover your tracks;

when others provide evidence that is contrary to your own point, and you state that it has been falsified;

when you do all that, THAT is trying to suppress other points you do not want aired.

There are just some of the tactics you employ, repeatedly, to try and trick others commenting into believing you alone are correct, and everyone else is wrong. The mask is slipping. You've overplayed your hand. Your stupidity is going to haunt you here until you learn to discuss things rationally and evenly.