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11:05am Thursday 10th April 2008

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A HIGH-SPEED Solent waterbus connecting Southampton with Portsmouth has been proposed as part of a massive £2.6 billion upgrade of South Hampshire's transport network.

The £15m waterbus service would provide a new way of travelling between the cities and the county's transport chiefs say it will help ease congestion on the M27.

The radical idea is included in a wish-list of priority schemes drawn up by Transport for South Hampshire (TfSH) following an extensive review of the road, rail, bus and water networks.

TfSH chairman Councillor Mel Kendal said there was support from Hampshire, Southampton and Portsmouth councils for a waterbus service operating along the south coast.

"I'm quite keen on a waterbus running from Gosport or Portsmouth, all the way round and right up Southampton Water," he said.

"That's something I've got no doubt will occur in time. Once we have worked out a route and the feasibility it will be a question of going out to tender."

Cllr Kendall said an express service could operate between Southampton and Portsmouth at peak times for workers, while more intermediate stops at Hamble or Lee-on-the-Solent could be available through out the day.

He added: "I just can't believe that we haven't actually as a maritime nation done this already.

"I do know that the water can get pretty choppy at certain times of the year, but then that is no different to the ferry link between the Isle of Wight and Southampton."

Red Funnel trialled the route in 2003,with a trip from Southampton to Gosport lasting 35 minutes and a return ticket costing £10 per adult and £5 per child.

The ferry operator yesterday said it had no plans to reintroduce the service on a permanent basis.

However, one of the UK's leading suppliers of high-speed ferries said coastal cities across the country were looking to introduce highspeed waterbuses.

The spokesman for World Water Taxis said: "It's a quicker and easier way to get from A to B. If the boats are running efficiently it's better than having thousands of cars stood in a queue ticking over.

"Once you've got your boats there is next to zero maintenance infrastructure - you don't have to repair the water."

London has Britain's most extensive waterbus service, Thames Clipper, which carries more than 20,000 passengers per week up and down the River Thames.

Hampshire County Council deputy director of environment Stuart Jarvis said the viability of a Solent waterbus service would need to be studied.

"At this stage it's part of the overall strategy, given the geography of south Hampshire we are surrounded by water and have got to consider what opportunities there might be to move people around by water," Mr Jarvis said.

Also included in a new 20-year vision to keep the region moving is a plan to extend the M271 into the heart of the docks.

As revealed by the Daily Echo in January, freight trucks would access Southampton Container Terminal via a flyover or tunnel to bypass traffic snarl-ups at Redbridge and Millbrook roundabouts. There is also support for widening the M3 and M27 into four-lane super-highways. Under the scheme, the hard shoulder would become a fourth lane to help ease crippling bottlenecks.

However, there are currently no plans to introduce a London-style congestion charge any time soon.

The South East England Regional Development Agency (Seeda) will be approached to fund the multimillion- pound projects once feasibility studies have been carried out.

Cllr Kendal said the investment in transport infrastructure was vital if the region was expected to meet theGovernment's demand for 80,000 new homes by 2026.

Over the next two decades, Southampton will see the biggest increase in homes (16,300), followed by Winchester (12,240), Isle of Wight (10,400), Test Valley (9,520), Eastleigh (7,080), New Forest (4,140), Fareham (3,720) and Gosport (2,500).

Two strategic development areas (SDAs) - new self-contained communities built on undeveloped greenfield land - will also be created north-east of Hedge End (6,000 homes) and north of Fareham (10,000).

The local target is part of an overall strategy to build 128,300 new homes in Hampshire and 640,000 across the south-east.

Cllr Kendal said: "To support the economic growth we knowwe need quite a lot of changed transport infrastructure. We have looked at where the current transport difficulties lie and how we might resolve them.

"At today's prices we think that is probably going to cost about £2.6 billion and of that probably about £400,000 will come from private money such as the extension of the airport and extension of the railway network.

"We are doing a fair bit of thinking at our end, but nowwe need the Government to put their money where their mouth is."


South Hampshire's transport wish-list



Improvements to the M3, M27 and M271 (£1 billion):

  • Motorway junctions and widenings to increase capacity (£412m).
  • Active Traffic Management, including hard shoulder running and variable speed limits (£251m).
  • Extending the M271 to the docks.

    Eastern access to Southampton (£183m):
  • Bus and high occupancy vehicle priority lane from Windhover to the centre of Southampton along the A3024 (£9m).
  • Bus priority on the approaches to and across Junction 7 of the M27 (£25m).
  • Botley bypass to protect the village from extra traffic (£27m).

    Access to Portsmouth, Fareham and Gosport (£344m):
  • A tram/bus hybrid - known as Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) - along a disused rail line from Gosport to Fareham and all the way round the harbour into Portsmouth (£175m).
  • Supported by an area-wide premium bus network (£36m).

    Access to the South Hampshire Strategic Employment Zone at Eastleigh (£298m):
  • A new link road (Chickenhall Lane) to the employment zone from Junction 5 of the M27 (£73m).
  • Significant improvements to the Eastleigh rail chord by adding a second track to Easteligh to Fareham line (£160m).
  • Improvements to Southampton Airport Parkway station (£50m).

    Strategic Traffic Management (£70m):
  • South Hampshire Traffic Control Centre (£10m).
  • Other traffic management and information systems (£50m).

    Other packages (£473m):
  • Access to North Whiteley (£40m).
  • Solent waterbus (£15m).
  • Rail access to Southampton waterfront (£10m).
  • Western access to Gosport (£100m).
  • Reopening of waterside rail line (£30m).

    Park-and-ride:
  • Three park and ride sites, holding up to 1,000 cars each, have been identified at Nursling, Stoneham and Windhover.
  • Two park-and- ride sites in Portsmouth at Tipner and Farlington have been identified.


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victor meldrew, Southampton says...
11:32am Thu 10 Apr 08

How many people do they think work in Southampton and live in Portsmouth (or vis versa?) Stopping off points in Hamble or Lee? You have to wonder if they have a clue! Most of the traffic on M27 is going 2/3 exits, ie people going from Fareham to Portsmouth or Park Gate to Fareham - just how would this help? What we desperately need is a properly thought out fully integrated public transport system, not bizarre ideas conjured up in isolation.

gorf, soton says...
11:39am Thu 10 Apr 08

would be good....but its probably going to be another one of those monorail things.....never happen!

hulla, baloo says...
11:43am Thu 10 Apr 08

"Red Funnel trialled the route in 2003,with a trip from Southampton to Gosport lasting 35 minutes and a return ticket costing £10 per adult and £5 per child."


Theres the reason it did not work. A return trip for a family of 2 adults and 2 children is 30-00.
Add on travel to and from the ferry makes an expensive round trip.

resident, says...
11:52am Thu 10 Apr 08

Another massive waste of our money. How about making buses free instead? Idiots.

Nick, Woolston says...
11:52am Thu 10 Apr 08

I suggested this when Vospers moved from Woolston to Porchester.
Good to see the council are as quick to act as ever!

Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away says...
12:33pm Thu 10 Apr 08

What a joke.

Andy, Locks Heath says...
12:38pm Thu 10 Apr 08

I think Victor's point is probably correct There are though a lot of other good things in the list that have been overlooked in favour of headlining the Waterbus idea, which is probably the least important and most dubious in transport terms so it's a pity it grabs the headlines.
It would be nice to avoid being cynical or sceptical but transport watchers will recognise most of these schemes as being nothing new - eg The Gosport Supertram has already had millions wasted on 10 year of "Consultancy" and "review" (New Labour speak for obfuscation, muddle, prevarication, cowardice and delay). And nothing has changed. Same with Waterside rail, same with Southampton Harbour. The Government throws our taxes away on other dubious ventures like Northern Rock and there is none left for our own infrastructure improvements (especially in the South!). The Department of Transport and its inept incumbent Minister Ruth Kelly will do nothing about any of these schemes except maybe recommission more reviews and business cases to add to those already gathering dust. I guarantee the only items on this list that will see the light of day will be motorway lane widening and the odd link road. The rest as Cllr Kendall probably knows, will not happen!

Driver, Stuck at J3 on M27 says...
12:48pm Thu 10 Apr 08

There is also support for widening the M3 and M27 into four-lane super-highways. Under the scheme, the hard shoulder would become a fourth lane to help ease crippling
bottlenecks


Have they been told about some work or other thats happening on the M27 ?
Just what drugs are these people on ?

Steve, says...
12:59pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Driver wrote:
There is also support for widening the M3 and M27 into four-lane super-highways. Under the scheme, the hard shoulder would become a fourth lane to help ease crippling bottlenecks Have they been told about some work or other thats happening on the M27 ? Just what drugs are these people on ?
That's as well as what's going on now.

King Mush, Woolston says...
1:35pm Thu 10 Apr 08

"Red Funnel trialled the route in 2003,with a trip from Southampton to Gosport lasting 35 minutes and a return ticket costing £10 per adult and £5 per child."

They'd have to pay me a lot more than £10 to visit Pompey!

local, says...
1:53pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Hmm, how many people live in Ocean Village and commute to Gunwharf Quays, or vice versa? They'll spend money on a mad-brain idea like this, whilst the Gosport Ferry was allowed to hang in the balance due to a lack of funds, and whilst transport links elsewhere are becoming shockingly poor. Barely any improvements have been made in transportation infrastructure in the past 20 years or so, as projects are continually postponed, cancelled or watered down.

Denzil, Chilworth says...
2:56pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Why would anyone from Southampton want to go to Pompey anyway? The place is an absolute dump.

sailor sam, says...
2:57pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Denzil wrote:
Why would anyone from Southampton want to go to Pompey anyway? The place is an absolute dump.
Missionary work, and for a sense of moral and genetic superiority.

Denzil's Mum, says...
2:58pm Thu 10 Apr 08

They should freeze the solent, then we would get an Ice Rink.


toxteth o'grady, says...
4:47pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Answer is simple....stop building the thousands of houses & hundreds of industrial units when it's obvious the infrastructure can not cope. Build the roads, put on ferries first, then build the homes etc...simple uhh ?

King Mush, Woolston says...
5:47pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Denzil wrote:
Why would anyone from Southampton want to go to Pompey anyway? The place is an absolute dump.
I'd rather go to Pompey than Romsey!!!

local, says...
6:26pm Thu 10 Apr 08

£251m is a ridiculous amount of money for motorway active traffic management and variable speed limits. Instead of spending £251m on that the Botley Bypass, Whiteley northern access and Gosport western access should get the funding, and the total cost of these new roads rather than tinkerings with the existing motorway would be cheaper and yield more benefits, also yielding benefits at all times of day rather than just during the rush hour.

Barry Beetroot, I'm a Beetroot! says...
8:12pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Great idea!

It'd be especially useful when something like the boatshow is on.

However, it'd probably be better if the boat stopped in Portsmouth (Gunwharf, perhaps) rather than Gosport as it'd attact more shoppers.

Penelope Pitstop, says...
8:52pm Thu 10 Apr 08

This article is not only misleading, it's completely untrue. There is no waterbus included in this scheme. It isn't mentioned once in the 55-page Transport for South Hampshire report. Good job we have the internet so we can check these facts for ourselves. Please explain, Mr Law.

dick dastardly, commutersville says...
9:58pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Hmm, is pp right? Is the Echo telling us the truth here?
Apart from that, I can't really see it as feasible - who's going to pay a tenner a day for a slow ride around the Solent that will probably remain a minority interest at best.

Adrian Smith, says...
10:09pm Thu 10 Apr 08

Penelope Pitstop wrote:
This article is not only misleading, it's completely untrue. There is no waterbus included in this scheme. It isn't mentioned once in the 55-page Transport for South Hampshire report. Good job we have the internet so we can check these facts for ourselves. Please explain, Mr Law.
Well seeing as there are direct quotes from the leader of the committee (Cllr Mel Kendal) about the waterbus scheme, I think we can safely say it has, at the very least, been proposed.

Sounds to me like "Penelope" has an ulterior motive. As a rule of thumb, don't trust know it alls who are too scared to use their own names...

Mark Mywords, Southampton says...
12:41am Fri 11 Apr 08

I would use it to go shopping at gunwharf! Summer sunshine... sea breaze... sounds like a good idea! i would be prepared to pay £7/£8 return.

tony, says...
9:21am Fri 11 Apr 08

Bus and high occupancy vehicle priority lane from Windhover to the centre of Southampton along the A3024 (£9m).

so we have a lane for mums and toddlers and the occasional bus and a queue from windover to the city centre...

Mick, Soton says...
9:21am Fri 11 Apr 08

Well it looks like the echo scooped the pompey news! http://www.portsmout
h.co.uk/news/Waterbu
s-could-be-at-heart.
3972256.jp

Barry Mung, New Forest. says...
7:59pm Sat 12 Apr 08

The time is right to introduce a PROPER water taxi service, like they do in other countries (eg Hong Kong.)

HIGH SPEED pedestrian ferries serving Southampton, Gosport, Cowes, Hythe and even Chichester.

Running every 20 to 30 minutes and costing around £5 to £10 for a "Hop on, Hop off" ticket valid all day.

If it was organised PROPERLY, this would be a POLULAR and MONEY MAKING project. It'd also please the eco lobby.

Come on Soton Council! Start talking to your neighbouring Councils and make this a REALITY!

William Barrett, Gosport says...
3:19pm Mon 5 May 08

A waterbus from Portsmouth to Southampton would never work because the two places are miles apart in culture. The cost would always be too high. Narrow your sites and think of a waterbus between gosport and various parts of Pompey / Southsea. What we desperately need is a water ambulance from Gosport to Cosham or the nearest link to that white elephant on the hill called QA. use the waterways, it's there to be used.

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