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Anger as schools are told to pay for road safety signs
7:18am Wednesday 19th September 2007
EDUCATION bosses in Hampshire have come under fire for asking schools to cover the cost of new signs urging drivers not to exceed 20mph outside the school gates.
Letters have gone out to all of the county's 570 infant, junior, primary, secondary and special schools asking if they would like to participate in the 20 is Plenty campaign.
Across Southampton the city council has paid for 20mph signs to be installed outside schools and the speed limits are legally enforceable.
Two signs featuring a blue and brown snail with the slogan "20 is plenty, please slow down" would set a school back £200, although the cost could be higher if extra signs are ordered.
However, critics say the county council - which came up with the idea - should pay for the signs themselves and make the speed limit legally enforceable rather than voluntary.
Prospective Liberal Democrat Parliamentary candidate for Winchester Martin Tod said: "These signs should be properly funded from the roads budget."
A council spokesman said charging schools would allow more to take part in the scheme.
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toxteth o'grady, S'ton says...
8:03am Wed 19 Sep 07
Parent wrote:Cause horses lives are more valued than childrens ??
New forest District Council has just spent £47,000 on speed indicators and new signs for rural roads, so why can't overstretch schools pay for these signs themselves. Not like they need to buy books or any thing like that. Mel Kendall hang your head in shame.
parent, says...
8:18am Wed 19 Sep 07
Cause horses lives are more valued than childrens ??
A Good question, but i bet Mel Kendall won't answer it. He's to busy getting ready for his next media interview.
tony, says...
8:32am Wed 19 Sep 07
Is the speed limit 20 or 30. Is the round circle an order or advisory?
What is wrong with the red triangle & children with school underneath?
or white paint on the road "SLOW" ?
Our villages are litteres with too many signs and psudo cycle lanes (ones with dotted lines in the carriageway)There are so many signs you have to ignore them.
Green Cross Code, says...
8:32am Wed 19 Sep 07
But I'm sure yet another sign at the side of the road will do the trick this time - even if all the other measures haven't in the past.
mangobean, Eastleigh says...
8:33am Wed 19 Sep 07
It is also a disgrace that the HCC came up with the idea and then want to charge for it. Whatever happened to being a CIVIL SERVANT?
Ian, Turkey says...
8:49am Wed 19 Sep 07
mangobean wrote:I agree. 20mph limit around any school.
I think 20mph should be the legal speed limit in the vacinity of any school, not just primary. It is also a disgrace that the HCC came up with the idea and then want to charge for it. Whatever happened to being a CIVIL SERVANT?
As I understand it, signs are the responsibility of the Council/Highways dept.
All they are doing is trying to save their budget and force the cost out of another budget.
Ýn answer to your question. I have a servant and he very civil, to me,my family and guests. (-:
GL, Hants says...
9:47am Wed 19 Sep 07
Ban all vehicles from within two miles of schools between 8.00 and 9.00 am, and then again between 3.00 and 4.00 pm.
No cars - no accidents - no deaths.
And as I live near a school, some of the children could do with the walk to prevent heart attacks when they reach their 20's.
Mind you, I would feel sorry for those people who live two miles from the school and then find their roads clogged up.
I know ... ban cars and any other mode of transport!
Derek, Dibden Purlieu says...
10:06am Wed 19 Sep 07
mangobean, Eastleigh says...
10:45am Wed 19 Sep 07
Toxteth O'Grady, s'ton says...
10:54am Wed 19 Sep 07
King Mush, Woolston says...
12:15pm Wed 19 Sep 07
I wouldnt object to time-set speed cameras on these roads at these times.
Some schools have easy access for dropping off and collecting the kids whilst others cause major problems on clogged roads etc.
Not helped by the massive numbers of one sprog being ferried about in a Chelsea Tractor and driven by an incompetent woman!!
They should use their feet more as the walk would do wonders for all fatties!
2 mile radius, says...
12:43pm Wed 19 Sep 07
Haven't really thought this one through, have you?
keith, test valley says...
12:46pm Wed 19 Sep 07
mangobean wrote:well said mangobean,but the problem i have come across, these signs will only be put up if there is enough response from the parents of the schools, but bear in mind even if its 20 mph outside the school they will still go by at 40
I think 20mph should be the legal speed limit in the vacinity of any school, not just primary. It is also a disgrace that the HCC came up with the idea and then want to charge for it. Whatever happened to being a CIVIL SERVANT?
Hugh Carres, says...
3:45pm Wed 19 Sep 07
Whatever happened to natural selection, evolution and survival of the fittest in our society ?
If we keep our kids wrapped in cotton wool they will not be fit for the big bad world once we cut the apron strings.
Kids need to learn how to cross roads etc. with normal traffic speeds and conditions. If they learn in artificial situations then the first time they cross a 'real' road they will misjudge their timing and have problems.
I don't have any myself, but isn't it about time we let kids grow up naturally.
mangobean, Eastleigh says...
4:35pm Wed 19 Sep 07
Hugh Carres wrote:I do have children and if the motorists could be trusted to drive appropriately at all times on all roads, then I would trust my children to cross safely as we have always taught them.
What a load of rot !!!! Whatever happened to natural selection, evolution and survival of the fittest in our society ? If we keep our kids wrapped in cotton wool they will not be fit for the big bad world once we cut the apron strings. Kids need to learn how to cross roads etc. with normal traffic speeds and conditions. If they learn in artificial situations then the first time they cross a 'real' road they will misjudge their timing and have problems. I don't have any myself, but isn't it about time we let kids grow up naturally.
As Keith says, people would still ignore a 20mph limit, but you have to try and protect the innocent.
anon, says...
4:46pm Wed 19 Sep 07
How many accidents will happen because the driver (male or female) is looking out for speed cameras and/or speed signs and not watching the road ?!
As for no one keeping to the speed limit, try getting the kids with the local police standing outside with the speed camera and then when caught speeding they have a choice....take the ticket/points/fine or take a lecture from the kids themselves about the danger of driving fast and show pictures of car accidents....works in some countries already before you mock.
Yes parents drive their kids to school then onto work....trouble is this means they are usually in a rush and they are late....
then the kids do need to walk if they live close enough, surely to God the parents can wake up 20 mins earlier to give enough time to walk there and back and then drive to work......most people live VERY close to the school they use.
Hugh Carres, says...
4:55pm Wed 19 Sep 07
mangobean wrote:You have missed the point here old chap, if we make the environment around schools a false one our kids will not become 'acclimatised' to the real dangers of road traffic.
Hugh Carres wrote:I do have children and if the motorists could be trusted to drive appropriately at all times on all roads, then I would trust my children to cross safely as we have always taught them.
What a load of rot !!!! Whatever happened to natural selection, evolution and survival of the fittest in our society ? If we keep our kids wrapped in cotton wool they will not be fit for the big bad world once we cut the apron strings. Kids need to learn how to cross roads etc. with normal traffic speeds and conditions. If they learn in artificial situations then the first time they cross a 'real' road they will misjudge their timing and have problems. I don't have any myself, but isn't it about time we let kids grow up naturally.
As Keith says, people would still ignore a 20mph limit, but you have to try and protect the innocent.
Drivers do drive 'appropriately' if that means slightly above the limit and relatively carelessly in non-school areas ! They can certainly be trusted to drive consistently badly on all roads - kids need to know this.
Pack away your cotton wool and let your kids take their chances !
Clincher, says...
6:16pm Wed 19 Sep 07
2 mile radius wrote:What a load of crap, so what are the people who need to are get to work within these hours supposed to do?
Banning cars within 2 miles of the school is great as long as there aren't any other houses or businesses within 2 miles which might also need car access. Haven't really thought this one through, have you?
What happens if there are elderly people or disabled whose carers need to get to there home? You can't put a hold on everyones life just for a school.
Cars have been allowed in and around schools for many years now so why change it now?
How will the teachers get to the school?
Yes walking is good exercise but with all the crime about I wouldn't want mine walking about, thank you.
Stupid idea!
Robert, says...
12:58am Thu 20 Sep 07
It's the local authority's job to assess the situation and act if necessary.
Next thing they'll be asking the school to pay for extra policemen round the entrance. That would be quite legal, it appears.
Wake up clincher, Sarcasm says...
8:51am Thu 20 Sep 07
Clincher wrote:Duh... that was my point, clincher.....the idea is a stupid one. I was being sarcastic about the earlier posts by people frothing with the excitment of the idea further up this thread.
2 mile radius wrote:What a load of crap, so what are the people who need to are get to work within these hours supposed to do?
Banning cars within 2 miles of the school is great as long as there aren\'t any other houses or businesses within 2 miles which might also need car access. Haven\'t really thought this one through, have you?
What happens if there are elderly people or disabled whose carers need to get to there home? You can\'t put a hold on everyones life just for a school.
Cars have been allowed in and around schools for many years now so why change it now?
How will the teachers get to the school?
Yes walking is good exercise but with all the crime about I wouldn\'t want mine walking about, thank you.
Stupid idea!
Clincher, says...
3:10pm Thu 20 Sep 07
Wake up clincher wrote:Duh....I was following on from your point.......
Clincher wrote:Duh... that was my point, clincher.....the idea is a stupid one. I was being sarcastic about the earlier posts by people frothing with the excitment of the idea further up this thread.2 mile radius wrote: Banning cars within 2 miles of the school is great as long as there aren\'t any other houses or businesses within 2 miles which might also need car access. Haven\'t really thought this one through, have you?What a load of crap, so what are the people who need to are get to work within these hours supposed to do? What happens if there are elderly people or disabled whose carers need to get to there home? You can\'t put a hold on everyones life just for a school. Cars have been allowed in and around schools for many years now so why change it now? How will the teachers get to the school? Yes walking is good exercise but with all the crime about I wouldn\'t want mine walking about, thank you. Stupid idea!
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Parent, out side a school says...
7:58am Wed 19 Sep 07